F1 2019 - Round 13 Belgium

lfc200 · 31-08-2019 6:09pm

Horrific crash, awful news. RIP

antodeco · 31-08-2019 6:28pm

Horrible news. Saw the crash. RIP.

I think it was one of those crashes that couldn't have been prevented. The barrier, used to protect drivers, caused him to bounce back into the track. So so sad to see someone killed doing what they love. He was only 22 as well. He had won 2 races this season, Monaco and his home GP.

Larbre34 · 31-08-2019 6:36pm

RIP, a terrible event.

I disagree about the possible prevention of the accident however, that Raidillon curve is notorious in tin top racing for the funnelling of cars and lack of run-off. As much as i hate the sterile modern tracks, they would have provided far greater run-off and room to manoeuvre for approaching cars to add that extra second of time and space. Cars are also at full acceleration there and unloaded under the high G and switchback nature of Eau Rouge into Raidillon.

In fact it could be curtains for Spa on the F1 calendar unless they can address this satisfactorily.

TCP/IP · 31-08-2019 6:45pm

It will not be curtains for SPA and if it was all drivers should just pack up and go home. Racing is a dangerous sport and drivers accept that risk.

RIP Anthoine Hubert died doing what he loved.

This is it · 31-08-2019 7:03pm

RIP

Larbre34 · 31-08-2019 7:10pm

TCP/IP wrote: »

It will not be curtains for SPA and if it was all drivers should just pack up and go home. Racing is a dangerous sport and drivers accept that risk.

RIP Anthoine Hubert died doing what he loved.

I don't disagree that he didn't or that drivers don't accept risks, but circuits have been modified before to mitigate risk, some that haven't have disappeared off schedules. There will be a conversation in due course I believe.

dublinman1990 · 31-08-2019 7:16pm

Oh Jesus. I just saw the crash on YT. Horrible crash. It's heartbreaking to know that a F2 driver was killed in the crash.

My love & support goes to Antione Hubert's family. RIP.

walshb · 31-08-2019 7:16pm

Serious crash that. Terrible.

dublinman1990 · 31-08-2019 7:38pm

Steve Jones just made the announcement of Hubert's death near the end of the F1 highlights coverage on C4.

31-08-2019 7:45pm

RIP, horrific news!

Charlie-Bravo · 31-08-2019 7:45pm

Sad to hear of Hubert's fatal accident. A great Racer. May he rest in peace.

mickdw · 31-08-2019 8:00pm

I was surprised at how quickly broadcasters stopped the pictures. Pretty much no footage shown at all of the crash or aftermath. Proper order too if they were aware of how serious it was.
It must not have looked at all survivable from the pictures they had.

Cool_CM · 31-08-2019 8:01pm

mickdw wrote: »

I was surprised at how quickly broadcasters stopped the pictures. Pretty much no footage shown at all of the crash or aftermath. Proper order too if they were aware of how serious it was.
It must not have looked at all survivable from the pictures they had.

Lewis was being interviewed at the time, his reaction says it all

https://twitter.com/AlertaRacing/status/1167832731444830219

The Sun initially put spectator footage of the impact on their article and a Twitter image of a
mid-crash close up of his helmet in the broken monocoque. Complete scummers.

Burkie1203 · 31-08-2019 8:03pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Steve Jones just made the announcement of Hubert's death near the end of the F1 highlights coverage on C4.

And he struggled to make it too. Thought he handled it well

walshb · 31-08-2019 8:17pm

It was Hubert’s car that hit wall?

Any news on the driver who smashed into Hubert?

This is it · 31-08-2019 8:22pm

walshb wrote: »

It was Hubert’s car that hit wall?

Any news on the driver who smashed into Hubert?

Stable apparently

Ohmeha · 31-08-2019 8:49pm

mickdw wrote: »

I was surprised at how quickly broadcasters stopped the pictures. Pretty much no footage shown at all of the crash or aftermath. Proper order too if they were aware of how serious it was.
It must not have looked at all survivable from the pictures they had.

The live broadcast was slow and did not pick up the first accident and only switched camera after 7 seconds which was then milliseconds after Correa's impact with Hubert. There is other clearer amateur footage of the accident which I have seen, it was evidently a horrific and potentially a life-threatening accident for any of the driver's involved so the broadcasters would have immediately realized the same, sadly Hubert lost his life and if Correa has escaped without any serious injuries he is very lucky

mickdw · 31-08-2019 8:55pm

Ya I've seen the fan footage.
It would appear once he was hit side on at speed that he would need luck on his side to survive it.

skipper_G · 31-08-2019 9:08pm

mickdw wrote: »

I was surprised at how quickly broadcasters stopped the pictures. Pretty much no footage shown at all of the crash or aftermath. Proper order too if they were aware of how serious it was.
It must not have looked at all survivable from the pictures they had.

I recorded it but sat down to watch it after the rugby finished, unaware of what had happened at the time. In the immediate aftermath there was a flash to a camera angle which showed the Arden torn in two pieces. It was a momentary glimpse at something utterly horrific. I never wish to see it again.

Harika · 31-08-2019 9:10pm

Class act from Indycar today

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Rest in peace

glenfieldman · 31-08-2019 9:30pm

Ferrari PR were getting a lot of slack for tweeting the qualifying times minutes after his death was announced

dublinman1990 · 31-08-2019 9:32pm

I wouldn't have known much about Antione Hubert's career as a motorsport driver. But I did watch a short fan clip of the crash on YT this evening & I was horrified by the outcome of it. It was just so shocking to see it happen so suddenly. It was like relaying the images of Billy Monger's F3 crash in my head when he lost his legs when he talked about it from his BBC III documentary on BBC Two in January. Yes Billy Monger did survive the crash but Jules Bianchi, who is Charles LeClerc's godfather, didn't have that luxury of surviving his huge F1 accident. He died in his mid 20's. It shows us that competing in something like motorsport is primarily not a safe thing to do when people take part in it as a career when may not fully take stock of the whole surroundings around them when they are out on the race track. If you do something wrong in the sport which has the potential to endanger your life so abruptly; the effect of that pain spreads very rapidly to other people to others who do love you & care for you throughout your whole life. I watched Steve Jones announcement about Hubert's death just before the end of the highlights coverage on Channel 4 this evening. It just felt like a body blow to him when he was saying it to the TV audience out on camera. He just felt awful about what happened to Antione. He did his best to relay the message to the F1 viewers who had missed the race earlier that day. I do wonder about how the Channel 4 team will handle the reaction of this news tomorrow because, as a mark of respect to Hubert's family & team mates, it has been officially confirmed this evening in the statement above that the F2 race which was due to take place at Spa tomorrow has been cancelled.

AMKC · 31-08-2019 11:12pm

That is terrible to hear of that young Formula 2 driver killed. May he Rest in Peace. Too young.

I hope there is a minutes silence for him tomorrow by the F1 drivers before the race starts.

Only just watching the Channel 4 highlights now but it seems unimportant after hearing that this driver was killed. It really brings the danger of the sport back to the front. They can have Hans devices and Halos but it only takes one freak accident like this today for us and the drivers to be reminded that this is still a dangerous sport and sometimes all the safety devices in the world are just not enough.

flazio · 01-09-2019 9:45am

New day. Let's just hope, for the sake of Anthonie, we have a great entertaining race today.

weekaizer · 01-09-2019 10:12am

flazio wrote: »

New day. Let's just hope, for the sake of Anthonie, we have a great entertaining race today.

Indeed a sad day yesterday, let’s hope we have a classic multi driver battle for the win, it should be a decent 4 or 5 way battle for victory, depending on verstappens pace. Be interesting to see how ricciardo, raikkonen and Sainz get on also.

mickdw · 01-09-2019 10:37am

I think the entire race weekend should be called off when there is a death on track.
It makes little of it when everything is full speed ahead immediately.
I know there are commitments / contracts tied up all over but this type of situation should be accounted for.

flazio · 01-09-2019 11:02am

I understand where you are coming from, but nobody in the paddock, including Anthonies family see the continuation as an insult to his memory. Life has to move on, learning from what has happened.
Same as when somebody tragically loses their life on a public road. Road is closed, investigation is carried out , road is open again next day and everyone carries on with their lives.
A lot of people when someone dies ask themselves "what can I do now?" and in many cases the answer is "do what you do best". They are racers. They will race.

skipper_G · 01-09-2019 11:41am

A piece worth reading

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/49537765

This is it · 01-09-2019 11:50am

That's a great piece

jv2000 · 01-09-2019 1:02pm

mickdw wrote: »

I think the entire race weekend should be called off when there is a death on track.
It makes little of it when everything is full speed ahead immediately.
I know there are commitments / contracts tied up all over but this type of situation should be accounted for.

I agree with the sentiment but don't believe this would ever happen, even if it was a F1 driver killed in practice/qualifying it is debatable if the race would actually be called off. There are too many committments as you have mentioned and the reality is that the race viewership would be probably increased in such a situation.... you know what the likes of sports broadcasters are like, the show must go on unfortunately. Also imagine if Imola 1994 was cancelled due to Ratzenburgers crash in qualifying on the Saturday. Arguably there were less commercial committments back then.

chicorytip · 01-09-2019 1:11pm

skipper_G wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

I was surprised at how quickly broadcasters stopped the pictures. Pretty much no footage shown at all of the crash or aftermath. Proper order too if they were aware of how serious it was.
It must not have looked at all survivable from the pictures they had.

I recorded it but sat down to watch it after the rugby finished, unaware of what had happened at the time. In the immediate aftermath there was a flash to a camera angle which showed the Arden torn in two pieces. It was a momentary glimpse at something utterly horrific. I never wish to see it again.

I am incredulous that such catastrophic damage can still occur at this level of motorsport in 2019. The major improvements in safety made by F1 have clearly not been even partially implemented throughout the lower formulae. No professional racing driver, in this day and age, should be exposed to even the risk of being killed or suffering life changing injuries as a result of what is the failure of governance in the sport.

Indestructable · 01-09-2019 1:14pm

chicorytip wrote: »

I am incredulous that such catastrophic damage can still occur at this level of motorsport in 2019. The major improvements in safety made by F1 have clearly not been even partially implemented throughout the lower formulae. No professional racing driver, in this day and age, should be exposed to even the risk of being killed or suffering life changing injuries as a result of what is the failure of governance in the sport.

What utter, utter nonsense.

This is it · 01-09-2019 1:14pm

chicorytip wrote: »

I am incredulous that such catastrophic damage can still occur at this level of motorsport in 2019. The major improvements in safety made by F1 have clearly not been even partially implemented throughout the lower formulae. No professional racing driver, in this day and age, should be exposed to even the risk of being killed or suffering life changing injuries as a result of what is the failure of governance in the sport.

Motorsports is dangerous. The only way to avoid injury completely, or worst case death, is to cancel it.

the culture of deference · 01-09-2019 1:17pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

This should give teams idea's, looks like a great photshopped print

Faugheen · 01-09-2019 1:20pm

chicorytip wrote: »

skipper_G wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

I was surprised at how quickly broadcasters stopped the pictures. Pretty much no footage shown at all of the crash or aftermath. Proper order too if they were aware of how serious it was.
It must not have looked at all survivable from the pictures they had.

I recorded it but sat down to watch it after the rugby finished, unaware of what had happened at the time. In the immediate aftermath there was a flash to a camera angle which showed the Arden torn in two pieces. It was a momentary glimpse at something utterly horrific. I never wish to see it again.

I am incredulous that such catastrophic damage can still occur at this level of motorsport in 2019. The major improvements in safety made by F1 have clearly not been even partially implemented throughout the lower formulae. No professional racing driver, in this day and age, should be exposed to even the risk of being killed or suffering life changing injuries as a result of what is the failure of governance in the sport.

This is horse****. It was a complete freak accident.

Can bosses learn from this? Of course they can, but to even suggest that they haven’t implemented safety improvements or to blame the governance of the sport on a complete freak accident is pie-in-the-sky, flat earth, anti-vaxxer levels of conspiracy and bollocks.

The fact you’re politicising this is a disgrace. There’s a lot wrong with the governance of the FIA, but there is very little they could have done to prevent a car smashing the barrier and then getting t-boned at high speed.

the_pen_turner · 01-09-2019 1:33pm

chicorytip wrote: »

I am incredulous that such catastrophic damage can still occur at this level of motorsport in 2019. The major improvements in safety made by F1 have clearly not been even partially implemented throughout the lower formulae. No professional racing driver, in this day and age, should be exposed to even the risk of being killed or suffering life changing injuries as a result of what is the failure of governance in the sport.

what could they have done diferently.
it was a freak accident

Inviere · 01-09-2019 1:34pm

chicorytip wrote: »

I am incredulous that such catastrophic damage can still occur at this level of motorsport in 2019. The major improvements in safety made by F1 have clearly not been even partially implemented throughout the lower formulae. No professional racing driver, in this day and age, should be exposed to even the risk of being killed or suffering life changing injuries as a result of what is the failure of governance in the sport.

I think that's the straw, it's ignore list time :rolleyes:

deafroadrunner · 01-09-2019 1:44pm

I think today will be the day Charles win. Mercs will lose too much time on the straights.

This is it · 01-09-2019 1:44pm

deafroadrunner wrote: »

I think today will be the day Charles win. Mercs will lose too much time on the straights.

Here's hoping

Inviere · 01-09-2019 1:46pm

deafroadrunner wrote: »

I think today will be the day Charles win. Mercs will lose too much time on the straights.

What is the Ferrari race pace like though? Can they hold back the Mercs & Max for 44 laps? I do have a feeling though that Charles will get the job done today...

Cool_CM · 01-09-2019 1:52pm

The fact that this is something that we are not used to experiencing in the modern age makes more of a statement about how far safety has come than anything else.

Here's hoping for a good race - would be great to see Charles win it.

deafroadrunner · 01-09-2019 1:53pm

Inviere wrote: »

What is the Ferrari race pace like though? Can they hold back the Mercs & Max for 44 laps? I do have a feeling though that Charles will get the job done today...

I think if Charles gets a decent start I can see vettell attempting to hold up the pack if there off the pace, but this track should suit them

This is it · 01-09-2019 1:57pm

So very sad, poor fella.

flazio · 01-09-2019 1:58pm

Simon, stop bringing it up and just let the drivers get their head in the game.

Jordan 199 · 01-09-2019 1:58pm

I think there will be engine failures today.

Itssoeasy · 01-09-2019 2:10pm

Right for jaysus sake ferrari keep the cars on the track please.

Itssoeasy · 01-09-2019 2:12pm

So sky are meant to be neutral is it martin ? you could have fooled me.

deafroadrunner · 01-09-2019 2:13pm

Serious amount of Dutch fans here for this.

Itssoeasy · 01-09-2019 2:13pm

deafroadrunner wrote: »

Serious amount of Dutch fans here for this.

Normally are at spa.

skipper_G · 01-09-2019 2:13pm

I wouldn't mind a race of attrition with a few mechanical failures. Sneaky bet on a Perez podium at 70-1

F1 2019 - Round 13 Belgium

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