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Some Zoe questions

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  • #152
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    heres a thing - with the zoe battery rental , sure they say under 80% (or is it 70%?) they will replace dead cells or fit a refurbished battery or in extreme case replace with new battery ... but fine that's the part/battery taken care of .. but what about 'fitting/installation/labour' charge? - I have not seen any mention of that .. and that is more than likely a very extensive job replacing a battery on an EV .. I bet they really have to strip it all down ... sounds expensive $$$$$


    Our hotpoint washing machine - 5 years warranty on parts when we bought it new. Read the reviews on how much the labour costs are if the part goes, fine the parts are under warranty but the labour/fitting is not.

    Read a review once - bloke paid 349eur for hotpoint washing machine the drum or the control board went within 3 years ... parts were quoted as free ... the labour was going to come to 280eur for washing machine repair man to call out and fit the parts .. they just went out and bought another washing machine (better than their present one) for 250euro

    Maybe it is expensive Andy, but the thing is no one knows because, as its been repeatedly said, it doesnt happen. The batteries dont die.

    There are 2011 Leaf's that have not gone below the warranty point and the warranty is long since gone.

    There are some companies who will refurbish the battery for you for <€2k but they are in the UK.

    Nissan offer a refurbushed battery for, I think, about €4k all in. They announced that pricing about 6 months ago.
    EDIT: Its $3k (thats dollars) and in Japan initially. Not sure what their rollout plans are but the price for refurbishing is dropping considerably.
    https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116042_nissan-leaf-refurbished-batteries-offered-for-older-electric-cars-in-japan


    You're over-thinking everything and it sounds like you havent even driven one yet. Get a test drive please it will answer alot of the questions you are posing.

    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    I just watched a youtube video the other day where a guy test drove a Renault Zoe for 7 days and as it was charging up (think by granny cable) he had to unlock the doors and open the drivers door to see on the dashboard at the steering wheel to light up the display to see how much the battery had charged to.

    Really?? - do you have to go through this palarvour to see at what stage the battery is charged to? - can you not just press a button on the remote and peer through the drivers window at the dash to see how much the battery has charged to? - or see it on a phone app?

    in fact he unlocked the car and opened the drivers door once and the battery display didnt show on the dash, so he had to close the drivers door again , then lock it, then unllock it and open the drivers door again and then it came up on the display.

    Cant speak for the Zoe but every other EV I've seen has 3 lights on the dash that are visible from the front of the car (i.e. where you plug it in) that shows what % the battery is at... <33%, 34-66%, 67%+. They are on all the time while the car is charging so no need to start the car or hop into it.


  • #153
    ethernet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭ethernet


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    I just watched a youtube video the other day where a guy test drove a Renault Zoe for 7 days and as it was charging up (think by granny cable) he had to unlock the doors and open the drivers door to see on the dashboard at the steering wheel to light up the display to see how much the battery had charged to.

    Really?? - do you have to go through this palarvour to see at what stage the battery is charged to? - can you not just press a button on the remote and peer through the drivers window at the dash to see how much the battery has charged to? - or see it on a phone app?

    in fact he unlocked the car and opened the drivers door once and the battery display didnt show on the dash, so he had to close the drivers door again , then lock it, then unllock it and open the drivers door again and then it came up on the display.

    I haven't found it to be an issue day-to-day:
    1. Most EV users charge at night while asleep - so you don't need to check its progress - it's just ready to go in the morning
    2. If you are rapid charging, the etiquette is to stay in the car or get back to it quickly after popping into the shop and doing whatever you need to do. Again, don't really need to check the percentage while away from the car as you should, in theory, be sitting it in while you get enough juice to keep going to your next stop or final destination.
    3. In many cases, there is an app for your phone so you can check it if you must


  • #154
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    kceire wrote: »
    Andy, it sounds like you don’t want an EV.
    That’s fine. Move on.

    Some of your posts, with all due respect are rubbish. They are factually incorrect and are more along the lines of hearsay or pub talk.
    I get the loads of questions


    I have high functioning aspergers and as such I like to analyze the fck out of everything before making the decision, I researched for 2 years before buying my first EV.


    With Andy however it seems like he is borderline taking the proverbial as every question is met with a negative response. Like you say, pub talk.


  • #155
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    kceire wrote: »
    Andy, it sounds like you don’t want an EV.
    That’s fine. Move on.

    Some of your posts, with all due respect are rubbish. They are factually incorrect and are more along the lines of hearsay or pub talk.

    With all respect not at all would these things put me off . To me they are niggly things that you could get with an ICE car as well .

    Am I causing any harm to anyone discussing or looking for advice on what I have heard or seen and looking for further information from an owner or someone who extensively deals in EVs on a regular basis. ?

    Boards whole idea revolves along the lines of discussion does it not. If people stopped discussing stuff on boards would it not shut down?


  • #156
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I get the loads of questions


    I have high functioning aspergers and as such I like to analyze the fck out of everything before making the decision, I researched for 2 years before buying my first EV.


    With Andy however it seems like he is borderline taking the proverbial as every question is met with a negative response. Like you say, pub talk.

    I'm the same as you in the respect of analysing things over and over again until it becomes an obsession.

    However you have been diagnosed with high functioning aspers (as my son has been diagnosed with) and I haven't been (diagnosed that is) but I could have traits of it (as people have said to me before I am osessed with a lot of stuff and issues) so maybe I have , but I haven't took it further or got it checked out . But I do think some people on here / on boards in general could be a little more understanding and less stressed out and annoyed that I seem to ask a lot of questions


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  • #157
    KCross
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    I'm the same as you in the respect of analysing things over and over again until it becomes an obsession.

    However you have been diagnosed with high functioning aspers (as my son has been diagnosed with) and I haven't been (diagnosed that is) but I could have traits of it (as people have said to me before I am osessed with a lot of stuff and issues) so maybe I have , but I haven't took it further or got it checked out . But I do think some people on here / on boards in general could be a little more understanding and less stressed out and annoyed that I seem to ask a lot of questions

    I dont follow you around boards Andy but I have had the joy of being on the FTTH thread with you and you have pi**ed alot of people off on that thread.... you are currently having the exact same "argument" with people on that thread and that has been repeated a few times over the last 6 months that I was on the thread (thankfully I have now unsubscribed as I have FTTH)....
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109289320&postcount=7003


    You are starting to do similar here. The common denominator is you not everyone else.


    I think most of us welcome questions, it is, as you said, what boards is for and we all had questions before we bought our first EV's but you need to do some more research and not just post every thought that comes into your head.

    Do a search on the forum before you post as well as nearly all of your questions have been asked and answered already.... and finally... please go for a test drive.

    Then come back with your questions.

    Or alternatively, carry on as you are if you think its other peoples lack of understanding is the issue. Anyone can use the boards block function if they dont want to "listen" to you.


  • #158
    Markcheese
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Would you rent a battery for your phone?

    Yup.. If my 4 or 5 grand phone was gonna be useless without it...

    I'm sure I've seen a leaf on done deal with really poor range, if it got below your normal daily use, it'd be as good as useless...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #159
    KCross
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    I can still see the worth of a battery rental leaf...you pay 5 or 6 grand for a battery rental zoe, and you don't have to worry about the battery degrading below a certain level...
    I've had a 6 grand vehicle (was worth more than that to me) that just died, and was told by 3 different mechanics, scrap it... It cost me to get the thing towed,
    If I had to pay 50 / 60 quid a month (what I pay a week for diesel) to ensure my cheapo vehicle stays alive, that sounds like a good deal...

    The thing is, thats not what the battery rental is. The battery doesnt die like an engine does. It slowly degrades. The battery rental ensures that when it goes below 70% they will bring it above 70%. They wont give you a new battery.

    You will be paying thousands for something that might never be called upon and if it did you can get it fixed anyway just that by paying battery rental you are gifting the rental company the money if the battery stays above 70% (which is more likely than not). Why do that?


    Not to mention that resale will be extremely difficult and the perceived savings/insurance you are getting is likely to be eroded by your ability to sell it on.


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    I have never read of a Zoe or Leaf battery dieing

    Degrading a bit, yes

    Your covering a risk that is 99.9% not going to happen

    I dont agree with you much but thats exactly it. It made some sense in the early days when the batteries were entirely an unknown quantity. 9 years on and several chemistry improvements later more is known. The battery rental doesnt make sense anymore and that is why it has been discontinued by Nissan.


  • #160
    KCross
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    Yup.. If my 4 or 5 grand phone was gonna be useless without it...

    I'm sure I've seen a leaf on done deal with really poor range, if it got below your normal daily use, it'd be as good as useless...

    Sell it on to someone who it is suitable to. Try selling the same car with battery rental and then you'll understand worthless.

    Cars dont last forever either so it will come to a point where it will be useless and needs to be scrapped. Battery rental doesnt solve that. It just gives more money to the lease company.


  • #161
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Yup.. If my 4 or 5 grand phone was gonna be useless without it...

    I'm sure I've seen a leaf on done deal with really poor range, if it got below your normal daily use, it'd be as good as useless...

    The thing is, once an EV battery gets to that stage, it will still have a particular kWh capacity. Cars need a lot of energy to move, so an EV with a 5kwh battery is worthless, but that 5kwh battery can be removed and reused in housing battery storage using night meter feeding or solar PV.

    5kwh in a house goes a long way.


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  • #162
    Markcheese
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    I can see that it's insurance (or more like assurance, since the battery will degrade slowly, eventually)..
    I wouldn't bother with battery lease on a new or nearly new vehicle..(so I can see why Nissan ditched it)
    But on an 8 to 10 year old one, that I can get cheaply (maybe) that will be guaranteed to be kept at minimum 75% to 80%,(as long as that suited)
    , would save me money, and get me into an ev,
    That I probably couldnt otherwise afford, yeah I'd go that,
    Obviously it's horses for courses..
    (and at the moment I haven't even got 5 or 6 grand for a Zoe..)

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #163
    BENDYBINN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Markcheese wrote: »
    I can see that it's insurance (or more like assurance, since the battery will degrade slowly, eventually)..
    I wouldn't bother with battery lease on a new or nearly new vehicle..(so I can see why Nissan ditched it)
    But on an 8 to 10 year old one, that I can get cheaply (maybe) that will be guaranteed to be kept at minimum 75% to 80%,(as long as that suited)
    , would save me money, and get me into an ev,
    That I probably couldnt otherwise afford, yeah I'd go that,
    Obviously it's horses for courses..
    (and at the moment I haven't even got 5 or 6 grand for a Zoe..)

    Absolutely agree, A ten yr old Zoe would easily be worth a couple of grand...
    Even including the battery rental it would be very cheap motering for the next five or six yrs.

    A leaf on the other hand would struggle to get you home from mass


  • #164
    [Deleted User]
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    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Absolutely agree, A ten yr old Zoe would easily be worth a couple of grand...
    Even including the battery rental it would be very cheap motering for the next five or six yrs.

    A leaf on the other hand would struggle to get you home from mass

    Depending on how far the Church is lol.

    I think we should wait the 10 years before we judge the leaf battery.

    It would be nice to see some leafspy stats.


  • #165
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Depending on how far the Church is lol.

    I think we should wait the 10 years before we judge the leaf battery.

    It would be nice to see some leafspy stats.

    I careful owner, a nun, who only used it to drive to mass, on Sundays... (But not back cos no charge point in the church car park)...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #166
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    ...Absolutely agree, A ten yr old Zoe would easily be worth a couple of grand...

    except for a Zoe were'nt out in 2008 :D - or do you mean when 2013 renault reaches 2023 you will pay a couple of grand on one? :)


  • #167
    [Deleted User]
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    I careful owner, a nun, who only used it to drive to mass, on Sundays... (But not back cos no charge point in the church car park)...

    Lol,

    I would bet there's plenty of battery capacity after 10 years for local driving.

    Degradation is not linear and is most severe in the first couple of years.


  • #168
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    ..I think we should wait the 10 years before we judge the leaf battery... .

    True , I wish i could find the article where the Nissan tech said around 10 years a Leaf battery would last at least by which time the vehicle is EOL (which also seems to insinuate to me that the leaf is EOL after 10 years and should be changed for a new vehicle .. so what were they around 25k ? and last 10 years ? hmmm...


    if I find the article again i will re-post .. unless I dreamt reading it, thats possible :)


  • #169
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    kceire wrote: »
    ... but that 5kwh battery can be removed and reused in housing battery storage using night meter feeding or solar PV.

    5kwh in a house goes a long way.

    thats an interesting thought / way of thinking

    Lighting it would be good for.

    but my cooker uses 7kw i think, shower uses 9kw , fan heater uses 2kw and so on


  • #170
    BENDYBINN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    True , I wish i could find the article where the Nissan tech said around 10 years a Leaf battery would last at least by which time the vehicle is EOL (which also seems to insinuate to me that the leaf is EOL after 10 years and should be changed for a new vehicle .. so what were they around 25k ? and last 10 years ? hmmm...


    if I find the article again i will re-post .. unless I dreamt reading it, thats possible :)

    You’ve hit the nail on the head there, Andy


  • #171
    [Deleted User]
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    End of life in the battery industry is 70% capacity, however , at 70% the car is still perfectly usable, it's no longer usable when the range is insufficient for the owner but could still be more than suitable for someone else as 2nd car that does school /shop runs for many years to come and it can still plug into fast chargers for some extra range.


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  • #172
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    True , I wish i could find the article where the Nissan tech said around 10 years a Leaf battery would last at least by which time the vehicle is EOL (which also seems to insinuate to me that the leaf is EOL after 10 years and should be changed for a new vehicle .. so what were they around 25k ? and last 10 years ? hmmm...


    if I find the article again i will re-post .. unless I dreamt reading it, thats possible :)

    2011 leafs are nearly 10 years old. Not long to wait and they are still perfectly useable.
    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    thats an interesting thought / way of thinking

    Lighting it would be good for.

    but my cooker uses 7kw i think, shower uses 9kw , fan heater uses 2kw and so on

    Them figures mean nothing. Unless you are using them all for hours on end. Your mixing up kw and kWh.

    5kwh could get you about 50 mins in an electric shower, 10 hours of constant kettle boiling, 30 hours of watching tv.

    The average Irish household uses about 11.5kwh of electricity per day.


  • #173
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    thats an interesting thought / way of thinking

    Lighting it would be good for.

    but my cooker uses 7kw i think, shower uses 9kw , fan heater uses 2kw and so on


    A 10 minute shower of a shower rated 9kW (which usually actually only draws 6-7kW) will use 7kW*(10/60), or 1.16kWh. You could shower for 4 days of the week out of a 5kWh battery!


  • #174
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Markcheese wrote: »
    ..
    I wouldn't bother with battery lease on a new or nearly new vehicle..(so I can see why Nissan ditched it)

    I believe all new Zoe's and leaf's have been sold without battery rental since 2016 I think thats it

    Markcheese wrote: »

    But on an 8 to 10 year old one, that I can get cheaply (maybe) that will be guaranteed to be kept at minimum 75% to 80%,(as long as that suited)
    , would save me money, and get me into an ev,

    well Leaf's around 2011 are around and i think Zoe 2013 - so 2021 and 2024 respectively they will be 10 years old
    Markcheese wrote: »

    That I probably couldnt otherwise afford, yeah I'd go that,
    Obviously it's horses for courses..
    (and at the moment I haven't even got 5 or 6 grand for a Zoe..)

    a lot of people cant outright. Us personally we would try go for CU loan although there are cheaper APR out there . But warned right off cars with this PCP thing and baloon payment.


  • #175
    [Deleted User]
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    Ditch the 9 Kw shower, if you got central heating which heats water the 9 Kw shower wastes a lot of energy !


  • #176
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    for the plethora of people saying 'why dont you go sit in a Zoe and and test drive one!' well we are away for a few days (weather permitting) and trying to get a test drive near to home where we live came to a full stop because none of the nearby dealers have no Zoe's to test drive (new or otherwise) so we have decided on tuesday or wednesday (thats the wife and i , because the wife will be buying it/using it) we are going to go up to Dublin on de train as they seem to have more of a selection up there and should get to test one and get the feel of it , might even come back with one if we lucky. (hence taking the train just in case :) ) or maybe we will come across a dealer whilst we are away with them on the forecourt


  • #177
    ELM327
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    for the plethora of people saying 'why dont you go sit in a Zoe and and test drive one!' well we are away for a few days (weather permitting) and trying to get a test drive near to home where we live came to a full stop because none of the nearby dealers have no Zoe's to test drive (new or otherwise) so we have decided on tuesday or wednesday (thats the wife and i , because the wife will be buying it/using it) we are going to go up to Dublin on de train as they seem to have more of a selection up there and should get to test one and get the feel of it , might even come back with one if we lucky. (hence taking the train just in case :) ) or maybe we will come across a dealer whilst we are away with them on the forecourt


    There's a dealer in meath called EVelectriccarsales (or something like that) that currently have 2 Zoes for sale, and another called Electric Autos in kildare that have 1 for sale.


    Best to contact the EV specialists and ask for a test drive, they will be a lot more knowledgeable and helpful than a normal dealer.


  • #178
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    ELM327 wrote: »
    There's a dealer in meath called EVelectriccarsales (or something like that) that currently have 2 Zoes for sale,


    Best to contact the EV specialists and ask for a test drive, they will be a lot more knowledgeable and helpful than a normal dealer.


    thanks thats the one we have been in touch with - mathew , top man - he been very helpful

    cant get t see it until next week tho


  • #179
    ELM327
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    thanks thats the one we have been in touch with - mathew , top man

    cant get t see it until next week tho
    Yes they are in Trim I think. Have no personal dealings but have seen him and his advertising at some EV events and always seems to have some stock up at reasonable prices.


    The black Zoe he has at 7k (battery lease) looks well.


  • #180
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes they are in Trim I think. Have no personal dealings but have seen him and his advertising at some EV events and always seems to have some stock up at reasonable prices.


    The black Zoe he has at 7k (battery lease) looks well.

    Yeah I love the look of the black one , looks in really good nick from the photos. My wife likes both colurs he has. the otherone is a sort of pale blue . and im not made keen on that colour myself but at the end of the day it will be the wif'es car.

    He could even deliver outside our door fo 200eur extra if we interested but she wants to try one out first


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  • #181
    BENDYBINN
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    Yeah I love the look of the black one , looks in really good nick from the photos. My wife likes both colurs he has. the otherone is a sort of pale blue . and im not made keen on that colour myself but at the end of the day it will be the wif'es car.

    He could even deliver outside our door fo 200eur extra if we interested but she wants to try one out first

    Tut tut tut tut.......
    Have you not been told by the experts on hear that only a fool goes for battery rental.......


  • #182
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Tut tut tut tut.......
    Have you not been told by the experts on hear that only a fool goes for battery rental.......

    I guess i'm a fool then :D

    anyway, nothing is set in stone at the moment and if its the only way to get into being an EV user and experiencing all its other benefits thats the only way it looks like we are going to afford it.

    if money was no object and they werent a hell of a lot more expensive of course we would go down the avenue of one with no rental.

    You try to get an EV of 2015 vintage without battery rental for 7grand - good luck with that.

    maybe could get Leaf 2011 for same price - but of course thats getting older than 2015 car , want to try and get as new car as possible but give electric a go .

    so if anyone got any other ideas , that would be good .. and no we have no money to put against the 7grand nor want to save up any more years and get an EV in the future when we have any more money because that may never happen. - its now or never (well I feel) although the wife would most probably go for a small ICE car with 3cylinders (although she did not like the chugginess vibrations in the last 3cyl ICE cars before when she test drove them) and when I showed her all the electronic gadgets and features the Zoe had that got her even more in it. - I bet if it didnt have the pre heating, traction control , cruise control , sat nav, and all other goodies it would have been a different story.


  • #183
    Stheno
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    - I bet if it didnt have the pre heating, traction control , cruise control , sat nav, and all other goodies it would have been a different story.

    A fair few 2015 ICE cars have these sort of specs.


  • #184
    [Deleted User]
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    how much will a Zoe cost you ? how much PM will your battery rental be ?


  • #185
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Stheno wrote: »
    A fair few 2015 ICE cars have these sort of specs.

    I dunno with EV - 120 a year vehicle tax is attractive (I suppose that could change some time - hopefully not)

    - free charging when out and about (yes I know , charging for charging is supposed to be coming in this year, great timing!)

    No more handing cash over at the petrol station (although with battery rental money saved on petrol will have to go to that)

    No more smelly fumes

    lovely and quiet

    no nasty vibration when idling - no engine noise whilst driving (although as you have no engine noise I see you hear more road noise in an EV - turn radio up? :D )

    owning a piece of the future? - good talking point?

    I suppose there are more plusses (and more negatives as well i suppose?)


  • #186
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    how much will a Zoe cost you ? how much PM will your battery rental be ?

    still TBC on the cost of one - was going to get from NI as they seem to be cheaper up there and no VRT on them down here and some people say the NI / UK cars are driven better .. on better roads (any truth in that?) - so would be better buying rather than a used on used in ireland (ROI) thats what some people believe anyway.

    Battery rental - I think the wife said she would go for 15,000km at 1,032 per year (ouch, I know :eek:) - its frightening when you say it like that - over 3 years 3,096.00 for 3 years (painful in the end!) if i calculated it OK , and you would look back on it in 3 years time and think look how much I have paid for the car in total.. but ah sure what can you do, you cannot avoid it if thats the avenue you have to go down to get an affordable used EV car . - it will just negate most of the saving on buying petrol , that along with charging (if you pay for charging) - but at the end of the day a cleaner running car , and a car of the future with lots of nice features for the price.


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  • #187
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,717 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    you would look back on it in 3 years time and think look how much I have paid for the car in total.. but ah sure what can you do

    Listen to good advice?

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  • #188
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    unkel wrote: »
    Listen to good advice?

    yeah its a toughie - but i just know i will be like a kid in a sweet shop of she does go for an EV as her next car rather than another plain ol ICE car.

    of course if I kept on and said "I think the next car we should get should be an electric one " and it goes belly up and she ends up hating it or not getting on with it i most probably rightly so will get the blame.

    €19.11 weekly on battery rental (€86 PM - 15,000km per year) - but she would be spending more on petrol per week , and you get breakdown assistant included , have I got that right or am I making a mistake because 19.11per week for the battery rental - when its presented like that it dont look too bad. But as I say maybe I am calculating it wrong?

    https://www.renaultbelgard.ie/web/renault-electric-car-battery-cost/


  • #189
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    1032/52 is 19.84 per week

    Do you think you can actually afford an ev?


  • #190
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Stheno wrote: »
    1032/52 is 19.84 per week

    Do you think you can actually afford an ev?

    hopefully when saving on fuel and car tax .


  • #191
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »

    €19.11 weekly on battery rental (€86 PM - 15,000km per year) - but she would be spending more on petrol per week , and you get breakdown assistant included , have I got that right or am I making a mistake because 19.11per week for the battery rental - when its presented like that it dont look too bad. But as I say maybe I am calculating it wrong?

    https://www.renaultbelgard.ie/web/renault-electric-car-battery-cost/

    Which you will be paying for twice now as it comes as part of your insurance policy. I think you've been told that once or twice...…..


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  • #192
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    kceire wrote: »
    Which you will be paying for twice now as it comes as part of your insurance policy. I think you've been told that once or twice...…..

    not according to my wife , I said "have we got breakdown cover with our insurance?" and she said no

    it might be my age or early dementia kicking in but all this digging at me about "you have been told this before" is not helping - what is it some kind of point scoring thing like "I can remember things better than you" or what?

    some things my brain takes in when I am reading stuff on boards and some other things maybe either it didnt sink in or I just missed the post or just forgotten or what I dont know - but Jeez give me a break though its bloody annoying!


  • #193
    ethernet
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    not according to my wife , I said "have we got breakdown cover with our insurance?" and she said no

    Didn't come with a "fully comprehensive" policy from Axa for me either so I added it.


  • #194
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    ethernet wrote: »
    Didn't come with a "fully comprehensive" policy from Axa for me either so I added it.

    she got an AA breakdown (got it really because of old 2003 Clio we got got just in case it breaks down)

    Actually come to think of it , I shall have to look up on AA and see what the stance is on an Electric Vehicle .. I am wondering now if it extends to Electric Vehicles , maybe it just covers breakdown in ICE cars???

    Anyway maybe she will cancel the AA policy if we get a Zoe because of the breakdown cover on the battery rental , be silly to have 2 breakdown policy if they both cover the same


  • #195
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    not according to my wife , I said "have we got breakdown cover with our insurance?" and she said no

    it might be my age or early dementia kicking in but all this digging at me about "you have been told this before" is not helping - what is it some kind of point scoring thing like "I can remember things better than you" or what?

    some things my brain takes in when I am reading stuff on boards and some other things maybe either it didnt sink in or I just missed the post or just forgotten or what I dont know - but Jeez give me a break though its bloody annoying!

    Fair enough. That's the last time ill mention it.
    Maybe get your wife to read some of the posts on all your threads as the info seems to be lost on you at times.

    Posters on here have tried to aid you in making a decision, but you are choosing to ignore it, so that will be the last from me, i;m out.

    Go test drive an EV then come back with actual realistic questions.


  • #196
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    yes just so everyone is straight I am so greatful of the helpful advice that people have given ,,, you know and its so better getting advice on this group because when you search for reviews on the internet a lot of the time they are not even done in ireland, or they are biased reviews or incorrect information , but like when you are making decisions you normally take on board what others have said (well I do) and the helpful advice people have given and then add that and weigh it up with what I know (or think i know, from as much research I have done) and then weigh up the pro's and cons and then kind of make a decision .

    But even then sometimes I make a decision and then change my mind sometimes .. yeah, but its still good to try and get as many peoples views as possible


  • #197
    BENDYBINN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    yes just so everyone is straight I am so greatful of the helpful advice that people have given ,,, you know and its so better getting advice on this group because when you search for reviews on the internet a lot of the time they are not even done in ireland, or they are biased reviews or incorrect information , but like when you are making decisions you normally take on board what others have said (well I do) and the helpful advice people have given and then add that and weigh it up with what I know (or think i know, from as much research I have done) and then weigh up the pro's and cons and then kind of make a decision .

    But even then sometimes I make a decision and then change my mind sometimes .. yeah, but its still good to try and get as many peoples views as possible

    Don’t rush it Andy don’t rush it!


  • #198
    RangeR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,265 ✭✭✭RangeR


    Another point, in this very cold weather, my GOM [KM Guess o Meter] is down to 221KM on a full charge. It's normally hovering around 270KM in warm weather. Not a huge thing but something to be aware of.


  • #199
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,717 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Renault themselves advertise the Zoe41 as having a 300km range in summer and 200km in winter. I posted this before (with a link) in the main Renault Zoe thread. So nothing to worry about. In fact you probably have a light foot, RangeR :)

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  • #200
    [Deleted User]
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    Hang on a min, did I miss a year or two of this thread, is Andy now considering a 40 Kwh Zoe ?


  • #201
    RangeR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,265 ✭✭✭RangeR


    unkel wrote: »
    In fact you probably have a light foot, RangeR :)

    I'm not known for that :)


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