Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

11-06-2019 10:47am

cgcsb wrote:

If you aren't gay though, you don't really have a valid view on the matter, how could you, you've never been excluded from anything on the basis of sexuality.

If you aren't gay your opinion isn't valid because you aren't excluded because of your sexuality?

....riiiight.

11-06-2019 10:48am

cgcsb wrote: »

You would have a point other than the lgbt union cup has plenty of straight participants. It isn't an exclusionary event, it's merely one that specifically supports gay people in sports, who otherwise often face intimidation and abuse. If you aren't gay though, you don't really have a valid view on the matter, how could you, you've never been excluded from anything on the basis of sexuality.

That bit there, that's your problem. That's a pretty good illustration of the worst bit about persecution complexes and another good reason for regular folk not interested in drama to roll their eyes and walk away.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 10:51am

DrPhilG wrote: »

Nope, there has definitely been a push towards a kind of anti-right wing solidarity. E.g.

https://www.attitude.co.uk/article/members-of-the-lgbt-community-must-stand-behind-under-fire-muslims/19858/

I understand on a basic level, one persecuted group standing alongside another. But the fact remains that Islam has an even harder line against homosexuality than Christianity, but I've never seen any LGBT groups standing against persecution of Christians (which is on the rise globally).

To be clear, I wouldn't expect LGBT groups to stand along side Christians if those Christians say that homosexuality is sinful. But I'm confused as to why they do stand alongside Islam. Yes of course there are Muslim groups who play down traditional Islam's condemnation of homosexuality and even some groups of "queer Muslims" etc. But there are Christian groups of the same mindset.

Well first of all, gay people across the world don't actually have identical opinions.

Not wanting people to be attacked or discriminated against because they are muslims is a very different prospect than supporting extremist Islam

Also, some people are stupid and inconsistent. Case and point, a friend of mine who is a vegan, wouldn't eat an egg because it's immoral, supports human abortion on demand, except sex selective abortions, because of female empowerment or some such thing. She's also not gay, some people just don't think out their opinions properly.

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2019 10:53am

JayZeus wrote: »

No, it's not. Just because Seamus is out to score brownie points doesn't mean he's right.

Simple fact is, most people just couldn't care less. Do what you do, let me do what I do, stop making a big bloody deal out of things and give over expecting me to applaud you being you.

That's it, in a nutshell.

Pride? Yawn.

for people who couldn;t care less you and others spend a lot of time here telling how much you couldn't care less. and nobody is expecting applause, least of all from you.

kunst nugget · 11-06-2019 10:55am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I can't understand the mindset of people who bring kids to events like a gay parade, just why?

Sexuality is an adult concern. I couldn't care less about anyones sexuality bar my own. I have no desire to oppress yours but I also have no desire to celebrate it, praise it or advance it. I just don't care, it's none of my business.

My daughters are 14 and 10. The 14 year old has gay friends and wanted to go in solidarity so we went with her and brought the youngest with us. It actually turned out to be a very family friendly day. Myself and my wife use to go to many gay friendly nights up in Dublin before we moved to the sticks 16 years ago so people being LGBT has never really been an issue for us. We had friends who struggled with their sexuality over the years and we're happy to show our kids that it doesn't matter who you are or who you love just as long as you're happy in your own skin. Like I said, I grew up around some very homophobic people so I'd rather my kids saw the other side of the picture tbh.

Fan of Netflix · 11-06-2019 10:56am

Surely 1 day would suffice, when is the actual parade and the month etc on? I have no real issue with it even though I'm religious although would have thought a Friday to Sunday 3 day thing would do the job.

I also don't agree with the Gardai having it on their car for several reasons, copying UK police. Think it really demeans their position to be engaging in this type of twitter nonsense like the Brits and having spats on twitter in the comments. But then I don't agree with a lot of things the Gardai do so.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 10:56am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I can't understand the mindset of people who bring kids to events like a gay parade, just why?

The colours, the music etc, also adults who aren't homophobic don't have an issue with their children seeing people who are gay.

I was in Grand Canaria Pride a while ago and there was this straight couple with a toddler watching, the wee lad loved it. Some big muscley Spanish chaps with all the leather police gear came by and made such a fuss over the boy waving at him and making faces, he was loving life. :pac:

You see, non 'phobes can be quite happy.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 10:58am

JayZeus wrote: »

No, it's not. Just because Seamus is out to score brownie points doesn't mean he's right.

Simple fact is, most people just couldn't care less. Do what you do, let me do what I do, stop making a big bloody deal out of things and give over expecting me to applaud you being you.

That's it, in a nutshell.

Pride? Yawn.

Basically the phobes want gay people to not have visibility, but are happy with the continuing daily bombardment of heterosexuality we've to deal with daily.

kunst nugget · 11-06-2019 10:59am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Surely 1 day would suffice, when is the actual parade and the month etc on? I have no real issue with it even though I'm religious although would have thought a Friday to Sunday 3 day thing would do the job.

I also don't agree with the Gardai having it on their car for several reasons, copying UK police. Think it really demeans their position to be engaging in this type of twitter nonsense like the Brits and having spats on twitter in the comments. But then I don't agree with a lot of things the Gardai do so.

The Pride March is only on Saturday 29th June. Corporations are making it a Pride month to milk as much out of it as possible.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 10:59am

Deleted User wrote: »

If you aren't gay your opinion isn't valid because you aren't excluded because of your sexuality?

....riiiight.

Your opinion on lgbt rugby leagues, yeah it's pretty non-valid, neither sought nor required.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 11:00am

JayZeus wrote: »

That bit there, that's your problem. That's a pretty good illustration of the worst bit about persecution complexes and another good reason for regular folk not interested in drama to roll their eyes and walk away.

But you won't walk away will you? You'll keep gabbing about your vulnerable throat being penetrated.

11-06-2019 11:01am

cgcsb wrote: »

Your opinion on lgbt rugby leagues, yeah it's pretty non-valid, neither sought nor required.

Who are you to decide whether or not my opinion is valid?

Fan of Netflix · 11-06-2019 11:02am

cgcsb wrote: »

The colours, the music etc, also adults who aren't homophobic don't have an issue with their children seeing people who are gay.

I was in Grand Canaria Pride a while ago and there was this straight couple with a toddler watching, the wee lad loved it. Some big muscley Spanish chaps with all the leather police gear came by and made such a fuss over the boy waving at him and making faces, he was loving life. :pac:

You see, non 'phobes can be quite happy.

I think it's the sexual aspect really, it's not really a place for children in many countries. I don't think it's prudish to object to children seeing it. Is it PG rating stuff. I don't know about the Dublin one.

Think it may be more productive if there was more done to help children being bullied than bringing them to the parade.

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2019 11:03am

JayZeus wrote: »

That bit there, that's your problem. That's a pretty good illustration of the worst bit about persecution complexes and another good reason for regular folk not interested in drama to roll their eyes and walk away.

if lgbt people have a persecution complex it is because they have been persecuted. I'm old enough to remember when me having sex was illegal so away with your ****e.

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2019 11:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

Who are you to decide whether or not my opinion is valid?

everybody has the right to decide if your opinion is valid and your opinion on anything lgbt is invalid because it comes from a place of bigotry and hatred

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 11:06am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I think it's the sexual aspect really, it's not really a place for children in many countries. I don't think it's prudish to object to children seeing it. Is it PG rating stuff. I don't know about the Dublin one.

Think it may be more productive if there was more done to help children being bullied than bringing them to the parade.

The only ones I've seen with full on nudity was in Toronto, everything in North America is quite extreme.

In Europe there's the odd risqué costume, but nothing you wouldn't see in a music video.

I don't view nudity is a non-PG myself but native English speakers tend to have Victorian style views on the subject.

jmayo · 11-06-2019 11:06am

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I saw the Gardai Today said they were taking part in Dublin pride later this month and they showed some cars they transformed for the event.
Personally myself I'm not doing anything for the month. I know a few people who'll probably attend Dublin pride.
I know the event is becoming more and more popular with families in the last few years. Mostly with people close to the events. Is there anybody here travelling with their family to LGBTQ events this year?
Or is it something that you've to do in your work place?

Mod Note Keep homophobia out of this thread!

I would much rather if the guards actually spent money on patrolling our streets rather than tarting up some cars so that their press office can just shout look at us and how progressive we are.

Hell some of those patrols might actually help some gay person who is being subjected to abuse because of their sexuality.

11-06-2019 11:06am

cgcsb wrote: »

But you won't walk away will you? You'll keep gabbing about your vulnerable throat being penetrated.

Wrong poster. Hot head.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 11:07am

Deleted User wrote: »

Who are you to decide whether or not my opinion is valid?

were you asked for it?

biko · 11-06-2019 11:08am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

everybody has the right to decide if your opinion is valid

I deem your opinion invalid.

Did it work?

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2019 11:10am

biko wrote: »

I deem your opinion invalid.

Did it work?

define "work". i dont care that you find it invalid.

Fan of Netflix · 11-06-2019 11:10am

I see Pride Toronto has banned police from taking part in this years parade. Thats interesting.

11-06-2019 11:13am

biko wrote: »

I deem your opinion invalid.

Did it work?

Only if you're an LGBTQ everyone. The rest of us are 'phobes' and our opinions are invalid.

11-06-2019 11:14am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Maybe they are.
Sexuality is still an adult concern, kids should not be involved.

We have crossed paths with events of this nature in Germany and UK before and were happy to have our children there. We did not play up the sexuality aspect of it all that much and most to all of what we saw did not either.

I kinda parsed it for them as an "everybody is different" parade when they asked what was going on. I told them that being "different" has historically been very hard for people - and for many people still is. And parades like this were for people to get together and be happy that being different is getting easier and easier - and to be proud that they are different.

For me though I am not black and white - zero or one - on the idea of children and sexuality. I think sexuality _is_ a concern for children but it is up to us as Adults to decide how and at what rate we feed it to them and introduce it to them.

I have never personally been of the parenting method where children should be protected from sexuality entirely until some arbitrary date and then you hit them with the whole lot in one go. From age 4 I started introducing in small ways the concepts of sex and sexuality to my children - and sex and sexuality continues to be an ongoing, developing and iterative conversation with them from then on.

I think it is too hard to think "Children should not be involved". They already are. Sexuality is permeated through all our media pretty much. It is in how we dress them. Entertain them. Communicate with them. And many children already are involved as they are the children of gay parents or know someone who is - or they are being bullied by their peers with gay slurs even from a young age before many of the kids using those slurs - or the targets of those slurs - even know what the words mean.

11-06-2019 11:17am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

everybody has the right to decide if your opinion is valid and your opinion on anything lgbt is invalid because it comes from a place of bigotry and hatred

Pardon? You are completely incorrect. And I'd appreciate it if you retracted that accusation.

Ten of Swords · 11-06-2019 11:17am

jmayo wrote: »

I would much rather if the guards actually spent money on patrolling our streets rather than tarting up some cars so that their press office can just shout look at us and how progressive we are.

Hell some of those patrols might actually help some gay person who is being subjected to abuse because of their sexuality.

Yeah, I heard that if they hadn't 'tarted up the 2 cars' they could have hired 600 more Gardai and set up a dedicated anti-gang unit as well with the money they'd save :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2019 11:18am

Deleted User wrote: »

Pardon? You are completely incorrect. And I'd appreciate it if you retracted that accusation.

retract it? not a hope.

11-06-2019 11:18am

cgcsb wrote: »

were you asked for it?

I'm not sure you understand how discussion boards work.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 11:19am

Lehiff wrote: »

Nope. No time for such degeneracy

thanks for joining ant telling us

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 11:20am

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Yeah, I heard that if they hadn't 'tarted up the 2 cars' they could have hired 600 more Gardai and set up a dedicated anti-gang unit as well with the money they'd save :rolleyes:

wha' abou' de homeless!!! :pac:

11-06-2019 11:21am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

retract it? not a hope.

Righteo so. Well just for clarification, I completely reject your baseless accusation of bigotry and hatred against the LGBT community.

kunst nugget · 11-06-2019 11:22am

cgcsb wrote: »

wha' abou' de homeless!!! :pac:

Don't you mean the homoless?

sbsquarepants · 11-06-2019 11:23am

kunst nugget wrote: »

Like I said, I grew up around some very homophobic people so I'd rather my kids saw the other side of the picture tbh.

Well that's probably where we differ so, I didn't grow up around such people.

cgcsb wrote: »

The colours, the music etc, also adults who aren't homophobic don't have an issue with their children seeing people who are gay.
.

I have no issue with my kids seeing people who are gay, I have gay friends, I have gay family - there's nothing to see here folks, they're just regular people like you and me.

But why don't we go to town and party the day away in celebration of how fantastic they are. Eh, cos they're just regular people....like you and me!

I'm all for equality. But equality means equality not a month long celebration of your very existence like it's somehow important.

I see no reason to celebrate my own sexuality, I certainly see no reason to celebrate anyone elses! And the whole oppression hand is very much overplayed at this stage - homosexuality may well have been illegal until recently but I'd be fairly safe in betting you don't know anyone who was actually charged with it!
The same sex marriage referendum was overwhelmingly passed by the Irish electorate (including myself) - build a bridge ffs no one is oppressing you!

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2019 11:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

Righteo so. Well just for clarification, I completely reject your baseless accusation of bigotry and hatred against the LGBT community.

luckily for me i didn't make one.

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2019 11:24am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Well that's probably where we differ so, I didn't grow up around such people.

I have no issue with my kids seeing people who are gay, I have gay friends, I have gay family - there's nothing to see here folks, they're just regular people like you and me.

But why don't we go to town and party the day away in celebration of how fantastic they are. Eh, cos they're just regular people....like you and me!

I'm all for equality. But equality means equality not a month long celebration of your very existence like it's somehow important.

I see no reason to celebrate my own sexuality, I certainly see no reason to celebrate anyone elses! And the whole oppression hand is very much overplayed at this stage - homosexuality may well have been illegal until recently but I'd be fairly safe in betting you don't know anyone who was actually charged with it!
The same sex marriage referendum was overwhelmingly passed by the Irish electorate (including myself) - build a bridge ffs no one is oppressing you!

so you are saying that homophobia no longer exists in irish society? I'm pretty sure it still does and see no reason to stop pride events. there is no obligation on you to attend or take part in any way. feel free to ignore it.

11-06-2019 11:26am

jmayo wrote: »

I would much rather if the guards actually spent money on patrolling our streets rather than tarting up some cars so that their press office can just shout look at us and how progressive we are.

First - I would be wondering what the cost of the "tarting" actually was before I would be making such protests. If we are talking 5 euro here I am not sure that carries your point. If it was 500 euro I would still be sceptical as this is a drop in the ocean of the costs of policing over all.

Second - the police will be doing work during the events I am sure. There are always elements in large events of this sort who like to target the police. Any cheap stickering of their cards that make the police look a part of the event and so less of a target - is going to help their work.

Third - making our police look supportive of minority and alternative communities is also over all a good thing. Especially if historically crimes against those groups were for any reason under reported. Stickering the cars in this way for such an event is a useful and cheap way to make the police look inclusive and approachable and understanding of such communities and hence make them seem a more viable option to those who have suffered crimes.

Fourth - there is going to be homosexuals _within_ the force too. Just like there is in armies. Making external signals of inclusion during an event like pride is also sending a community message _within_ the force too. Which alone is worth a small bit of money and effort invested.

I like when police forces humanise themselves in ways that stop them seeming like some group of "other". Especially when they do so in ways that go viral as videos. There have been some great dance and flash mob and Hakka videos from the police around the world.

11-06-2019 11:27am

ohnonotgmail wrote:

everybody has the right to decide if your opinion is valid and your opinion on anything lgbt is invalid because it comes from a place of bigotry and hatred

ohnonotgmail wrote:

luckily for me i didn't make one.

O....k.

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2019 11:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

O....k.

feel free to report my posts.

gibgodsman · 11-06-2019 11:30am

An Entire Month? Why? What celebration needs an entire month? Cool, your part of the LGBTQ community, here is your sticker, now you do you and ill do me.

kunst nugget · 11-06-2019 11:34am

I work in an area that voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage and I was chatting to someone recently in the area who was talking about the awful burden one poor mother had from one of her sons having Down Syndrome and the other one being gay. And of course they were sick of hearing about the gays the whole time during the referendum and the real reason they voted against the marriage referendum wasn't because the didn't like the gays, not at all, it's just they'd end up getting all the adopted kids and sure could you trust them with kids with their lifestyles. All this sort of stuff didn't magically disappear when gay marriage came in.

That said, stretching Pride out for the whole month is probably just going to make these sort of people a whole lot more reactionary.

jmayo · 11-06-2019 11:34am

IMHO there are a fair few round here that just need to get laid.
With whoever.

And any month you damn well please.

It might actually make them a bit nicer to others and not come across as insufferable ar**holes.

11-06-2019 11:34am

gibgodsman wrote: »

What celebration needs an entire month?

Reading the thread I think people have the parade in their mind - and they are imagining a whole month of that!

But actually having a month long festival - or even much longer - spread over multiple dates across multiple venues - sometimes multiple counties of Ireland - is not at all uncommon. It happens all the time.

There are food festivals - comedy festivals - cultural festivals - and much more that last days, weeks and even much longer happening quite often.

Take as a random example the festivals related to when a country in Ireland gets nominated for the "cultural capital of europe" award. Events related to that go on for quite some time.

So really I would be less worried about them doing this for a month and more interested in knowing _what_ They are doing for the month - where - when - and how. If it is a rugby tournament over there - an exhibition in an art house over there - some party thing in a pub or club over there - a single parade here - I warrant over all you will remain unaware of 95% of it unless you were actively checking the time tables or entertainment.ie

MarkY91 · 11-06-2019 11:36am

Since when is it a month? That's madness.

Even a weekend is stretching it

11-06-2019 11:39am

Deleted User wrote: »

First - I would be wondering what the cost of the "tarting" actually was before I would be making such protests. If we are talking 5 euro here I am not sure that carries your point. If it was 500 euro I would still be sceptical as this is a drop in the ocean of the costs of policing over all.

Second - the Gardaí will be doing work during the events I am sure. There are always elements in large events of this sort who like to target the Gardaí. Any cheap stickering of their cards that make the police look a part of the event and so less of a target - is going to help their work.

Third - making the Gardaí look supportive of minority and alternative communities is also over all a good thing. Especially if historically crimes against those groups were for any reason under reported. Stickering the cars in this way for such an event is a useful and cheap way to make the Gardaí look inclusive and approachable and understanding of such communities and hence make them seem a more viable option to those who have suffered crimes.

Fourth - there is going to be homosexuals _within_ the Gardaí too. Just like there is in armies. Making external signals of inclusion during an event like pride is also sending a community message _within_ the Gardaí too. Which alone is worth a small bit of money and effort invested.

I like when police forces humanise themselves in ways that stop them seeming like some group of "other". Especially when they do so in ways that go viral as videos. There have been some great dance and flash mob and Hakka videos from the police around the world.

Gardaí. And they have a job to do. They're not there to entertain you with social media viral crap.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 11:39am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I have no issue with my kids seeing people who are gay, I have gay friends, I have gay family - there's nothing to see here folks, they're just regular people like you and me.

But why don't we go to town and party the day away in celebration of how fantastic they are. Eh, cos they're just regular people....like you and me!

I'm all for equality. But equality means equality not a month long celebration of your very existence like it's somehow important.

I see no reason to celebrate my own sexuality, I certainly see no reason to celebrate anyone elses! And the whole oppression hand is very much overplayed at this stage - homosexuality may well have been illegal until recently but I'd be fairly safe in betting you don't know anyone who was actually charged with it!
The same sex marriage referendum was overwhelmingly passed by the Irish electorate (including myself) - build a bridge ffs no one is oppressing you!

I think what you're not getting is, we don't have to be legally oppressed to celebrate pride. The celebration isn't a celebration of our sexuality per say, but rather our freedom to express such and of course it's also an outward celebration of gay culture.

As for the whole Pride Month thing, it's really only a week of events in Dublin. The parade falls on different dates all over the world and most of the non-Dublin pride events are not in June. Not that the gays have to consult you with their programe of events. There are pride parades/celebrations in:

Belfast, Larne, Derry, Newry, Dundalk, Sligo, Castlebar, Drogheda, Galway, Limerick, Lisdoonvarna, Thurles, Waterford and Cork. None of them are in June afaik.

Baggly · 11-06-2019 11:39am

Mod

The Dunne and ohnonotgmail. Gather yourselves. Any more bickering and off topic posting and its thread bans and/or cards.

sbsquarepants · 11-06-2019 11:40am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you are saying that homophobia no longer exists in irish society? I'm pretty sure it still does and see no reason to stop pride events. there is no obligation on you to attend or take part in any way. feel free to ignore it.

I'm sure it does to some extent and I'm sure it always will to some extent.

Pro Life Tip: A certain percentage of the human population are arseholes, this is an immutable fact of life.

As a group homosexuals are not oppressed in this country. Look at the marriage equality result, look at the Taoiseach, The minister for Children - Ireland is just not a homophobic place as a whole.

jmayo · 11-06-2019 11:41am

Deleted User wrote: »

First - I would be wondering what the cost of the "tarting" actually was before I would be making such protests. If we are talking 5 euro here I am not sure that carries your point. If it was 500 euro I would still be sceptical as this is a drop in the ocean of the costs of policing over all.

Knowing the guards this is way more than a €5.
And don't worry I think there is lots of other wastage of money that should be better spent.

I want more foot patrols, more car patrols that actually help people on the ground.
Be they old people living alone, be they young kids set upon by gangs, be they some poor ones like the two women on the public transport in London just attacked for being gay.

Deleted User wrote: »

Second - the police will be doing work during the events I am sure. There are always elements in large events of this sort who like to target the police. Any cheap stickering of their cards that make the police look a part of the event and so less of a target - is going to help their work.

Third - making our police look supportive of minority and alternative communities is also over all a good thing. Especially if historically crimes against those groups were for any reason under reported. Stickering the cars in this way for such an event is a useful and cheap way to make the police look inclusive and approachable and understanding of such communities and hence make them seem a more viable option to those who have suffered crimes.

Fourth - there is going to be homosexuals _within_ the force too. Just like there is in armies. Making external signals of inclusion during an event like pride is also sending a community message _within_ the force too. Which alone is worth a small bit of money and effort invested.

I like when police forces humanise themselves in ways that stop them seeming like some group of "other". Especially when they do so in ways that go viral as videos. There have been some great dance and flash mob and Hakka videos from the police around the world.

It is all just optics.
Call me old school, I like substance over image.

11-06-2019 11:42am

JayZeus wrote: »

Gardaí. And they have a job to do. They're not there to entertain you with social media viral crap.

I select my wording carefully. If you want to make posts using different words that's grand. Leave me to mine. I was not limiting my words to just Ireland - hence my very intentional use of a more international nomenclature. So nothing at all wrong with the word I used.

As for them having a job to do - if you had bothered reading my post rather than getting triggered by a single word in the post - you would have noticed that most of my points was about their job and how things like this can actively help them do it.

Nor - finally - did I say they were there to entertain me. What I actually said was I like that some of the things they do in the media humanise them. Because this - as I said - likely benefits them in many ways in their work. Nothing whatsoever to do with their entertaining me. Everything to do with them being part of our culture and our society and not something that should be held seperate to it.

TLDR - way to miss the point(s) dude.

cgcsb · 11-06-2019 11:45am

JayZeus wrote: »

Gardaí. And they have a job to do. They're not there to entertain you with social media viral crap.

They have a marching band in the paddys day parade. Should that be stopped?

Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

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