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New York Jets Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    Couple of very exciting signings last night, really looking forward to having an edge rush sewn up early, means that if we can't trade down, we'll have interior and exterior pressure supported by a decent secondary. Would love us to get Paridis to fill up the OL and really take a lot of the positional needs away from the draft.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    hots wrote: »
    Couple of very exciting signings last night, really looking forward to having an edge rush sewn up early, means that if we can't trade down, we'll have interior and exterior pressure supported by a decent secondary. Would love us to get Paridis to fill up the OL and really take a lot of the positional needs away from the draft.


    Aged well with Barr bailing and Paridis going nowhere near us! :o



    We're still a starter short on the O Line, short of any sort of outside pressure and 2 corners light too... Plenty of holes left to fill!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    hots wrote: »
    Aged well with Barr bailing and Paridis going nowhere near us! :o



    We're still a starter short on the O Line, short of any sort of outside pressure and 2 corners light too... Plenty of holes left to fill!

    Roberts and Meyers are out too, so that's two big time special teamers they need to replace.
    Apparently they had no interest in Paridis which really worries me because that means they think they've got a starter in Harrison


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,814 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    SHOVELLER wrote: »

    Sorry, daily news doesn't work anymore from Europe (GDPR stuff I suppose). What's the story?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Sorry, daily news doesn't work anymore from Europe (GDPR stuff I suppose). What's the story?

    there was a schedule leak today, I assume thats what its about
    https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1118549596190445568


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    if that is the schedule, the first half of the season looks potentially a hell of a lot harder than the second half.

    pretty early bye week this year as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,814 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Yeah, to be done with NE so early is lousy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Looks like Edge rusher Josh Allen (and maybe even Nick Bosa) might be available at the 3rd pick. Seems several of the mock drafts have the Jets picking Quinnen Williams, DL, at the #3 spot or trading down a spot and taking him. Although I think their biggest need is at CB I don’t see how they can pass up on Allen or Bosa if they're available.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,814 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Quinnen Williams seems like a nice safe pick, guy looks like he can help immediately. The fact that he was only a 1 year starter on a great college team doesn't concern me - less wear and tear coming into the league. Now, get after the Patriots!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    Another easy first round pick for Mac, pretty much had to take him I think. Not the position of need but arguably the best player in the draft again. Really curious to see how we fit our D line on the field though, Q & Leo on the field every down with Anderson and McLendon rotating depending on Pass/Run?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Hard to get excited about another IDL, but hardly surprising pick. Macc is clearly a BPA type of guy, well a least for the first round anyway!
    There was a lot of talk of trades last night, I'd love to see the offers they turned down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    hots wrote: »
    Really curious to see how we fit our D line on the field though, Q & Leo on the field every down with Anderson and McLendon rotating depending on Pass/Run?

    I dont think Gregg Williams will have any issue getting all 4 of them on the field, at least for the first 2 downs anyway. Leo and Anderson at DE with Quinnen and McLendon in the middle of the 2 of them and the likes of Mosely and Adams coming downhill behind them could be a scary prospect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    phatkev wrote: »
    Hard to get excited about another IDL, but hardly surprising pick. Macc is clearly a BPA type of guy, well a least for the first round anyway!
    There was a lot of talk of trades last night, I'd love to see the offers they turned down


    Definitely! Although the other trades were all quite reasonable so I can't imagine we were offered anything special.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Whats the thoughts on Polite. If you just look at his tape he seems like an absolute steal, but he tested horribly at he combine and apparently is team interviews didnt go much better. Considering Macc has a rep of picking high character, maturer guys its interesting he went with a just turned 21 year old with plenty of red flags


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    Have been off boards for a while but had to log on to vent. First pick was a no brainer so cant complain. The next two have some risk attached but with high potential and are at positions of need. But then it all went pear shaped. Another tight end to add to the 5 already on the roster when a number of centres and corner backs on the board. Don't care how high some might rate him at some stage you have to draft for need in order to build a roster. Then another line backer coming off three shoulder surgeries and a corner back coming off 2 ACLs who has only played 5 games in the past two years. I know the late rounds are only a dart throw but this is the terrible draft strategy that constantly leaves the Jets with little or no depth at important positions. No O line depth will put our franchise QB at serious risk this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Have been off boards for a while but had to log on to vent. First pick was a no brainer so cant complain. The next two have some risk attached but with high potential and are at positions of need. But then it all went pear shaped. Another tight end to add to the 5 already on the roster when a number of centres and corner backs on the board. Don't care how high some might rate him at some stage you have to draft for need in order to build a roster. Then another line backer coming off three shoulder surgeries and a corner back coming off 2 ACLs who has only played 5 games in the past two years. I know the late rounds are only a dart throw but this is the terrible draft strategy that constantly leaves the Jets with little or no depth at important positions. No O line depth will put our franchise QB at serious risk this season.

    I dont mind them taking another TE, I actually saw it as a position of need given every TE on the roster not named Herdon are sh1te.

    The next two made little to no sense, as you said the late rounds are mainly a crapshot, you should really be giving yourself the best shot, taking injury prone player does not do this! I think both ACL's were on the same knee as well:eek:

    Would have liked more picks to be spent on protecting Darnold alright. All day 3 picks could have realistically went on protecting Darnold. I think CB will be a major issue going forward this year as well


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    phatkev wrote: »
    I dont mind them taking another TE, I actually saw it as a position of need given every TE on the roster not named Herdon are sh1te.

    The next two made little to no sense, as you said the late rounds are mainly a crapshot, you should really be giving yourself the best shot, taking injury prone player does not do this! I think both ACL's were on the same knee as well:eek:

    Would have liked more picks to be spent on protecting Darnold alright. All day 3 picks could have realistically went on protecting Darnold. I think CB will be a major issue going forward this year as well

    In isolation the TE pick is okay but there were a players who would have filled a higher need especially at Centre. At the moment there is 1 below average centre on the roster and I don't know where they think another is going to come from!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    The tight end pick was odd alright, but I guess they didn't fancy anything on the line and took the next best thing for protecting Sam in a pure blocking TE, I guess we'll be cutting away at the existing TEs. QW was a no brainer, Polite could be a steal or nothing, fair enough in the third round position of need. Tackle in the third seems ok, line bolstering at least. Cashman they must have been really high on or have zero faith in our existing edge guys, 2 of the same position when we have so few picks and multiple holes to fill seems mad. 6 round CB with the injury concerns feels like another punt on our medical teams ability, when we have so few corners I'd nearly prefer a lower talent guy who can definitely compete for the job.

    I don't mind many of the picks but it's a fairly rigid BPA strategy the whole way through it looks like.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    In isolation the TE pick is okay but there were a players who would have filled a higher need especially at Centre. At the moment there is 1 below average centre on the roster and I don't know where they think another is going to come from!


    2 now with an UDFA signing:o


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    hots wrote: »
    2 now with an UDFA signing:o

    Haha read that the main reason he is a UDFA is that he had problems snapping the ball at USC!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    Haha read that the main reason he is a UDFA is that he had problems snapping the ball at USC!!
    ah ffs! :pac: We may well end up trotting out a long snapper at some point, when you think about it that game with Long's broken fingers last year was such a joke, completely risked Sam's health never mind giving a rookie a chance to actually play ball like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    Anyone got Nick Mangold's number still? "How's the ankle these days Nick..."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Haha read that the main reason he is a UDFA is that he had problems snapping the ball at USC!!

    Chirst!!

    They must be really high on Harrison, given that they apparently made no effort to sign either of the top centres in FA and then not addressing it in the draft either.
    Going off Harrison's play last year this would really worry me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    phatkev wrote: »
    Chirst!!

    They must be really high on Harrison, given that they apparently made no effort to sign either of the top centres in FA and then not addressing it in the draft either.
    Going off Harrison's play last year this would really worry me


    I reckon the weird pick where we traded our 7th to move up a spot was to grab the centre then but I think he was taken straight before. I think there's one still a free agent too right? If Harrison takes a knock at all we're stuffed, would love to know who'd step up then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    hots wrote: »
    I reckon the weird pick where we traded our 7th to move up a spot was to grab the centre then but I think he was taken straight before. I think there's one still a free agent too right? If Harrison takes a knock at all we're stuffed, would love to know who'd step up then.

    Paridas and Morse would have been the top two and they ended up with the Panthers and the Bills, Wisniewski is still a FA but I dont know if he be starting caliber. Other than that its older guys like John Sullivan who was apparently pretty awful last year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Macc sacked and replaced by Gase!!! I was no way a fan of macc and thought he should have been thrown out along with bowles, but I can't see going with Gase will be any better


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Something bad must have happened because otherwise it's absolutely bizarre timing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    Well that came out of nowhere?! Were the draft day rumours true then? Macc was no world-beater by any stretch of the imagination but he's been competent enough to see out the year I would have thought. Or if not why not kill him with Bowles?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Hold my beer moment just when you think the Giants are going to be NYC joke.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Ah now we have plenty of rope for the season to come to still be the NYC joke

    Very strange timing to fire your GM

    I wonder what went on in the background


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    Yep straight to twitter to see what the rumours are! The dust hasn't even settled since the draft - strange timing. Don't give it to Gase - he's enough on the training field to concentrate on and he's not Bill is he!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    franglan wrote: »
    Yep straight to twitter to see what the rumours are! The dust hasn't even settled since the draft - strange timing. Don't give it to Gase - he's enough on the training field to concentrate on and he's not Bill is he!


    I'm hoping it's a very 'interim' interim position anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    Think Macc drafted players such as Williams and Darnold that he couldn't miss on in the first round, they fell to him. Outside of that later round picks (even some 2nd and 3rds) just worked out below average. Jets didn't even get squad players from some mid room picks. Fairly uninspired stuff from him. What changed in the Jets organisation post Bowles departure, would have been an ideal time to go down route of new GM and HC rather than this hoch poch approach.


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    This is gubu stuff even for the jets. No fan of Macc but to fire him after letting him spend all your money and draft picks is stupid. Then to hand all the power to Gase who us just in the door after failing miserably with the same plan in Miami is just ridiculous. Then we hear Gase doesn't want Leveon Bell who could be the best playmaker and a major help to Sam on the roster. I thought free agency went well and first 4 picks of the draft can contribute this year. At least the season should have been let play out. Only bonus is that the obsession with D linemen might end now. Also I would say odds on Gregg Williams doesn't last the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    the timing of it is just so bizarre, really bad look for the Johnsons! I think Gase will have quite a short shelf life in New York


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I mean giving the HC full control worked well in philly when chip Kelly got it... oh wait no it didn’t and chip kelly wasn’t weird the way gase seems to be and I’m going on that really weird introductory press conference where it looked like he was seeing indoor lights for the first time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    Lots of info leaking out re free agency. Not a good sign for harmony throughout the season when the coach didn't want your two best free agents. I hope the new GM can be hired quickly to steady the ship before Gase manages to piss everyone off. If you want more reaction try the Playlikeajet podcast on turn on the jets. I have it downloaded to listen on the way to work tomorrow. They do a good mailbag at the weekends and will answer your questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Lots of info leaking out re free agency. Not a good sign for harmony throughout the season when the coach didn't want your two best free agents. I hope the new GM can be hired quickly to steady the ship before Gase manages to piss everyone off. If you want more reaction try the Playlikeajet podcast on turn on the jets. I have it downloaded to listen on the way to work tomorrow. They do a good mailbag at the weekends and will answer your questions.

    I read the issue was more about the money being spent on players as opposed to the players themselves. A lot of talk on twitter linking the job to Joe Douglas who is currently a scout with the Eagles I think, and apparently him and Gase have a good relationship


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    Oh good, Gase's first action is to dump Lee for a 6th? That's awwwful value, we would have gotten far more from just keeping him and letting him walk, it's not like we're stacked in coverage players, I'm sure he could have been rotated in at times or even just good depth. Poor call.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,814 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    hots wrote: »
    Oh good, Gase's first action is to dump Lee for a 6th? That's awwwful value, we would have gotten far more from just keeping him and letting him walk, it's not like we're stacked in coverage players, I'm sure he could have been rotated in at times or even just good depth. Poor call.

    Yeah, Gase has free reign now. Dumping Lee? Stupid.

    Really, just when the JETS had a chance to not be laughingstocks, back into it they leap. Christopher Johnson's presser had to be something, based on the summaries in today's NY Post (the only NYC paper I can read from Ireland, damn you Daily News)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    Fair enough interim GM in Gase but that's a big decision. Thought Lee was serviceable last year, easily rotational if not in starting 11 more than not this season. He's thrown away for a sixth. Gase must have done some interview - he's got the keys to the franchise currently.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭A Brad Maddox Guy


    Igotadose wrote: »
    based on the summaries in today's NY Post (the only NYC paper I can read from Ireland, damn you Daily News)

    Check if your local library offers access to Press Reader. New York Daily News is on that & membership is free.


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    Jets twitter blowing up overnight with two big rumours. One is that Gase is looking to trade Leveon Bell. Would be a crazy move trading away one of the most talented offensive players in the league without bill playing a down. The other is that the Jets want Peyton Manning as GM. He would clearly be a puppet for Gase and probably only a figurehead to massage Chris Johnson's ego. Most are saying they won't happen but who knows with the Jets. There is never a dull moment following this team but if either of these happen my resolve to keep following this team will be severely tested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Jets twitter blowing up overnight with two big rumours. One is that Gase is looking to trade Leveon Bell. Would be a crazy move trading away one of the most talented offensive players in the league without bill playing a down. The other is that the Jets want Peyton Manning as GM. He would clearly be a puppet for Gase and probably only a figurehead to massage Chris Johnson's ego. Most are saying they won't happen but who knows with the Jets. There is never a dull moment following this team but if either of these happen my resolve to keep following this team will be severely tested.


    Don't know how contracts work in trades but if they can trade out of that albetros of a contract they'll be doing well


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    Guffy wrote: »
    Don't know how contracts work in trades but if they can trade out of that albetros of a contract they'll be doing well

    Absolutely not an albatross of a contract. Jets can get out of it in two years when most of guaranteed money runs out. Why Jets fans would want to trade away one of top 5 offensive talents in the league is beyond me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Id say the Bell rumours are just sh1t stirring from the media

    Nobody seemed to have too much real intentions of signing Bell during the off season when it was just money involved can't see a team turning around now and giving up picks as well as money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    phatkev wrote: »
    Id say the Bell rumours are just sh1t stirring from the media

    Nobody seemed to have too much real intentions of signing Bell during the off season when it was just money involved can't see a team turning around now and giving up picks as well as money


    Exactly this, just stirring when there's easy headlines to be written.


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    Great to see Bell at mini camp this week and all the vibes seem to be good. Only hope they don't make a mess of the GM search now. Worryingly rumours last night that the Jets seem to more concerned with saving money than picking the right candidate. Would like them to hire Adam Douglas but other candidates appear to be strong.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Joe Douglas appointed as the new GM, a lot of the media seem to think its a great move for the Jets. It'll be interesting to see how the relationship between Gase and him goes


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