National Hurling League 2019 Discussion

PTH2009 · 03-03-2019 12:34am

If 2 teams end up on the same points after 2morrows game then H2H will count towards final placing

Score difference will decide placings if 3 or more teams end up on the same points

So many different scenarios can happen in 1A with it wide open. Limerick are deff through too the QFs. Any of the other 5 can make the Quarters

1B- A win for Dublin with a Galway loss/draw will give them top spot as they have the h2h over Wateford. A Galway win vs Waterford will give them top spot no matter what Dublins result is. For Wateford too get top spot (Laois beat/draw with Dublin coupled with a Waterford win over Galway) seens unlikely. A carlow win would be enough too get them 4th spot but a Laois victory /draw would give Laois the 4th spot. Offaly can't go through

2019 QFs
1st 1A vs 4th 1B
2nd 1A vs 3rd 1B
3rd 1A vs 2nd 1B
4th 1A vs 1st 1B

The team who had the less home games in the group stage will get home advantage. Coin toss for home advantage if both teams had he same amount of home games

1A- 5th vs 6th in a no point relegation game
1B- 5th vs Offaly with the losers being relagated too 2A for 2020

2020 divison 1 league groups

Group A
1st placed team in 1A 2019
4th placed team in 1A 2019
Winner of 1A 5th/6th playoff 2019
2nd placed team in 1B 2019
3rd placed team in 1B 2019
div 2A winner

Group B
2nd placed team in 1A 2019
3rd placed team in 1A 2019
Loser of the 1A 5th/6th playoff 2019.
1st placed team in 1B 2019
4th placed team in 1B 2019
Winner of the 1B relegation playoff 2019 (5th vs 6th)

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-03-2019 3:52pm

That's a great win for Wicklow up in Derry. Be hard to repeat it again next week but much better campaign that I thought would have happened with the change in management.

PTH2009 · 03-03-2019 4:56pm

The gods of weather acting the prick again and postponing a load of important 1A and 1B games today
1A- Wexford vs Kilkenny and Cork vs Tipp were postponed
1B- Waterford vs Galway
prob be played next weekend 9th/10th March

more than likely meaning everything will be pushed back a week now with the QFs now being the weekend of 16th/17th March with the semis being on 23th/24th March with final being 30th/31st March. Clashing with the football final

Clare vs Limerick in 1A finished a draw meaning Limerick Top 1A and will face Laois in the QFs with Clare not knowing there fate til the other games are played. Carlow vs Offaly in the 1B relagation playoff

Dublin beat Laois 0-13-0-11 in 1B but wont knw there finishing spot til the Waterford vs Galway game is played but knw Waterford cant top the divison as they have the h2h. Galway will go top if they beat Waterford putting Dublin in 2nd and Waterford 3rd

2020 Divison 1
Group A
1 Limerick
2 4th 1A 2019
3 Winner of the 1A Relagation playoff
4 Dublin/Galway or Waterford
5 Dublin/Galway or Waterford
6 Westmeath or Kerry

Group B
1 2nd 1A 2019
2 3rd 1A 2019
3 Loser of the 1A Relagation playoff
4 Dublin or Galway
5 Laois
6 Offaly or Carlow

Bonniedog · 03-03-2019 5:07pm

Good win by Offaly. Means they play Carlow again in the play off with the boost of that behind them.

Pity the other games were postponed as league will finish in a bit of a mess with final on first weekend in April.

PTH2009 · 03-03-2019 5:12pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Good win by Offaly. Means they play Carlow again in the play off with the boost of that behind them.

Pity the other games were postponed as league will finish in a bit of a mess with final on first weekend in April.

Sat 30th March- Football Div 3 and Div 4 finals
Sun 31st March- Football Div 2 and Div 1 Finals

they could actually play the hurling final on Sat 30th March as not many other than supporters of the Div 3/4 finalists will care really about the games. They could easily fix it for TV by putting some online etc

imagine if the hurling final got moved too Croke Park for the 31st March making it a triple header and a full house (div 2 Football on 12pm, Hurling 2pm and football 4pm)

RMAOK · 03-03-2019 5:17pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sat 30th March- Football Div 3 and Div 4 finals
Sun 31st March- Football Div 2 and Div 1 Finals

they could actually play the hurling final on Sat 30th March as not many other than supporters of the Div 3/4 finalists will care really about the games. They could easily fix it for TV by putting some online etc

imagine if the hurling final got moved too Croke Park for the 31st March making it a triple header and a full house (div 2 Football on 12pm, Hurling 2pm and football 4pm)

Couldn't see the hurling and football league finals on the one day at croke Park (especially if the dubs are in the football) as it would affect attendance imo.

More likely that the hurling final will be in thurles

zetecescort · 03-03-2019 5:25pm

not sure about this year but the camogie league final has been played before the hurling in recent years too

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-03-2019 5:26pm

zetecescort wrote: »

not sure about this year but the camogie league final has been played before the hurling in recent years too

And could you imagine if they turned around and didn't then? There'd be a meltdown.

arctictree · 03-03-2019 7:56pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

The gods of weather acting the prick again and postponing a load of important 1A and 1B games today
1A- Wexford vs Kilkenny and Cork vs Tipp were postponed
1B- Waterford vs Galway
prob be played next weekend 9th/10th March

more than likely meaning everything will be pushed back a week now with the QFs now being the weekend of 16th/17th March with the semis being on 23th/24th March with final being 30th/31st March. Clashing with the football final

Clare vs Limerick in 1A finished a draw meaning Limerick Top 1A and will face Laois in the QFs with Clare not knowing there fate til the other games are played. Carlow vs Offaly in the 1B relagation playoff

Dublin beat Laois 0-13-0-11 in 1B but wont knw there finishing spot til the Waterford vs Galway game is played but knw Waterford cant top the divison as they have the h2h. Galway will go top if they beat Waterford putting Dublin in 2nd and Waterford 3rd

2020 Divison 1
Group A
1 Limerick
2 4th 1A 2019
3 Winner of the 1A Relagation playoff
4 Dublin/Galway or Waterford
5 Dublin/Galway or Waterford
6 Westmeath or Kerry

Group B
1 2nd 1A 2019
2 3rd 1A 2019
3 Loser of the 1A Relagation playoff
4 Dublin or Galway
5 Laois
6 Offaly or Carlow

Anyone know if the restructure also applies to division 2?

jr86 · 05-03-2019 10:13am

Judging by early indications matches could be in serious bother for the weekend again with lots of rain promised

Club games in April could well be in jeopardy for some counties, if that were the case. Which would be a disaster in some counties

Expecting the league to run smoothly from january to the 31st of March is wishful thinking of the highest order, given the time of year

I know the system is changing but playing Quarter Finals and drawing it out as much as possible is absolutely daft

Bonniedog · 05-03-2019 12:25pm

In fairness, how many counties actually used April for club games last year?

My recollection is that the counties still involved in latter stages of the hurling and football leagues were among those who did!

Which is perhaps a clue to why certain others are languishing behind at both club and county.

Just a thought !

Mehapoy · 06-03-2019 11:41pm

jr86 wrote: »

Judging by early indications matches could be in serious bother for the weekend again with lots of rain promised

Club games in April could well be in jeopardy for some counties, if that were the case. Which would be a disaster in some counties

Expecting the league to run smoothly from january to the 31st of March is wishful thinking of the highest order, given the time of year

I know the system is changing but playing Quarter Finals and drawing it out as much as possible is absolutely daft

I think they may need to bite the bullet and play a couple of matches in october/november when the weather is often quite good, then start again in feb, leave Jan as a free month except for fitzgibbon and drop the quarter finals

jr86 · 07-03-2019 10:03am

Mehapoy wrote: »

I think they may need to bite the bullet and play a couple of matches in october/november when the weather is often quite good, then start again in feb, leave Jan as a free month except for fitzgibbon and drop the quarter finals

They used to play league in October/November up until around 2001/2002 I think. It used to be only a few weeks after the All Ireland Final

I suppose its not possible anymore with club unfortunately.

You're right though, and pitches are often in complete sh1te January, February and March. From talking to several club players, plenty of clubs only had their first outdoor run-out in the first round of the league last weekend. They had to train indoors until that as the pitches were in no state. This is an annual occurrence now.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 09-03-2019 8:07pm

Looks like it will be a long night for Laois, total hurling from Limerick so far. The goal was sublime!

RMAOK · 09-03-2019 8:10pm

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Looks like it will be a long night for Laois, total hurling from Limerick so far. The goal was sublime!

It's shaping up to be a bit of a turkey shoot tbh.

If limerick keep this up, they'll win by 20 points.

Laois can't afford to have the wides they are having atm

tipp_tipp_tipp · 09-03-2019 8:24pm

They've settled into it better now. Working the ball nicely at times. Endless wides costing them as you mentioned.

conor05 · 09-03-2019 8:26pm

Laois have some good hurlers and if they converted a few more chances they would be a lot closer to Limerick.

You can see Eddie Brennan has them trying to find a man with a hand pass on the overlap instead of hitting the ball for the sake of clearing it.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 09-03-2019 9:34pm

Think it's fair to say Laois were robbed by the ref!

Bonniedog · 09-03-2019 9:39pm

I'd imagine TG4 were kicking themselves that the quarter final they got was this one.

Laois are a dogged enough team with some handy hurlers and well enough organised, but light years away from the likes of Limerick who missed an horrendous amount of scoreable chances and didn't hardly bother with looking for goals.

Hopefully, next weekend's games are better.

Mantis Toboggan · 09-03-2019 11:26pm

Laois still need lots of improving and more underage development before they can dine at the top table.

C__MC · 09-03-2019 11:40pm

I doubt we will see any of the lesser rank teams dine with the big boys any time soon. You’ll see moral victories of some sort but never a consistent level of challenging. Carlow are in for a rough ride in Leinster come summer time

PTH2009 · 09-03-2019 11:42pm

C__MC wrote: »

I doubt we will see any of the lesser rank teams dine with the big boys any time soon. You’ll see moral victories of some sort but never a consistent level of challenging. Carlow are in for a rough ride in Leinster come summer time

The Carlow draw against Galway last month was a freak tbh and god help them when they play in Leinster

Mantis Toboggan · 09-03-2019 11:58pm

If we could combine laois and Carlow they'd be very competitive in the leinster championship.

RMAOK · 10-03-2019 12:47am

With the weather warning for tonight and into tomorrow, is there a chance that some of these matches will be cancelled against?

Realt Dearg Sec · 10-03-2019 1:13am

RMAOK wrote: »

With the weather warning for tonight and into tomorrow, is there a chance that some of these matches will be cancelled against?

If at all possible, they'll try to make sure everyone is already sitting in the stadium after giving up their whole day to be there before making any decisions on that front.

TCM · 10-03-2019 1:14am

Mantis Toboggan wrote:

Laois still need lots of improving and more underage development before they can dine at the top table.

Laois are concentrating on the football this year. They'll dethrone the Dubs in Leinster.

conor05 · 10-03-2019 10:41am

Kerry GAA is in a very healthy position.

Footballers very strong at Minor and coming good at senior again (may not win All Ireland this year but in next 3 years for sure). Have won all their games in Division 1 so far.

The hurlers are making great strides for a team that picks from 8 small hurling villages in North Kerry.
Division 2 final today v Westmeath and winners plays division 1 hurling in 2020.

Lack of hurling clubs will always hold Kerry back but when you see how other so called ‘football counties’ like Louth, Longford, Fermanagh etc (with absolutely no chance of ever winning much in football) treat the game of hurling with such disrespect, Kerry are a credit to themselves.

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-03-2019 10:44am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

If we could combine laois and Carlow they'd be very competitive in the leinster championship.

Nobody from Laois or Carlow should want to support that abomination though.

Mantis Toboggan · 10-03-2019 11:17am

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Nobody from Laois or Carlow should want to support that abomination though.

Absolutely true, but the hammering will continue.

Perifect · 10-03-2019 11:47am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Absolutely true, but the hammering will continue.

Didn't Dublin use to get hammerings in hurling? Did they combine with other counties or what happened there? They don't seem to be getting hammerings anymore anyway.

Mantis Toboggan · 10-03-2019 12:08pm

Perifect wrote: »

Didn't Dublin use to get hammerings in hurling? Did they combine with other counties or what happened there? They don't seem to be getting hammerings anymore anyway.

No they invested in their underage structure and got very competitive in schools and underage hurling. Dublin won leinster minor titles in 05-07-11-12-16-18 and were beaten finalists in 04-10-14-15-17.

In that time frame of 15 years Laois and Carlow have only appeared once as beaten finalists in 06 Carlow were beaten by 26 points in the final and Laois beaten by 13 in 2013.

Obviously the underage setup there isn't working, and both have a lot of work to do if they want to dine at the top table. Offaly the same, their fans are deluding themselves if they expect them to be be able to compete with the galways and kilkennys despite neglect of underage hurling in the county.

Perifect · 10-03-2019 12:16pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

No they invested in their underage structure and got very competitive in schools and underage hurling. Dublin won leinster minor titles in 05-07-11-12-16-18 and were beaten finalists in 04-10-14-15-17.

In that time frame of 15 years Laois and Carlow have only appeared once as beaten finalists in 06 Carlow were beaten by 26 points in the final and Laois beaten by 13 in 2013.

Obviously the underage setup there isn't working, and both have a lot of work to do if they want to dine at the top table. Offaly the same, their fans are deluding themselves if they expect them to be be able to compete with the galways and kilkennys despite neglect of underage hurling in the county.

Ah!!! That's what happened! How much did they invest? Do you think that would be a better option for Offaly, Carlow and Laois instead of combining?

Mantis Toboggan · 10-03-2019 12:42pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

If at all possible, they'll try to make sure everyone is already sitting in the stadium after giving up their whole day to be there before making any decisions on that front.

https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1104700440032280577?s=19

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-03-2019 4:43pm

Do the 2A and 2B winners go straight up or do they have a playoff for fear of a bigger team going down?

An Ciarraioch · 10-03-2019 4:47pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Do the 2A and 2B winners go straight up or do they have a playoff for fear of a bigger team going down?

Straight up, so Westmeath replace Offaly, and Wicklow likewise with Mayo.

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-03-2019 4:49pm

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Straight up, so Westmeath replace Offaly, and Wicklow likewise with Mayo.

I never thought I'd see us playing Offaly in the NHL.

Bonniedog · 10-03-2019 4:50pm

Straight promotion and relegation. Carlow came back from something like 8/9 points to beat Offaly so latter are relegated. Wind must have been huge factor in all the midlands games judging by the turnaround.

Good news for us Dubs is we win 1B.

Fkn bad news is we play Tipp next week in Thurles!

Noooooo. must be the worst ground and opposition for us anywhere, ever.

Mushy · 10-03-2019 4:57pm

Wicklow get a national title...not often that happens. Fair play to them

PTH2009 · 10-03-2019 5:00pm

Wexford v Galway (Galway venue)
Calre v Waterford (Toss for venue)
Tipperary v Dublin (Tipperary venue)

Semi-final line up

Limerick v Tipp/Dublin
Wexford/Galway v Clare/ Waterford

Mantis Toboggan · 10-03-2019 5:01pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Fkn bad news is we play Tipp next week in Thurles!

Noooooo. must be the worst ground and opposition for us anywhere, ever.

We'd happily play ye in croker!

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-03-2019 5:02pm

Mushy wrote: »

Wicklow get a national title...not often that happens. Fair play to them

Great going. Would never have thought they'd have got near Derry or Kildare in that division, let alone beat both to win it. 2A will be some eye opener but will just enjoy this for now.

Mantis Toboggan · 10-03-2019 5:05pm

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Straight up, so Westmeath replace Offaly, and Wicklow likewise with Mayo.

Mayo beat London today so mayo survive and London are relegated.

RMAOK · 10-03-2019 5:06pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wexford v Galway (Galway venue)
Calre v Waterford (Toss for venue)
Tipperary v Dublin (Tipperary venue)

Semi-final line up

Limerick v Tipp/Dublin
Wexford/Galway v Clare/ Waterford

Are the semi finals at neutral venues of is it the first team draw out for the pairings that gets home venue?

Bonniedog · 10-03-2019 5:07pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

We'd happily play ye in croker!

I propose Parnell as a neutral venue

Bonniedog · 10-03-2019 5:08pm

RMAOK wrote: »

Are the semi finals at neutral venues of is it the first team draw out for the pairings that gets home venue?

Semis are double header in Thurles afaik.

Purple Mountain · 10-03-2019 5:10pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Semis are double header in Thurles afaik.

Date yet?

RMAOK · 10-03-2019 5:12pm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Date yet?

Would it be a fortnight today?

Or else the day before on the Saturday under lights, I'd guess.

PTH2009 · 10-03-2019 5:35pm

All the rest of the QFs will be Sat 16th I'd say. Ireland play Wales in the rugby at 14.45 that day which could affect attendances. I hope too god they don't decide the 'coin toss' for double headers if possible as Clare have a home NFL game. Waterford too Clare a horrible journey

Dick phelan · 10-03-2019 6:47pm

Seems a bit unfair that Waterford top Galway in the table and yet it's a toss for venue, Galway get home advantage vs Wexford which is a hell of a lot easier than possibly going to Clare and trying to win.

Collie D · 10-03-2019 7:15pm

Dick phelan wrote: »

Seems a bit unfair that Waterford top Galway in the table and yet it's a toss for venue, Galway get home advantage vs Wexford which is a hell of a lot easier than possibly going to Clare and trying to win.

It’s decided by who has already had three home games

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