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Homophobic attack on London bus - mod warning, please see OP

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  • #52
    _Brian
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    London is a cesspool of criminality these days.

    Bit like Dublin so


  • #53
    Cryptopagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    _Brian wrote: »
    Bit like Dublin so

    Dublin is not in the same league at all.


  • #54
    _Brian
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    So far I’ve seen posters suggest it looks staged and maybe a religious element.

    What’s wrong with you people that you just can’t see this for what it is, a horribly homophobic attack on a couple out enjoying a night and keeping to themselves.

    The lads were just a bunch of Neanderthals, hope they are held accountable for this.

    Was same on the Aoife Dooley thread, straight off people were doubting anything happened and saying she was making it up for attention.

    Feckin sickening the victim blaming against women by a bunch of juveniles here.


  • #55
    FunLover18
    Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Avalynn Skinny Shepherdess wrote: »
    I know that a lot of muslims are homophobic but you have zero evidence that it was muslims who carried this out.

    And also, I'm not even sure it was a homophobic or misogynistic attack (i.e. because they're women and because they're gay). Homophobes wouldn't be looking for a sexy display by them surely. I think they got attacked because they refused to comply with the demands of some scummy pieces of sh1t.

    God yeah, words on the internet - so much worse than physical assault.

    It may not have been homophobic in the sense that it didn't arise from a fear of homosexuality but the women were targeted because of their sexuality. The attackers wanted them to kiss as they saw it as they thought it would be amusing, I seriously doubt that they would have attacked or goaded a heterosexual couple in the same manner. I would also say that it was misogynistic as I don't believe they would have goaded two gay men in the same way given that two men kissing hasn't been potrayed in media in the same lecherous way as two women kissing has.


  • #56
    YFlyer
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    Birneybau wrote: »
    4 lads arrested, one had been speaking Spanish. But sure, religion of peace...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/07/two-women-left-bloodied-in-homophobic-attack-on-london-bus

    Where does it say they were speaking Spanish?

    The flight attendant typed entered a detail account of the attack to facebook in both English and Spanish.


  • #57
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    serious question, are all crime committed by men against women misogynist?


  • #58
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    FTA69 wrote: »
    This site cracks me up at times. A pair of young women battered on the bus in an attack provoked due to their sexuality and people are either trying to play down the nature of the homophobia involved or else using this horrible incident based on prejudice to crowbar in a load of prejudice of their own.

    Honestly like.
    _Brian wrote: »
    So far I’ve seen posters suggest it looks staged and maybe a religious element.

    What’s wrong with you people that you just can’t see this for what it is, a horribly homophobic attack on a couple out enjoying a night and keeping to themselves.

    The lads were just a bunch of Neanderthals, hope they are held accountable for this.

    Was same on the Aoife Dooley thread, straight off people were doubting anything happened and saying she was making it up for attention.

    Feckin sickening the victim blaming against women by a bunch of juveniles here.
    I agree with plenty of what you say. It is incredible the way things get deflected and twisted to make it seem like the victim is the one at fault. Aoife Dooley thread, Sinead Burke thread. Astonishing (well it should be).

    But I think things should be described accurately. I don't think they were attacked *because* they're gay. I think they were attacked because they wouldn't do what was demanded of them and because they were easy targets.


  • #59
    super_furry
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    "But what about a pride march for straight people?"


  • #60
    jobbridge4life
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    victor8600 wrote: »
    While this was a homophobic attack, I think these women just were unlucky to be picked by those lowlifes, who would have likely attacked someone (probably whoever looked weaker) on the bus anyway.

    Genuinely head scratching comment, literally what is the point of the remark?


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  • #61
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    serious question, are all crime committed by men against women misogynist?
    No. And I dislike when the word is misused too.


  • #62
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Genuinely head scratching comment, literally what is the point of the remark?
    they are questioning whether the core motivation for this attack was a fear or hatred of homosexuals. it dosnt matter to the victims since they took beating either way but a randomer on the internet is permitted to ask the question particularly as robbery was also involved.


  • #63
    Cryptopagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    serious question, are all crime committed by men against women misogynist?

    Ofc there is no element of misogyny involved where a bunch of lads beat up and rob women who wouldn’t kiss each other for their entertainment.


  • #64
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    Ofc there is no element of misogyny involved were a bunch of lads beat up and rob women who wouldn’t kiss each other for their entertainment.
    thats nice but youre not answering the question asked


  • #65
    FunLover18
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    Avalynn Skinny Shepherdess wrote: »
    I agree with plenty of what you say. It is incredible the way things get deflected and twisted to make it seem like the victim is the one at fault. Aoife Dooley thread, Sinead Burke thread. Astonishing (well it should be).

    But I think things should be described accurately. I don't think they were attacked *because* they're gay. I think they were attacked because they wouldn't do what was demanded of them and because they were easy targets.

    I understand what you're saying, I think it comes down to semantics. They were *physically* attacked because they wouldn't do what they were told but they were attacked verbally because they were gay. I would consider being asked to kiss someone for the entertainment of others a form of attack.


  • #66
    Cryptopagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    thats nice but youre not answering the question asked

    Of course not. But this is very definitely a misogynistic and homophobic attack.


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  • #67
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    serious question, are all crime committed by men against women misogynist?

    Not necessarily, but when the attack is committed because the perpetrators have the notion that women, and lesbians in particular, are obliged to perform for them to provide sexual titillation, and who resort to violence when the women dare to refuse then how is it not coming from a misogynistic place? It is objectification of and dominance over women. Would they have asked two gay men to do similar? Highly doubtful.

    Put it this way, a group of men trying to force women into performing sexual favours for them (which is sexual assault in itself) , and then beating them up when they refuse clearly is a misogynistic attack IMO


  • #68
    Birneybau
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Birneybau wrote: »
    4 lads arrested, one had been speaking Spanish. But sure, religion of peace...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/07/two-women-left-bloodied-in-homophobic-attack-on-london-bus

    Where does it say they were speaking Spanish?

    The flight attendant typed entered a detail account of the attack to facebook in both English and Spanish.

    Fair enough, quoted the wrong article.

    From the BBC "Ms Geymonat said one of the men spoke Spanish and the others had British accents"

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-48555889


  • #69
    _Brian
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    Avalynn Skinny Shepherdess wrote: »
    I agree with plenty of what you say. It is incredible the way things get deflected and twisted to make it seem like the victim is the one at fault. Aoife Dooley thread, Sinead Burke thread. Astonishing (well it should be).

    But I think things should be described accurately. I don't think they were attacked *because* they're gay. I think they were attacked because they wouldn't do what was demanded of them and because they were easy targets.

    Your doing the same thing just out the other side of your mouth.
    It stinks of a homophobihic attack, trying to deny that makes no sense.


  • #70
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    Of course not. But this is very definitely a misogynistic and homophobic attack.
    Why very definitely? It was deplorable. The perpetrators are disgusting and it seems too that homophobia and misogyny are becoming increasingly fashionable again, but I don't see any definite evidence that the attack was because they're women and because they're gay.


  • #71
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    _Brian wrote: »
    Your doing the same thing just out the other side of your mouth.
    It stinks of a homophobihic attack, trying to deny that makes no sense.
    Oh please, look at my posts on the Aoife Dooley and Sinead Burke threads rather than lazily and unfairly lumping me in with that crowd.


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  • #72
    Cryptopagan
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    Avalynn Skinny Shepherdess wrote: »
    Why very definitely? It was deplorable. The perpetrators are disgusting and it seems too that homophobia and misogyny are becoming increasingly fashionable again, but I don't see any definite evidence that the attack was because they're women and because they're gay.

    Yeah they were going to target a pair of heterosexual men and try make them kiss each other but there weren’t any on the bus.


  • #73
    Anteayer
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    Utter lowlifes whoever the hell they were. They basically just sexually assaulted (the forced kissing), harassed and then physically assaulted two gay women on a bus because they wouldn't perform for them.

    Hopefully they're not tried as children as they sound like they would be a risk to society in general given the level of violence when they didn't get their way.


  • #74
    Gimme A Pound
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    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    Yeah they were going to target a pair of heterosexual men and try make them kiss each other but there weren’t any on the bus.
    Yeah fair enough.


  • #75
    Das Reich
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    I doubt an English speaker would recognize a Spanish tone. Any pictures of the attackers?


  • #76
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    dhaughton99 wrote: »
    Trump was spot on when he called out the sadiq Kahn during the week.

    There were about 2 and a half times as many murders in New York as London last year. He should probably be looking closer to home when giving out about cities.


  • #77
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Das Reich wrote: »
    I doubt an English speaker would recognize a Spanish tone. Any pictures of the attackers?
    We've finally reached parody. :D

    Yeah that obscure Spanish accent. So non distinctive.


  • #78
    Anteayer
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    At least being London, they will be on CCTV multiple times on the bus and the street. It shouldn't take long to track them down.


  • #79
    Guy:Incognito
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    Anteayer wrote: »
    At least being London, they will be on CCTV multiple times on the bus and the street. It shouldn't take long to track them down.
    Arrests have been made. Its in the article.


  • #80
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Das Reich wrote: »
    I doubt an English speaker would recognize a Spanish tone. Any pictures of the attackers?

    Well I am an English speaker and would recognize a Spanish tone a mile away


  • #81
    Sonics2k
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    Das Reich wrote: »
    I doubt an English speaker would recognize a Spanish tone. Any pictures of the attackers?

    Huh?

    How can you not recognise Spanish?


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  • #82
    Das Reich
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    Avalynn Skinny Shepherdess wrote: »
    We've finally reached parody. :D

    Yeah that obscure Spanish accent. So non distinctive.

    I have very distinctive Portuguese accent, yet anglo people had asked me if I was speaking, Polish, German, French... They can't recognize a Chinese from an Indian, yet she was so sure about he being Spanish speaker. Strange. A photo and names of the attackers would be better. I will follow till police find them.


  • #83
    Nikki Sixx
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    My feeling is that this was a gang of scumbags, who are used to bullying, humiliating and intimidating people. Had they not stumbled upon the lesbian couple, they would have harassed somebody else. They are just out to create general mischief, but I'm sure anybody who was "different" would have been a target. I don't feel they sought out homosexuals, but targeted them as they woul a "nerdy" teenager.


  • #84
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Das Reich wrote: »
    I have very distinctive Portuguese accent, yet anglo people had asked me if I was speaking, Polish, German, French... They can't recognize a Chinese from an Indian, yet she was so sure about he being Spanish speaker. Strange. A photo and names of the attackers would be better. I will follow till police find them.
    Why do you doubt this happened? Ffs.


  • #85
    theoneeyedman
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    Terrible attack, very sad, scummy behaviour, one wonders about the thought processes of the gang involved.

    But, apart from that, the BBC has a dedicated LGBT Correspondent?!?!

    WTF?


  • #86
    Sonics2k
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    "Why do Gay people still need to have a Pride parade, sure there's no more real homophobia."

    "Oh this wasn't a gay attack, sure they attacked a gay couple, harassed them, attacked them and told them to kiss but this wasn't a gay attack."

    "Probably Muslims."

    Jesus Christ I weep for After Hours these days. Long gone are the days of fun and banter, now it's just right wingers spreading their usual ****e.


  • #87
    listermint
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    Das Reich wrote: »
    I have very distinctive Portuguese accent, yet anglo people had asked me if I was speaking, Polish, German, French... They can't recognize a Chinese from an Indian, yet she was so sure about he being Spanish speaker. Strange. A photo and names of the attackers would be better. I will follow till police find them.

    That's waffle.

    Tbf


  • #88
    Sonny noggs
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    Horrific. I feel they have intentionally left out an important detail about the attackers.


  • #89
    Odhinn
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Horrific. I feel they have intentionally left out an important detail about the attackers.




    Really? What would that be? And do you have some knowledge unknown to the beeb and the rest of us?


  • #90
    Sonny noggs
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Really? What would that be? And do you have some knowledge unknown to the beeb and the rest of us?

    I would assume the girls would have a fair idea of the ethnicity of the attackers, wouldn’t you?


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  • #91
    Sleeper12
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    ceadaoin. wrote:
    What? This has nothing to do with religious beliefs. The men wanted the women to put on a show for them. When they refused they beat them. So not just a homophobic attack, a misogynistic one too from men who think that women exist for their titillation, and who don't like to be told no


    You have to remember that many people hide behind religion to mask or try justify their homophobic beliefs


  • #92
    razorblunt
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    Awful stuff, one article I read said that the Uruguayan girl was taking a year off from medical studies but then also said she’s an air hostess with Ryanair. Did I read that right?


  • #93
    Odhinn
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    I would assume the girls would have a fair idea of the ethnicity of the attackers, wouldn’t you?




    Presumably. Did they mention it elsewhere or what are you driving at?


  • #94
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    There were about 2 and a half times as many murders in New York as London last year. He should probably be looking closer to home when giving out about cities.

    Not sure about that, indeed for the 1st 2 months of 2018, it overtook NYC (both circa 9m) and not a lot of difference between the two. NY has also seen dramatic improvements regarding crime levels overall in recent years, the opposite is true of old Londonium town.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/03/londons-murder-rate-higher-than-new-york-citys/480860002/

    Then there is Obarmars home town of Chicago, a TV doc stated there was circa 100,000 crackheads and more street gangs than at a gang convention, nice!


  • #95
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Presumably. Did they mention it elsewhere or what are you driving at?

    I would like them to have published the ethnicity of the attackers. Clear enough for you?


  • #96
    Gimme A Pound
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Horrific. I feel they have intentionally left out an important detail about the attackers.
    This has already been covered. While many muslims are homophobic, there is zero evidence that the attackers in this case are muslim. It's not like assaults are only carried out by muslims anyway, and their religion would surely be against seeking out a bit of lesbian snogging.

    Why should the ethnicity be given too? Are ethnicities always reported when people are assaulted? Of course they aren't.

    Seems like you care more about it possibly being muslims (despite zero evidence) than what happened to the women.


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  • #97
    [Deleted User]
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    I would assume the girls would have a fair idea of the ethnicity of the attackers, wouldn’t you?

    You wouldn't like the victims anyway their foreign.


  • #98
    klaaaz
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    Das Reich wrote: »
    I yet she was so sure about he being Spanish speaker. Strange.

    The victim is Uruguayan, they speak Spanish there!


  • #99
    Birneybau
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Horrific. I feel they have intentionally left out an important detail about the attackers.

    The F'ing state of you


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
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    Das Reich wrote: »
    I have very distinctive Portuguese accent, yet anglo people had asked me if I was speaking, Polish, German, French... They can't recognize a Chinese from an Indian, yet she was so sure about he being Spanish speaker. Strange. A photo and names of the attackers would be better. I will follow till police find them.

    You must speak to a lot of tone deaf people.


  • #101
    Billy Mays
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    Sonny noggs there desperate for this attack to have been carried out by some muzzers


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