London Fire and Aftermath RIP

please helpThank YOU · 14-06-2017 3:15am #1

London Fire tonite on the news RIP. RIP London Fire Victims

coffeepls · 14-06-2017 3:17am

Looks awful. Hope everyone got out ok. It's a 24 storey tower block.

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-06-2017 3:21am

Some saying building may collapse.

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This image was on a news site, but originated on twitter so they may own the copyright

end of the road · 14-06-2017 3:23am

24 stories, 120 flats apparently. 200 fire fighters or more currently trying to tackle it. seems the whole block is alight. very very serious incident.

Gremlinertia · 14-06-2017 3:25am

Short video from the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2017/jun/14/fire-engulfs-west-london-tower-block-video?CMP=twt_gu

coffeepls · 14-06-2017 3:27am

Omg SKY news just showed it up close. Jesus.

ChunkyLover54 · 14-06-2017 3:30am

The pictures on Sky news now are terrifying. Fires scare the sh*t out of me. God help anyone stuck in there.

Gremlinertia · 14-06-2017 3:33am

Forty fire engines, terrifying stuff.

ChunkyLover54 · 14-06-2017 3:35am

Apparently residents were already concerned about the risk of fire at the building:

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/grenfell-tower-still-a-fire-risk/

coffeepls · 14-06-2017 3:39am

It'll be a miracle if everyone's got out of that alive. Can but hope. Oh god. RT (not RTÉ) news just headlined that people are trapped. Hope that's not true.

wonderfullife · 14-06-2017 3:53am

Early reports indicating 2 people being treated for smoke inhalation.

Hopefully those reports hold up.

Hank Scorpio · 14-06-2017 3:54am

Live feed here https://www.pscp.tv/chompbonk/1gqGvbnZEMlGB

Gremlinertia · 14-06-2017 3:55am

I hope the situation mentioned in the wordpress post was rectified and there was more than one entrance/exit

ChunkyLover54 · 14-06-2017 3:57am

Witness on sky now saying fire started on the lower floors and spread upwards. A catastrophe.

Gremlinertia · 14-06-2017 3:58am

Met Police tweet - Residents continue to be evacuated from the tower block fire in #NorthKensington. A number of people being treated for a range of injuries.

Donald Trump · 14-06-2017 3:59am

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

Guy on sky now saying fire started on the lower floors and spread upwards. A catastrophe.

Lucky that they got an expert on to explain how fire usually works!

It's terrifying. I'd be amazed if a lot of poor people haven't perished in that :-(

wonderfullife · 14-06-2017 4:01am

Gremlinertia wrote: »

I hope the situation mentioned in the wordpress post was rectified and there was more than one entrance/exit

Reports are the fire-service mounted an heroic, measured evacuation, instructing people to stay low on the descent and cover their mouths. Seems standard obviously but keeping people calm is important also.

It would seem unlikely nobody died though from the videos going around.

Shield · 14-06-2017 4:14am

I've attended fires in the past, and this one looks so unusual.

Any F&R people around to take a guess at what we're looking at?

-Shield.

ChunkyLover54 · 14-06-2017 4:15am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Lucky that they got an expert on to explain how fire usually works!
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The point is that it started on the lower floors of the building - presumably cutting off escape routes for people in floors above.

Hank Scorpio · 14-06-2017 4:19am

Started on 2nd floor according to Sky news

bigpink · 14-06-2017 4:33am

Shield wrote: »

I've attended fires in the past, and this one looks so unusual.

Any F&R people around to take a guess at what we're looking at?

-Shield.

Whats unusual

Shield · 14-06-2017 4:36am

Current advice from police: put a wet rag over your face and rescue yourself. Don't wait around to be saved. Wow.

JupiterKid · 14-06-2017 4:37am

Watching it on Sky News now. That fire is seriously intense - I hope as many residents as possible can be safely evacuated.

AllForIt · 14-06-2017 5:00am

This looks highly suspicious to me. Very large Muslim community in that area and in that tower block. I hope I'm wrong and it's not a retributive attack on the Muslim community.

tiger55 · 14-06-2017 5:23am

AllForIt wrote: »

This looks highly suspicious to me. Very large Muslim community in that area and in that tower block. I hope I'm wrong and it's not a retributive attack on the Muslim community.

Here we go

the_syco · 14-06-2017 5:28am

Shield wrote: »

Current advice from police: put a wet rag over your face and rescue yourself. Don't wait around to be saved. Wow.

Not a bad idea in fairness, as some people may wait until it's safe to leave.

punisher5112 · 14-06-2017 5:28am

Looks to me like stairwells are well ablaze.

Hope all get out.

One would wonder where are the sprinklers.

tiger55 · 14-06-2017 5:41am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Looks to me like stairwells are well ablaze.

Hope all get out.

One would wonder where are the sprinklers.

What could possibly be in a stairwell to cause such a fire?

DOCARCH · 14-06-2017 5:45am

Shield wrote: »

I've attended fires in the past, and this one looks so unusual.

Any F&R people around to take a guess at what we're looking at?

Looks to me like the tower was externally insulated and it's the external insulation that's on fire.

punisher5112 · 14-06-2017 5:47am

tiger55 wrote: »

What could possibly be in a stairwell to cause such a fire?

Easy way for fire to have a clear run.

Badly built and poor firewall if any.

Now I could be mistaken but have worked in many office style buildings similar doing electrical work and just looks like that's where the straight lines up of the fire are.

Cable, stairwell furnishings, timber and plastics. Many things for a fire to take hold.

long_b · 14-06-2017 6:06am

DOCARCH wrote: »

Looks to me like the tower was externally insulated and it's the external insulation that's on fire.

That's what a guy who was in there said in an interview on BBC.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40269625

Looks absolutely horrendous

Wanderer78 · 14-06-2017 6:12am

Holy ****, that looks bad

tiger55 · 14-06-2017 6:17am

punisher5112 wrote: »

tiger55 wrote: »

What could possibly be in a stairwell to cause such a fire?

Easy way for fire to have a clear run.

Badly built and poor firewall if any.

Now I could be mistaken but have worked in many office style buildings similar doing electrical work and just looks like that's where the straight lines up of the fire are.

Cable, stairwell furnishings, timber and plastics. Many things for a fire to take hold.

I have lived in high flats. They are just concrete in the stairwells Not even a carpet.

punisher5112 · 14-06-2017 6:19am

tiger55 wrote: »

I have lived in high flats. They are just concrete in the stairwells Not even a carpet.

I understand that but there will be parts that will catch fire and also with heat and pure force flames will jump and get a huge amount of oxygen as fuel to it in such a place.

dfx- · 14-06-2017 6:30am

DOCARCH wrote: »

Looks to me like the tower was externally insulated and it's the external insulation that's on fire.

Look like that might be how it spread - supposedly one side was on fire at the beginning.

But on the other hand, some of the upper floors look gutted, so it got inside. You'd wonder if it has been recently refurbished what the internal fire suppression was like in the upper floors.

14-06-2017 6:30am

long_b wrote: »

That's what a guy who was in there said in an interview on BBC.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40269625

Looks absolutely horrendous

That eye-witness gave a great but horrifying account of it.

bodhrandude · 14-06-2017 6:56am

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj11I-u07zUAhUIY1AKHdN4BCE4ChAWCDEwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-4601902%2FHuge-inferno-West-London-tower-block.html&usg=AFQjCNGUsGNbciWIvDNV6BLm_9snNgiYuw&sig2=dQwIAjqUa7mVUXadj9IXSw

Persephone kindness · 14-06-2017 6:57am

Horrible. The damage looks extensive.

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

Apparently residents were already concerned about the risk of fire at the building:

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/grenfell-tower-still-a-fire-risk/

I hope someone is charged then. Building safety standards have to be looked into.

bodhrandude · 14-06-2017 6:59am

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Horrible. The damage looks extensive.

I hope someone is charged then. Building safety standards have to be looked into.

We don't know the outcome yet it could have been deliberately started.

Peregrinus · 14-06-2017 7:03am

bodhrandude wrote: »

We don't know the outcome yet it could have been deliberately started.

That wouldn't change the fact that the big issue here is why it spread to consume the entire building. Building standards are suppose to prevent this, and their operation doesn't depend on whether a fire is started by accident or deliberately.

Persephone kindness · 14-06-2017 7:04am

tiger55 wrote: »

I have lived in high flats. They are just concrete in the stairwells Not even a carpet.

They tend to be older flats. It's more expensive. But it acts as a cheap fire protectant. The thing is the opposite is true in winter....as in it gets VERY cold. So people freeze or have fire risk. You have to insulate a tower block to be able to heat it properly.

In the old flats even with the heat on people would die sometimes of cold.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/heating-was-working-in-flat-where-woman-died-of-cold-says-council-1.581608

This woman died of hypothermia...the heating was working though ..so people didn't get it ..but it's the old style block of flats extensive concrete ..which has one good thing it's a fire protectant ..

The bad side is it will make a block of flats freezing even when heated ...so they started to use insulation or diff design and material....some i guess might be more flammable.

bodhrandude · 14-06-2017 7:06am

Hey Persephone you might need to fix that video embed.

Persephone kindness · 14-06-2017 7:06am

Peregrinus wrote: »

That wouldn't change the fact that the big issue here is why it spread to consume the entire building. Building standards are suppose to prevent this, and their operation doesn't depend on whether a fire is started by accident or deliberately.

When you get buildings on mass like that and stuff people into them that is what happens ..the best fire protectant is space.

14-06-2017 7:08am

Peregrinus wrote: »

That wouldn't change the fact that the big issue here is why it spread to consume the entire building. Building standards are suppose to prevent this, and their operation doesn't depend on whether a fire is started by accident or deliberately.

I don't think building standards are meant to prevent fire caused by arson. It would seem to me to be an impossibly high standard. I can't think of any residence that wouldn't burn if effort and thought was put into it.

Persephone kindness · 14-06-2017 7:10am

bodhrandude wrote: »

Hey Persephone you might need to fix that video embed.

Fixed

Liamalone · 14-06-2017 7:11am

Awfully intense fire it looked like, not many above the floor it started on will have escaped that. Fire service on a beaten docket from the start there.

Persephone kindness · 14-06-2017 7:12am

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think building standards are meant to prevent fire caused by arson. It would seem to me to be an impossibly high standard. I can't think of any residence that wouldn't burn if effort and thought was put into it.

No but they should make it as easy to escape from as a house. And if they can't restrict how tall they can be.

Peregrinus · 14-06-2017 7:14am

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think building standards are meant to prevent fire caused by arson. It would seem to me to be an impossibly high standard. I can't think of any residence that wouldn't burn if effort and thought was put into it.

No, buildings standards can't prevent arson. But they can retard the spread of fire, and the way in which fire spreads doesn't really depend on whether it was started accidentally or deliberately.

In a residential tower block like this, fires will start - electrical fires, kitchen fires, wastepaper basket fires, whatever. You can add possible arson to that list, but it doesn't really change the picture. Arson or no arson, there will be fires and the building needs to be designed, built and operated with this in mind. And if it is designed and built that way, then a fire should not spread through 24 floors and consume the entire building. Even a fire which is the result of arson.

Quazzie · 14-06-2017 7:15am

If it was the external insulation on fire, perhaps it looks worse than in it is and inside it isn't so bad?

Persephone kindness · 14-06-2017 7:15am

It's awful ..not only for those dead. The trauma. And people who lost loved ones and their homes and everything they own. I hope people help out!

Persephone kindness · 14-06-2017 7:19am

Everyone in that building has lost their home they can never go back...and with smoke inhalation etc ...people lost family friends neighbors.

London Fire and Aftermath RIP

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