1,000 marchers march against Gardai in Castlerea, Roscommon

WillieMason · 17-12-2018 2:30am #1

Garda having a bad time in Roscommon anyone have anymore info on what happened here?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/hundreds-protest-in-castlerea-over-men-s-alleged-assault-by-garda-1.3733223

GarIT · 17-12-2018 2:46am

WillieMason wrote: »

Garda having a bad time in Roscommon anyone have anymore info on what happened here?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/hundreds-protest-in-castlerea-over-men-s-alleged-assault-by-garda-1.3733223

Two men attacked a guard when he tried to stop them to question them. The guard fought back and 700 people went out to march because Roscommon is backwards as ****.

17-12-2018 3:05am

GarIT wrote: »

Two men attacked a guard when he tried to stop them to question them. The guard fought back and 700 people went out to march because Roscommon is backwards as ****.

The guards certainly have their own spin on it in the papers, id be careful believing all that is spun out to the crime reporters.

There is now way a couple of hundred people in a small town came out to support a pair of burglars.

There must be more to this story.

GarIT · 17-12-2018 3:22am

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

The guards certainly have their own spin on it in the papers, id be careful believing all that is spun out to the crime reporters.

There is now way a couple of hundred people in a small town came out to support a pair of burglars.

There must be more to this story.

I misread it at first, I don't think even the Gardaí have said they were burglars. Just that there was a burglary nearby and the gard tried to stop them to ask them about it. And they attacked the gard.

People that claim to be locals say the men were drunk.

ChikiChiki · 17-12-2018 3:29am

I'd take the word of a "holier than thou" relative over the Garda spin machine to be honest. Said relative would not be out marching for no reason.

Guy:Incognito · 17-12-2018 3:30am

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

There is now way a couple of hundred people in a small town came out to support a pair of burglars.

There must be more to this story.

And there's no way 50 people would queue up in court to shake the hand of someone convicted of sexually assaulting a woman.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/people-queued-to-shake-this-sex-attackers-hand-108061.html

12gauge dave · 17-12-2018 3:30am

Story ive heard is that gardai got word of a break in in a shop and these two local men were walking home from pub home as they have done a thousands of times and just happened to be walking in area of shop when garda arrived on scene, the garda started asking them what are they doing and where are they going etc and remember neither man was aware of break in and one of mens relations even owns shop, so older man walked away saying hes going home and garda striked him in head with battern and repeatedly hit him then younger man tried to pull garda off older man and they got into scuffle.
The garda is not very liked in area and is well known for being aggresive.
The men are not scangers or rough people in anyway and they were not aggresive towards garda ao i hear but again this is all heard through the grapevine and i am not a local of roscommon.

kneemos · 17-12-2018 6:08am

12gauge dave wrote: »

i am not a local of roscommon.

Very few are.

klaaaz · 17-12-2018 12:52pm

1,000 dissident members of the public have demonstrated showing dissent against alleged Garda brutality in their town. Their MEP Luke Ming Flanagan was in the march from the local Lidl to the Garda station.
The FFG mouthpiece the Indo and the state mouthpiece RTE have not reported on this significant event. This show of dissent has been reported in the Irish Times and the Sun above all places. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/hundreds-protest-in-castlerea-over-men-s-alleged-assault-by-garda-1.3733223
https://www.thesun.ie/news/3523690/protesters-roscommon-two-men-injured-in-cop-confrontation/
I do not recall such a mass demonstration against Gardai in a town in this country before, is this the beginning of the end for Garda authority and perhaps a sign that we need a new police force?

riffmongous · 17-12-2018 12:58pm

I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that before

klaaaz · 17-12-2018 1:54pm

riffmongous wrote: »

I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that before

It's quite astonishing! These were ordinary people in a small town in rural Ireland marching against the behaviour of their own police service

Guy:Incognito · 17-12-2018 2:16pm

Another thread on this, really?

Although the numbers have gone up to 4 figure now since the march. The lore is building.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 17-12-2018 2:23pm

Seems like normal people on the march.

pearcider · 17-12-2018 2:24pm

Interesting to see the various tensions building in advance of the hard brexit. AGS a farce with incompetent and corrupt management coupled with low morale in the grass roots. Morale at rock bottom in the defense forces. Can’t even get anyone to join the navy. Blue shirt zombie government completely out of touch in Dublin and sleep walking into disaster while our unelected Taoiseach is busy tweeting on nights out with celebs. Our Republic is walking into major trouble next year in my opinion. Anyway with half a brain can see it.

gctest50 · 17-12-2018 2:26pm

klaaaz wrote: »

1,000 dissident members of the public have demonstrated showing dissent against alleged Garda brutality in their town.

Great they could all get the day off at such short notice

Assetbacked · 17-12-2018 2:27pm

The town hasn't been this united since the campaign against gay marriage.

Plumbthedepths · 17-12-2018 2:28pm

Guy:Incognito wrote:

Although the numbers have gone up to 4 figure now since the march. The lore is building.

In fairness two newspapers are carrying varying figures. One states 700 and the other up to a 1000. Castlerea is a small provincial town. Even 500 people marching through the streets is a sizeable turnout and more distrubing when they are protesting against the Garda.

sbsquarepants · 17-12-2018 2:29pm

What is a dissident member of the public?

Mrsmum · 17-12-2018 2:32pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Great they could all get the day off at such short notice

It was a Sunday.

riffmongous · 17-12-2018 2:33pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Great they could all get the day off at such short notice

It was a Sunday

fryup · 17-12-2018 2:34pm

some irish just love playing the "victomhood" card

emo72 · 17-12-2018 2:34pm

Who decided to use the term "dissident". That's bizarre. Was everyone polled for their political views?

seamus · 17-12-2018 2:36pm

Easy to whip small towns into a "show of solidarity" without the full facts.

Remember when some of the population of a town shook the hand of a convicted rapist on their way out of a courtroom?

Also "Garda brutality" is a lovely way to whip up some anger.

It sounds like a case of mistaken identity that resulted im a Garda using force against the wrong people.

"Brutality" makes it sound like they're constantly dragging people off the streets to beat seven shades out of them. The word is used by people with a clear agenda.

randd1 · 17-12-2018 2:38pm

The obvious solution here for the people of Castlerea would be for the Gardaí to remove any presence of themselves from the town and remain vacant from the District until such a time as the people of Castlerea have come up with an alternative policing authority (locally sourced and funded by local taxes from within the Castlerea District area) that applies the letter of the law.

TCM · 17-12-2018 2:39pm

gctest50 wrote:

Great they could all get the day off at such short notice

Ohh, that's a realy witty retort.
By the way, the march was on a Sunday.

Plumbthedepths · 17-12-2018 2:40pm

gctest50 wrote:

Great they could all get the day off at such short notice

Could be because it was a Sunday.

riffmongous · 17-12-2018 2:40pm

seamus wrote: »

Easy to whip small towns into a "show of solidarity" without the full facts.

Remember when some of the population of a town shook the hand of a convicted rapist on their way out of a courtroom?

Also "Garda brutality" is a lovely way to whip up some anger.

It sounds like a case of mistaken identity that resulted im a Garda using force against the wrong people.

"Brutality" makes it sound like they're constantly dragging people off the streets to beat seven shades out of them. The word is used by people with a clear agenda.

is it really that easy though? How often are there such large protests against the Gardai?
Now personally I'm not too interested in the rights and wrongs of the particular incident but rather that so many people feel strongly enough about it and the Gardai to go out on the street

kneemos · 17-12-2018 2:42pm

There's obviously history here,not just one incident.

gctest50 · 17-12-2018 2:43pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

It was a Sunday.

Exactly, they just went for a stroll after mass.

Didn't really give up anything now did they ?

Mrsmum · 17-12-2018 2:43pm

seamus wrote: »

Easy to whip small towns into a "show of solidarity" without the full facts.

Far more likely that the locals know everything, from every angle including the people involved. That's what being local in a country area is all about. These weren't rent a crowd people like some protest in urban areas tend to have,

_Kaiser_ · 17-12-2018 2:43pm

riffmongous wrote: »

It was a Sunday

I do love when the predictable "unemployed waster" attempt to discredit any objections to how things are run in this country falls flat on its arse like this

Like most here I think, I don't know the full background to the case in question but I've seen the video and read/heard the coverage (side note : Newstalk really need to do something about their new entirely one-sided on everything breakfast team) and seeing the 2 Gardai stand watching while 2 men are physically dragged out the gate is disgraceful from our supposed law enforcement agency.

AGS is broken beyond redemption anyway IMO and this is yet another example. As I've said before, only a complete RUC/PSNI-style restructuring is going to restore general confidence in the organisation at this point.

fryup · 17-12-2018 2:45pm

its just you're typical "clanish siege" rural irish mentality

jimmycrackcorm · 17-12-2018 2:46pm

I'll bet they all marched after reading about the "news" on Facebook.

gctest50 · 17-12-2018 2:46pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

Far more likely that the locals know everything, from every angle including the people involved. That's what being local in a country area is all about........

Except when the local priest was at the alter boys.
Then they don't

Dyr · 17-12-2018 2:49pm

seamus wrote: »

Easy to whip small towns into a "show of solidarity" without the full facts.

Remember when some of the population of a town shook the hand of a convicted rapist on their way out of a courtroom?

Also "Garda brutality" is a lovely way to whip up some anger.

It sounds like a case of mistaken identity that resulted im a Garda using force against the wrong people.

"Brutality" makes it sound like they're constantly dragging people off the streets to beat seven shades out of them. The word is used by people with a clear agenda.

Mrsmum · 17-12-2018 2:50pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Except when the local priest was at the alter boys.
Then they don't

You must be really stuck for an opinion on the topic under debate.

Guy:Incognito · 17-12-2018 2:50pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I do love when the predictable "unemployed waster" attempt to discredit any objections to how things are run in this country falls flat on its arse like this

Like most here I think, I don't know the full background to the case in question but I've seen the video and read/heard the coverage (side note : Newstalk really need to do something about their new entirely one-sided on everything breakfast team) and seeing the 2 Gardai stand watching while 2 men are physically dragged out the gate is disgraceful from our supposed law enforcement agency.

AGS is broken beyond redemption anyway IMO and this is yet another example. As I've said before, only a complete RUC/PSNI-style restructuring is going to restore general confidence in the organisation at this point.

You're confused about what this thread is about.

Anyway, if people won't leave the banks house, all that's left is to drag them out.

As for not knowing the back story, sure when is that required before having a rant?

Danzy · 17-12-2018 2:50pm

Lots of good guards but there are an awful lot that are crooked.

Add in the many who have just become disillusioned and don't care.

We have had enough in the last few years to warrant a complete restructuring of the force.

Danzy · 17-12-2018 2:52pm

randd1 wrote: »

The obvious solution here for the people of Castlerea would be for the Gardaí to remove any presence of themselves from the town and remain vacant from the District until such a time as the people of Castlerea have come up with an alternative policing authority (locally sourced and funded by local taxes from within the Castlerea District area) that applies the letter of the law.

Or move towards having a functional force, a bit radical I know.

Plumbthedepths · 17-12-2018 2:52pm

Mrsmum wrote:

You must be really stuck for an opinion on the topic under debate.

I'm feeling embrassed for him now after his stupid attempt to protray them as wasters for marching on a Sunday.

Danzy · 17-12-2018 2:55pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Except when the local priest was at the alter boys.
Then they don't

Was there Justice Minister or Garda Commissioner in the last 90 years who wasn't aware of the industrial scale of abuse, the very most let it happen.

flas · 17-12-2018 2:56pm

People are mixing this case up with what happened with the eviction in strokesTown, not too far away. These are two separate cases

facehugger99 · 17-12-2018 3:01pm

Roscommon is a power keg, primed to explode.

kneemos · 17-12-2018 3:04pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Roscommon is a power keg, primed to explode.

On a Sunday.

klaaaz · 17-12-2018 3:19pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

What is a dissident member of the public?

emo72 wrote: »

Who decided to use the term "dissident". That's bizarre. Was everyone polled for their political views?

A dissident is a member of the public protesting against state authority and in this case the Gardai.

PabloAndRoy · 17-12-2018 3:31pm

There is probably no smoke without fire.

If 500+ people are publicly protesting against the local Gardai, then something is almost certainly rotten in Denmark.

As I understand it, a shop burglary was reported, two men walking home nearby were stopped by the Guards. Skirmish ensues. Locals shout about police heavy handedness. This is what we know, yes?

While it it seems not good, I am surprised that an isolated incident such as this on its own would bring out 500 people protesting the local Gardai. This kind of thing happens in Ireland every now and again and the town do not uprise. I wonder if there have been other previous incidents in the town or whether a member of the local Gardai is a bit of a cnut with a temper.

Would like to hear from a local maybe?

PabloAndRoy · 17-12-2018 3:34pm

klaaaz wrote: »

A dissident is a member of the public protesting against state authority and in this case the Gardai.

I don't think that is what dissident means. It is not protesting authority, more protesting policy. So in this case the use of the word is incorrect.

Ray Bloody Purchase · 17-12-2018 3:38pm

klaaaz wrote: »

A dissident is a member of the public protesting against state authority and in this case the Gardai.

Excellent. What is a 'dissedent' though? I saw a lot of people changed their middle name to this on Facebook during the whole water charges fiasco.

Dreadful affair.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 17-12-2018 3:39pm

Was that pot smoker ming there with his greasy hair and smelly wooly jumper? Shrieking away in to a megaphone.

Ray Bloody Purchase · 17-12-2018 3:40pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Was that pot smoker ming there with his greasy hair and smelly wooly jumper? Shrieking away in to a megaphone.

Rousing the rabble so that he can continue collecting the big pay cheque over in Europe.

Standing up for the little man. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

PabloAndRoy · 17-12-2018 3:42pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Was that pot smoker ming there with his greasy hair and smelly wooly jumper? Shrieking away in to a megaphone.

Ah yes.. feckin' hippies. Lets point the finger at pot smoking Ming. Maybe he beat up the Garda.

1,000 marchers march against Gardai in Castlerea, Roscommon

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