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PAUL MURPHY T.D. wants us to nationalize Aer Lingus

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  • 29-04-2020 12:48pm
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    Baseball72
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    Listened to Paul Murphy TD on the Pat Kenny Show this morning - he wants to nationalize Aer Lingus.

    I'll give anyone a fair hearing but it was just nonsense and clearly hasn't thought this through. He wasn't aware that Willy Walsh was a pilot back in the day - stating "Willy Walsh never fly a plan - what would he know about running an airline......" Pat corrected him......car crash radio.

    Trying to stay relevant - failing badly.


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    silver2020
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    what a fool.

    Born with a silver spoon, spoilt rotten, and finds his only route to power is to make sheep believe the sh1te he talks about.


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    JohnnyFlash
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    Paul Murphy wants lots of things. The thing he wants most though is for people to hear his voice.


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    Long_Wave
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    Baseball72 wrote: »
    Listened to Paul Murphy TD on the Pat Kenny Show this morning - he wants to nationalize Aer Lingus.

    I'll give anyone a fair hearing but it was just nonsense and clearly hasn't thought this through. He wasn't aware that Willy Walsh was a pilot back in the day - stating "Willy Walsh never fly a plan - what would he know about running an airline......" Pat corrected him......car crash radio.

    Trying to stay relevant - failing badly.

    This is the kind of opposition we have in 2020, it's no wonder Varadkar and Harris could get away with murder these days.


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    lawred2
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    Baseball72 wrote: »
    Listened to Paul Murphy TD on the Pat Kenny Show this morning - he wants to nationalize Aer Lingus.

    I'll give anyone a fair hearing but it was just nonsense and clearly hasn't thought this through. He wasn't aware that Willy Walsh was a pilot back in the day - stating "Willy Walsh never fly a plan - what would he know about running an airline......" Pat corrected him......car crash radio.

    Trying to stay relevant - failing badly.

    even if he was correct - that's still dumb


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    smurfjed
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    Very few airline chief executives are or were pilots.


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    Truthvader
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    Is this the cowardly snivel who hid behind his rent a mob and trapped Joan Bruton in her car a few years ago?


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    goingnowhere
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    The socialists hate Willy Walsh as he was a union rep while he was a pilot and changed sides, so he has a 'unique' view of union negotiations. He saved EI once and I'd give good odds on EI surviving this, its well run, very profitable and has a large cash pile. Fairly significant income from the China freight ops helps with current cash flow, that was what almost sunk EI post 9/11.

    KLM/AF had major issues before this, crack out the popcorn and watch the fun kick off there as the union infighting and the French make a mess of it. It is a case of last man standing here, whoever remains will thrive in the absence of legacy carriers.

    The extended LH group will struggle, Alitalia will finally implode.

    And in the corner Michael O'Leary will quietly eye up a long haul op by picking up all the hulls lying idle, add in low oil prices, going to get interesting...


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    Baseball72
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    Very few airline chief executives are or were pilots.

    Probably, but I think it was generally know that Willy Walsh had been a pilot before "coming ashore" so to speak.


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    Irish Steve
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    OK, this is the Aviation and Aircraft forum, NOT After Hours or politics. If the standard of posts does not improve dramatically, there will be actions taken.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    Blaze420
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    People before profit - were you actually expecting something sensible or logical to come from any of those “free everything for everyone” imbeciles???


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    neris
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    Was going public & being run as a business not what saved AL as a brand & company?


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    cameramonkey
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Fairly significant income from the China freight ops helps with current cash flow, that was what almost sunk EI post 9/11...


    How much do you mean by fairly significant income?


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    Nijmegen
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    Well the stated policy/platform of Paul Murphy and his ilk is to want to nationalise all industries...

    But this does segway us into an interesting discussion. If Spain and the UK are looking at pumping money into their constituent parts of IAG, should the Irish government look at doing the same if needs be and should it take an equity stake if it does so?


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    AndyBoBandy
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    Nijmegen wrote: »
    But this does segway us into an interesting discussion. If Spain and the UK are looking at pumping money into their constituent parts of IAG, should the Irish government look at doing the same if needs be and should it take an equity stake if it does so?


    No.

    Aer Lingus is a private company owned by IAG. IAG is not an Irish company, it's Spanish, with headquarters in the U.K.

    The Irish Government only recently offloaded its stake in Aer Lingus, so what's the point of buying some of it back?

    It might hurt some people to admit it, but Ryanair is more so Irelands national airline than Aer Lingus.


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    IngazZagni
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    Oh my goodness that was so bad it could have been an April fools gag. Good entertainment though, I'll give Paul that.

    One thing I hear about regularly is reducing air travel for the sake of the environment. How would this be achieved in practical terms? Would you limit each citizen to one foreign holiday per year? Or perhaps increase the ticket prices so much that only the rich can fly?


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    Kcormahs
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    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    No.

    Aer Lingus is a private company owned by IAG. IAG is not an Irish company, it's Spanish, with headquarters in the U.K.

    The Irish Government only recently offloaded its stake in Aer Lingus, so what's the point of buying some of it back?

    It might hurt some people to admit it, but Ryanair is more so Irelands national airline than Aer Lingus.


    wrong and completely lack of knowledge. If you only knew the agreements the government still has with aer lingus. Only An post has a mail section dept only for EI. Also route subsidies apart from PSO is quite interesting. Together with public staff flights on duty etc.... and many other. None of this is found in Ryanair. apologies for disappointing you


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    lawrencesummers
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    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    No.

    Aer Lingus is a private company owned by IAG. IAG is not an Irish company, it's Spanish, with headquarters in the U.K.

    The Irish Government only recently offloaded its stake in Aer Lingus, so what's the point of buying some of it back?

    It might hurt some people to admit it, but Ryanair is more so Irelands national airline than Aer Lingus.

    Presumably because airlines are at great risk of folding, and there are routes onto and off of this island which are strategically important. If the choice is to have Aer Lingus fail or not then go for not. If they are to not fail it may well be due to a cash injection of tax payers money then it should be done for something, Not given for free and equity is probably all they have to offer.


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    donvito99
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    Kcormahs wrote: »
    wrong and completely lack of knowledge. If you only knew the agreements the government still has with aer lingus. Only An post has a mail section dept only for EI. Also route subsidies apart from PSO is quite interesting. Together with public staff flights on duty etc.... and many other. None of this is found in Ryanair. apologies for disappointing you

    What are you trying to say here? That the Gov can bail out Aer Lingus because An Post has an arrangement with them? Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's right. The de facto 'flag' or 'national' carrier is Ryanair.


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    neris
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Oh my goodness that was so bad it could have been an April fools gag. Good entertainment though, I'll give Paul that.

    One thing I hear about regularly is reducing air travel for the sake of the environment. How would this be achieved in practical terms? Would you limit each citizen to one foreign holiday per year? Or perhaps increase the ticket prices so much that only the rich can fly?

    Define a foreign holiday though. A weekend in London? 3 weeks in the canaries with the kids or 5 months in marbella in winter in your holiday home you bought long before you retired. The knock on economic effect of restricting travel would be huge as we've already seen


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    AndyBoBandy
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    So Aer Lingus isn't a private company? Owned by IAG which is not an Irish company?

    Just because the Government have PSO agreements with them, that doesn't change the fact they are a foreign owned airline does it?


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    Harry Palmr
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Oh my goodness that was so bad it could have been an April fools gag. Good entertainment though, I'll give Paul that.

    One thing I hear about regularly is reducing air travel for the sake of the environment. How would this be achieved in practical terms? Would you limit each citizen to one foreign holiday per year? Or perhaps increase the ticket prices so much that only the rich can fly?

    Let airlines go bust, reduce capacity and prices go up. Introduce Co2 levies so large that the market is kept somewhat suppressed as other factors such as teleconferences become much more typical. After this blows over the appetite for paying employees to cross continents and oceans will be much reduced I think. As for foreign holidays well once upon a time a annual trip to Salthill was as good as it got, then one to Spain or Greece. This multi-holiday lark is quite a recent thing.


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    Spanish Eyes
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    Are there not EU rules regarding favouring certain industries etc. with public funds or have I got quarantine fatigue? Talking about so called bail outs for national airlines. Maybe they are exempt I don't know.

    As an island nation what would we do if every airline leaves us stranded. I know that things are quite restricted at the moment and it will probably take a long time for passenger confidence to return to flying abroad, but still....


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    SouthWesterly
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    Since this is A & A ( the other one) :)

    Great idea, nationalise a foreign owned company. What could go wrong?

    Murphy is so relevant, it's scarey :D


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    IngazZagni
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Let airlines go bust, reduce capacity and prices go up. Introduce Co2 levies so large that the market is kept somewhat suppressed as other factors such as teleconferences become much more typical. After this blows over the appetite for paying employees to cross continents and oceans will be much reduced I think. As for foreign holidays well once upon a time a annual trip to Salthill was as good as it got, then one to Spain or Greece. This multi-holiday lark is quite a recent thing.

    So limited to the rich then. Great.


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    Patser
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    That was brilliant, to hear a populist being properly grilled about their ideas, and not being allowed to get away with glib dismissals like 'he couldn't fly a plane'

    Also very interesting that Paul Murphy didn't sound annoyed, angry or even passionate about his ideas. He almost sounded like he was laughing at how silly all this was, but sure I have to play the role.


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    StupidLikeAFox
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    Baseball72 wrote: »
    Listened to Paul Murphy TD on the Pat Kenny Show this morning - he wants to nationalize Aer Lingus.

    I'll give anyone a fair hearing but it was just nonsense and clearly hasn't thought this through. He wasn't aware that Willy Walsh was a pilot back in the day - stating "Willy Walsh never fly a plan - what would he know about running an airline......" Pat corrected him......car crash radio. .

    What would anybody in the government or public sector know about running an airline??


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    mikel97
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    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    What would anybody in the government or public sector know about running an airline??


    Especially an airline that puts People before Profit like his "party" Yeah that will last long ........


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    1123heavy
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    mikel97 wrote: »
    Poor you living in the past.

    All historical rubbish which is put out to tender. Public service staff also use Ryanair and other airlines (pre covid) they have a personal budget. Lots of agreements with Ryanair. PSO awarded currently to Stobart a British company that have painted aircraft in Lingus Green cs.
    Its now time to scrap the various airlines and have 1 IAG and a few other airlines including prob 2 LCC of which Ryanair is Irish and is the flag carrier.

    False, Stobart Air is majority Irish owned and operate under an Irish AOC with HQ in Dublin, Ireland.

    Irish in every way.


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    nc6000
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    This is the interview - https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/renationalise-aer-lingus


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    Blaze420
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Let airlines go bust, reduce capacity and prices go up. Introduce Co2 levies so large that the market is kept somewhat suppressed as other factors such as teleconferences become much more typical. After this blows over the appetite for paying employees to cross continents and oceans will be much reduced I think. As for foreign holidays well once upon a time a annual trip to Salthill was as good as it got, then one to Spain or Greece. This multi-holiday lark is quite a recent thing.

    This kind of thinking pisses me off anytime I see it - lets save the planet by making air travel for the rich only. You'll enjoy your 2 weeks in rainy dingle and ****ing like it - forget about your ideas of sun holidays. An ill thought out idea that will never run - the planet can ****ing burn before I will ever accept an enforced holiday in this ****hole over somewhere with a bit of sun and heat.


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