The Healy Raes

janfebmar · 01-06-2019 10:11pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I said I wasn't their greatest fan . But if the alternative is Leo who smiles while the country goes to the dogs , well the HR at least move their arses and do something .

I am no fan of Leo either. However we are talking about the Healy Reas. You say "well the HR at least move their arses and do something".....suppose that something is just interfere in the queing system and move their non-cronies further down the list?

iamwhoiam · 01-06-2019 10:16pm

janfebmar wrote: »

I am no fan of Leo either. However we are talking about the Healy Reas. You say "well the HR at least move their arses and do something".....suppose that something is just interfere in the queing system and move their non-cronies further down the list?

Its not all they do and well we know it
But they do a lot more than smile and look good while children are homeless and sick people on trollies and carers of special needs children loose their allowance . And childrens hospital costs us gizzilions , and people are living in near tenement condition

Dakota Dan · 01-06-2019 10:19pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I said I wasn't their greatest fan . But if the alternative is Leo who smiles while the country goes to the dogs , well the HR at least move their arses and do something .

Leo is more interested in the latest girl band instead of running the country, pure waste of space. BTW the eejit went to the spice girls, I know a woman that got a free ticket to the corporate box and she was alone at the bar with Leo so she decided to strike up a conversation with him and the bloody fool couldn't even hold a conversation.

Balanadan · 01-06-2019 10:28pm

We could do with a few more politicians like the Healy Raes. We'd have a stronger democracy, a more prosperous country, that works for the good, honest, hard-working people of Ireland.

janfebmar · 01-06-2019 10:30pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Leo is more interested in the latest girl band instead of running the country, pure waste of space. BTW the eejit went to the spice girls, I know a woman that got a free ticket to the corporate box and she was alone at the bar with Leo so she decided to strike up a conversation with him and the bloody fool couldn't even hold a conversation.

So your argument is the Healy Raes are bad, but "Whatabout" Leo. Whataboutery at its best. Is that what this country has sunk to, a choice between the Haely Raes and Leo as the only ones who can represent us? As the well spoken and eloquent Gay Byrne said many years ago, its time to hand the country back to the Queen with a note of Apology. lol.

Dakota Dan · 01-06-2019 10:36pm

janfebmar wrote: »

So your argument is the Healy Raes are bad, but "Whatabout" Leo. Whataboutery at its best. Is that what this country has sunk to, a choice between the Haely Raes and Leo as the only ones who can represent us? As the well spoken and eloquent Gay Byrne said many years ago, its time to hand the country back to the Queen with a note of Apology. lol.

Where exactly did I compare Leo to the Healy Raes? I just said the fool can't even hold a conversation and is more interested in the latest girl band. Also who gives a fiddlers fcuk what Gay Byrne thinks?

Tell me how · 01-06-2019 10:40pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Where exactly did I compare Leo to the Healy Raes? I just said the fool can't even hold a conversation and is more interested in the latest girl band. Also who gives a fiddlers fcuk what Gay Byrne thinks?

Have you ever had a someone who had consumed a bit too much liquid refreshment try to engage in conversation when at a bar or waiting for a taxi or whatever?

In such situations, the best thing to say is often nothing at all.

Dakota Dan · 01-06-2019 10:42pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you ever had a someone who had consumed a bit too much liquid refreshment try to engage in conversation when at a bar or waiting for a taxi or whatever?

In such situations, the best thing to say is often nothing at all.

So which one are you implying was drunk?

janfebmar · 01-06-2019 10:42pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Where exactly did I compare Leo to the Healy Raes? I just said the fool can't even hold a conversation and is more interested in the latest girl band. Also who gives a fiddlers fcuk what Gay Byrne thinks?

Why bring up Leo so? At least unlike Leo and the Healy Raes, Gay Byrne back in the day when he was without doubt Ireland's leading broadcaster and chat show host and media person, could talk to people from around the world in a clear and understandable way, and did not embarrass us.

Noveight · 01-06-2019 10:43pm

Was talking to a Kerry-man on a night out recently. Wasn’t a fan of them, said they “only ever looked out for their own.”

Divisive characters in their own county, evidently.

Mad_maxx · 01-06-2019 10:45pm

DeanAustin wrote: »

The certainly are. But the system allows candidates like that to be successful, they’re just exploiting that.

They’re also far from stupid. They may sound dumb, make stupid comments but they are very very clever in how they present themselves and in how they operate.

They are indeed very clever but their a toxic influence on the body politic

WAW · 01-06-2019 10:45pm

riemann wrote: »

Surely a walking argument against democracy?

I don't think I've ever heard any of them say anything that displayed any kind of education or knowledge on a subject.

The amount of air time they get is scandalous.

Well it's clearly democracy in action, hardly an argument against it seeing as the people 'demos' vote for them.
Anyone who thinks the Healy-Raes are backward oikes are easily fooled.

And those criticising their accent? If they spoke with a more contemporary, neutral accent would that make them more acceptable or intelligent sounding?!

Their constituents voted for them and they are hard workers - they're not all talk anyway, which is why they are always elected. We don't have to agree with everything they say or do but you can't fault their work ethic and they are not mouthy, useless ideologues like a lot of chancers in politics. Sure, they probably do get contracts and business from their political positions but most public and private contracts are probably won through networks and personal relationships anyway like it or not.

I understand from friends from Kerry that the Healy-Rae parents separated at an early age. Their mother was a multi linguist, educated and accomplished woman and they had a culturally rich upbringing, despite what people might think just judging them on their accents and clothes.

janfebmar · 01-06-2019 10:46pm

Noveight wrote: »

Was talking to a Kerry-man on a night out recently. Wasn’t a fan of them, said they “only ever looked out for their own.”

Divisive characters in their own county, evidently.

As I said, others move down waiting lists when Healy Raes and that ilk move "their own" up the waiting lists. No wonder some people are waiting years for hospital treatment...despite our spending on the HSE being amongst the highest healthcare spend per capita in the entire world.

Dakota Dan · 01-06-2019 10:48pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Why bring up Leo so? At least unlike Leo and the Healy Raes, Gay Byrne back in the day when he was without doubt Ireland's leading broadcaster and chat show host and media person, could talk to people from around the world in a clear and understandable way, and did not embarrass us.

Why bring up Gay Byrne? Someone mentioned Leo and unless you are living with your head in the sand you wouldn't have to be a genius to figure out that Leo is a clown. I just provided proof of that, no need to get your knickers in a twist over it.

Tell me how · 01-06-2019 10:49pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So which one are you implying was drunk?

Your friend.

Dakota Dan · 01-06-2019 10:52pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Your friend.

Sorry to disappoint you but she is a teetotaler.

Tell me how · 01-06-2019 10:55pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you but she is a teetotaler.

Yeah, of course she is.

I believe your story now.

janfebmar · 01-06-2019 10:58pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Leo is more interested in the latest girl band instead of running the country, pure waste of space. BTW the eejit went to the spice girls, I know a woman that got a free ticket to the corporate box and she was alone at the bar with Leo so she decided to strike up a conversation with him and the bloody fool couldn't even hold a conversation.

Alone at the bar with Leo? I do not dispute the story, but was there not a Garda minder with the Taoiseach or not too far away?

Dakota Dan · 01-06-2019 11:06pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Alone at the bar with Leo? I do not dispute the story, but was there not a Garda minder with the Taoiseach or not too far away?

Nope, unless in the background and I'm sure they knew that he was in no danger.

Grayson · 02-06-2019 4:37am

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you ever had a someone who had consumed a bit too much liquid refreshment try to engage in conversation when at a bar or waiting for a taxi or whatever?

In such situations, the best thing to say is often nothing at all.

Or just not wanted to talk to someone.

Grayson · 02-06-2019 5:04am

WAW wrote: »

Well it's clearly democracy in action, hardly an argument against it seeing as the people 'demos' vote for them.
Anyone who thinks the Healy-Raes are backward oikes are easily fooled.

And those criticising their accent? If they spoke with a more contemporary, neutral accent would that make them more acceptable or intelligent sounding?!

Their constituents voted for them and they are hard workers - they're not all talk anyway, which is why they are always elected. We don't have to agree with everything they say or do but you can't fault their work ethic and they are not mouthy, useless ideologues like a lot of chancers in politics. Sure, they probably do get contracts and business from their political positions but most public and private contracts are probably won through networks and personal relationships anyway like it or not.

I understand from friends from Kerry that the Healy-Rae parents separated at an early age. Their mother was a multi linguist, educated and accomplished woman and they had a culturally rich upbringing, despite what people might think just judging them on their accents and clothes.

Pity she didn't pass it on.
It's the global warming can't be real because of Noah's flood and farmers should be allowed drink drive, that makes them sound like idiots rather than their accent.

whisky_galore · 02-06-2019 6:40am

Grayson wrote: »

Pity she didn't pass it on.
It's the global warming can't be real because of Noah's flood and farmers should be allowed drink drive, that makes them sound like idiots rather than their accent.

It's one thing sounding like an idiot, quite another if you're a Dub politician with a posh accent and you ARE a fückin idiot.
The HRs are on the take, so what? At least their constituents get value from them which is more than can be said for their well-spoken counterparts, usually teachers or ex-legal types on a career break to play politics, the kind that wouldn't be seen dead interacting with the people who voted them in. No, they're too good for that.

orangerhyme · 02-06-2019 7:34am

I wouldn't be surprised if there's 3 Healy Rae Tds after next election.
My best guess is Maura as she has highest profile.
The question is if it's Brassil or Ferris who will lose his seat.
Griffin is presumably safe since he's a minister.

Also for anyone who thinks they're idiots, their sister Rosemary came top of her class in Kings Inn whilst qualifying as a barrister.
She was awarded the John Brooke Scholarship, the highest award at the Bar.
She achieved this while working full time.

Wildly Boaring · 02-06-2019 8:46am

orangerhyme wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if there's 3 Healy Rae Tds after next election.
My best guess is Maura as she has highest profile.
The question is if it's Brassil or Ferris who will lose his seat.
Griffin is presumably safe since he's a minister.

They might play the slightly longer game.
Replace Danny with Johnny this time.
Run Maura next time.

orangerhyme · 02-06-2019 10:10am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

They might play the slightly longer game.
Replace Danny with Johnny this time.
Run Maura next time.

That's assuming Danny is perceived as a liability which I'm not sure of.
Michael had a sizable surplus in last election and people said half jokingly that they should've ran a 3rd Healy Rae.
I'm sure they know exactly the lay of the land and which TD is most vulnerable and how to exploit it.
Maybe Ferris is most vulnerable as he's an independent and at retirement age, but his stronghold is north Kerry where the Healy Rae's don't have a huge presence.

It's funny that in 2015 a leaked FG document described MHR as "unbeatable electorally" and his popularity has only grown since then.

CiarraiAbu2 · 02-06-2019 10:21am

Martin isn't running next time, his daughter is. The FF vote was strong this year so they should get one. FG should get one even though Brendan Griffin's right hand man lost a seat (so did John Brassil's). So you would think no change. One point is that there was always two labour seats in Kerry (when the old north south was there), if labour could find a decent candidate they might give someone a fright.

The_Kew_Tour · 02-06-2019 10:25am

Noveight wrote: »

Was talking to a Kerry-man on a night out recently. Wasn’t a fan of them, said they “only ever looked out for their own.”

Divisive characters in their own county, evidently.

Don't think that's any surprise to anyone. They have proven that numerous times

monkeysnapper · 02-06-2019 10:38am

I'm from Kerry myself and everyone I've talked to about the Healy Raes have nothing but positive things to say ....if you have any problems go to the Healy Raes and they'll sort it or try at least ...

I'm not a fan ....one of them is trying to stop the cycle way so I put them on the bottom of my voting card last week.

We have other councillors in Kerry who are absolutly useless so I suppose it's hard to knock them for effort.

whisky_galore · 02-06-2019 10:43am

monkeysnapper wrote: »

I'm not a fan ....one of them is trying to stop the cycle way so I put them on the bottom of my voting card last week.

That would put them top of other people's lists, ie farmers.

lalababa · 02-06-2019 10:44am

Was looking forward to a national government after the last general election when FF & FF were pussyfooting around each other. There were backroom talks with all the independants and was actually hoping MHR would get a ministry, or one of the new ministries such as rural Ireland one. Would like to see him in some ministry capacity in the future. Alot of commentary on politicians is on a very personal/character based footing and NOT on policy /track record which is something we'll have to get over.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-06-2019 10:49am

janfebmar wrote: »

As I said, others move down waiting lists when Healy Raes and that ilk move "their own" up the waiting lists. No wonder some people are waiting years for hospital treatment...despite our spending on the HSE being amongst the highest healthcare spend per capita in the entire world.

As I explained earlier, the Healy Rae's get the people they canvass for placed in their proper place on the list due to bureaucracy delaying them being placed in that position. If others are moved down the list because of that placement then they, too, are now in their proper position on the list.

The methodology used in placing people on lists are agreed and fixed in place to minimise any underhand placement of people on lists by politicians or bureaucrats favouring any applicants unduly.

If you have any proof to the contrary, then feel free to publicise those underhand (your inference) methods and let it be judged in the public domain.

orangerhyme · 02-06-2019 12:04pm

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Martin isn't running next time, his daughter is. The FF vote was strong this year so they should get one. FG should get one even though Brendan Griffin's right hand man lost a seat (so did John Brassil's). So you would think no change. One point is that there was always two labour seats in Kerry (when the old north south was there), if labour could find a decent candidate they might give someone a fright.

It's interesting to see if they run a 3rd Healy Rae but take the risk of splitting the vote.
It's unusual in politics because they're like their own little party. Michael is hugely popular, Danny less so but the general attitude is that 2 Healy Rae's are better than 1.
So would people change their vote from Ferris and FF because 3 Healy Rae's is better again

orangerhyme · 02-06-2019 12:07pm

Remember this map. They might produce another with the county split in 3

orangerhyme · 02-06-2019 12:23pm

monkeysnapper wrote: »

I'm from Kerry myself and everyone I've talked to about the Healy Raes have nothing but positive things to say ....if you have any problems go to the Healy Raes and they'll sort it or try at least ...

I'm not a fan ....one of them is trying to stop the cycle way so I put them on the bottom of my voting card last week.

We have other councillors in Kerry who are absolutly useless so I suppose it's hard to knock them for effort.

Is that Johnny?
I don't understand the opposition to the cycle way. It seems win win for everyone.

janfebmar · 02-06-2019 1:25pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

As I explained earlier, the Healy Rae's get the people they canvass for placed in their proper place on the list due to bureaucracy delaying them being placed in that position. If others are moved down the list because of that placement then they, too, are now in their proper position on the list.

B.S. If you get a politician to see what he can do you for, and you have been on a waiting list for many many months, and then within a few days you appear suddenly at the top of the waiting list, that is nod and wink politics. It is why some waiting lists are years long for some people.

As they say, its not what you know, it is who you know.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-06-2019 2:22pm

janfebmar wrote: »

B.S. If you get a politician to see what he can do you for, and you have been on a waiting list for many many months, and then within a few days you appear suddenly at the top of the waiting list, that is nod and wink politics. It is why some waiting lists are years long for some people.

As they say, its not what you know, it is who you know.

That's your opinion and one you're entitled to have, wrong as it is.

I can only comment about people known by be who have been helped by the Healy Rae's where they were kept off the list or placed further down the list than their case warranted by virtue of difficulties they had in ensuring that relevant facts were presented in support of their case.

Again, if you have proof of underhand dealings to move people further up hospital and housing lists, fire them out there so we can all take a look at them. It's very easy to fire out accusations with an anonymous account about what others are doing.

So if you're convinced your interpretation is correct, throw up the details and show everybody that's the case.

janfebmar · 02-06-2019 2:30pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I can only comment about people known by be who have been helped by the Healy Rae's where they were kept off the list or placed further down the list than their case warranted by virtue of difficulties they had in ensuring that relevant facts were presented in support of their case.

lol. "people kept off the list"....so you mainly only help people kept off the list? Put them on the waiting list like, and shorten it for them, like?

DrPhilG · 02-06-2019 2:31pm

Oh they're grand lads, only thinking of the best for others.

Like if you were an electric car owner in Kerry, or a prospective one. Surely the HRs would campaign for more EV charge points, both to encourage locals to make the switch, and to encourage tourism from ev owners around the country?

Nope, they actively campaign against electric cars, spouting nonsense that they 100% know to be completely untrue like:
*ah sure you can't drive an electric car in the rain.
*you have to replace the batteries every 2 years and it costs €7k a time.

Now what possible reason could the petrol station owning HRs have to discourage electric vehicles? I just don't understand...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-06-2019 2:39pm

janfebmar wrote: »

lol. "people kept off the list"....so you mainly only help people kept off the list? Put them on the waiting list like, and shorten it for them, like?

Ah, OK, deflection.

Good man.

Mrsmum · 02-06-2019 3:21pm

janfebmar wrote: »

B.S. If you get a politician to see what he can do you for, and you have been on a waiting list for many many months, and then within a few days you appear suddenly at the top of the waiting list, that is nod and wink politics. It is why some waiting lists are years long for some people.

As they say, its not what you know, it is who you know.

A form of triage, Healy Rea style.
It would be fairly naïve to believe, outside of the HRs, everyone else waits their turn in life. Other people use other forms of getting attended to eg some people throw money at it to get their issue seen to pronto and then there are those who scream loudest. Ask any customer care centre who gets their issue resolved first, strictly in line as the calls come in or the caller who raised blue murder. And then there is the Joe Duffy route to instant attention.

janfebmar · 02-06-2019 3:31pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

A form of triage, Healy Rea style.
It would be fairly naïve to believe, outside of the HRs, everyone else waits their turn in life.

In the queue at the airport, at the post office, in the traffic jam, yes people do wait their turn.

janfebmar · 02-06-2019 3:33pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Oh they're grand lads, only thinking of the best for others.

Like if you were an electric car owner in Kerry, or a prospective one. Surely the HRs would campaign for more EV charge points, both to encourage locals to make the switch, and to encourage tourism from ev owners around the country?

Nope, they actively campaign against electric cars, spouting nonsense that they 100% know to be completely untrue like:
*ah sure you can't drive an electric car in the rain.
*you have to replace the batteries every 2 years and it costs €7k a time.

Now what possible reason could the petrol station owning HRs have to discourage electric vehicles? I just don't understand...

They have the good of the country at heart.

SlowBlowin · 02-06-2019 3:42pm

People slagging off the HR's on here are doing so based on the medias description of them or their own assumptions.

People defending/praising them are doing so based on knowledge of what the Healy Raes are really like.

I mentioned my new 500m drive earlier, there was nothing dishonest, I paid 10% the rest was covered by a Rural development incentive scheme, but MHR helped throughout, invaluably. Yes it was MHR trucks and plant that did the job, so what, he has a number of Kerry business interests and they do a great job.

If every county had a Healy Rae, then all counties would benefit and the whole country and the people would be better off. I hear so many people talk about how fed up they are with political correctness, the Healy Rae commonsense approach is as good as it gets.

janfebmar · 02-06-2019 3:48pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I mentioned my new 500m drive earlier, there was nothing dishonest, I paid 10% the rest was covered by a Rural development incentive scheme, but MHR helped throughout, invaluably. Yes it was MHR trucks and plant that did the job, so what, he has a number of Kerry business interests and they do a great job.

.

Was that a 500 meter privately owned drive between the public road and your dwelling?

SlowBlowin · 02-06-2019 4:09pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Was that a 500 meter privately owned drive between the public road and your dwelling?

The drive is not on my land, its my neighbours land, but it is the road to my place only and I have access rights. I am the main user, so I paid the 10%. It was just a track before. Why ?

iamwhoiam · 02-06-2019 4:23pm

janfebmar wrote: »

In the queue at the airport, at the post office, in the traffic jam, yes people do wait their turn.

You do understand the word triage don't you ? It applies in a medical sense
People in traffic jams and post office are not subject to triage . Triage means those in greatest medical need will be placed in the list accordingly

DrPhilG · 02-06-2019 4:50pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

People slagging off the HR's on here are doing so based on the medias description of them or their own assumptions.

Nope. I'm slagging them based on their own deliberate lies to mislead the public.

SlowBlowin · 02-06-2019 5:14pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Nope. I'm slagging them based on their own deliberate lies to mislead the public.

I take it they are lies because you disagree with them, or were they just giving their personal opinion ?

janfebmar · 02-06-2019 5:53pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The drive is not on my land, its my neighbours land, but it is the road to my place only and I have access rights. I am the main user, so I paid the 10%. It was just a track before. Why ?

Something not quite right when the taxpayer pays 90% of a driveway to a house across privately owned land. And the politician who helps get the grant is the one who decides how much it will all cost, and who owns the company who even does the work.

SlowBlowin · 02-06-2019 6:42pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Something not quite right when the taxpayer pays 90% of a driveway to a house across privately owned land. And the politician who helps get the grant is the one who decides how much it will all cost, and who owns the company who even does the work.

Its a national scheme, nothing to do with local politics.. Fixed cost per m2. Could get other plant in to do the job I guess, but would come from further away, more expensive, pollution etc etc... No scandal here...

The Healy Raes

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