Options for enforcing no parking on a private road

Cyrus · 15-10-2020 11:57am #1

we live in a small estate / private road, circa 20 houses or so,

the estate wasnt and wont be taken over by the council, so we the residents have a management company and we pay a management fee for the management of the common areas.

Strangely even though a condition of planning was that the council wouldnt take the estate over, nor would they allow gates.

This has meant that from time to time people decide to use our private road as a place to park when collecting kids from a nearby school or visiting nearby houses.

the residents would like to prevent this as it can make access and exit dangerous and also there are a number of children in the estate so we would prefer non residents or visitors not to make a habit of driving in.

We are going to put up some more signs reminding people that its private land but what are our options regards clamping and has anyone engaged a private clamping co in this kind of scenario ?

All of the houses have their own driveways by the way its not a communal parking scenario.

Claw Hammer · 15-10-2020 12:00pm

Cyrus wrote: »

we live in a small estate / private road, circa 20 houses or so,

the estate wasnt and wont be taken over by the council, so we the residents have a management company and we pay a management fee for the management of the common areas.

Strangely even though a condition of planning was that the council wouldnt take the estate over, nor would they allow gates.

This has meant that from time to time people decide to use our private road as a place to park when collecting kids from a nearby school or visiting nearby houses.

the residents would like to prevent this as it can make access and exit dangerous and also there are a number of children in the estate so we would prefer non residents or visitors not to make a habit of driving in.

We are going to put up some more signs reminding people that its private land but what are our options regards clamping and has anyone engaged a private clamping co in this kind of scenario ?

All of the houses have their own driveways by the way its not a communal parking scenario.

It is very common for the management companies of apartment blocks to engage clamping companies to prevent non-residents parking in the grounds of the complex. You could also look into the feasibility of putting in Pay and Display.

Cyrus · 15-10-2020 12:01pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

It is very common for the management companies of apartment blocks to engage clamping companies to prevent non-residents parking in the grounds of the complex. You could also look into the feasibility of putting in Pay and Display.

thanks

pay and display wouldnt work i dont think,

the clamping service we would require would be more one where you could call a clamper and have them come rather than have them patrolling the area as such

Claw Hammer · 15-10-2020 12:03pm

Cyrus wrote: »

thanks

pay and display wouldnt work i dont think,

the clamping service we would require would be more one where you could call a clamper and have them come rather than have them patrolling the area as such

That is the way it is in most apartment schemes.

Claw Hammer · 15-10-2020 12:04pm

Another option is for one of the actual residents to park their car out on the road and put a clamp on it themselves. Have signs up saying clamping in operation. When people come and see a clamped car, and signs up, they will piss off.

3DataModem · 15-10-2020 12:38pm

I lived directly opposite a DART station for a good while, and a prominent sign reminding people they could be clamped with a picture of a clamp did the trick.

Marcusm · 15-10-2020 2:02pm

Cyrus wrote: »

thanks

pay and display wouldnt work i dont think,

the clamping service we would require would be more one where you could call a clamper and have them come rather than have them patrolling the area as such

If the cars are staying for only a short period, I’d see a few complications with clamping on a call out basis, principally that the car will have left before the clamper arrives and the clamper will want security of payment for each call put irrespective of whether there is a car to clamp.

IIRC where you are, it is not a main road so DLRCC should not be concerned with any gates creating tailbacks but the refusal will likely to have been a hatred of gated developments. Would it be worthwhile documenting the difficulties and making a new planning app for a car gate but leaving pedestrian access only.

A grumpy neighbour who is willing to “ticket” miscreants or otherwise engage with them might be a possibility. I would worry that a clamping contract is just going to be impractical/costly.

Cyrus · 15-10-2020 2:08pm

Marcusm wrote: »

If the cars are staying for only a short period, I’d see a few complications with clamping on a call out basis, principally that the car will have left before the clamper arrives and the clamper will want security of payment for each call put irrespective of whether there is a car to clamp.

IIRC where you are, it is not a main road so DLRCC should not be concerned with any gates creating tailbacks but the refusal will likely to have been a hatred of gated developments. Would it be worthwhile documenting the difficulties and making a new planning app for a car gate but leaving pedestrian access only.

A grumpy neighbour who is willing to “ticket” miscreants or otherwise engage with them might be a possibility. I would worry that a clamping contract is just going to be impractical/costly.

thats a good point actually. and you are right we could easily have gates without any impact on the road / traffic but its this irrational hatred of gated developments despite their requirement not to take them in charge themselves is the issue.

at various times people have pointed out to people that this isnt a public road and they cant park, some move on, other let their dogs out for a run to leave their mess and then head off, which isnt ideal with kids playing

SouthWesterly · 15-10-2020 2:15pm

Can you put in remote control bollards or a barrier?

Clareman · 15-10-2020 2:16pm

I'd a similar issue near a school, it is extremely annoying when people rock up, block driveways and generally increase traffic in a normally quiet area. What we did was get parking notices printed up on stickers (you know the kind that are very difficult to get off) and take it in turns to go around in the evenings, if there was someone sitting in the car you'd just hand them the notice and say "Oh thank god you're in the car, I'd hate to have to put it on your window they are very difficult to get off if they get wet", if the drivers challenge you just say "there's been reports of children nearly being knocked down so we have to do something", after a few weeks of this it'll sort itself out for the price of a bit of printing although you might have to do it again every September for a bit to remind people.

Cyrus · 15-10-2020 2:16pm

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Can you put in remote control bollards or a barrier?

a barrier is not really the look we are after but the bollards could be an idea, but would require planning so i wonder how they would react to that!

C3PO · 15-10-2020 2:58pm

Who actually owns the road? I would look into the legals around clamping people's cars - there are various requirements around signage etc.

Cyrus · 15-10-2020 3:00pm

C3PO wrote: »

Who actually owns the road? I would look into the legals around clamping people's cars - there are various requirements around signage etc.

the residents, and yes im aware that there are requirements around signage

brisan · 15-10-2020 6:34pm

Cyrus wrote: »

we live in a small estate / private road, circa 20 houses or so,

the estate wasnt and wont be taken over by the council, so we the residents have a management company and we pay a management fee for the management of the common areas.

Strangely even though a condition of planning was that the council wouldnt take the estate over, nor would they allow gates.

This has meant that from time to time people decide to use our private road as a place to park when collecting kids from a nearby school or visiting nearby houses.

the residents would like to prevent this as it can make access and exit dangerous and also there are a number of children in the estate so we would prefer non residents or visitors not to make a habit of driving in.

We are going to put up some more signs reminding people that its private land but what are our options regards clamping and has anyone engaged a private clamping co in this kind of scenario ?

All of the houses have their own driveways by the way its not a communal parking scenario.

i assume the school run is the same time every day
Have the clampers lie in wait at the usual time
Clampers will not mind if they get 10 or so cars in a 15 min spell
One or two days of that and they will soon get the message
Ask the management company to look into the legalities

Caranica · 15-10-2020 6:40pm

We have clamping in our private estate on a call out basis. No permits but people were parking on paths, against walls, in the turning space. They don't any more!

SteM · 15-10-2020 6:49pm

Might be worth having someone contact the school. Explain the issue and ask them to reach out to the parents via email to ask them not to park on the private land. Explain the danger to children etc and say that the the residents association will look into clamping if it continues.

Might be worth a punt before you start engaging clamping firms etc.

Cyrus · 15-10-2020 6:55pm

Thanks everyone some very useful and constructive advice

Much appreciated

ted1 · 16-10-2020 2:25am

If they are collecting kids from school then the issue only for 20 minutes each day , is it worth getting upset about?

If it is then contact the parents association

Pkiernan · 16-10-2020 4:31am

Clareman wrote: »

I'd a similar issue near a school, it is extremely annoying when people rock up, block driveways and generally increase traffic in a normally quiet area. What we did was get parking notices printed up on stickers (you know the kind that are very difficult to get off) and take it in turns to go around in the evenings, if there was someone sitting in the car you'd just hand them the notice and say "Oh thank god you're in the car, I'd hate to have to put it on your window they are very difficult to get off if they get wet", if the drivers challenge you just say "there's been reports of children nearly being knocked down so we have to do something", after a few weeks of this it'll sort itself out for the price of a bit of printing although you might have to do it again every September for a bit to remind people.

The act of placing those stickers on a car is criminal damage.

You do not have any legal basis to put those stickers on people's car windows, not to imply to a driver that you will do so.

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 9:45am

ted1 wrote: »

If they are collecting kids from school then the issue only for 20 minutes each day , is it worth getting upset about?

If it is then contact the parents association

maybe maybe not, but you wouldnt go and park in someones driveway and this is effectively the same thing, its bringing traffic in that doesnt belong and can cause issues for people entering and leaving. and while the school is part of it there are others who arent linked to the school (visiting people on the main road)

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 9:46am

Pkiernan wrote: »

The act of placing those stickers on a car is criminal damage.

You do not have any legal basis to put those stickers on people's car windows, not to imply to a driver that you will do so.

do you have any source for that assertion? genuine question as thats also an option. when i was in UCD they were used liberally, which i admit was quite some time ago, and the clampers use them aswell.

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 9:58am

ted1 wrote: »

If they are collecting kids from school then the issue only for 20 minutes each day , is it worth getting upset about?

If it is then contact the parents association

Have to say my own thoughts would be along these lines.

If it's mainly because of a nearby school, then surely the issue only exists for about 20 minutes at a time, just five days of the week, and not even anywhere near every week of the year?

The other example OP mentions is people visiting nearby houses. Just curious that if they or a neighbour have invited friends or relations over, where are those friends and relations supposed to park?

I'd feel differently if there was wanton and widespread all-day parking going on by people working nearby, or using the road as a "park and ride" for a nearby DART station or similar. But if it's usually just for 20 minutes at a time during the school run, and then a few other people dropping around a cup of tea from time to time, is it worth getting that worked up over in the first place?

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 11:17am

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Have to say my own thoughts would be along these lines.

If it's mainly because of a nearby school, then surely the issue only exists for about 20 minutes at a time, just five days of the week, and not even anywhere near every week of the year?

The other example OP mentions is people visiting nearby houses. Just curious that if they or a neighbour have invited friends or relations over, where are those friends and relations supposed to park?

I'd feel differently if there was wanton and widespread all-day parking going on by people working nearby, or using the road as a "park and ride" for a nearby DART station or similar. But if it's usually just for 20 minutes at a time during the school run, and then a few other people dropping around a cup of tea from time to time, is it worth getting that worked up over in the first place?

Each drive way can accomodate 3 cars and there are visitor parking spaces as well, none of the residents have an issue with guests parking.

Again id make the point if someone parked in your private driveway to your house you wouldnt stand for it, why should we?

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 12:08pm

Okay. Obviously if each driveway can accommodate three cars, then that's different than if they could only accommodate one, as is the case in many places. You hadn't mentioned that before, nor had you mentioned that there are actually separate visitor parking spaces too.

However, your statement here - "none of the residents have an issue with guests parking" - seems to contradict something you said in your opening post - "people decide to use our private road as a place to park when collecting kids from a nearby school or visiting nearby houses. the residents would like to prevent this"

All I can think is that when you said "nearby" houses, you meant houses close to your road, but not actually on it? But even at that, surely there'd have to be a large number of people visiting those nearby houses at the same time if this is really a significant problem, particularly if your road has visitor parking spaces anyway?

And on your last point, are you now claiming that people are parking in your own driveway, rather than the road outside it? For what it's worth, I wouldn't like strangers parking in my driveway either. But if they park on the road outside, there's not much I can do about it.

Anyway, seems the main issue here is parking during the school run. Again, I'm not sure it's worth getting all that bothered about. Roughly 20 minutes, two or three times a day, for roughly 167 days (if a secondary school) or 183 days (if a primary school) a year.

You can't even use the "won't somebody think of the children?" approach, because surely children from your road wouldn't be outside playing at those times anyway, if they're on the way to or from school themselves.

I used to live myself in an estate of about 50 houses, which wasn't taken in charge by the council either, and was just up the road from a primary school of about 400 pupils, so almost exactly the same situation as yourself. People used to pull in there to drop kids off in the morning, and pick them up in the afternoon. I didn't think it was any big deal, and I'm not sure you should either.

Just my opinion. Feel free to disregard it.

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 12:16pm

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Okay. Obviously if each driveway can accommodate three cars, then that's different than if they could only accommodate one, as is the case in many places. You hadn't mentioned that before, nor had you mentioned that there are actually separate visitor parking spaces too.

However, your statement here - "none of the residents have an issue with guests parking" - seems to contradict something you said in your opening post - "people decide to use our private road as a place to park when collecting kids from a nearby school or visiting nearby houses. the residents would like to prevent this"

All I can think is that when you said "nearby" houses, you meant houses close to your road, but not actually on it? But even at that, surely there'd have to be a large number of people visiting those nearby houses at the same time if this is really a significant problem, particularly if your road has visitor parking spaces anyway?

And on your last point, are you now claiming that people are parking in your own driveway, rather than the road outside it? For what it's worth, I wouldn't like strangers parking in my driveway either. But if they park on the road outside, there's not much I can do about it.

Anyway, seems the main issue here is parking during the school run. Again, I'm not sure it's worth getting all that bothered about. Roughly 20 minutes, twice a day, for roughly 167 days (if a secondary school) or 183 days (if a primary school) a year.

You can't even use the "won't somebody think of the children?" approach, because surely children from your road wouldn't be outside playing at those times anyway, if they're on the way to or from school themselves.

I used to live myself in an estate of about 50 houses, which wasn't taken in charge by the council either, and was just up the road from a primary school of about 400 pupils, so almost exactly the same situation as yourself. People used to pull in there to drop kids off in the morning, and pick them up in the afternoon. I didn't think it was any big deal, and I'm not sure you should either.

Just my opinion. Feel free to disregard it.

perhaps i wasnt clear, im speaking as a resident not as an individual house owner, when i saw visting nearby houses i mean houses not in our estate / on our private road.

good for you that it didnt bother you, but it is bothering the residents here, its not limited to the school run either, and there are younger kids here who arent of school going age.

you dont see an issue, thats beside the point, we do and i was looking for ways to resolve it not really anyone elses opinion on whether its a big issue or not, thats for the residents to decide as they own the property.

regarding your point that you cant do anything about someone parking on the road outside your drive way, thats true if you dont own the road, but in this case we do own it and its the driveway into our estate.

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 12:20pm

Fair 'nuff. Said you were free to disregard my view, and was just echoing the view of somebody else above anyway.

If you're determined to do something about the "problem", I reckon all the obvious solutions have been suggested here already.

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 12:23pm

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Fair 'nuff. Said you were free to disregard my view, and was just echoing the view of somebody else above anyway.

If you're determined to do something about the "problem", I reckon all the obvious solutions have been suggested here already.

yes they have and i thanked people for them.

no need for you to "echo" anyone elses view.

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 12:25pm

Cyrus wrote: »

no need for you to "echo" anyone elses view.

Fair 'nuff too.

I trust you'll say the same to persons 2, 3 and 4 who echoed the view of the first person to suggest you could consider clamping.

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 12:26pm

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Fair 'nuff too.

I trust you'll say the same to persons 2, 3 and 4 who echoed the view of the first person to suggest you could consider clamping.

its simple, i asked for some suggestions, not someone elses misinformed opinion of whether it was a problem or not,

lots of people provided helpful suggestions, you decided to try tell me its not a problem, you can understand how thats not really helpful right?

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 12:31pm

Sometimes the solution to a problem is to consider whether or not it's such a big problem after all, and if you should just learn to live with it. If you don't think that applies here - and clearly you don't - then once again, fair 'nuff.

C3PO · 16-10-2020 12:38pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Again id make the point if someone parked in your private driveway to your house you wouldnt stand for it, why should we?

Parking on the road or in someone's driveway are not comparable!

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 1:01pm

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Sometimes the solution to a problem is to consider whether or not it's such a big problem after all, and if you should just learn to live with it. If you don't think that applies here - and clearly you don't - then once again, fair 'nuff.

i dont.

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 1:01pm

C3PO wrote: »

Parking on the road or in someone's driveway are not comparable!

its not a public road, its a private entrance. so in this instance i see it as comprable.

16-10-2020 1:29pm

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Cyrus wrote: »

its not a public road, its a private entrance. so in this instance i see it as comprable.

Not really. One is obviously privately owned by an individual. The second is not so obviously owned by a large group of 20 households. How would anyone know it's a private road? Are there double yellows? Signs? A barrier? My driveway is within an obvious boundary with a gate.

It's an interesting argument though and if there were barriers, signs, etc I would be interested in seeing how a judge would look on it.

Cyrus wrote: »

do you have any source for that assertion? genuine question as thats also an option. when i was in UCD they were used liberally, which i admit was quite some time ago, and the clampers use them aswell.

Well, how would you feel if I stuck a sticker on your door that was very difficult to remove over a number of hours?

It's under section 2, criminal damage act 1991 and the definition of under section 1.

“to damage” includes—

(a) in relation to property other than data (but including a storage medium in which data are kept), to destroy, deface, dismantle or, whether temporarily or otherwise, render inoperable or unfit for use or prevent or impair the operation of,

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 1:42pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

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Not really. One is obviously privately owned by an individual. The second is not so obviously owned by a large group of 20 households. How would anyone know it's a private road? Are there double yellows? Signs? A barrier? My driveway is within an obvious boundary with a gate.

It's an interesting argument though and if there were barriers, signs, etc I would be interested in seeing how a judge would look on it.

Well, how would you feel if I stuck a sticker on your door that was very difficult to remove over a number of hours?

It's under section 2, criminal damage act 1991 and the definition of under section 1.

“to damage” includes—

(a) in relation to property other than data (but including a storage medium in which data are kept), to destroy, deface, dismantle or, whether temporarily or otherwise, render inoperable or unfit for use or prevent or impair the operation of,

whats an interesting argument? theres no argument as to whether the property is private, as to how someone would know, there is an entrance (ungated, but thats down to the CoCo) and there is a sign to say its private property.

i would be annoyed, and have been annoyed, if one of those stickers was on my window but it was on it because i had parked somewhere i shouldnt have.

as to whether a temporary sticker is defacement or not thats probably the more interesting argument.

anyway i got what i needed from the thread, thanks everyone.

anyone who wants to opine on whether its actually a problem please do so in the comfort if your own internal monologue :pac:

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 1:49pm

If I may return to this thread....with no mention of my own opinion on whether or not this is a problem at all, and instead to make a new suggestion that hasn't been put forward yet......

You could consider going the other way about things altogether, by creating the impression that it's a public road after all with normal "no parking" rules, rather than trying to emphasise that it's a private road.

Remove the "Private Property" sign and arrange to have yellow lines painted. Somebody else's earlier idea about leaving a car out in a prominent place with a clamp on it could even come into play here too.

As before, feel free to disregard, if that is your wont. It's just a new suggestion.

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 1:55pm

Thanks for the thanks

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 1:56pm

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Thanks for the thanks

thanks for the constructive suggestion and there is definite merit in the double yellow line idea, we are all programmed not to park on a double yellow!

16-10-2020 2:45pm

I'm going way off topic here, but why would the council have a hatred for gated estates?

C3PO · 16-10-2020 2:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm going way off topic here, but why would the council have a hatred for gated estates?

Because if there were gates then the parents from the school would have nowhere to park!!!

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 3:01pm

I believe (but I could be wrong) that it's because they feel gated estates would create unwanted divides in the community, when the grand plan and vision is for everybody to happily live alongside each other. Make of that what you will.

Also, that there may be concerns over access for things like delivery vehicles and emergency vehicles. They're possibly more valid concerns, but again, make of it what you will. I've no view on this one myself!

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 3:19pm

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

I believe (but I could be wrong) that it's because they feel gated estates would create unwanted divides in the community, when the grand plan and vision is for everybody to happily live alongside each other. Make of that what you will.

Also, that there may be concerns over access for things like delivery vehicles and emergency vehicles. They're possibly more valid concerns, but again, make of it what you will. I've no view on this one myself!

i think the main reason is that they dont want divides, there is a stigma attached to gated communities apparently.

but at the same time they dont want to take these new estates in charge either :rolleyes:

16-10-2020 5:29pm

Cyrus wrote: »

whats an interesting argument? theres no argument as to whether the property is private, as to how someone would know, there is an entrance (ungated, but thats down to the CoCo) and there is a sign to say its private property.

i would be annoyed, and have been annoyed, if one of those stickers was on my window but it was on it because i had parked somewhere i shouldnt have.

as to whether a temporary sticker is defacement or not thats probably the more interesting argument.

anyway i got what i needed from the thread, thanks everyone.

anyone who wants to opine on whether its actually a problem please do so in the comfort if your own internal monologue :pac:

Theres no arguement, its a crime. I highlighted it above. The clampers are licensed by the local authority. You are not.

It is very much up for debate about HOW people are expected to know its private when it is open and looks the same as most estates in the country. I dunno how having 'an entrance' makes it obvious, all estates tend to have them, makes it easier for people to get their cars home.

Sorry if that doesnt suit but thats the way it is.

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 5:55pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Theres no arguement, its a crime. I highlighted it above. The clampers are licensed by the local authority. You are not.

It is very much up for debate about HOW people are expected to know its private when it is open and looks the same as most estates in the country. I dunno how having 'an entrance' makes it obvious, all estates tend to have them, makes it easier for people to get their cars home.

Sorry if that doesnt suit but thats the way it is.

There is the sign that says it’s private ? And as I said whether it looks private or not isn’t the issue, it is private . That’s an irrefutable fact.

Also I have not seen any evidence of a successful prosecution for unlawful use of those stickers so you’ll forgive me if I don’t take your interpretation of a fairly widely worded piece of legislation as gospel unless you have an example to hand ?

You can get stickers that aren’t as difficult to remove aswell rather they will make the point that it’s a private road and not to park here in future but will just peel off.

brisan · 16-10-2020 6:39pm

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Have to say my own thoughts would be along these lines.

If it's mainly because of a nearby school, then surely the issue only exists for about 20 minutes at a time, just five days of the week, and not even anywhere near every week of the year?

The other example OP mentions is people visiting nearby houses. Just curious that if they or a neighbour have invited friends or relations over, where are those friends and relations supposed to park?

I'd feel differently if there was wanton and widespread all-day parking going on by people working nearby, or using the road as a "park and ride" for a nearby DART station or similar. But if it's usually just for 20 minutes at a time during the school run, and then a few other people dropping around a cup of tea from time to time, is it worth getting that worked up over in the first place?

Scholl drop off
1.30 finish for younger kids
2.30 finish for older kids
Thats 3 times a day

Uncle Pierre · 16-10-2020 6:57pm

brisan wrote: »

Scholl drop off
1.30 finish for younger kids
2.30 finish for older kids
Thats 3 times a day

Yes, if it's a primary school.

If it's a secondary school, they all get out at the same time, so it's just twice a day.

OP didn't specify which type of school it is. But at most, if 20 minutes at a time, it's a maximum of just one hour comings and goings out of 24 hours in a day, on only about half the days in the year.

Some people - such as OP and neighbours - see that as a problem. Personally, I don't. But we've moved on from that part of the discussion anyway.

JustAThought · 16-10-2020 7:09pm

Peoples selfishness with parking knows no bounds. I had a similar problem with headmelt selfish and totally inconsiderate mothers who would park at my (private) premises and waddle across to pick up their dahrlings and the drive the 50m home with them. It boiled my blood. After about a year I got in a company called RFC (I think) parking - for a smallish fee they errected 2 signs saying private, no parking clamping in place & we hd an agreement that I would call them with the reg plates of the daily offenders - they oarked around the corner and would come up and clamp - shooting fish in a barrel for them and I got a lit of evil satisfaction. I didn’t want every car clamped - just the selfish self entitled lazy ones who ruined it for everyone.

They can errect live video cameras and record the offenders and when the space is parked in a trigger text is sent to the local clamper guy who
just vrooms around and slaps a clamp on. Very satisfying. Or he can just park up there and be handy and save the petrol. again. Highly satisfying.

AndrewJRenko · 16-10-2020 7:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm going way off topic here, but why would the council have a hatred for gated estates?

Probably because they know how difficult it is in the long term to maintain these, to provide for a sinking fund to have them replaced over time, to maintain insurance to so that anyone injured by the gates is covered.

It's just a bit of an admin mess.

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 7:19pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Probably because they know how difficult it is in the long term to maintain these, to provide for a sinking fund to have them replaced over time, to maintain insurance to so that anyone injured by the gates is covered.

It's just a bit of an admin mess.

I doubt that’s it, we still need a management co, abs annual service charge , a sinking fund and we still need insurance for public liability, having gates would just increase the cost a little.

punisher5112 · 16-10-2020 7:26pm

In Rathgar village there is a private estate, with gates, the gates are in from the road about 1½ car lengths.

They had double yellows down but people still parked so they then put in big balls on the roadway, they are black which imo isn't the best idea as someone could trip but they done the trick on the parking....

SteM · 16-10-2020 7:27pm

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Yes, if it's a primary school.

If it's a secondary school, they all get out at the same time, so it's just twice a day.

OP didn't specify which type of school it is. But at most, if 20 minutes at a time, it's a maximum of just one hour comings and goings out of 24 hours in a day, on only about half the days in the year.

Some people - such as OP and neighbours - see that as a problem. Personally, I don't. But we've moved on from that part of the discussion anyway.

My guess is that you don't live close enough to a school for parent parking to effect you. It's easy to dismiss the OPs concerns in that case.

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