Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious · 02-06-2020 10:34pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Because the armed and masked militias who invaded government buildings in Michigan a month ago were white. Imagine if they were black? Shudder.

One message that came out loud and clear from the incident was that the white woman the armed group intended to impress wasn't, she stuck [pun] to her guns.

Nody · 02-06-2020 10:48pm

Well the Democrats lost last election because their base could not be bothered to go and vote on Hillary; I think Trump is making an excellent case for why the base should be going out en mass come the next election to vote the buffoon in chief out of office. All the democrats should be replaying is the photos from what's going on now with the text "Do you want 4 more years of this?". Economy tanked? Check. Failed to deliver new medicare? Check. Failed to make any deals? Check. Fanned racism? Check. I'm sure for existing Trump supporters this is all they asked for but for the wider country in general Trump is doing a great job of losing his job by his own actions and fragile ego.

Banner fights back · 02-06-2020 10:56pm

At the start of the year, things were going according to plan for Trump. The economy was in great shape. Unemployment was low. There was that botched Iowa democratic caucus. The markets were stable.

However from January things turned. Tensions with Iran soared and both countries were exceptionally close to a full blown war. The anti war brigade quickly turned on the President.

Then covid 19 struck. His dismissive rhetoric of the virus being "a hoax" and his general laissez faire attitude towards what would become to be the biggest global health emergency since the Spanish flu, hugely backfired on Mr Trump. Over 100,000 fatalities. 1.8 million confirmed cases.

The subsequent restrictions by state governors to reduce the spread of the virus, has costed the jobs of millions of Americans, 40 million plus to be precise. Added to Trump's slowness in dealing with this this unprecedented modern health pandemic and his lack of empathy and compassion with those grieving a loss of a loved one was deeply disturbing.

Then the death of George Floyd. This issue of racial injustice and discrimination has been longer talked about for decades now. But you just feel that the death of Mr Floyd by a white police officer has touched a raw nerve with the American nation.

Years of neglect, been disproportionately affected with been treated as second class citizens to an elitist while dominated political class and of course police brutality has not only made African - Americans angry but other minorities feeling that sense of no hope, no respect, no one supporting their cause and rights.

Mr Trump is sadly the problem in all this. As a President of America and leader of the free world he had a huge opportunity to show real leadership and compassion and give hope to so many who feel disenchanted and hurt among many feelings about the direction of the nation. But he choose the combative abrasive way, the likes of what any other white supremacist would in dealing with civil unrest over race issues.

What happened last night was an appalling miscalculation on the part of Trump and his inner circle. To say that would backfire on him would be an understatement with his threats to send the military in the streets. Even the conservative Christian hierarchy were up in arms over his holding of the bible, the lowest form a pr stunt that you will see in a democratic western country.

When Trump came to power, the narrative was it would be a scorn to the anti establishment and Mr Trump would bring something different and new to American poltics. What we have seen is arguably the most extraordinary polarisation of American society since the days of the American apartheid.

Since the Charlottesville demonstrations and the subsequent defence of the far right and fascists and their provocative and dangerous actions on that day proved that Trump was a most dangerous threat to the country. It will the most damning indictment for a proud nation of America if Trump gets his cherished second term in the White House. That would be a catastrophe for America and world peace.

Finally I would to strongly condemn the attacks on journalists just doing their job and providing such outstanding journalism throughout the last week. Press freedom in the world in general is gradually being eroded and if America go down that road of supression then what hope is their for democracy and all the freedoms that come with it.

Foxtrol · 02-06-2020 11:00pm

Big protests in DC heading towards the White House and you can see the embarrassing showmanship of the army rolling into town with completely unnecessary gun turrets.

https://twitter.com/TMannWSJ/status/1267916919765688320?s=20

https://twitter.com/IanSams/status/1267925704399892489?s=20

https://twitter.com/mariselapenny/status/1267907351954231298?s=20

eire4 · 02-06-2020 11:03pm

When it comes to polling the poles leading into the last presidential election were accurate. They suggested Clinton would win by a few points which is what happened. The fact she lost the election is a whole separate issue focused on the electoral college which can and does sometimes overturn the vote of the people in regards to who becomes president.

listermint · 02-06-2020 11:04pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

I don't need to.

Here, have an armed black militia "invading" a legislature.
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/73/03/31/15480412/5/rawImage.jpg
At the height of the civil rights era, no less, when blacks -really- made people nervous.
https://capweekly-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Black-Panther-with-shotgun-634x321.jpg
The State Police officer here seems rather unconcerned.
https://i.redd.it/k15zbfs130921.png

Too old? How about last month? A couple of days after the predominantly white folks showed up at the Michican legislature with guns, so did some black folks.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c57493fd06ee5c9751b9d9f58472e7150eb03f48/0_1731_3024_2147/master/3024.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&

Be peaceful, obey the law, nobody gets into trouble. Seems a rather simple concept devoid of race. Don't forget Rule 1 of Chris Rock's "How not to get your ass beat by the police" video. It is an entirely unrelated and separate incident.

I wouldn't be, but apparently that dad is OK with the possibility, or he wouldn't have brought the child along.

Rubbish. Here's the larger version. https://twitter.com/richardgrant88/status/1267523353289474048/photo/1 Wonder why the father/child are in perfect focus yet the policeman supposedly right in front of him isn't? They cannot be about the same distance from the camera. He's looking exactly the same direction as the man to his right, also out of frame. The only person who might be looking at dad/daughter is the chap in the background, his head turned towards the left.

Sometimes I think you're being disingenuous, then there's times I know you are.

If at any point in your life you ponder and think if a black guy doing what the guy in the video you responded to would have been treated exactly the same on a white protest , then I suggest you sit back and really sit on it for a while.

Your links are laughable, I suspect you know this but sure look that's what happens when a little piece of metal machinery capable of taking out an entire school of children in under half an hour means more to you than as actual life.

eire4 · 02-06-2020 11:07pm

Banner fights back wrote: »

At the start of the year, things were going according to plan for Trump. The economy was in great shape. Unemployment was low. There was that botched Iowa democratic caucus. The markets were stable.

However from January things turned. Tensions with Iran soared and both countries were exceptionally close to a full blown war. The anti war brigade quickly turned on the President.

Then covid 19 struck. His dismissive rhetoric of the virus being "a hoax" and his general laissez faire attitude towards what would become to be the biggest global health emergency since the Spanish flu, hugely backfired on Mr Trump. Over 100,000 fatalities. 1.8 million confirmed cases.

The subsequent restrictions by state governors to reduce the spread of the virus, has costed the jobs of millions of Americans, 40 million plus to be precise. Added to Trump's slowness in dealing with this this unprecedented modern health pandemic and his lack of empathy and compassion with those grieving a loss of a loved one was deeply disturbing.

Then the death of George Floyd. This issue of racial injustice and discrimination has been longer talked about for decades now. But you just feel that the death of Mr Floyd by a white police officer has touched a raw nerve with the American nation.

Years of neglect, been disproportionately affected with been treated as second class citizens to an elitist while dominated political class and of course police brutality has not only made African - Americans angry but other minorities feeling that sense of no hope, no respect, no one supporting their cause and rights.

Mr Trump is sadly the problem in all this. As a President of America and leader of the free world he had a huge opportunity to show real leadership and compassion and give hope to so many who feel disenchanted and hurt among many feelings about the direction of the nation. But he choose the combative abrasive way, the likes of what any other white supremacist would in dealing with civil unrest over race issues.

What happened last night was an appalling miscalculation on the part of Trump and his inner circle. To say that would backfire on him would be an understatement with his threats to send the military in the streets. Even the conservative Christian hierarchy were up in arms over his holding of the bible, the lowest form a pr stunt that you will see in a democratic western country.

When Trump came to power, the narrative was it would be a scorn to the anti establishment and Mr Trump would bring something different and new to American poltics. What we have seen is arguably the most extraordinary polarisation of American society since the days of the American apartheid.

Since the Charlottesville demonstrations and the subsequent defence of the far right and fascists and their provocative and dangerous actions on that day proved that Trump was a most dangerous threat to the country. It will the most damning indictment for a proud nation of America if Trump gets his cherished second term in the White House. That would be a catastrophe for America and world peace.

Finally I would to strongly condemn the attacks on journalists just doing their job and providing such outstanding journalism throughout the last week. Press freedom in the world in general is gradually being eroded and if America go down that road of supression then what hope is their for democracy and all the freedoms that come with it.

After the 2016 election I said to many people that if the US get themselves into a genuine national crisis while they have a dangerous demagogue with authoritarian leanings in office then they are in massive trouble as it will be a disaster and sadly I have been shown to be on the ball in that observation since the turn of the year when first we have the global pandemic crisis and now within the US the crisis over police brutality and violence against minorities.

eire4 · 02-06-2020 11:11pm

listermint wrote: »

Sometimes I think you're being disingenuous, then there's times I know you are.

If at any point in your life you ponder and think if a black guy doing what the guy in the video you responded to would have been treated exactly the same on a white protest , then I suggest you sit back and really sit on it for a while.

Your links are laughable, I suspect you know this but sure look that's what happens when a little piece of metal machinery capable of taking out an entire school of children in under half an hour means more to you than as actual life.

Sadly to many people in the US guns and or profits matter more then people do and matter more then people no matter the cost in human lives and or misery.

aloyisious · 02-06-2020 11:43pm

For what it's worth, places other than cities in the U.S were hit by trouble over the weekend. I've just watched a video on F/B which seems to have been an "advisory" sent out by the townsfolk of some town not far from Spokane, Washington State. According to the title screed, the narrator is Ray Robles King and he warned people not to mess with the locals, showing several dozen armed people on the main street sidewalks watching out for signs of outsiders intent on causing trouble. The narrator mentions rumours of troublemakers coming from Spokan [his accent] so I reckon its Spokane, which had its troubles over the past weekend, Sunday & Monday before curfew was ordered by its mayor. No mention was made of politics during the video, just a broad hint that the locals were not going to take trouble from out of towners quietly. I didn't try to get a link to the video for the post, just gave the narrators name which should be enough. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jun/01/15-arrests-made-in-sundays-disturbances-in-downtow/

Manic Moran · 02-06-2020 11:51pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Didn't they change open carry laws in the state after that or similar event of black men carrying weapons?

They did, indeed. Not the high point of the California State Legislature or the NRA.

They were doing that last night and yet Trump ordered the crowd attacked for a photo op.

Again, 'Don't tread on me' crowd would be still screaming about it if it happened to a group of them or their supporters. Complete hypocrites

Fair. This may surprise you, but conservatives aren't particularly happy with it either. Responses vary from a weaker statement of "Unforced error" by Trump to have a "propoganda picture" taken (on one gun forum I'm on) to conservative news sites looking to investigate what happened. When Daily Caller is apparently approvingly quoting Schumer and Clinton and noting that the Park Police aren't being forthcoming with an explanation, I think it's fair to say that there is some discontent over that instance. https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/02/united-states-park-police-tear-gas-smoke-peaceful-protesters-george-floyd-washington-dc-trump-church/
Even Breitbart, which I suspect is fairly much as far to the right as commonly found has this to say. https://www.breitbart.com/news/tear-gas-threats-for-protesters-before-trump-visits-church/
Soon, law enforcement officers were aggressively forcing the protesters back, firing tear gas and deploying flash bangs into the crowd to disperse them from the park for seemingly no reason. It was a jarring scene as police in the nation’s capital forcefully cleared young men and women gathered legally in a public park on a sunny evening, all of it on live television.

That doesn't sound like they are particularly happy with the event.

We aren't talking about the Dad, the cop showed complete negligence here with risking the child.

I show more concern about children when I throw a football in the park than that cop did firing that weapon.

Kid was nowhere near the weapon.

Carfacemandog · 03-06-2020 12:04am

Manic Moran wrote: »

I don't need to.

Here, have an armed black militia "invading" a legislature.
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/73/03/31/15480412/5/rawImage.jpg
At the height of the civil rights era, no less, when blacks -really- made people nervous.
https://capweekly-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Black-Panther-with-shotgun-634x321.jpg
The State Police officer here seems rather unconcerned.
https://i.redd.it/k15zbfs130921.png

Too old? How about last month? A couple of days after the predominantly white folks showed up at the Michican legislature with guns, so did some black folks.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c57493fd06ee5c9751b9d9f58472e7150eb03f48/0_1731_3024_2147/master/3024.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&

Be peaceful, obey the law, nobody gets into trouble. Seems a rather simple concept devoid of race. Don't forget Rule 1 of Chris Rock's "How not to get your ass beat by the police" video. It is an entirely unrelated and separate incident.

I couldn't help but notice you didn't give any context around those first three photos so I put them into reverse image search and got exactly what I suspected: all three photos are from California in May of 1967, and before th end of that very same summer, California Governor Ronald Reagan, an otherwise pro second amendment president, was signing the Mulford gun control act into law. It doesn't do a lot to support your point, and i can't help but feel the omission may have been intentional on your end.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Open-carry-was-legal-until-armed-Black-Panthers-12875998.php
https://capitolweekly.net/black-panthers-armed-capitol/
http://reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/a6rlu9/black_panthers_protest_against_gun_control_in/

The link to the photo meant to be more recent doesn't work so I can't comment on it, but I will take a wild guess it was to do with three black guys holding rifles, escorting a Michigan law maker to her office after some pretty volatile protests there in the days previous by far higher numbers of heavily armed white people while the president goaded on an armed uprising. Once again, context is pretty important, especially the 'escorting an elected official' part (though that didn't stop NY police attacking a black state senator the other day now that I think of it).
https://theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/michigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protest

Your photo theory has already been debunked so there's not much point going into depth of field.

And being peaceful didn't work very well for the peaceful protesters who got tear gassed and rubber bullets shot at them without warning, before curfew, including journalists in attendance, now did it? I guess it's hard for all these journalists that have been attacked by police to be peaceful and obey the law when they are "enemies if the people" though, eh?

aloyisious · 03-06-2020 12:32am

Just in on CNN news. According to an un-named DOJ source, it was A.G Barr who issued the order for the police to move the DC protestors on with gas and rubber bullets after he visited Lafayette Park shortly before Trump gave his speech. The DOJ itself claimed that rocks and frozen plastic water bottles were thrown by people in the park but no footage seem's to be available or shown live at the time of any such alleged incidents.

CNN also reported that requests were made to two states for their national guard forces to deploy to the DC area but following initial approval the requests were denied after the governors of the two states were informed the requests had come from the Pentagon and the troops would be under the command of Barr, not the city's mayor.

Christy42 · 03-06-2020 12:57am

Manic Moran wrote: »

They did, indeed. Not the high point of the California State Legislature or the NRA.

Fair. This may surprise you, but conservatives aren't particularly happy with it either. Responses vary from a weaker statement of "Unforced error" by Trump to have a "propoganda picture" taken (on one gun forum I'm on) to conservative news sites looking to investigate what happened. When Daily Caller is apparently approvingly quoting Schumer and Clinton and noting that the Park Police aren't being forthcoming with an explanation, I think it's fair to say that there is some discontent over that instance. https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/02/united-states-park-police-tear-gas-smoke-peaceful-protesters-george-floyd-washington-dc-trump-church/
Even Breitbart, which I suspect is fairly much as far to the right as commonly found has this to say. https://www.breitbart.com/news/tear-gas-threats-for-protesters-before-trump-visits-church/
Soon, law enforcement officers were aggressively forcing the protesters back, firing tear gas and deploying flash bangs into the crowd to disperse them from the park for seemingly no reason. It was a jarring scene as police in the nation’s capital forcefully cleared young men and women gathered legally in a public park on a sunny evening, all of it on live television.

That doesn't sound like they are particularly happy with the event.

Kid was nowhere near the weapon.

The apologies for it need to come from on high. Right it now it is putting the message that peaceful protests are not welcome front and center. Certainly Breitbart is right wing but they don't control the police forces which is what is needed.

Responding to a peaceful anti police brutality march with police brutality is more than simply an unforced error.

Manic Moran · 03-06-2020 1:13am

Carfacemandog wrote: »

I couldn't help but notice you didn't give any context around those first three photos so I put them into reverse image search and got exactly what I suspected: all three photos are from California in May of 1967

Perhaps you missed my line about it being in the height of the civil rights era. They are quite a famous photo sequence.

and before th end of that very same summer, California Governor Ronald Reagan, an otherwise pro second amendment president, was signing the Mulford gun control act into law.

Quite correct. As I said a few posts ago, not a high point. There is, however, something of a difference between someone enacting a law against it in the future, and a reaction at the time involving the use of force. By some odd coincidence, something pretty similar is being looked at in Michigan now. https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/05/michigan-capitol-guns-inside-banned/3083564001/

but I will take a wild guess it was to do with three black guys holding rifles, escorting a Michigan law maker to her office after some pretty volatile protests there in the days previous by far higher numbers of heavily armed white people while the president goaded on an armed uprising. Once again, context is pretty important, especially the 'escorting an elected official' part

First part is quite correct (Barring there being five black and one hispanic). Yet, the laws on what you can or cannot do is not dependent upon numbers or whether or not some legislators personally approve of what you're doing at that moment and time. Police would have been every bit as justified, or more accurately unjustified, to act against the escort as they would have been against the protestors. And if it were illegal, the exact reverse would have been the case. Context can, indeed, be important, if it's necessary. It is not.

To my knowledge, we have not seen a large (over 50 people), predominantly black group of people attempt to lawfully demonstrate armed in a state house. Any definitive statement is pure speculation, the closest we have are the two events above which are indicators. If you have anything else other than an appeal to emotion "Had they been black horrors would have happened", when we have evidence that "Being black while armed" in the state house is not a default to violence, and we have evidence that "demonstrating in numbers while armed" is not a default to violence, it is, in the terms of this website, "whataboutery".

Your photo theory has already been debunked so there's not much point going into depth of field.

It has? Is there another photo from another angle showing the same event?

And being peaceful didn't work very well for the peaceful protesters who got tear gassed and rubber bullets shot at them without warning, before curfew, including journalists in attendance, now did it? I guess it's hard for all these journalists that have been attacked by police to be peaceful and obey the law when they are "enemies if the people" though, eh?

I have never said anything in defense of that apparently unwarranted incident and that position is not contrary to anything else I have said. The second part seems not to warrant response as I don't believe I have ever said a thing about journalists of any stripe.

StringerBell · 03-06-2020 2:00am

RIGOLO wrote: »
White armed militia storm government buildings to force government to OPEN UP BUISNESS..

Black militias storm their neighbourhoods to burn down their neighbours businesses.

Seems to be a difference in their agendas.

Your system is very glitchy on your return. Should get that checked out?

Itssoeasy · 03-06-2020 7:33am

I’m going to guess that trump won’t be happy that Steve King of Iowa lost his primary last night.

Also, Kasie hunt from nbc/msnbc asked several GOP members of Congress for their views on what trump did two nights ago and to watch the video it’s shows how uncomfortable some of them look.

Midlife · 03-06-2020 8:01am

RIGOLO wrote: »

which is why I didnt use Capital Letters ....

Karl MArx wrote The Communist Manifesto

I was simply refereing to Lenis extensive bibliography with a catchy turn of phrase.

I though cultural appropriation was anathema to left, surely appropriating a slur credited to a communist to describe liberals, and using it to call Trump supporters likewise breaks some kind of modern day identity polictics unwritten rule.

Oh so when you said 'communist manifesto' you meant the writings of Lenin.

OK sure.

Maybe you can consult all those writings of lenin on your shelf and find which one the term 'useful idiot' appears in.

Hint: it doesn't.

You should really begin to question the things you say RIGOLO. Think before you type. Being honest and giving your own opinion isn't a flaw, it's strength. Acknowledging when they're wrong is something people with character do.

aloyisious · 03-06-2020 8:10am

Deleted my last concerning an item I saw last night on different states primaries voting which said Iowa had NO open centres for voters to come to relying on mail-in ballots which disenfranchised voters with no mailing address and handicapped voters as well. Iowa did have open centres for voters to vote at. https://ktiv.com/2020/06/02/iowa-primary-election-day-voter-turnout-and-absentee-voting/

Igotadose · 03-06-2020 9:18am

Matt Gaetz of the gas mask and storming the impeachement hearings, gets a tweet warned by Twitter. Funny - is it only GOP politicians having their tweets warned about? It's either a conspiracy, or, Occam's razor: they're idiots.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/technology/twitter-matt-gaetz-warning.html

RIGOLO · 03-06-2020 9:30am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I’m going to guess that trump won’t be happy that Steve King of Iowa lost his primary last night.

Also, Kasie hunt from nbc/msnbc asked several GOP members of Congress for their views on what trump did two nights ago and to watch the video it’s shows how uncomfortable some of them look.

If it was on MSNBC, then its unlikely to have reached very many people.
NIELSEN came out with their MAY numbers ..

MSNBC Ratings are tanking
CNN ratings are tanking

FOXNEWS is BOOMING with viewership on the increase.

Fox News has marked an unprecedented 71 consecutive quarters as the most-watched cable news channel of all, according to Nielsen Media Research — this amounts to almost 18 years in first place.

MSNBC prime-time ratings fall by 18%, while Fox News stays on top, says Nielsen Media Research

Viewers are turning off CNN and MSNBC in their droves and moving to FOX NEWS, and these will translate into votes in the re-election .

Unfortunately for the left everytime CNN or MSNBC have the latest breaking news in their 24x7 attack on Donal TRump, the FACT remains that viewers are changing channel.

sydthebeat · 03-06-2020 9:33am

RIGOLO wrote: »

, and these will translate into votes in the re-election .

for the first time since betting opened....

Biden is now the favourite at 5/6 ahead of Trump at 6/5

RIGOLO · 03-06-2020 9:44am

sydthebeat wrote: »

for the first time since betting opened....

Biden is now the favourite at 5/6 ahead of Trump at 6/5

thanks for that heads up....

I cleaned up last time, backing Trump all the way in from long odds. I will never forget that day he won, bookie docket paid up on the phone and a couple of Samuel Adams beers watching the TV.

Trumps odds werent appealing last timeI looked a few months back but 6/5 will do nicely.
My only fear is they find another candidate before Biden, if Biden runs its going to be a cert. Better get my bet on before Biden does a public debate with TRump , Biden will gaff his way out of the race and the odds will collapse.

Maybe those on the left should put a few quid on TRump, at least then when he wins you will have the comfort of some cash.

Mehapoy · 03-06-2020 10:02am

I must say all the ' come down hard on them' crowd would fit right in with the Stormont government in the 60's who decided that the nationalist civil rights marchers were the problem.

duploelabs · 03-06-2020 10:06am

RIGOLO wrote: »

thanks for that heads up....

I cleaned up last time, backing Trump all the way in from long odds. I will never forget that day he won, bookie docket paid up on the phone and a couple of Samuel Adams beers watching the TV.

Trumps odds werent appealing last timeI looked a few months back but 6/5 will do nicely.
My only fear is they find another candidate before Biden, if Biden runs its going to be a cert. Better get my bet on before Biden does a public debate with TRump , Biden will gaff his way out of the race and the odds will collapse.

Maybe those on the left should put a few quid on TRump, at least then when he wins you will have the comfort of some cash.

How much money will you be putting on trump this time round?

pixelburp · 03-06-2020 10:11am

I've been struggling to keep track of events as they happen, things feel to be spiralling out of control moreso than (say) Ferguson - but I'd speculate one of the lasting images of the whole tragedy will be Trump having a peaceful protest cleared with riot police & teargas. All so he could have a photo op at a church (and couldn't even manage to look naturally pious, just a sulking old man holding a bible like a placard).

Say what you will about the "politician" but they at least understand the importance of optics: you can quibble about the need for a harsh response against the actual looting, but rolling through a peaceful protest (and the 1st amendment) with military police is a colossally bad look. And makes a very worrying, very pronounced declaration about America's supposed principles of democracy.

It wasn't without reason some claimed worries of authoritarianism was nothing but histrionics; Trump's bad but not that bad, they cried. Honestly, the histrionics are beginning to sound merely prescient: these are the actions of a wannabe dictator at worst, and a paper tiger at best, trying to flex his muscle 'cos he idolises "toughness" as a default response.

Carfacemandog · 03-06-2020 10:11am

Mehapoy wrote: »

I must say all the ' come down hard on them' crowd would fit right in with the Stormont government in the 60's who decided that the nationalist civil rights marchers were the problem.

They are also the type that would be cheering and whopping in support of the Chinese governments actions in Hong Kong.

Of course, they don't, but that's because cheering and whooping for that isn't part of the required loyalty pledge to Trump.

Quin_Dub · 03-06-2020 10:13am

I know it's the Daily Kos , but they are reporting on multiple other pretty well established polling companies

DAILY TRACK POLLS and other POLLS, in real time, show Trump's approval collapsing in just 3 days

YouGov Polling - Trumps Net Disapproval rating has moved from -6% on May 30th to -15% on June 2nd

Morning Consult - Net Disapproval moved from -11% to -15%

IPSOS - Net Disapproval moved from -12% to -17%

Monmouth - Net Disapproval moved from -8% to -12%

So , it would seem that so far at least , his actions are not being well received and are not "converting into votes"

From the latest IPSOS poll on Monday

A majority of Americans sympathize with nationwide protests over the death of an unarmed black man in police custody and disapprove of President Donald Trump’s response to the unrest, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Tuesday.

The survey conducted on Monday and Tuesday found 64% of American adults were “sympathetic to people who are out protesting right now,” while 27% said they were not and 9% were unsure.

The poll underscored the political risks for Trump, who has adopted a hardline approach to the protests and threatened to deploy the U.S. military to quell violent dissent. The Republican president faces Democrat Joe Biden in November’s election.

More than 55% of Americans said they disapproved of Trump’s handling of the protests, including 40% who “strongly” disapproved, while just one-third said they approved - lower than his overall job approval of 39%, the poll showed.

RIGOLO · 03-06-2020 10:45am

Carfacemandog wrote: »

They are also the type that would be cheering and whopping in support of the Chinese governments actions in Hong Kong.

Of course, they don't, but that's because cheering and whooping for that isn't part of the required loyalty pledge to Trump.

You couldnt be further from the reality.

The conservatives and Trump who are in favour of tough stance against the looters are the very ones who have been attacking Chinese govt for the last 4 years, whether trade or human rights.

The irony of the left social justice warriors being out in protest over Geroge Floyds death , whilst remaining quite on China and not supporting Trump adminstration actiosn against China is not lost on any astute observer.

Nah the left got so excited about anyone and anything that was against Trump, they have hitched their wagons to China totalitariaism .

RIGOLO · 03-06-2020 10:49am

duploelabs wrote: »

How much money will you be putting on trump this time round?

Like all investments in life, one should only bet what one can afford to lose.

The only issue I may next time round when TRump wins is Im not sure the local offie still stacks Samuel Adams beer.... Im open to suggestions on replacements that will have an equal historical legacy ...

Carfacemandog · 03-06-2020 10:53am

RIGOLO wrote: »

You couldnt be further from the reality.

The conservatives and Trump who are in favour of tough stance against the looters are the very ones who have been attacking Chinese govt for the last 4 years, whether trade or human rights.

The irony of the left social justice warriors being out in protest over Geroge Floyds death , whilst remaining quite on China and not supporting Trump adminstration actiosn against China is not lost on any astute observer.

Nah the left got so excited about anyone and anything that was against Trump, they have hitched their wagons to China totalitariaism .

You know well that China has received lots of criticism from all sides, so you can drop that one. What is clear though is that once Trump started copying Xi over the last week, Trump supporters became very fond of these measures.

Nobody seems all that surprised though, given the cult-like devotion Trumps supporters have to him whereby they agree when he says the sky is green, then agree when the next day he says it is purple and only a fool would believe it is green, then agree the next day when he again declares that the sky is indeed, green.

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