If Fianna Fail win the next election, will we see boom time policies?

road_high · 13-10-2019 9:52pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

i too would like to massively savage government spending

These days there’s payments and special
Payments for every bloody thing- back to school allowance a case in point. Used to be a very rare payment for the genuinely needy. Now every second sponger is claiming this as an “entitlement “. The entitlement culture has become so engrained and our politicians have been feeding into this non sense for votes- I often get political newsletters in the door from both FF and FG TDs and pride of place is all the “entitlements” that come out of our monthly wages !

noodler · 13-10-2019 9:54pm

JRant wrote: »

The pension bill needs to be seriously reconsidered. How can the state still be paying out index linked defined benefit pensions?

It isn't, it's paying out PS pensions linked to increases in PS pay.

Indexation of PS pay hasn't been adopted yet.

State Pension needs to be changed depending on income.

JRant · 13-10-2019 9:55pm

noodler wrote: »

Agree with you on the NBP (or at least the most expensive part of it covering the least people) but will have to agree to disagree on the rest.

Fair enough

As a matter of interest, do you not think a Dublin metro is required?

lola85 · 13-10-2019 9:55pm

JRant wrote: »

I have no problem with social or affordable housing. I actually think a large scale investment in this type would alleviate lot of the pressure on the rental market with the added benefit of actually providing a long term housing stock option for future generations.

Future generations of mostly wasters and criminals.

Before you all loose your ****, I said MOSTLY.

JRant · 13-10-2019 9:56pm

noodler wrote: »

It isn't, it's paying out PS pensions linked to increases in PS pay.

Indexation of PS pay hasn't been adopted yet.

State Pension needs to be changed depending on income.

You are correct, that is what I was trying to say.

noodler · 13-10-2019 9:56pm

JRant wrote: »

Fair enough

As a matter of interest, do you not think a Dublin metro is required?

I think it'd be a worthwhile project.

Maybe borderline in terms of CBA but the risk is worth it.

road_high · 13-10-2019 9:58pm

lola85 wrote: »

Have to laugh when people say FG only care about the rich.

The welfare brigade have been spoiled under this government.

I’d have hoped FG would have had the sense to make sone inroads into the bloated welfare state but they’ve fed into it - crazy as none of this ungrateful lot will ever vote for them.

JRant · 13-10-2019 10:01pm

noodler wrote: »

I think it'd be a worthwhile project.

Maybe borderline in terms of CBA but the risk is worth it.

The Luas project shows that if you build it they will come. The problem with the Luas is that it should have been a metro system instead. Go underground in the city centre and above ground outside of this.

Anyhow, don't want to derail the thread with this.

JRant · 13-10-2019 10:11pm

road_high wrote: »

I’d have hoped FG would have had the sense to make sone inroads into the bloated welfare state but they’ve fed into it - crazy as none of this ungrateful lot will ever vote for them.

They ensured the grey vote was well looked after.

13-10-2019 10:14pm

An extra 5 a month from tax reductions can be nice, but if rent goes up 50 a month it’s pretty meaningless.

oceanman · 13-10-2019 10:15pm

JRant wrote: »

Of course they are, it's just state sanctioned theft. They use workers money for their own vanity projects with little to no regards as how it should actually be spent.

Consider the amount of working people in Dublin who would benefit from a large metro project being built. No more hour long commutes from Swords to the city etc. But no, we need broadband for one off houses instead.

so its all just about Dublin?

lola85 · 13-10-2019 10:16pm

JRant wrote: »

They ensured the grey vote was well looked after.

Willie O Dea?

Not this budget although he pushed hard, the slieveen.

road_high · 13-10-2019 10:17pm

JRant wrote: »

They ensured the grey vote was well looked after.

That’s quite an admirable thing, the way we look after OAPs but I just wish there was a lot more honesty and appreciation about it from that section. In reality they are very well looked after compared to European peers and the image of the destitute struggling old pensioner is pretty bloody far from the reality (and thankfully so). Many working people do not get a yearly salary rise or Xmas bonus so don’t see why people on OA pensions expect and demand the same. It’s very weak government and fiscal management that panders to this

Harry Palmr · 13-10-2019 10:19pm

The grey vote is vital to win so they are pandered to in a way the working poor are not.

JRant · 13-10-2019 10:22pm

oceanman wrote: »

so its all just about Dublin?

Well it is the economic hub of the entire country and has about one quarter of the population.

Oy in gombeen politics is bringing fibre to one off houses more important than developing the capitals infrastructure.

road_high · 13-10-2019 10:22pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The grey vote is vital to win so they are pandered to in a way the working poor are not.

Yes the low paid and in private rented accommodation are the worst off in society but almost invisible. Especially those just above any welfare “entitlements”

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2019 10:24pm

lola85 wrote:

The national broadband plan is sound and anyone with a bit of sense knows that.

I want every home in the country to have access to broadband and as a dub I don't mind paying for something I'll never use. Its good for the county. In short I'm in favour of rural broadband.

I'm not in favour of giving billions to a private company and not even owning part of the system. We are being sold a pup on this

FG are as bad as FF for playing fast and loose with my money.

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2019 10:31pm

lola85 wrote:

Honestly Iâ€™m reading the NBP thread here regularly and people who know about this stuff reckon itâ€™s a good idea.

It's not that it's a bad idea. It's the implementation of of it & the costing that's outlandish. Literally gifting billions to a pr company

JRant · 13-10-2019 10:32pm

lola85 wrote: »

Willie O Dea?

Not this budget although he pushed hard, the slieveen.

The one and only, more worried about party politics than what was good for the country.

lola85 · 13-10-2019 10:32pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I want every home in the country to have access to broadband and as a dub I don't mind paying for something I'll never use. Its good for the county. In short I'm in favour of rural broadband.

I'm not in favour of giving billions to a private company and not even owning part of the system. We are being sold a pup on this

FG are as bad as FF for playing fast and loose with my money.

Everything the government has owned in the history of the state ended up been a endless black hole for money.

For once let’s not make the same mistake.

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2019 10:35pm

lola85 wrote:

Everything the government has owned in the history of the state ended up been a endless black hole for money.

That doesn't mean that we donate billions to a private company though.

JRant · 13-10-2019 10:37pm

lola85 wrote: »

Everything the government has owned in the history of the state ended up been a endless black hole for money.

For once let’s not make the same mistake.

The ESB is a successful model that should be replicated in other industries. Unfortunately, the cute hoors in government want their own lackies to have a large slice of the pie so that will never happen again.

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2019 10:42pm

JRant wrote:

The ESB is a successful model that should be replicated in other industries. Unfortunately, the cute hoors in government want their own lackies to have a large slice of the pie so that will never happen again.

FG tried this with Irish water by having ESB handling the billing. They squandered 50 million on consultants in less than a year!

JohnnyFlash · 13-10-2019 10:45pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

FG tried this with Irish water by having ESB handling the billing. They squandered 50 million on consultants in less than a year!

The ESB? No they didn’t.

Eric Cartman · 13-10-2019 10:48pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

FG tried this with Irish water by having ESB handling the billing. They squandered 50 million on consultants in less than a year!

that was bord gais for the billing , also it wouldnt have been squandered if it went ahead..... but ofcourse the unemployed got too rowdy.

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2019 10:49pm

JohnnyFlash wrote:

The ESB? No they didnâ€™t.

Was it Board Gas?

Calhoun · 13-10-2019 10:49pm

Depends on how brexit goes, if its soft i can see FG getting a boot up the arse, if its a hard one they maybe ok.

As a tax payer its a hard one as there are not allot of credible alternatives.

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2019 10:53pm

Eric Cartman wrote:

that was bord gais for the billing , also it wouldnt have been squandered if it went ahead..... but ofcourse the unemployed got too rowdy.

My mistake.

It was squandered though. They were pushed into the billing section of the Irish water money pit because they were experts in billing. FG believed that they wouldn't need consulting & definitely not 50 million worth of it. In fairness even FG ministers were astounded at what they spent on consultancy.

jmreire · 13-10-2019 10:58pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The grey vote is vital to win so they are pandered to in a way the working poor are not.

So Harry, the "Grey Vote" IE OAP's are Pandered to in a way that the working poor are not....What about the 50 odd years they worked, and were the "working Poor" them selves??? Don't be so quick to blame the OAPs for the ill's of this Country, they are not the cause of it. It was not the OAP's who made the financial mess was it? so pick some other category to blame, banker's, politician's maybe? Leave the OAP's out of it...they have done their bit to keep the Country afloat.

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2019 11:10pm

jmreire wrote:

So Harry, the "Grey Vote" IE OAP's are Pandered to in a way that the working poor are not....What about the 50 odd years they worked, and were the "working Poor" them selves??? Don't be so quick to blame the OAPs for the ill's of this Country, they are not the cause of it. It was not the OAP's who made the financial mess was it? so pick some other category to blame, banker's, politician's maybe? Leave the OAP's out of it...they have done their bit to keep the Country afloat.

I don't think he's blaming the oaps. I think he is blaming the government for bribing the oaps to vote for them.

Plumbthedepths · 13-10-2019 11:15pm

lola85 wrote: »

That’s the reason why the NBP isn’t sound?

Are you for real?

The poster said because it’s been rolled out to houses whether they want it or not?

Sure if we applied that logic to gas, electricity, oil, roads, train tracks n the past we would be still living like cavemen!!

You come across as someone who just wants to moan for the sake of it.

The poster said more than just that one point as you well know.

lola85 · 13-10-2019 11:23pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The poster said more than just that one point as you well know.

What?

That it won’t be owned by the government?

And what’s your alternative?

You’re a spoofer and you have been shown up in this thread on numerous occasions.

No credible argument.

Bitch bitch bitch, moan moan moan.

Try something different.

Plumbthedepths · 13-10-2019 11:34pm

lola85 wrote: »

What?

That it won’t be owned by the government?

And what’s your alternative?

You’re a spoofer and you have been shown up in this thread on numerous occasions.

No credible argument.

Bitch bitch bitch, moan moan moan.

Try something different.

As I said you should do stand up. Btw shown up numerous times!where and by whom? I do remember you getting your ass handed to you several times particularly when you claimed a photo of an ER crowed with people on trollies was fake news only for poster to link the article from the Cork Examiner. I was actually embarrassed for you ;-)

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2019 11:36pm

lola85 wrote:

The poster said because itâ€™s been rolled out to houses whether they want it or not?

I said on another post that I'd love every home in the country to have broadband.

Where the plan fails is that it wanted bidders like air to provide better & faster broadband to rural areas cheaper than its existing customer base in Dublin. They had major issues with this. This was just one of the many flaws in the bidding process.

The mayor flaw with the broadband plan is the billions the Irish taxpayer will have to pump into the bottomless pit and never ever get any return on the investment. A private company gets the benefits of billions of taxpayers money Pumped in. We'll never own it but we will donate billions.

You say that you have followed the broadband thread. Like anything on Boards you have to be careful about who is posting what. You will find the posters making it sound like a wonderful plan are waiting at home for rural broadband. In other words what they claim may not be true. Any broadband companies that have commented have poo pooed the plan. I haven't seen any "expert" without a vested interest say that it's a good plan.

That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a broadband plan it just means that this one is a bad one from the taxpayers point of view. Eir believe it can be done much cheaper but FG have wasted so much time on the scheme that they don't want to start from scratch as it will delay it for a few years even though it could save a billion or more.

Fast and loose with our money. Absolutely no difference between them and FF

Plumbthedepths · 13-10-2019 11:41pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

that was bord gais for the billing , also it wouldnt have been squandered if it went ahead..... but ofcourse the unemployed got too rowdy.

The unemployed? There was an anti charges protest that hit the streets in Dublin which had over a 100k march are you claiming every protester was unemployed?

Loafing Oaf · 13-10-2019 11:54pm

road_high wrote: »

The entitlement culture has become so engrained and our politicians have been feeding into this non sense for votes- I often get political newsletters in the door from both FF and FG TDs and pride of place is all the “entitlements” that come out of our monthly wages !

Doing what the voters, or the great majority of them, want? I believe that's called 'democracy'...

lola85 · 14-10-2019 12:01am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I said on another post that I'd love every home in the country to have broadband.

Where the plan fails is that it wanted bidders like air to provide better & faster broadband to rural areas cheaper than its existing customer base in Dublin. They had major issues with this. This was just one of the many flaws in the bidding process.

The mayor flaw with the broadband plan is the billions the Irish taxpayer will have to pump into the bottomless pit and never ever get any return on the investment. A private company gets the benefits of billions of taxpayers money Pumped in. We'll never own it but we will donate billions.

You say that you have followed the broadband thread. Like anything on Boards you have to be careful about who is posting what. You will find the posters making it sound like a wonderful plan are waiting at home for rural broadband. In other words what they claim may not be true. Any broadband companies that have commented have poo pooed the plan. I haven't seen any "expert" without a vested interest say that it's a good plan.

That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a broadband plan it just means that this one is a bad one from the taxpayers point of view. Eir believe it can be done much cheaper but FG have wasted so much time on the scheme that they don't want to start from scratch as it will delay it for a few years even though it could save a billion or more.

Fast and loose with our money. Absolutely no difference between them and FF

Eir?

Show me the cost plan they have that it can be done cheaper.

You spoofer.

Plumbthedepths · 14-10-2019 12:02am

Before I say goodnight, what has seen the rise of FF after they brought this country to the brink of bankruptcy has been the behaviour of FG since 2011, well done FG on the rehabilitation of FF. Even the recent headlines in the papers have 3 FG politicians having to repay the state after fraudulently claiming expenses.

Sleeper12 · 14-10-2019 12:10am

lola85 wrote:

Show me the cost plan they have that it can be done cheaper.

You haven't been following the news have you? This came out two months ago but FG won't look into it because they want to sign off on the plan before the election. They are selling out the country for election votes. The sensible thing is to research the new costings but that brings us to after the election & they want your vote

TheRiverman · 14-10-2019 12:14am

I know it is still extremely difficult to try and support Fianna Fail after what they did to the country, but the current shower have savaged us with taxes and cut backs and need to be obliterated at the next election.

Sleeper12 · 14-10-2019 12:15am

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Before I say goodnight, what has seen the rise of FF after they brought this country to the brink of bankruptcy has been the behaviour of FG since 2011, well done FG on the rehabilitation of FF. Even the recent headlines in the papers have 3 FG politicians having to repay the state after fraudulently claiming expenses.

Totally agree. I blame the typical FG voters too though. Whenever you point out the waste of FG you get back "but sure look at what FF did". That's the bar FG supporters set for their party. But FF did the same is not good enough imo

lola85 · 14-10-2019 12:16am

TheRiverman wrote: »

I know it is still extremely difficult to try and support Fianna Fail after what they did to the country, but the current shower have savaged us with taxes and cut backs and need to be obliterated at the next election.

Why is there taxes and cut backs?

Go on use your head.

Loafing Oaf · 14-10-2019 12:19am

TheRiverman wrote: »

I know it is still extremely difficult to try and support Fianna Fail after what they did to the country, but the current shower have savaged us with taxes and cut backs and need to be obliterated at the next election.

Surely someone who doesn't like either party should be looking for someone else to vote for...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-10-2019 12:19am

antimatterx wrote: »

There's going to be an election within the next year. That's for certain. But if FF won, do you reckon we will see a return to boom time policies?

Tax cuts, money thrown at people. Big big plans on paper? Relaxed mortgage rules, big capital investment projects?

Oh absolutely, sure. Definitely. If you're a Fianna Fail politician, a bank manager or have dirt on them.

jmreire · 14-10-2019 12:27am

road_high wrote: »

That’s quite an admirable thing, the way we look after OAPs but I just wish there was a lot more honesty and appreciation about it from that section. In reality they are very well looked after compared to European peers and the image of the destitute struggling old pensioner is pretty bloody far from the reality (and thankfully so). Many working people do not get a yearly salary rise or Xmas bonus so don’t see why people on OA pensions expect and demand the same. It’s very weak government and fiscal management that panders to this

Honesty and appreciation from that section....why the hell should they? They have well earned what ever they now get,,,it's been paid for. Ask yourself the same question after you have finished 45-50 years working in this state, and see what you think then. Good Luck to them, they carried this Country on their backs, when it needed carrying... but that's forgotten pretty quick though, isn't it?

TheRiverman · 14-10-2019 12:29am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Surely someone who doesn't like either party should be looking for someone else to vote for...

Sinn Fein,never.
Labour, once did,never again.
Green Party,never,never,never.
All the other misfits,never.

Loafing Oaf · 14-10-2019 12:34am

TheRiverman wrote: »

Sinn Fein,never.
Labour, once did,never again.
Green Party,never,never,never.
All the other misfits,never.

Was making a general point, not particularly asking about your voting intentions. You seemed to be implying that people who want to put FG out of office have to vote for FF whether they like them or not...

LillySV · 14-10-2019 12:35am

Well fg kind to everyone but the middle income taxpayer ..... the middle income paye worker treated like ****... constantly hit with hidden taxes and charges in every budget... the current Fianna Fáil govt be no better though... they’ve happily stood by in the background for last no of years doing nothing and blaming the confidence and supply agreement ...they’re just happy to sit by doing nothing and getting paid ... something has to change with the political system in Ireland as too many people getting paid too much to do nothing

Wanderer78 · 14-10-2019 6:49am

LillySV wrote:

Well fg kind to everyone but the middle income taxpayer ..... the middle income paye worker treated like ****... constantly hit with hidden taxes and charges in every budget... the current Fianna FÃ¡il govt be no better though... theyâ€™ve happily stood by in the background for last no of years doing nothing and blaming the confidence and supply agreement ...theyâ€™re just happy to sit by doing nothing and getting paid ... something has to change with the political system in Ireland as too many people getting paid too much to do nothing

Our political systems have effectively been de-powered, it doesn't really matter who's voted in, as they would have limited abilities to change things, and this isn't confined to Ireland either

suicide_circus · 14-10-2019 9:40am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Our political systems have effectively been de-powered, it doesn't really matter who's voted in, as they would have limited abilities to change things, and this isn't confined to Ireland either

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If Fianna Fail win the next election, will we see boom time policies?

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