Tenet (Christopher Nolan) spoilers from post 475

22-07-2020 1:07am

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Dunkirk was excellent on a technical level. I thought it lacked heart, alot of people honestly felt i dont really care about any of these characters.

But i would also say it suffered from his insistence of not utilising CGI for some key scenes to actually demonstrate the scale of the evacuation. The scale never comes across correctly in the movie due to this.

I thought 1917 was far better in most aspects than dunkirk.

that was the whole point of Dunkirk - not to focus on the characters. thats why for example names are not dwelt on at all really.

it's about the tension of the situation. the drama of it. that's what it brilliantly succeeds in portraying imo

I personally thought that 1917 was vastly over-rated. The fake continuous shot trick got old quickly and there were several scenes that didn't work at all imo - e.g. the plane through the barn one and the one where loads of soldiers miss him a the firelight / dawn scene and the stupid fake bloated bodies.

Didn't care for it at all. Couldn't have cared by the end whether he survived or not.

Saw both in the cinema.

I predict Dunkirk will be remembered as a classic and 1917 as something that was known at the time for a quickly-boring so-called continuous shot.

Banjaxed82 · 22-07-2020 6:58am

glasso wrote: »

that was the whole point of Dunkirk - not to focus on the characters. thats why for example names are not dwelt on at all really.

it's about the tension of the situation. the drama of it. that's what it brilliantly succeeds in portraying imo

I personally thought that 1917 was vastly over-rated. The fake continuous shot trick got old quickly and there were several scenes that didn't work at all imo - e.g. the plane through the barn one and the one where loads of soldiers miss him a the firelight / dawn scene and the stupid fake bloated bodies.

Didn't care for it at all. Couldn't have cared by the end whether he survived or not.

Saw both in the cinema.

I predict Dunkirk will be remembered as a classic and 1917 as something that was known at the time for a quickly-boring so-called continuous shot.

Agreed. Dunkirk was an "experience". It is single handedly an advertisement for why the cinema experience trumps anything you can replicate in your gaff.

I found it very hard to get on board with 1917. Couldn't get emotionally involved in the characters, and while there was great technical achievements, they also hamstrung themselves with the same storytelling device that quickly grew old, and only served Mendes in limiting his ability to tell the story.

Stripping away the one shot aspect, it's a very middle of the road film as far as story/character goes.

Homelander · 22-07-2020 10:16am

glasso wrote: »

I predict Dunkirk will be remembered as a classic and 1917 as something that was known at the time for a quickly-boring so-called continuous shot.

To be honest it's far more likely that neither will be remembered much at all.

Saving Private Ryan. Black Hawk Down. Das Boot. Platoon - there are many more, but the types of true classics.

1917 and Dunkirk are technically decent movies but far from classics, 20 years from now no-one will be talking about either of them.

TheIrishGrover · 22-07-2020 10:33am

MfMan wrote: »

Maybe it's crap and they're going to can it.

Shut your filthy mouth!

(JK)

Nah, as with most of Nolan's stuff, he's big on spectacle. Sometimes this can be a bad thing as the big spectacular scenes can attempt to hide a lacking story but Nolan uses spectacle brilliantly.

I am very happy I saw his Dark Knight trilogy, Inception, Interstellar and Dunkirk in the cinema before on my TV. I also saw the Tenet prologue in the cinema and it looked fantastic (Ear-bleedingly loud and explained nothing but was amazing).

I agree that the characters in Dunkirk may have been lacking but, as others have said, it wasn't really about the individuals, more the overall experience. I mean many of the characters didn't even have names. ButI LOVED the flying sequences. The creaks of the plane as it turned, the panorama. Beautiful.

So yeah, unfortunately I think this is the correct decision. Tenet will need to be seen on the biggest screen as possible with the fullest screenings as possible. While it's a bummer we can't see it now I'd rather they delay it until it can have the biggest audience. Nolan is proving that Summer Blockbusters can be big and brash without being dumb or conforming to a cookie-cutter assembly-line formula.

MfMan · 22-07-2020 11:24am

Ipso wrote: »

Yeah. They’ll can a movie with a huge budget.

It might be Heaven's Gate II where the protagonists travel back in time to partake in the Johnson County war.

22-07-2020 4:24pm

Homelander wrote: »

To be honest it's far more likely that neither will be remembered much at all.

Saving Private Ryan. Black Hawk Down. Das Boot. Platoon - there are many more, but the types of true classics.

1917 and Dunkirk are technically decent movies but far from classics, 20 years from now no-one will be talking about either of them.

I disagree re Dunkirk.

Well be remembered for putting you there in the scene from the beginning and maintaining that tension until the end.

Great movies don't have to have a paint-by-numbers traditional plot.

Of course this applies to the absolute prerequisite of seeing it in the cinema.

Platoon has aged badly (particularly the ending) and Saving Private Ryan to an extent (spinoff band of brothers is better). Black Hawk down not in the conversation of top tier. Das Boot is a classic but too cramped (literally) to have any scale.

Ipso · 22-07-2020 4:33pm

MfMan wrote: »

It might be Heaven's Gate II where the protagonists travel back in time to partake in the Johnson County war.

Tenets gate.

22-07-2020 8:42pm

War is about war.

Individuals are nothing in the overall machine.

That is the fallacy of the majority of most war movies.

Particularly the ones dripping with sentimentality and/or sanctimony.

The White Wolf · 25-07-2020 5:05pm

Homelander wrote: »

To be honest it's far more likely that neither will be remembered much at all.

Saving Private Ryan. Black Hawk Down. Das Boot. Platoon - there are many more, but the types of true classics.

1917 and Dunkirk are technically decent movies but far from classics, 20 years from now no-one will be talking about either of them.

You know it's funny.....people always level this criticism at Nolan yet it's his films that are amongst the most debated and talked about of the last decade plus. Interstellar, Inception, TDK, TDKR, Dunkirk.

I think it's safe to say they will be remembered as long as this generation is alive at the least.

peteeeed · 27-07-2020 6:18pm

Opening aug 26th in 70 countries

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/media/tenet-international-release/index.html

pixelburp · 27-07-2020 6:43pm

Just in time for the second wave. Still feels way too optimistic to pin a release that soon from this current present. A lot of those named countries are juggling with a return to lockdown, while god knows where the US will be in September. Half the country couldn't be persuaded to lockdown the first time around, never mind a second wave.

Effects · 27-07-2020 11:25pm

Homelander wrote: »

To be honest it's far more likely that neither will be remembered much at all.

Dunkirk is a cinematic masterpiece. That won't be forgotten. It'll probably be appreciated more in the future if anything.

The White Wolf · 28-07-2020 7:36am

pixelburp wrote: »

Just in time for the second wave. Still feels way too optimistic to pin a release that soon from this current present. A lot of those named countries are juggling with a return to lockdown, while god knows where the US will be in September. Half the country couldn't be persuaded to lockdown the first time around, never mind a second wave.

What's it to you whether this film makes money or not? I've seen you mentioning it in other threads as well. Expecting a reply along the lines of something something obscene budget.

The Black Oil · 28-07-2020 8:34am

peteeeed wrote: »

Opening aug 26th in 70 countries

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/media/tenet-international-release/index.html

Not seeing Ireland mentioned here. We're probably counted under the UK. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/tenet-open-overseas-late-august-followed-by-us-cities-labor-day-1304528

peteeeed · 28-07-2020 8:40am

The Black Oil wrote: »

Not seeing Ireland mentioned here. We're probably counted under the UK. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/tenet-open-overseas-late-august-followed-by-us-cities-labor-day-1304528

think so , i will try and get an extra socially distant 10 am week day showing after a week or 2 of it being out , i didn't like busy cinemas pre-lockdown

pixelburp · 28-07-2020 9:32am

The White Wolf wrote: »

What's it to you whether this film makes money or not? I've seen you mentioning it in other threads as well. Expecting a reply along the lines of something something obscene budget.

I never mentioned budget and don't care how much this cost so something something yourself

I just think it's insane to open any new film in this climate because the world is still spiralling. If I'm a broken record then so what? Didn't think it offended anyone's sensibilities to stress about industries opening prematurely. Push them back to 2021 and stop this hopscotch

peteeeed · 29-07-2020 7:33am

The plot thickens , apparently Ireland is not one of the 70 countries

ixoy · 29-07-2020 8:36am

peteeeed wrote: »

The plot thickens , apparently Ireland is not one of the 70 countries

I see it's not listed but we're possibly lumped under the United Kingdom. Have they explicitly stated not Ireland? It makes no sense not to.

peteeeed · 29-07-2020 8:57am

ixoy wrote: »

I see it's not listed but we're possibly lumped under the United Kingdom. Have they explicitly stated not Ireland? It makes no sense not to.

Entertainment.ie have a story that we are not on the release list for august

pixelburp · 29-07-2020 10:51am

Presumably too small a market to be worth distribution? Cos otherwise I'd have thought our stats were better than the UK. Though whether it's related or not, the film industry is a multi billion one across the water so maybe their lobbyists did their job lol

ixoy · 29-07-2020 11:31am

pixelburp wrote: »

Presumably too small a market to be worth distribution?

Well Iceland is included so... I'm presuming for now it's just us being lumped under the UK.

pixelburp · 29-07-2020 11:35am

ixoy wrote: »

Well Iceland is included so... I'm presuming for now it's just us being lumped under the UK.

Right. Yeah then you're probably right. Man I hope for the day when terraforming is a thing and we can perhaps move the island away from the neighbours, park somewhere else. Sunnier, by someone more continental

johnny_ultimate · 29-07-2020 1:31pm

Even with the current circumstances, I’d be amazed if they’d separate out the Irish and UK releases. They’re usually treated as one territory for the purposes of film releases, especially by big studios. I mean, we aren’t on the list... but it would be unprecedented for them to hold off on Ireland when the UK gets the green light.

Remember most other European countries need English language films to be localised and translated. So that’s why they’d often be separated out into each individual country.

Only issue I could see is if more Irish cinemas decide to hold off on reopening. I’d imagine the likes of Cineworld are holding off until they can throw something like Tenet into 90% of their reduced capacity screens, but it’d be wild for them to stay closed if a major new blockbuster is available (and the public health situation is stable).

peteeeed · 30-07-2020 3:12pm

it is it isn't , IT IS

https://entertainment.ie/cinema/movie-news/tenet-ireland-release-date-august-26-459111/

pixelburp · 30-07-2020 5:18pm

Wait til Scotland becomes independent and they'll share the frustration of being lumped in as part of the UK region

Hey, might actually force companies to rebadge these things as something else if there's suddenly 2 English speaking countries in Europe that aren't the UK.

johnny_ultimate · 30-07-2020 5:30pm

“So, in the interest of being accurate in our reporting, we waited for full confirmation from Warner Bros. on the date”

With all due respect to Entertainment.ie, surely they should have waited for this confirmation before publishing their article about Ireland not being on the list :pac:

pixelburp · 30-07-2020 5:31pm

The Content Must Flow.

mikhail · 30-07-2020 5:53pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Wait til Scotland becomes independent and they'll share the frustration of being lumped in as part of the UK region Hey, might actually force companies to rebadge these things as something else if there's suddenly 2 English speaking countries in Europe that aren't the UK.

Three. Malta, while it has various languages, is English-speaking. I don't know if its cinemas are treated strangely for distribution purposes.

Arghus · 03-08-2020 12:32am

Well, we'll see what happens. But I have a feeling in me waters that we won't be rushing to go back to the cinema in three/four weeks time. Hopefully I'm wrong, of course.

Dickerty · 05-08-2020 11:50am

mikhail wrote: »

Three. Malta, while it has various languages, is English-speaking. I don't know if its cinemas are treated strangely for distribution purposes.

Maltese is still their primary language, but they are comfortable in English as a former colony. But you always see/hear "UK and Ireland" as a pairing, never "UK and Malta". So it's more than just language.

splashthecash · 11-08-2020 12:46pm

This film seems very convoluted - still looking forward to seeing it though.

Although I'm not in a place where I would feel comfortable in a theatre for 2-3 hours so I'll need to hold back for a while

unplayable · 12-08-2020 12:47pm

tickets booked for imax in cork on 26th. seems mad but when you around 7/8 seats around you are blocked off. going to be about 20% full i would say. mad times, anyway cant wait to see it.

johnny_ultimate · 12-08-2020 12:48pm

IFI reopening on the 26th, with the 70mm print of this as their main event

Already had tickets booked for 35mm, so guess I’m going to see this twice :pac:

peteeeed · 12-08-2020 1:57pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

IFI reopening on the 26th, with the 70mm print of this as their main event Already had tickets booked for 35mm, so guess I’m going to see this twice :pac:

went to see dunkirk with the 70mm print in the ifi and in the imax at cineworld and the imax was a million times better . love the ifi but not for "big" movies

Goodshape · 12-08-2020 2:40pm

peteeeed wrote: »

went to see dunkirk with the 70mm print in the ifi and in the imax at cineworld and the imax was a million times better . love the ifi but not for "big" movies

I saw Dunkirk in 70mm in IFI and thought it was spectacular. Although I didn't see that one in the Cineworld's "IMAX" to compare, I wasn't left wanting from the IFI.

peteeeed · 12-08-2020 5:02pm

Goodshape wrote: »

I saw Dunkirk in 70mm in IFI and thought it was spectacular. Although I didn't see that one in the Cineworld's "IMAX" to compare, I wasn't left wanting from the IFI.

Don’t me wrong it was still great but it just looked like it was made for IMAX

johnny_ultimate · 12-08-2020 5:10pm

I vastly, vastly prefer the look of real film to digital IMAX, especially for a film shot on film (IMAX or otherwise). I’m not the biggest fan of the Cineworld screen as it all just looks a bit too digitised for my liking.

In order of preference for a film of this ilk: Real 70mm IMAX, standard 70mm, 35mm, digital IMAX, standard digital

ixoy · 13-08-2020 2:19pm

Cineworld also re-opening on the 26th to show 'Tenet' on multiple screens, including IMAX of course.

I imagine the likes of johnny_ultimate will be particularly pleased to know they've got a 4D showing too

peteeeed · 13-08-2020 5:06pm

ixoy wrote: »

Cineworld also re-opening on the 26th to show 'Tenet' on multiple screens, including IMAX of course.

I imagine the likes of johnny_ultimate will be particularly pleased to know they've got a 4D showing too

Now that’s one thing I hated , 4d

peteeeed · 13-08-2020 5:08pm

Some new posters are out

https://twitter.com/tenetfilm/status/1293940752888688640?s=21

https://twitter.com/tenetfilm/status/1293940669161984001?s=21

https://twitter.com/tenetfilm/status/1293940449242017792?s=21

johnny_ultimate · 13-08-2020 5:09pm

ixoy wrote: »

I imagine the likes of johnny_ultimate will be particularly pleased to know they've got a 4D showing too

4D is bordering on heretical

On the subject of Cineworld, I actually wouldn’t be surprised if we see some of the bigger multiplexes showing this in nearly every single screen they have. While I’d usually be wildly opposed to such blockbuster dominance, the sheer lack of new films and the severely reduced capacity in screens means there might be some extreme measures taken! Only question is whether Warner would give them a dozen DCPs at a reasonable rate!

splashthecash · 13-08-2020 5:25pm

Remind me - 4D is what exactly....3D with splashes of water thrown at you or some **** like that?

peteeeed · 13-08-2020 10:36pm

splashthecash wrote: »

Remind me - 4D is what exactly....3D with splashes of water thrown at you or some **** like that?

Your seat jolts all over the shop

Basq · 13-08-2020 10:54pm

I really want to see this but practically 3 hours in the cinema with a mask will be hard work...

.. how will I eat my "so called popped corn"?

mikhail · 14-08-2020 12:21am

Basq wrote: »

I really want to see this but practically 3 hours in the cinema with a mask will be hard work...

.. how will I eat my "so called popped corn"?

From what I've seen, you're not obliged to wear the mask once you've taken your seat. I suspect I'll be erring on the side of caution though.

Drumpot · 14-08-2020 12:39am

Basq wrote: »

I really want to see this but practically 3 hours in the cinema with a mask will be hard work...

.. how will I eat my "so called popped corn"?

I was at interstellar tonight and you wear mask in and out but can take off during movie.

If you think about it, once people don’t talk it’s actually safer then a pub or a classroom or many office environments.

ixoy · 14-08-2020 8:47am

peteeeed wrote: »

Your seat jolts all over the shop

You also get little spurts of air either side of your neck at times. I did it once, for 'Solo' because I wanted to see if the experience was annoying as I thought it might be and that was the only suitable time after work. I would never do it again.

peteeeed · 14-08-2020 9:14am

ixoy wrote: »

You also get little spurts of air either side of your neck at times. I did it once, for 'Solo' because I wanted to see if the experience was annoying as I thought it might be and that was the only suitable time after work. I would never do it again.

yep i saw avengers Infinity war and i can only say that if it really was what the experience of flying , tony stark would have thrown his suit in a skip

splashthecash · 14-08-2020 9:20am

ixoy wrote: »

You also get little spurts of air either side of your neck at times. I did it once, for 'Solo' because I wanted to see if the experience was annoying as I thought it might be and that was the only suitable time after work. I would never do it again.

Nothing like a splash of water, a little dose of whiplash or the feel of someone coughing on your neck to take you out of the cinematic experience

Shred · 16-08-2020 11:54am

I booked for The Lighthouse screen 1; no one sitting beside, in front or behind you - it sounds like bliss tbh and I'm looking forward to it!

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