€2m taxpayer funds for GAA facilities

is_that_so · 24-04-2019 11:05am #1

While this looks like a very good initiative should the taxpayer be on the hook for what is effectively a GAA only facility?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0424/1045285-indoor-inter-county-games-at-connachts-3m-air-dome/

ShyMets · 24-04-2019 2:53pm

Grab all association. They get everything. Grumble, grumble, grumble.

Just I'd be the first one to get in with that old chestnut.

ChikiChiki · 24-04-2019 3:03pm

Money well spent and the facility will be used for many years to come.

At least gaa funds are handled properly unlike the missappropriation of funds and all expenses paid trips for girlfriends over at the FAI.

Junkyard Tom · 24-04-2019 3:07pm

GAA folks are taxpayers too. If two million people in Ireland enjoy the ol' GAA that's only one euro each out of their taxes.

biko · 24-04-2019 3:43pm

"We’re building a dome here and we’re using all the hot air that comes out of our Connacht Council meetings!" joked provincial secretary John Prenty.

Loving it

fryup · 24-04-2019 4:58pm

i hate the GAA and everything they stand for >insular irish narrow mindedness

i don't want a penny of my taxpayers money going to them, we should be promoting international sports

Guy:Incognito · 24-04-2019 5:01pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

GAA folks are taxpayers too. If two million people in Ireland enjoy the ol' GAA that's only one euro each out of their taxes.

Tax isn't a savings scheme where you get to spend it on your favourite things .

The gaa has plenty of money to build their domes wherever they like.

Sports Grant's and the like should be for grassroots areas of sports. Activities for top level sports that generate their own money should be self funded.

Yer Da sells Avon · 24-04-2019 5:32pm

I can think of worse things to spend money on than a voluntary organisation that gives immense pleasure to a sizable chunk of the population.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-04-2019 5:36pm

fryup wrote: »

i hate the GAA and everything they stand for >insular irish narrow mindedness

i don't want a penny of my taxpayers money going to them, we should be promoting international sports

They're not insular. They will allow anybody to join them, not matter what their politics, class, colour or creed.

For instance nearly half my club's current minor panel are of eastern European extraction.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 24-04-2019 5:40pm

fryup wrote: »

i hate the GAA and everything they stand for >insular irish narrow mindedness

i don't want a penny of my taxpayers money going to them, we should be promoting international sports

I think the FAI does ok.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 24-04-2019 5:42pm

fryup wrote: »

i hate the GAA and everything they stand for >insular irish narrow mindedness

i don't want a penny of my taxpayers money going to them, we should be promoting international sports

As an outsider it’s a pretty open organisation that is well run and preserves the amateur ethos. The organisation is vastly better than the FAI for instance.

Clonmel1000 · 24-04-2019 5:45pm

fryup wrote: »

i hate the GAA and everything they stand for >insular irish narrow mindedness

i don't want a penny of my taxpayers money going to them, we should be promoting international sports

International sports like what?

Say Your Number · 24-04-2019 5:50pm

Ah it's been a while since we last had a GAA bashing thread around here.

blackwhite · 25-04-2019 10:52am

Prenty must be nearly up there with Frank Murphy in terms of tenure at this stage. He seems to have been Connacht secretary forever at this stage

riffmongous · 25-04-2019 11:13am

Wait till they are banning someone for using it for a charity soccer match, then we can get the outrage going.I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread yet on the disgraceful donegal situation

Samuel Vimes · 25-04-2019 11:30am

riffmongous wrote: »

Wait till they are banning someone for using it for a charity soccer match, then we can get the outrage going.I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread yet on the disgraceful donegal situation

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/its-a-disgrace-dad-hits-out-at-possible-ban-for-club-after-they-hosted-fundraising-match-in-his-honour-38046538.html
A former GAA football player and coach who is battling Motor Neuron Disease has hit out at the controversy over the possible eight-week suspension of his local club for ‘hosting’ a fundraising match in his honour.

Father-of-three Paul Dillon, (45), from Newtowncunningham, Co Donegal said he was taken aback that his local GAA club, Naomh Colmcille, could now face possible sanctions for allowing a charity football match to raise funds to help him manage his illness go ahead.

The GAA a great bunch of lads!

fryup · 25-04-2019 11:34am

^^^^^^^^^^^

unbelievable in this day & age

*thats what i'm getting at with my previous post

mrmorgan · 25-04-2019 11:46am

fryup wrote: »

i hate the GAA and everything they stand for >insular irish narrow mindedness

i don't want a penny of my taxpayers money going to them, we should be promoting international sports

Like what rugby?? A sport full of idiots!!

We should be promoting our national sport!

dundalkfc10 · 25-04-2019 11:54am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Money well spent and the facility will be used for many years to come.

At least gaa funds are handled properly unlike the missappropriation of funds and all expenses paid trips for girlfriends over at the FAI.

Why are managers of clubs and counties up and down the country giving lots and lots of CASH to manage senior teams (minor teams too in some counties)?

Is this money been recorded in clubs books?

blackwhite · 25-04-2019 12:10pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Why are managers of clubs and counties up and down the country giving lots and lots of CASH to manage senior teams (minor teams too in some counties)?

Is this money been recorded in clubs books?

"Travel & other Expenses" are paid by clubs or county boards and are fully recorded and reported.

The issue tends to be more from arranging for a sponsor to make payments to the manager or coaches directly - never touches the club/country board bank account and they can deny it was anything to do with them at all.

dundalkfc10 · 25-04-2019 12:17pm

blackwhite wrote: »

"Travel & other Expenses" are paid by clubs or county boards and are fully recorded and reported.

The issue tends to be more from arranging for a sponsor to make payments to the manager or coaches directly - never touches the club/country board bank account and they can deny it was anything to do with them at all.

Do you honestly believe that. Clubs paying €10-€15,000 and you say this is expenses?

From last years annual report

https://www.gaa.ie/news/payment-managers-strike-the-heart-gaa-ethos/

The GAA cannot continue to turn a blind eye to the culture of illegal payments to team managers at club and county level.

That was the warning issued today by outgoing GAA Ard Stiurthóir Páraic Duffy in his Annual Report.

The most significant development since 2010, in my view, is that an increasing number of irregular payments are now being made at club level.

“Such payments strike at the heart of the origins and relevance of the Association’s amateur and volunteer ethos.

The Tetrarch · 25-04-2019 12:49pm

mrmorgan wrote: »

We should be promoting our national sport!

It is not our national sport. And you can be an Irish man or woman without playing GAA games.

kowloon · 25-04-2019 1:29pm

mrmorgan wrote: »

Like what rugby?? A sport full of idiots!!

We should be promoting our national sport!

Sorry, I've decided that croquet is the new national sport. We'll be building a new National Croquet Centre which will have a double dome with a central tower. It should only cost the tax payer €5 each and we've found a site with a lovely ringfort which we can level without planning permission on which to build this monument to true Irishness.

25-04-2019 1:41pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

It is not our national sport.

They are, and your foreign garrison games are still your foreign garrison games no matter how many green jerseys you dress them up in.

blackwhite · 25-04-2019 2:02pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that. Clubs paying €10-€15,000 and you say this is expenses?

From last years annual report

https://www.gaa.ie/news/payment-managers-strike-the-heart-gaa-ethos/

The GAA cannot continue to turn a blind eye to the culture of illegal payments to team managers at club and county level.

That was the warning issued today by outgoing GAA Ard Stiurthóir Páraic Duffy in his Annual Report.

The most significant development since 2010, in my view, is that an increasing number of irregular payments are now being made at club level.

“Such payments strike at the heart of the origins and relevance of the Association’s amateur and volunteer ethos.

I'm guessing reading comprehension wasn't high on the list of topics in dundalk schools then

Clubs and county boards dress up a percentage that they think they can get away with as "Travel and Expenses".
The rest is completely off the books and hidden by getting a sponsor to make the payment directly. So instead of getting sponsorship and making a payment - all of which would leave an audit trail in the accounts - they have arrangements with sponsors to keep the cash flow away from any official GAA accounts. These are the "irregular" payments,

ted1 · 25-04-2019 2:08pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

It is not our national sport. And you can be an Irish man or woman without playing GAA games.

It is our national sport

ohnonotgmail · 25-04-2019 2:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They are, and your foreign garrison games are still your foreign garrison games no matter how many green jerseys you dress them up in.

was there really any need to bring that in? what do you really gain by mentioning that?

25-04-2019 2:13pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

was there really any need to bring that in? what do you really gain by mentioning that?

It is factually correct. Are you denying this? Curiously you had no issue with the guy who initiated this by claiming the sports administered by the GAA are not Ireland's national sports. They very much are, no matter how much the usual Irish haters wish to contend otherwise by claiming English sports as Irish.

seamus · 25-04-2019 2:15pm

If you're annoyed about €2m to a body that runs valuable community sporting facilities in every parish in the country, wait until you hear about the €16m the greyhound industry gets so they can give prize money to a tiny handful of animal abusers involved in a niche sport that gives nothing back.

ohnonotgmail · 25-04-2019 2:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It is factually correct. Are you denying this? .

My issue is that it shows you are stuck in the past.

Deleted User wrote: »

Curiously you had no issue with the guy who initiated this by claiming the sports administered by the GAA are not Ireland's national sports. They very much are, no matter how much the usual Irish haters wish to contend otherwise.

well apologies if i dont respond to every post that you think i should

25-04-2019 2:23pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

My issue is that it shows you are stuck in the past.

Interesting. So, how are "national sports" created if not from a past? You think you just invent them one minute and they become "national sports" the next? Please do tell.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well apologies if i dont respond to every post that you think i should

Yeah, not of course because his attack on the GAA corresponded with your own prejudices...

Utter Consternation · 25-04-2019 2:28pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They are, and your foreign garrison games are still your foreign garrison games no matter how many green jerseys you dress them up in.

Foreign garrison games???

Do you fondle yourself when you're posting that sort of lame rhetoric? Dreaming of a 32 county republic and crying into your weak tea about 'blood sacrifices.'

ohnonotgmail · 25-04-2019 2:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting. So, how are "national sports" created if not from a past? You think you just invent them one minute and they become "national sports" the next? Please do tell.

acknowledging the past is one thing, reliving it continually is another.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, not of course because his attack on the GAA corresponded with your own prejudices...

they dont so you can cut out that nonsense. I have no prejudice against the GAA. well except that Vinny Murphy bollix that played for dublin.

25-04-2019 2:33pm

Utter Consternation wrote: »

Foreign garrison games???

Do you fondle yourself when you're posting that sort of lame rhetoric? Dreaming of a 32 county republic and crying into your weak tea about 'blood sacrifices.'

Ha. So, soccer, rugby and cricket are not foreign games brought here by the British garrison and are instead Ireland's "national games"? Always entertaining to hear the fantasy history of the Irish haters/West Brits.

ohnonotgmail · 25-04-2019 2:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ha. So, soccer, rugby and cricket are not foreign games brought here by the British garrison and are instead Ireland's "national games"? Always entertaining to hear the fantasy history of the Irish haters/West Brits.

it is that "You're either with me or again me" attitude that needs to stay in the past where it belongs. The world is not black or white.

c.p.w.g.w · 25-04-2019 2:35pm

seamus wrote: »

If you're annoyed about €2m to a body that runs valuable community sporting facilities in every parish in the country, wait until you hear about the €16m the greyhound industry gets so they can give prize money to a tiny handful of animal abusers involved in a niche sport that gives nothing back.

I think many folks have issues with GAA only facility, when tax money is involved. Considering the GAA go mental if the facility isn't available to them

Utter Consternation · 25-04-2019 2:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ha. So, soccer, rugby and cricket are not foreign games brought here by the British garrison and are instead Ireland's "national games"? Always entertaining to hear the fantasy history of the Irish haters/West Brits.

Less of the passive racism please.

Chancer3001 · 25-04-2019 2:41pm

You do know you're allowed to play and enjoy and watch sports that werent invented in your own country?

Every country in the world does that.

Its normal.

25-04-2019 2:42pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it is that "You're either with me or again me" attitude that needs to stay in the past where it belongs. The world is not black or white.

More hyperbole. You seem to have serious issues with accepting historical facts you don't like. The GAA administers Ireland's national games and no number of denials from you or your fellow travellers will dress up the games of the British garrison as Ireland's national games. Next time don't make obtuse claims about the GAA and we won't have to highlight the politics of your British colonial games in response.

Utter Consternation · 25-04-2019 2:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

More hyperbole. You seem to have serious issues with accepting historical facts you don't like. The GAA administers Ireland's national games and no number of denials from you or your fellow travellers will dress up the games of the British garrison as Ireland's national games. Next time don't make obtuse claims about the GAA and we won't have to highlight the politics of your British colonial games in response.

Maybe you need to take a bit of time off from your 'historical facts'? You seem a bit tense and wound up over the 'Brits' as you call them.

ohnonotgmail · 25-04-2019 2:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

More hyperbole. You seem to have serious issues with accepting historical facts you don't like. The GAA administers Ireland's national games and no number of denials from you or your fellow travellers will dress up the games of the British garrison as Ireland's national games. Next time don't make obtuse claims about the GAA and we won't have to highlight the politics of your British colonial games in response.

I have never suggested that soccer, rugby, et al are our national games. I have made no claims about the GAA. I only took issue with your outdated terminology. But because i took issue with something you said you assume that i totally oppose you on everything else concerned with the topic. That is exactly a "you're either with me or again me" philosophy.

Fr_Dougal · 25-04-2019 2:52pm

is_that_so wrote: »

While this looks like a very good initiative should the taxpayer be on the hook for what is effectively a GAA only facility?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0424/1045285-indoor-inter-county-games-at-connachts-3m-air-dome/

Another massive coverup by the GAA!

25-04-2019 2:53pm

Utter Consternation wrote: »

Less of the passive racism please.

Utter Consternation wrote: »

You seem a bit tense and wound up over the 'Brits' as you call them.

Hmmm. Join Date: Apr 2019. Posts: 34. You sound very familiar with your patter and ad hominems so please go away and troll somewhere else.

Jimmy_oc1998 · 25-04-2019 2:54pm

GAA are a disgrace.

They go around all year with their hand out yet the clubs pay managers of intermediate clubs 15k a year.

dundalkfc10 · 25-04-2019 2:59pm

blackwhite wrote: »

I'm guessing reading comprehension wasn't high on the list of topics in dundalk schools then

Clubs and county boards dress up a percentage that they think they can get away with as "Travel and Expenses".
The rest is completely off the books and hidden by getting a sponsor to make the payment directly. So instead of getting sponsorship and making a payment - all of which would leave an audit trail in the accounts - they have arrangements with sponsors to keep the cash flow away from any official GAA accounts. These are the "irregular" payments,

Went to school in Newry as why any kid would do the Leaving Cert when they can do A Levels (in subjects they want) 5 mins up the road!

Besides the point, GAA clubs dress up money that they think they can get away with as expenses and travel! So they are corrupt bastards aswell?

blackwhite · 25-04-2019 3:03pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Went to school in Newry as why any kid would do the Leaving Cert when they can do A Levels (in subjects they want) 5 mins up the road!

Besides the point, GAA clubs dress up money that they think they can get away with as expenses and travel! So they are corrupt bastards aswell?

Yes - that was the point. they bury some of the costs where they can get away with it, and have means of keeping the remainder "off the books".

Congratulations on only needing three posts to understand it.

Utter Consternation · 25-04-2019 3:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmmm. Join Date: Apr 2019. Posts: 34. You sound very familiar with your patter and ad hominems so please go away and troll somewhere else.

I sometimes wonder if you're a parody account also.

dundalkfc10 · 25-04-2019 3:16pm

blackwhite wrote: »

Yes - that was the point. they bury some of the costs where they can get away with it, and have means of keeping the remainder "off the books".

Congratulations on only needing three posts to understand it.

So you agree the GAA's members are acting totally against the ethics of the organisation?

NIMAN · 25-04-2019 3:19pm

Jimmy_oc1998 wrote: »

GAA are a disgrace.

They go around all year with their hand out yet the clubs pay managers of intermediate clubs 15k a year.

And ban clubs for letting a charity soccer match be played on their pitches (which used to be soccer pitches a few short years ago).

blackwhite · 25-04-2019 3:23pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So you agree the GAA's members are acting totally against the ethics of the organisation?

A number of them are - yes.

Did it really take you four posts to understand that?? I'd be asking that school in Newry for their money back :pac:

Woke Hogan · 25-04-2019 3:24pm

Utter Consternation wrote: »

I sometimes wonder if you're a parody account also.

He’s probably the only poster whose name I remember around this place. His persistence in Irishing everything up reminds me of those Boston Celtic jersey clad “Irish-Americans” who contribute money to the IRA and pour scorn on the real Irishman who voted for anything vaguely progressive.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Fuaranach’s ancestors were a bowl of soup away from Fuaranach himself being a member of those ranks. Instead he’s in Ireland, lost in an identity crisis. Bashing the Brits and spekking de English, greenface make-up flaking.

€2m taxpayer funds for GAA facilities

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