Reasons calf would be abandoned

Base price · 21-11-2019 12:53pm

I should have mentioned that there is a protocol in place when an animal is stolen. You must inform DAFM and the Gardai as soon as possible giving details including the animals tag number. The Garda records the theft on the PULSE system and they give you the PULSE record number. You then send this along with the animals Passport to your local DAFM District Veterinary Office.

kk.man · 21-11-2019 12:55pm

frillyleaf wrote: »

Because sometimes when we reflect on things we realise that maybe we don’t have the full facts and maybe we believed a spoof. I have clearly stated that in this thread on numerous occasions.

Some people have been quite helpful on this thread which has helped me understand things from a farmers point of view. It’s helped me understand how strict regulations are and in that there is no reason a farmer would “abandon” a calf.

There really is no need to be so defensive, it wasn’t an attack on farmers, quite the opposite in fact.

First and foremost the word 'abandoned' is what you used. This alone will fuel farmers anger. I know of no farmer that has 'abandoned' their animals bar ISCPA cases which all farmers condemns.
Calf issues which are now coming on stream because of accelerated diary production and depressed beef prices. A high ranking Teagasc Official who holds the title of Doctor in an academic field, admitted in the planning of increased diary output they never thought about the diary calf. However none of the aforementioned have led to abandonment of calves.
In modern agriculture every action leaves a trace so if a farmer has no calves to show for cows he has or has no death certs from the relevant animal disposal premises then alarm bells rings.
If you have specific information I as others have stated you can contact the Gardaí, Department of Agriculture or the ISPCA. If you want to remain anonymous I believe Crime Stoppers free phone number has such facility and you might get a financial reward for your civic mindfulness.

Finally you mention your condolence to a poster for the theft of a posters theft of 'cows'. While I am sure your post was well intended and gracefully accepted by 'Base Price'. What this exposed your knowledge of farming, many non farming persons use 'cows' as a collective for bovine animals when in fact all farmers would refer to them as 'cattle'. Your post stinks of you don't know what you are talking about. I as many here draw the conclusion you are a WUM (Wind up merchant). I'd respectfully request the MODS to close this thread, as it has no purpose and taking up space where genuine persons can discuss what they have knowledge about.

frillyleaf · 21-11-2019 12:55pm

Base price wrote: »

There is only 3 ways cattle can legally move off a farm due to stringent DAFM traceability protocols - the first is to be sold privately or through a mart to another farmer, the second is to be sold to a factory for slaughter and the third is if they die on farm. In all cases the movement has to be recorded. For example if I have 100 head of cattle on my farm, I and DAFM have an electronic record of those individual animals at any time. If I sell one or if one dies that electronic record is amended to reflect the movement of that animal. If a calf is born then that birth must be recorded and the calf tagged see post 26.

If an animal is stolen then the above protocols have obviously been bypassed. It is believed that a cross border gang is responsible for a number of these thefts.

That’s terrible people are doing that. It must be stressful for the farmers and obviously the animals that were taken. I assume once they leave Ireland there isn’t need for traceability if it’s thought they are cross border.

It is good that the rules are so strict and that every animal needs to be accounted for. It’s a shame the same rules aren’t applied to horses for example as there is a horse crises in Ireland and thousands are suffering from neglect and not living in suitable conditions without veterinary care or adequate food.

It’s the same as puppy farms, if these types of rules were applied there would be a lot less dogs ending up in shelters and being sold online.

K.G. · 21-11-2019 12:56pm

The reason people are on edge is there is alot of rumour s about dairy born calves at the moment.we live in a strong dairy area and i have never seen or heard of a calf being abandoned. But like any walk of life there is clowns that are capable of doing stupid things but its very rare

Base price · 21-11-2019 1:30pm

frillyleaf wrote: »

That’s terrible people are doing that. It must be stressful for the farmers and obviously the animals that were taken. I assume once they leave Ireland there isn’t need for traceability if it’s thought they are cross border.

It is good that the rules are so strict and that every animal needs to be accounted for. It’s a shame the same rules aren’t applied to horses for example as there is a horse crises in Ireland and thousands are suffering from neglect and not living in suitable conditions without veterinary care or adequate food.

It’s the same as puppy farms, if these types of rules were applied there would be a lot less dogs ending up in shelters and being sold online.

Our farming neighbours in the North of Ireland have to abide by similar traceability protocols implemented by DEFRA - Department of Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs. Both DAFM and DEFRA work together to maintain strict livestock health and welfare standards on the island of Ireland.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-11-2019 2:26pm

frillyleaf wrote: »

As mentioned I did clarify that my wording caused confusion.

Tbh, the tone of a conversation most often follows the tone of the opening post. It sent red flags flying with me as soon as I saw the post. I'll accept that no offence was meant but there was an aggressive tone to that post which would be matched with responses.

I am surprised with the responses I’ve been met with on this thread when I’ve taken the time to try and get an understanding of something.

As mentioned above, a more inquisitive and less hostile post would have yielded the answers you seek. Folk here are going to be extremely wary of single issue posters especially since the false narrative being promoted by RTE on responsibility for climate change.

I’ve never received such hostility asking about an animal welfare issue, usually people try to help people understand something not attack them

We deal with welfare every single hour of each day and every single day of each year. We are more than well aware of welfare issues but, as you admitted, a changing background to your question will raise questions here.

The scope for 'abandonment' of calves is tiny so mentioning a number of cases that you are aware of, second-hand accounts instead of first-hand accounts, isn't going to yield anything other scepticism around here.

In all cases of welfare issues, the appropriate authorities should be the first port of call and background issues discussed later. It's similar to the camera phone recording somebody in danger instead of actually throwing a lifebelt or administration of first aid.

Donald Trump · 21-11-2019 3:49pm

Base price wrote: »

There is only 3 ways cattle can legally move off a farm due to stringent DAFM traceability protocols - the first is to be sold privately or through a mart to another farmer, the second is to be sold to a factory for slaughter and the third is if they die on farm. In all cases the movement has to be recorded. For example if I have 100 head of cattle on my farm, I and DAFM have an electronic record of those individual animals at any time. If I sell one or if one dies that electronic record is amended to reflect the movement of that animal. If a calf is born then that birth must be recorded and the calf tagged see post 26.

If an animal is stolen then the above protocols have obviously been bypassed. It is believed that a cross border gang is responsible for a number of these thefts.

Not to mention that if there is an animal not present for the annual herd test and its not recorded as sold/died then there's going to be a whole different world of shite

patsy_mccabe · 21-11-2019 3:53pm

These nutters want CCTV on all livestock farms. I kid you not .........

https://twitter.com/ethicalfarmIE/status/1197489034454601728

greysides · 21-11-2019 4:06pm

Mod: I think the questions have been answered and can see no good coming of leaving it running.
Thank you everyone for your answers.

Reasons calf would be abandoned

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