Violent Protests In Hong Kong.

Gatling · 04-10-2019 6:54pm

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Police impose emergency powers by banning masks and people hiding their faces.

Reuters

Apparently it's a 100 years old law from the colonial days

igCorcaigh · 04-10-2019 6:57pm

Gatling wrote: »

Apparently it's a 100 years old law from the colonial days

I can see a curfew coming soon.
Hard to see how this will play out.

Unless the authorities concede enough to split the movement... But they have tried that already, although too late.

Any real concessions could spark similar demands in mainland China. I can't see the authorities allowing that.

mzungu · 04-10-2019 8:29pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I can see a curfew coming soon.
Hard to see how this will play out.

Unless the authorities concede enough to split the movement... But they have tried that already, although too late.

Any real concessions could spark similar demands in mainland China. I can't see the authorities allowing that.

China won't worry about that. They know they can get away with a lot more on the mainland. Hard to see how this will all play out in HK.

Gatling · 04-10-2019 9:08pm

mzungu wrote: »

China won't worry about that. They know they can get away with a lot more on the mainland. Hard to see how this will all play out in HK.

It would have to take something big on the mainland to worry the Chinese government as in multiple cities in multiple regions to come out and have mass protests till then it's business as usual

4068ac1elhodqr · 04-10-2019 9:15pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Does Hong Kong have that Chinese CCTV with facial recognition technology?

Absouloutely, protesters were busy sawing them down (5g smart lampposts) a week or two ago with portable anglegrinders.

There may be a few techniques to get around them, but none guaranteed.

Even leaving their smartphones switched on might be enough to track folks with though bt-beacons and 3rd party apps. Having a slightly funny walk or limp will also be recognised via gait profiling.

Muahahaha · 05-10-2019 2:46pm

Frances Rich Case wrote: »

Even leaving their smartphones switched on might be enough to track folks with though bt-beacons and 3rd party apps. Having a slightly funny walk or limp will also be recognised via gait profiling.

I presume you mean even if their phone is switched off they can still be tracked. That is really frightening stuff coupled with their kangaroo courts and having one of the largest prison populations in the world.

4068ac1elhodqr · 05-10-2019 3:33pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

I presume you mean even if their phone is switched off they can still be tracked. That is really frightening stuff coupled with their kangaroo courts and having one of the largest prison populations in the world.

On/off, bluetooth, wifi, even card RFID signatures may be captured. With this new ban coming into place, they'll have to get creative with iR-leds, silicone overlays or maybe just a simple 'algorithm overloaded attire' e.g.

The base systems are designed for about 200 (localised) faces per second, present it with 200,000 condensed and perhaps: os.system("shutdown /s /t 1"); nStarting, or something would result in a temporary crash.

riffmongous · 05-10-2019 5:38pm

Just to point out that a face mask ban already exists in many European countries and being filmed while attending pretty much any protest is the norm.

dwayneshintzy · 06-10-2019 5:15am

Very few of the countries in Europe with a ban have it on the criminal code (I think only France, and that's only recently in response to their own protests). As well as the potential for arrest, it's been brought in under a colonial era law which allows the Chief Executive to bring in any measures they'd like to quell disorder.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 15-10-2019 10:57pm

Anyone following the story about the protester who drowned in the harbour. Suspicious circumstances. Causing more violence. Are the protests calming down or is this just the beginning. They are in the news less and less but I still support them. Yes they are increasingly violent however they are fighting a regime that has over a million people in a concentration camp. I think the police are a disgrace. As soon as they put on that uniform they are defending a fascist dictatorship. Let it fall!

biko · 19-10-2019 11:04am

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1185350564302983169

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gutenberg · 19-10-2019 12:15pm

The NY Times has a great podcast series, 'The Daily', and a recent episode was about China, the NBA and Hong Kong. Absolutely fascinating & worth a listen, especially in light of the posts above about protesters at NBA games.

19-10-2019 12:58pm

Kimsang wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuHmFkbuihc

That was brilliant!

Suckit · 11-11-2019 7:39pm

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-hong-kong-protests-man-20857635

Richard Hillman · 11-11-2019 7:46pm

I think the last couple of days have entered the land of no return for Hong Kong.

The policing system is now untenable, and the pro independence groups have also crossed a line.

I can see the Chinese rolling in over the next few weeks.

Suckit · 11-11-2019 8:08pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think the last couple of days have entered the land of no return for Hong Kong.

The policing system is now untenable, and the pro independence groups have also crossed a line.

I can see the Chinese rolling in over the next few weeks.

Was thinking pretty much the same. That video is up on another site in full. I didn't have the volume up but wouldn't have understood it anyway, The older guy looked very calm, was just talking and presumably didn't agree with them.

Was not expecting what happened next :eek::mad::(
I searched and the link above is the first result. I imagine that amongst a few other smaller/indivdual attacks by the protestors will be the beginning of the end for them.

Richard Hillman · 11-11-2019 8:56pm

Suckit wrote: »

Was thinking pretty much the same. That video is up on another site in full. I didn't have the volume up but wouldn't have understood it anyway, The older guy looked very calm, was just talking and presumably didn't agree with them.

Was not expecting what happened next :eek::mad::(
I searched and the link above is the first result. I imagine that amongst a few other smaller/indivdual attacks by the protestors will be the beginning of the end for them.

There is a second video of it from behind. It is wierd as ****. Somebody just runs up from a good bit back, balaclava on and does what he does.

Saying that, he was bloodied before the incident so there was obviously some sort of altercation before it.

Gringo180 · 11-11-2019 9:00pm

Hopefully the Chinese come in and put some manners on these protesters.

Suckit · 11-11-2019 9:55pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is a second video of it from behind. It is wierd as ****. Somebody just runs up from a good bit back, balaclava on and does what he does.

Saying that, he was bloodied before the incident so there was obviously some sort of altercation before it.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/hong-kong-protests-man-set-on-fire-police-investigating-12082718

Tse said shortly before the attack, masked protesters had trashed the nearby Ma On Shan train station and investigators believe the man "chased the rioters".
"Afterwards he was beaten up and set on fire," Tse said.
A hospital authority spokeswoman said a man with burns had been admitted to Prince of Wales Hospital, the closest facility to Ma On Shan.

Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/hong-kong-protests-man-set-on-fire-police-investigating-12082718

Hope they caught him.

recedite · 12-11-2019 9:29am

Idiot tries to grab a gun from a policeman. Gets himself shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhWJLxzZMg

BlackandGreen · 12-11-2019 9:31am

They Hong Kongers haven been driven to this. The city has turned into a police state for the past several months now.

I know most of you haven't been following it but in recent weeks we've seen the police turn even more ruthless. Freedom is gone. It's no more akin to mainland China where the Uighurs freedom eventually erroded to dystopian police state.

This is exactly how it went for them too. They protested and rioted just as much. They were brutally beaten and subdued and now a decade later they're all in concentration camps and their autonomous region has been wiped clean, akin to something from City 17 from Half Life.

HK Police:

They've raided houses and apartment blocks of residents not even involved in the protests.

They're arriving unannounced to non protest area's like the central business district, packed full of workers and just tear gassed with no warning.

They've raided restaurants and fastfood places, tear gassing them...unnanounced while people simply were shopping/eating.

They rocked up to a local mosque and blasted the patrons with blue water while they were simply just standing outside.

They've been recorded dozens of times going full roid rage mode, and beating people indiscriminately for no reason at all. Recorded taunting protestors daily, calling them cockroaches and that they're going to get their revenge (for what???).

When several protestors were cleared of any wrongdoing at a court due to the insufficient, and blatant incorrect evidence. They were set free, and within a few minutes 100 police stormed the court room to RE-ARREST them because the police disagree'd with the court.

All protestors spoke out against setting the man on fire.

But this is what you're going to see. You have millions on the street protesting, and you also have opposite factions and mainland Chinese shipped in to stir unrest and conflict between the groups.
People are beyond breaking point so you're going to see atrocities being performed.

I'll re-iterate, It's a POLICE STATE now, carrie lam is a puppet and unable to control the police, and the PRC are using her.

None of this would have ever gotten to this stage if the Police and Government(PRC) didn't allow it to happen.

Hong Kongers are highly educated and informed people, just look at any of the discussion and dialogue they're having on forums, twitter, reddit, youtube etc. They're far more passionate about their freedom and city than the average Irish dipstick who wants them to bend over and be steamrolled by China.

They know how bad it's gotten, and at this stage they're saying "if we burn, you burn with us". They're not submitting to the dictatorship that is the PRC without a fight.

I urge you all to actually keep up with the daily happenings in hong kong to get a proper understanding of what is happening. It's absolutely cringe inducing seeing the dog-ignorant thick opinions of Irish people online regarding Hong Kong.

And to the people wishing for "the chinese to put some manners on them". A big f*ck you for wishing the faith of Xinjiang on Hong Kong. You are essentially wishing for fascism.

pjohnson · 12-11-2019 9:32am

recedite wrote: »

Idiot tries to grab a gun from a policeman. Gets himself shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhWJLxzZMg

The policeman on the bike seems the biggest gob****e from that video. Traffic cops beating him on the ground dont look great either tbh.

recedite · 12-11-2019 9:41am

pjohnson wrote: »

The policeman on the bike seems the biggest gob****e from that video.

How about the mindless vandalism at 1.20? No point to it at all, except provocation. Anarchists trying to provoke a fascist response.
So far the Chinese have not interfered, but if they do, they will make those Hong Kong policemen look like playground supervisors.

BlackandGreen · 12-11-2019 9:41am

recedite wrote: »

Idiot tries to grab a gun from a policeman. Gets himself shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhWJLxzZMg

Correct yourself. Roided up cop runs into crowd, draws gun and pushes it into person chest while his hands are by his side.
2 minutes in.

BlackandGreen · 12-11-2019 9:42am

recedite wrote: »

How about the mindless vandalism at 1.20? No point to it at all, except provocation. Anarchists trying to provoke a fascist response.
So far the Chinese have not interfered, but if they do, they will make those Hong Kong policemen look like playground supervisors.

You obviously know nothing about this movement. Jesus christ go back and educate yourself.

"But what about the vandalism" is the most whingey hand wringing cop out.

Imagine your country, livelihood and freedom being invaded and taken from you. Imagine your people being beaten and subdued daily and everything you once enjoyed being ripped from your hands.

Think back to when the British were occupying Ireland. Imagine you standing around during the early 1900's while the brits beat and massacred Irish people and saying "b-but the vandalism". Do you even understand protesting? Do you even know why theve been driven to vandalism? This isn't a small bunch of teenagers in tallaght on halloween night. They have been driven to this. This is desperation.

recedite · 12-11-2019 9:51am

Just a drill. For now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kT9EAXiBnw

BlackandGreen · 12-11-2019 9:52am

A couple more videos you should all see. From the past WEEK.

https://old.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dutdvf/compilation_of_some_of_the_police_brutality/

https://old.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dv5b3q/hong_kong_police_attack_pregnant_woman/

https://old.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dur5ap/this_is_the_most_important_video_of_today_if_you/

https://old.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dv3016/police_commander_ordering_to_aim_for_the_head/

Elmer Blooker · 12-11-2019 11:14am

BlackandGreen wrote: »

Imagine your country, livelihood and freedom being invaded and taken from you. Imagine your people being beaten and subdued daily and everything you once enjoyed being ripped from your hands.

Pre 1997 Hong Kong was governed from London on the other side of the planet.
You obviously never heard of how the authorities brutally put down demonstrations in 1967, tactics learned and to be put to good use only a few later in Northern Ireland.
You mentioned 'freedom'?

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auspicious · 12-11-2019 12:09pm

-Imagine your country, livelihood and freedom being invaded and taken from you. Imagine your people being beaten and subdued daily and everything you once enjoyed being ripped from your hands.-

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Pre 1997 Hong Kong was governed from London on the other side of the planet.
You obviously never heard of how the authorities brutally put down demonstrations in 1967,
You mentioned 'freedom'?

Well that's the sad fact. Neo-fascist tendencies come in many guises.

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 12:30pm

recedite wrote: »

Idiot tries to grab a gun from a policeman. Gets himself shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhWJLxzZMg

At no point did the kid who was shot try to grab the policeman's gun.

Suckit · 12-11-2019 12:40pm

BlackandGreen wrote: »

I know most of you haven't been following it but in recent weeks we've seen the police turn even more ruthless. Freedom is gone. It's no more akin to mainland China where the Uighurs freedom eventually erroded to dystopian police state.

I havent been following it, and while the Police may be ruthless, the protestors aren't any better.

That video setting the older guy on fire after beating him. F**k sake :mad:.

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 1:03pm

Suckit wrote: »

I havent been following it, and while the Police may be ruthless, the protestors aren't any better.

That video setting the older guy on fire after beating him. F**k sake :mad:.

Well that's your problem then, you could have stopped right there.

Idiotic and senseless police tactics over the past few months have escalated things to where they are today. They were roaring at protests on Friday that they were gonna celebrate and crack out the champagne, because a protestor had died. They routinely call protestors "cockroaches", they attacked a pregnant woman today. They put out memorials, they face no accountability. They fired teargas outside primary schools yesterday (with kids inside). This is before even mentioning the kids they've shot.

recedite · 12-11-2019 1:08pm

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

At no point did the kid who was shot try to grab the policeman's gun.

Oh yes he did.

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 1:17pm

A small swipe at the gun from a few feet away wasn't "trying to grab his gun". Here's the moment the cop shot him;

Suckit · 12-11-2019 1:17pm

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Well that's your problem then, you could have stopped right there.
Idiotic and senseless police tactics over the past few months have escalated things to where they are today. They were roaring at protests on Friday that they were gonna celebrate and crack out the champagne, because a protestor had died. They routinely call protestors "cockroaches", they attacked a pregnant woman today. They put out memorials, they face no accountability. They fired teargas outside primary schools yesterday (with kids inside). This is before even mentioning the kids they've shot.

So Western media should just stop all coverage of it? Or is it only a select few that can follow what's happening, or is it compulsory that you must have been following from the start?
I stumbled across the video by accident, and no matter what the Police are doing over there, that diesn't excuse the actions of the scumbag that doused him and set him on fire.
I didn't refer to anything else, although I am aware of plenty of stories from both sides without agreeing with either.

recedite · 12-11-2019 1:20pm

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

A small swipe at the gun

:pac: Are you for real?
Shur he only got a small bullet in return, the stupid guy is still alive.

volchitsa · 12-11-2019 1:23pm

recedite wrote: »

Oh yes he did.

You make it sound like he was trying to steal a gun from a policeman who wasn't actively hostile, when in fact it was the policeman who was attacking - he actually pointing it at the guy, who could have been telling him to put it away, for all we know. Not the same as reaching for a gun in a holster, or one pointed somewhere else.

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 1:24pm

recedite wrote: »

:pac: Are you for real?
Shur he only got a small bullet in return, the stupid guy is still alive.

I am for real. He didn't try to grab the gun, he wasn't armed, his shooting wasn't justified. The cop had grabbed your other man cause he had no control over the situation, he was itching to shoot someone. He shouldn't have had his pistol drawn in the first place, same as other cops about the place yesterday shouldn't have. Seemed a directive to draw them to intimidate, and this happened as a result.

Are you following these protests, recedite?

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 1:25pm

"the stupid guy is still alive"

Would you rather he was dead? He's most likely a teenager, secondary school or university student. Him dying will only inflame things further.

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 1:29pm

Suckit wrote: »

So Western media should just stop all coverage of it? Or is it only a select few that can follow what's happening, or is it compulsory that you must have been following from the start?
I stumbled across the video by accident, and no matter what the Police are doing over there, that diesn't excuse the actions of the scumbag that doused him and set him on fire.
I didn't refer to anything else, although I am aware of plenty of stories from both sides without agreeing with either.

You referred to "protestors", not the single protestor who set the man on fire (and who should be done for attempted murder). Of course police action doesn't excuse it, as almost all protestors will agree.

Violent, radical protests have also increased yes. But that's not all the protests have been about, this has been going on for a while. To equate the ruthless and ridiculous actions of the police with protestors being "no better" shows that you've not got a good read on the situation, no.

Overheal · 12-11-2019 1:30pm

recedite wrote: »

Idiot tries to grab a gun from a policeman. Gets himself shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhWJLxzZMg

Not exactly in a holster was it? Which your description seemed to imply

Pintman Paddy Losty · 12-11-2019 1:39pm

I actually can't believe how restrained the HK police have been. In the US or even Europe this type of violence would be crushed by now.

Setting people on fire and still you have morons here defending it.

This is no longer a protest. Its a bunch of hooligans who have lost the run of themselves. They have no backing from the majority of people in HK who want to get on with daily life.

Being honest I wouldn't shed a tear if the PLA marched over the border and ruthlessly crushed these punks. Obliterated anyone in the way. They only have themselves to blame now.

Suckit · 12-11-2019 1:39pm

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

You referred to "protestors", not the single protestor who set the man on fire (and who should be done for attempted murder). Of course police action doesn't excuse it, as almost all protestors will agree.

Violent, radical protests have also increased yes. But that's not all the protests have been about, this has been going on for a while. To equate the ruthless and ridiculous actions of the police with protestors being "no better" shows that you've not got a good read on the situation, no.

I admitted I haven't been following it. You reckoned I should have stopped there, by that logic I wouldn't find out any further happenings.

As for you whole post above..
It sounds a bit like an oxymoron.

By the way. - I said I hadn't been following it. Not that I was oblivious to what is happening over there.

Elmer Blooker · 12-11-2019 1:41pm

Suckit wrote: »

I havent been following it, and while the Police may be ruthless, the protestors aren't any better.

That video setting the older guy on fire after beating him. F**k sake :mad:.

I've seen a LOT worse on the news from French riot cops and the Civil Guardia in Barcelona.

Interesting to note that the baton round was developed in Hong Kong by the British to keep the natives in check, first of all wooden and later plastic and rubber in Northern Ireland to be used exclusively against the Catholic population.

The Hong Kong police developed wooden baton rounds, but they were liable to splinter and cause wounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 1:41pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I actually can't believe how restrained the HK police have been. In the US or even Europe this type of violence would be crushed by now.

Setting people on fire and still you have morons here defending it.

This is no longer a protest. Its a bunch of hooligans who have lost the run of themselves. They have no backing from the majority of people in HK who want to get on with daily life.

Being honest I wouldn't shed a tear if the PLA marched over the border and ruthlessly crushed these punks. Obliterated anyone in the way. They only have themselves to blame now.

Who's defended it?

How many people in HK have you spoken to about the protests? What's your read on their support for Carrie Lam and the police?

Pintman Paddy Losty · 12-11-2019 1:47pm

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Who's defended it?

How many people in HK have you spoken to about the protests? What's your read on their support for Carrie Lam and the police?

People response to the man being burned alive is "but but but the police..."

I lived in Hong Kong for 3 years. Still have many friends there. They are not happy with CL but mostly due to her having lost complete control. They have even less respect for the "protestors" who are now a violent bunch of thugs. Smashing businesses, stealing, attacking people including women and children. You can defend peaceful protest, even very disruptive stuff like sitting in the road. You can not defend wanton destruction and violent assault which is what this had become.

Time to crack down hard.

recedite · 12-11-2019 1:49pm

volchitsa wrote: »

You make it sound like he was trying to steal a gun from a policeman who wasn't actively hostile, when in fact it was the policeman who was attacking - he actually pointing it at the guy, who could have been telling him to put it away, for all we know. Not the same as reaching for a gun in a holster, or one pointed somewhere else.

The cop was literally walking backwards with another guy he had apprehended, trying to de-escalate the situation.
A guy pursuing him and tries to grab the gun. In that situation, there is only one possible outcome.

Overheal · 12-11-2019 1:52pm

recedite wrote: »

The cop was literally walking backwards with another guy he had apprehended, trying to de-escalate the situation.
A guy pursuing him and tries to grab the gun. In that situation, there is only one possible outcome.

“Trying to de-escalate?”

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 1:54pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

People response to the man being burned alive is "but but but the police..."

I lived in Hong Kong for 3 years. Still have many friends there. They are not happy with CL but mostly due to her having lost complete control. They have even less respect for the "protestors" who are now a violent bunch of thugs. Smashing businesses, stealing, attacking people including women and children. You can defend peaceful protest, even very disruptive stuff like sitting in the road. You can not defend wanton destruction and violent assault which is what this had become.

Time to crack down hard.

There's no defending the protestor in Ma On Shan, and I don't see where you're getting this from.

I also know plenty of people in HK. Support for the police is incredibly low. Anecdotally, I can tell you of quite few locals who would have defended police up until this weekend. Seeing that kid get shot has shaken even them to the point where they believe that the cops have lost all control. Most people believed that of the cops months ago. Sure that's why one of the five demands is an investigation into their actions and tactics.

dwayneshintzy · 12-11-2019 1:55pm

Overheal wrote: »

“Trying to de-escalate?”

De-escalating the situation by grabbing a protestor by his throat and drawing his gun.

And that man he grabbed, that was such a threat and necessitated him drawing his gun? Cops just let him walk off as soon as they'd fired shots at the other protestors.

Violent Protests In Hong Kong.

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