PAUL MURPHY T.D. wants us to nationalize Aer Lingus

Baseball72

Listened to Paul Murphy TD on the Pat Kenny Show this morning - he wants to nationalize Aer Lingus.

I'll give anyone a fair hearing but it was just nonsense and clearly hasn't thought this through. He wasn't aware that Willy Walsh was a pilot back in the day - stating "Willy Walsh never fly a plan - what would he know about running an airline......" Pat corrected him......car crash radio.

Trying to stay relevant - failing badly.

silver2020

what a fool.

Born with a silver spoon, spoilt rotten, and finds his only route to power is to make sheep believe the sh1te he talks about.

JohnnyFlash

Paul Murphy wants lots of things. The thing he wants most though is for people to hear his voice.

Long_Wave

Baseball72 wrote: »

Listened to Paul Murphy TD on the Pat Kenny Show this morning - he wants to nationalize Aer Lingus.

I'll give anyone a fair hearing but it was just nonsense and clearly hasn't thought this through. He wasn't aware that Willy Walsh was a pilot back in the day - stating "Willy Walsh never fly a plan - what would he know about running an airline......" Pat corrected him......car crash radio.

Trying to stay relevant - failing badly.

This is the kind of opposition we have in 2020, it's no wonder Varadkar and Harris could get away with murder these days.

lawred2

Baseball72 wrote: »

Listened to Paul Murphy TD on the Pat Kenny Show this morning - he wants to nationalize Aer Lingus.

I'll give anyone a fair hearing but it was just nonsense and clearly hasn't thought this through. He wasn't aware that Willy Walsh was a pilot back in the day - stating "Willy Walsh never fly a plan - what would he know about running an airline......" Pat corrected him......car crash radio.

Trying to stay relevant - failing badly.

even if he was correct - that's still dumb

smurfjed

Very few airline chief executives are or were pilots.

Truthvader

Is this the cowardly snivel who hid behind his rent a mob and trapped Joan Bruton in her car a few years ago?

goingnowhere

The socialists hate Willy Walsh as he was a union rep while he was a pilot and changed sides, so he has a 'unique' view of union negotiations. He saved EI once and I'd give good odds on EI surviving this, its well run, very profitable and has a large cash pile. Fairly significant income from the China freight ops helps with current cash flow, that was what almost sunk EI post 9/11.

KLM/AF had major issues before this, crack out the popcorn and watch the fun kick off there as the union infighting and the French make a mess of it. It is a case of last man standing here, whoever remains will thrive in the absence of legacy carriers.

The extended LH group will struggle, Alitalia will finally implode.

And in the corner Michael O'Leary will quietly eye up a long haul op by picking up all the hulls lying idle, add in low oil prices, going to get interesting...

Baseball72

smurfjed wrote: »

Very few airline chief executives are or were pilots.

Probably, but I think it was generally know that Willy Walsh had been a pilot before "coming ashore" so to speak.

Irish Steve

OK, this is the Aviation and Aircraft forum, NOT After Hours or politics. If the standard of posts does not improve dramatically, there will be actions taken.

Blaze420

People before profit - were you actually expecting something sensible or logical to come from any of those “free everything for everyone” imbeciles???

neris

Was going public & being run as a business not what saved AL as a brand & company?

cameramonkey

goingnowhere wrote: »

Fairly significant income from the China freight ops helps with current cash flow, that was what almost sunk EI post 9/11...

How much do you mean by fairly significant income?

Nijmegen

Well the stated policy/platform of Paul Murphy and his ilk is to want to nationalise all industries...

But this does segway us into an interesting discussion. If Spain and the UK are looking at pumping money into their constituent parts of IAG, should the Irish government look at doing the same if needs be and should it take an equity stake if it does so?

AndyBoBandy

Nijmegen wrote: »

But this does segway us into an interesting discussion. If Spain and the UK are looking at pumping money into their constituent parts of IAG, should the Irish government look at doing the same if needs be and should it take an equity stake if it does so?

No.

Aer Lingus is a private company owned by IAG. IAG is not an Irish company, it's Spanish, with headquarters in the U.K.

The Irish Government only recently offloaded its stake in Aer Lingus, so what's the point of buying some of it back?

It might hurt some people to admit it, but Ryanair is more so Irelands national airline than Aer Lingus.

IngazZagni

Oh my goodness that was so bad it could have been an April fools gag. Good entertainment though, I'll give Paul that.

One thing I hear about regularly is reducing air travel for the sake of the environment. How would this be achieved in practical terms? Would you limit each citizen to one foreign holiday per year? Or perhaps increase the ticket prices so much that only the rich can fly?

Kcormahs

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

No.

Aer Lingus is a private company owned by IAG. IAG is not an Irish company, it's Spanish, with headquarters in the U.K.

The Irish Government only recently offloaded its stake in Aer Lingus, so what's the point of buying some of it back?

It might hurt some people to admit it, but Ryanair is more so Irelands national airline than Aer Lingus.

wrong and completely lack of knowledge. If you only knew the agreements the government still has with aer lingus. Only An post has a mail section dept only for EI. Also route subsidies apart from PSO is quite interesting. Together with public staff flights on duty etc.... and many other. None of this is found in Ryanair. apologies for disappointing you

lawrencesummers

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

No.

Aer Lingus is a private company owned by IAG. IAG is not an Irish company, it's Spanish, with headquarters in the U.K.

The Irish Government only recently offloaded its stake in Aer Lingus, so what's the point of buying some of it back?

It might hurt some people to admit it, but Ryanair is more so Irelands national airline than Aer Lingus.

Presumably because airlines are at great risk of folding, and there are routes onto and off of this island which are strategically important. If the choice is to have Aer Lingus fail or not then go for not. If they are to not fail it may well be due to a cash injection of tax payers money then it should be done for something, Not given for free and equity is probably all they have to offer.

donvito99

Kcormahs wrote: »

wrong and completely lack of knowledge. If you only knew the agreements the government still has with aer lingus. Only An post has a mail section dept only for EI. Also route subsidies apart from PSO is quite interesting. Together with public staff flights on duty etc.... and many other. None of this is found in Ryanair. apologies for disappointing you

What are you trying to say here? That the Gov can bail out Aer Lingus because An Post has an arrangement with them? Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's right. The de facto 'flag' or 'national' carrier is Ryanair.

neris

IngazZagni wrote: »

Oh my goodness that was so bad it could have been an April fools gag. Good entertainment though, I'll give Paul that.

One thing I hear about regularly is reducing air travel for the sake of the environment. How would this be achieved in practical terms? Would you limit each citizen to one foreign holiday per year? Or perhaps increase the ticket prices so much that only the rich can fly?

Define a foreign holiday though. A weekend in London? 3 weeks in the canaries with the kids or 5 months in marbella in winter in your holiday home you bought long before you retired. The knock on economic effect of restricting travel would be huge as we've already seen

AndyBoBandy

So Aer Lingus isn't a private company? Owned by IAG which is not an Irish company?

Just because the Government have PSO agreements with them, that doesn't change the fact they are a foreign owned airline does it?

Harry Palmr

IngazZagni wrote: »

Oh my goodness that was so bad it could have been an April fools gag. Good entertainment though, I'll give Paul that.

One thing I hear about regularly is reducing air travel for the sake of the environment. How would this be achieved in practical terms? Would you limit each citizen to one foreign holiday per year? Or perhaps increase the ticket prices so much that only the rich can fly?

Let airlines go bust, reduce capacity and prices go up. Introduce Co2 levies so large that the market is kept somewhat suppressed as other factors such as teleconferences become much more typical. After this blows over the appetite for paying employees to cross continents and oceans will be much reduced I think. As for foreign holidays well once upon a time a annual trip to Salthill was as good as it got, then one to Spain or Greece. This multi-holiday lark is quite a recent thing.

Spanish Eyes

Are there not EU rules regarding favouring certain industries etc. with public funds or have I got quarantine fatigue? Talking about so called bail outs for national airlines. Maybe they are exempt I don't know.

As an island nation what would we do if every airline leaves us stranded. I know that things are quite restricted at the moment and it will probably take a long time for passenger confidence to return to flying abroad, but still....

Since this is A & A ( the other one)

Great idea, nationalise a foreign owned company. What could go wrong?

Murphy is so relevant, it's scarey

IngazZagni

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Let airlines go bust, reduce capacity and prices go up. Introduce Co2 levies so large that the market is kept somewhat suppressed as other factors such as teleconferences become much more typical. After this blows over the appetite for paying employees to cross continents and oceans will be much reduced I think. As for foreign holidays well once upon a time a annual trip to Salthill was as good as it got, then one to Spain or Greece. This multi-holiday lark is quite a recent thing.

So limited to the rich then. Great.

Patser

That was brilliant, to hear a populist being properly grilled about their ideas, and not being allowed to get away with glib dismissals like 'he couldn't fly a plane'

Also very interesting that Paul Murphy didn't sound annoyed, angry or even passionate about his ideas. He almost sounded like he was laughing at how silly all this was, but sure I have to play the role.

StupidLikeAFox

Baseball72 wrote: »

Listened to Paul Murphy TD on the Pat Kenny Show this morning - he wants to nationalize Aer Lingus.

I'll give anyone a fair hearing but it was just nonsense and clearly hasn't thought this through. He wasn't aware that Willy Walsh was a pilot back in the day - stating "Willy Walsh never fly a plan - what would he know about running an airline......" Pat corrected him......car crash radio. .

What would anybody in the government or public sector know about running an airline??

mikel97

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

What would anybody in the government or public sector know about running an airline??

Especially an airline that puts People before Profit like his "party" Yeah that will last long ........

1123heavy

mikel97 wrote: »

Poor you living in the past.

All historical rubbish which is put out to tender. Public service staff also use Ryanair and other airlines (pre covid) they have a personal budget. Lots of agreements with Ryanair. PSO awarded currently to Stobart a British company that have painted aircraft in Lingus Green cs.
Its now time to scrap the various airlines and have 1 IAG and a few other airlines including prob 2 LCC of which Ryanair is Irish and is the flag carrier.

False, Stobart Air is majority Irish owned and operate under an Irish AOC with HQ in Dublin, Ireland.

Irish in every way.

nc6000

This is the interview - https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/renationalise-aer-lingus

Blaze420

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Let airlines go bust, reduce capacity and prices go up. Introduce Co2 levies so large that the market is kept somewhat suppressed as other factors such as teleconferences become much more typical. After this blows over the appetite for paying employees to cross continents and oceans will be much reduced I think. As for foreign holidays well once upon a time a annual trip to Salthill was as good as it got, then one to Spain or Greece. This multi-holiday lark is quite a recent thing.

This kind of thinking pisses me off anytime I see it - lets save the planet by making air travel for the rich only. You'll enjoy your 2 weeks in rainy dingle and ****ing like it - forget about your ideas of sun holidays. An ill thought out idea that will never run - the planet can ****ing burn before I will ever accept an enforced holiday in this ****hole over somewhere with a bit of sun and heat.

Get Real

silver2020 wrote: »

what a fool.

Born with a silver spoon, spoilt rotten, and finds his only route to power is to make sheep believe the sh1te he talks about.

Excellently sums him up. You've found words I couldn't find last week when I saw him coming out of Fallon & Byrne with his grocery shopping last week.

Nothing against people going into Fallon & Byrne. But the absolute bollo*kcs carry on of portraying himself as a hero of the "working class" when it's far from that he was reared, nor is it a lifestyle he lives by.

Harry Palmr

Blaze420 wrote: »

This kind of thinking pisses me off /

/the planet can ****ing burn before I will ever accept an enforced holiday in this ****hole over somewhere with a bit of sun and heat.

What makes you think you are entitled to a foreign holiday? You are entitled to nothing of the sort. The penny will be a long time dropping for many people that's clear enough. Business as usual is over and it might be a good idea to recalibrate your lifestyle.

SozBbz

I really enjoyed that interview this morning. Really highlighted the amount of hot air the whole PBP/AAA/Rise cohort like to spout.

Pat even corrected him firstly by saying Willie Walsh used to work for Air Lingus, PM then counters by saying yeah but he couldn't fly a plane....Pat then pointed out that he'd been a pilot for many years. It was comical. Even when Pat gave him a clue not to go down that particular blind ally, he couldnt help himself, he had to keep digging.

I'm only sorry Pat didnt go in hard on him, he was there for the taking.

john boye

That was hard to listen to at times but Fair play to pat for actually knowing his onions on the business and being able to shout Murphy down on his nonsense.

But it really makes me ask how headbangers like him and the rest of them get so much airtime on national media to spout rubbish like that. They polled less than 3% in the recent election, why are they seen as so relevant?

NSAman

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

What would anybody in the government or public sector know about running an airline??

All you have to do is look at South African Airlines to see this idea of government and public sector getting involved in airlines.

kevinandrew

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

No.

Aer Lingus is a private company owned by IAG. IAG is not an Irish company, it's Spanish, with headquarters in the U.K.

The Irish Government only recently offloaded its stake in Aer Lingus, so what's the point of buying some of it back?

It might hurt some people to admit it, but Ryanair is more so Irelands national airline than Aer Lingus.

You have a point regarding ownership structure but lets not pretend Ryanair shareholders are exclusively Irish.

Also, when it comes to strategic importance to the state, Aer Lingus comes out on top for almost every parameter.

The whole argument over who the national carrier is matters very little, in the eyes of a government, each business is measured on it's importance to the state.

sportsfan90

Just listened back to it now.

It won't gather anywhere near the same attention but that was up there with Maria Bailey levels of being a terrible interview performance.

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Paul Murphy wants lots of things. The thing he wants most though is for people to hear his voice.

Strange how he didn’t post a link on his social media! I actually thought it was someone taking him off, as I’d missed the start of the interview! Pat let him hang himself!

basill

1123heavy wrote: »

False, Stobart Air is majority Irish owned and operate under an Irish AOC with HQ in Dublin, Ireland.

Irish in every way.

Actually it's kinda unclear as to who owns the thing. The employees only became aware not so long ago that they had been gifted 51% into a trust. As I understand it the lawyers are going to have a field day trying to work out if it hasn't breached it's AOC along the way. Management say no, CAR say it's all dandy cos Stobart say it is.

NSAman

Blaze420 wrote: »

I work hard during the year therefore I will spend my money on whatever the **** I want to - if that's a foreign holiday then that's what I will buy. Scumbag eco lunatics don't have any say in any shape or form to dictate what I spend the money I earn on so they can go **** themselves. Is that re-calibrated enough for you?

While in Greece last year with the OH.... was took some time off business to have a little break. Went to the islands.

At dinner one night with a large group of people , it was mentioned by some friends how much I travelled for work. I was then attacked by an Irish couple for wasting the planets resources and dumping massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

My Reply: "I suppose you swam here?"

Cue red faces lots of laughter amongst everyone else at the table and a big flounce!

Cookiemunster

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What makes you think you are entitled to a foreign holiday? You are entitled to nothing of the sort. The penny will be a long time dropping for many people that's clear enough. Business as usual is over and it might be a good idea to recalibrate your lifestyle.

It's a free country and I and anyone else is fully entitled to go on a foreign holiday if they want it. My parents were going to Spain on holidays every year from the early 70s and they were far from rich. So it's not in any way a new thing.

Maybe instead of demonising the airline industry while creates 2-3% of the worlds CO2 output we should concentrate on the actual heavy hitters like there energy sector and the transport sector and the farming sector. You know the actual heavy polluters.

Blaze420

NSAman wrote: »

While in Greece last year with the OH.... was took some time off business to have a little break. Went to the islands.

At dinner one night with a large group of people , it was mentioned by some friends how much I travelled for work. I was then attacked by an Irish couple for wasting the planets resources and dumping massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

My Reply: "I suppose you swam here?"

Cue red faces lots of laughter amongst everyone else at the table and a big flounce!

A great response at that Why are these "save the planet" types the biggest ****head hypocrites going? Pretentious assholes and nothing less. "What makes you think you are "entitled" to a foreign holiday" like the fella above - **** off and mind your own ****ing business.

lawred2

Get Real wrote: »

Excellently sums him up. You've found words I couldn't find last week when I saw him coming out of Fallon & Byrne with his grocery shopping last week.

Nothing against people going into Fallon & Byrne. But the absolute bollo*kcs carry on of portraying himself as a hero of the "working class" when it's far from that he was reared, nor is it a lifestyle he lives by.

if there's a sentiment I like less; I'm yet to find it... don't care who it's applied to.

where's suitable for the working class to shop? Poundsaver?

SozBbz

lawred2 wrote: »

if there's a sentiment I like less; I'm yet to find it

where's suitable for the working class to shop? Poundsaver?

Its not a comment on the working class, its a comment on Paul Murphy being faux working class. That his "man of the people" schtick is just a ploy for him to market himself, and its pretty cynical.

He pretends to be the voice of a certain demographic, but lots of people suspect that thats far from his own reality.

Harry Palmr

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It's a free country and I and anyone else is fully entitled to go on a foreign holiday if they want it. My parents were going to Spain on holidays every year from the early 70s and they were far from rich. So it's not in any way a new thing.

Maybe instead of demonising the airline industry while creates 2-3% of the worlds CO2 output we should concentrate on the actual heavy hitters like there energy sector and the transport sector and the farming sector. You know the actual heavy polluters.

It's always someone else's job to save the world isn't it?

Blaze420

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's always someone else's job to save the world isn't it?

That’s your problem - nobody asked you and nobody appointed you but like all climate dullards, you took on the mantle yourself and think you can pontificate and condescend to everyone else. Doesn’t work in reality does it?

Harry Palmr

and who are you exactly? Just someone who presumes to carry on where you were forced to leave off. Well I'll let you make the discovery that this is all changing right under your feet.

lawred2

SozBbz wrote: »

Its not a comment on the working class, its a comment on Paul Murphy being faux working class. That his "man of the people" schtick is just a ploy for him to market himself, and its pretty cynical.

He pretends to be the voice of a certain demographic, but lots of people suspect that thats far from his own reality.

So you want him to shop where? To be consistent with what?

Jack1985

Being honest I couldn't imagine anything worse for Aer Lingus then being re-nationalised.

What may be required is a cash injection, with clause for repayment - I think many would support that given how many jobs directly and secondly are involved.

Governments should have no Business in nationalising air travel.

0lddog

I missed the interview ( T.G. )

Did Mr Murphy explain why he didnt want to nationalize the main Irish Airline ?