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Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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    #2192
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Are politicians' advisers, assistants paid by the state?

    If so there should be a transparent interview/selection process. Is that too much to ask.


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    #2193
    Shefwedfan
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    joe40 wrote: »
    Are politicians' advisers, assistants paid by the state?

    If so there should be a transparent interview/selection process. Is that too much to ask.


    Yes paid by the state

    Constantly politicians are getting caught out with this but they continue to screw the tax payer. Between outrageous expenses to having Mammy, Daddy, brother, sister, son and daughter all on payroll which the taxpayer ends up paying for.....


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    #2194
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    smurgen wrote: »
    I was talking about you,rabid fg supporter in chief. You've taken to defending insurance fraud in support of the party.

    But I wasn’t defending FG, I was stating a report that came out last year.

    Where did I defend them???

    And I have called this women a moron and a disgrace and never defended her.


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    #2195
    Jupiter Mulligan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Jupiter Mulligan


    joe40 wrote: »
    Are politicians' advisers, assistants paid by the state?

    If so there should be a transparent interview/selection process.

    Is that too much to ask.

    Yes it is!

    Politicians must be free to select the people who they believe are most likely to best serve their electorate and thereby ensure their re-election. If they select the wrong people then they are more likely to lose their seat which in turn will lead to their selected staffers losing theirs. So any TD who appoints a dud is asking for trouble!

    Furthermore, whether a TD appoints his/her parent, sibling or the brightest student from their local secondary school, the cost to the taxpayer is exactly the same.


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    #2196
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »

    Yes paid by the state

    Constantly politicians are getting caught out with this but they continue to screw the tax payer. Between outrageous expenses to having Mammy, Daddy, brother, sister, son and daughter all on payroll which the taxpayer ends up paying for.....


    They don't "continue to screw the taxpayer" - even if Maria Bailey had selected a towering intellectual like you as her personal adviser instead of her father/sister the cost to the taxpayer would be exactly the same.

    As I mentioned above, if a TD selects a useless family member as their assistant then they'll probably lose their seat.


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    #2197
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    And, while we're on the topic of personal staff, have a look at all of the EU taxpayer-funded SF activists who may lose their jobs thanks to Lynn Boylan's exit from the European Parliament:-

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124984/LYNN_BOYLAN/assistants#mep-card-content


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    #2198
    Stop moaning ffs
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    And, while we're on the topic of personal staff, have a look at all of the EU taxpayer-funded SF activists who may lose their jobs thanks to Lynn Boylan's exit from the European Parliament:-

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124984/LYNN_BOYLAN/assistants#mep-card-content

    Do FG/FF MEPs also not have staff/activists?


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    #2199
    ToBeFrank123
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Like the media politics is a small incestuous pool of questionable talent. They all know they can work to the advantage of friends and family.

    Agreed. And so is the legal profession. Some families have everything tied up. There are solicitors, barristers, SC's and judges all in the one family. Judges are friends with other judges who judge cases involving family or friends. We all know of at least one corrupt outcome to a case because of this.

    The judges will always look after their own and make sure the legal firms are well compensated for PI cases. This I'd say is a huge driver of increasing costs.

    Removing judges and if possible the legal profession entirely from PI claims would make a massive difference to bringing down costs. They simply cannot be trusted.

    An independent body should adjudicate on PI cases with no right of appeal to courts and no expensive legal costs.


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    #2200
    joe40
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    Yes it is!

    Politicians must be free to select the people who they believe are most likely to best serve their electorate and thereby ensure their re-election. If they select the wrong people then they are more likely to lose their seat which in turn will lead to their selected staffers losing theirs. So any TD who appoints a dud is asking for trouble!

    Furthermore, whether a TD appoints his/her parent, sibling or the brightest student from their local secondary school, the cost to the taxpayer is exactly the same.

    The job of advising government and politicians should be the permanent civil service.
    It is not my responsibility as a taxpayer to ensure the local TD is re elected.

    The TD's job as a a politician/legislator is different from his/her skill at "getting votes"
    The first role has a public service and hence paid advisers i.e civil service the second role is up to the individual politician.


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    #2201
    zell12
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    We vote for our TDs to represent us.
    Hence, it is our wish to have people like Maria Bailey, Danny Healy-Rae, Michael Lowry, etc, to reflect us.


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    Jupiter Mulligan
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Do FG/FF MEPs also not have staff/activists?

    Of course they do, as also do Ming the Mindless, and that Childers woman. (What a stupid question to ask)

    Now, why not be be a good boy and look up Brian Crowley's former staff all by yourself?


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    #2203
    Stop moaning ffs
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    Of course they do, as also do Ming the Mindless, and that Childers woman. (What a stupid question to ask)

    Now, why not be be a good boy and look up Brian Crowley's former staff all by yourself?

    Just found it odd you singled out SF. And the term activist. What did you mean by that?


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    #2204
    Balanadan
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    This isn't going away :)


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    #2205
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    Agreed. And so is the legal profession. Some families have everything tied up. There are solicitors, barristers, SC's and judges all in the one family. Judges are friends with other judges who judge cases involving family or friends. We all know of at least one corrupt outcome to a case because of this.

    I've seen the same thing in farming. Farmers handing the business onto their sons, several brothers, sisters, cousins involved in it in the same area for generations. Extended interconnected families have all the the land tied up between them.
    Same with electricians. One business here started by the grandfather of the two brothers who now run it, and their cousin is a one man contractor 20 miles away.


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    #2206
    ToBeFrank123
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    I've seen the same thing in farming. Farmers handing the business onto their sons, several brothers, sisters, cousins involved in it in the same area for generations. Extended interconnected families have all the the land tied up between them.
    Same with electricians. One business here started by the grandfather of the two brothers who now run it, and their cousin is a one man contractor 20 miles away.

    Not the same, not even close.

    Judges have huge power to make or break people.

    We know you are on here to bat for FG. The question is are you in the legal profession too?


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    #2207
    Shefwedfan
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    They don't "continue to screw the taxpayer" - even if Maria Bailey had selected a towering intellectual like you as her personal adviser instead of her father/sister the cost to the taxpayer would be exactly the same.

    As I mentioned above, if a TD selects a useless family member as their assistant then they'll probably lose their seat.


    Yes they do continue to screw the tax payer....just look at the shower of wasters mentioned below....



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/john-perry-one-of-many-tds-who-has-hired-family-members-1.2146012


    It's a scam. Even Enda Kenny came out saying they should not hire family members



    But maybe you know better.....


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    Simple_Simone
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Just found it odd you singled out SF. And the term activist. What did you mean by that?

    Might it have been because at this point in time Boylan is the only Irish MEP to have lost a seat?


    Anyway, back on the topic of compensation, here are some extracts from an interesting report in today's (London) Times - it's fair to say that the report speaks for itself!

    Every whiplash patient attending a spine specialist over a 15-year period started legal action, a study has found.


    Researchers .... found that visits to specialists almost always stopped when legal action concluded.


    The study found that there was an inextricable link between whiplash-associated disorders and litigation.


    “This suggests either that their symptoms may be related to the legal process or that they see no further benefit in presenting to a specialist spine practice, given that the majority were managed conservatively,” the study said.

    Average compensation for whiplash injuries in Ireland during the period was €17,338 compared with €3,984 in the UK, according to the study.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/all-whiplash-patients-make-compensation-claims-study-finds-nns72bsjf


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    #2209
    Tabnabs
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    They don't "continue to screw the taxpayer" - even if Maria Bailey had selected a towering intellectual like you as her personal adviser instead of her father/sister the cost to the taxpayer would be exactly the same.

    As I mentioned above, if a TD selects a useless family member as their assistant then they'll probably lose their seat.

    Jupiter Mulligan or Josepha Madigan?! :eek:

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    #2210
    Suckit
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Yes they do continue to screw the tax payer....just look at the shower of wasters mentioned below....

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/john-perry-one-of-many-tds-who-has-hired-family-members-1.2146012

    It's a scam. Even Enda Kenny came out saying they should not hire family members

    But maybe you know better.....


    Enda Kenny was a rotten yolk.

    Was the worst for appointing people into positions when it suited him, and he would even announcehe was doing it. If he didn't want to appoint family members you can bet it's because they didn't want to be in those positions. I'm willing to believe that whatever his children did do, somebody higher up in there got some sort of perk to look after them.


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    #2211
    Shefwedfan
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    Suckit wrote: »
    Enda Kenny was a rotten yolk.

    Was the worst for appointing people into positions when it suited him, and he would even announcehe was doing it. If he didn't want to appoint family members you can bet it's because they didn't want to be in those positions. I'm willing to believe that whatever his children did do, somebody higher up in there got some sort of perk to look after them.


    That was my point, I did not type it as eloquently as you did....even when someone as dodgy as Enda says not to do it then you know it is rotten to the core.....


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    #2212
    Snow Garden
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    Doc07 wrote: »
    If the election is very soon maybe, if it’s a year away she’ll be grand.
    Just needs to do some charity runs etc before the next election.
    There is not much evidence of the people ever punishing Irish politicians for unethical or distasteful behavioir(this case) and more often actual corruption or illegal behavior.
    The 3 recently returned councilors, Lowry, Bertie, Stagg etc.

    No she hasn't a hope of getting re-elected. She is a laughing stock after that radio interview. She has shown the electorate that she is clueless, greedy, arrogant and deluded. People wont even want her canvassing on doorsteps for fear she will fall and sue them. Unfortunately for her, she is the face of insurance fraud.


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    cj maxx
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    There various valid points about the compo culture and the legal system but am I the only one still laughing at the image of her sitting pissed on a swing , drink in one hand , bottle of wine the other going tits over arse ???
    I’m giddy even writing this :)


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    ToBeFrank123
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    No she hasn't a hope of getting re-elected. She is a laughing stock after that radio interview. She has shown the electorate that she is clueless, greedy, arrogant and deluded. People wont even want her canvassing on doorsteps for fear she will fall and sue them. Unfortunately for her, she is the face of insurance fraud.

    If she was in Kerry, Tipperary, etc, she'd top the poll at the next election. Dublin media out to get us and all that nonsense. There's no such thing as bad publicity in places like that and she'd be a legend down there by now.

    Unlucky for her, she's in Dun Laoghaire!


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    #2215
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    cjmc wrote: »
    There various valid points about the compo culture and the legal system but am I the only one still laughing at the image of her sitting pissed on a swing , drink in one hand , bottle of wine the other going tits over arse ???
    I’m giddy even writing this :)

    You might be giddy, but the image in your mind is a fiction. And this is the problem here with fact and fabrication being freely mixed - she was NOT drunk. She had one glass of wine earlier, and had not drunk anything in The Dean. But dont let that get in the way of a good laugh if you dont care about being fair.


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    #2216
    BENDYBINN
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    cjmc wrote: »
    There various valid points about the compo culture and the legal system but am I the only one still laughing at the image of her sitting pissed on a swing , drink in one hand , bottle of wine the other going tits over arse ???
    I’m giddy even writing this :)

    And if that wasn’t bad enough,a govt minister advising her on how to get 60 grand for her trouble!!


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    #2217
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    daithi7 wrote: »
    This is an unholy can of worms for fg :

    IF Josepha Madigan was the other person at the hotel on that fateful Friday night, as seems likely,

    AND IF, Josepha Madigan was Bailey's lawyer in this attempted fraud, then she played an active part in attempted fraud, and she should be in deep do do
    ...

    The fact that she is now a government minister will effectively mean that this could become an existential issue for this government....

    I’ve got a creeping feeling it could possibly bring the government down and result in a general election, with the other major party grabbing hold along with Greens and others.


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    #2218
    Yurt2
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    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    If she was in Kerry, Tipperary, etc, she'd top the poll at the next election. Dublin media out to get us and all that nonsense. There's no such thing as bad publicity in places like that and she'd be a legend down there by now.

    Unlucky for her, she's in Dun Laoghaire!

    Let's not get crazy here, DL is the constituency of Mary Mitchell O'Connor, a minister so bad, her own highly paid PR people were out to get her.

    If FG thought they could brazen this out and send her to the stump again they would - and the good people of DL would probably still elect her. However, it blew up like a Soviet nuclear reactor. The entire thing is so memeworthy and has p*ssed off so many demographics across the country, that much like the Central Committee of the USSR, they had to admit defeat and face reality. (Can you tell what TV series I'm watching at the moment?)


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    #2219
    nuac
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    The SO'R interview was a real car-crash. Whoever advised it did her no favours. Imho end of her career as a TD


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    #2220
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Waiting on the edge of our seats for the outcome of this meeting

    Will she jump / fall on her sword or will Leo give her the push???
    And who will she sue afterwards?


    Ps does anyone know if the story about her suing Aer Lingus for €160k is actually true?


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    #2221
    Ash.J.Williams
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    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    And if that wasn’t bad enough,a govt minister advising her on how to get 60 grand for her trouble!!

    And that looks like it's a fact


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