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Why do Irish people support English teams?

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  • #152
    Arthur Daley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Simply, and I don't mean to offend, you're deluded.

    Well another poster referred to middle of the Championship. Talking about the top teams here. Do you think there is a crazy gulf between middle of the Championship and Huddersfield and Fulham? I don't see it myself. A team in the middle of the Championship today can string a few results together and be promoted in the playoffs in May.

    Marketing tells us there are these gulfs, our experiences might challenge that.


  • #153
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    8-10 wrote: »
    And I feel a real sense of belonging at Anfield. That's what supporting your team is about.

    That seems utterly bizarre to me. Good luck to you anyway.


  • #154
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    The people who have an problem with people supporting English teams are the issue. Who cares?

    Seems to be some of sort of inferiority complex/chip on shoulder thing going on.


  • #155
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    That seems utterly bizarre to me. Good luck to you anyway.


    Is it as bizzare as a bohs fan from Tallaght?


  • #156
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    That seems utterly bizarre to me.

    Maybe you don't understand sports. I feel the same about Fenway and the Red Sox. A lot more than any baseball teams in the Irish league


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  • #157
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    limnam wrote: »
    Is it as bizzare as a bohs fan from Tallaght?

    It’s far more bizarre and you know that. Anyway I’ve nothing more to add to this convo but I hope you all try and get a match in in the LOI this season.


  • #158
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    It’s far more bizarre and you know that. Anyway I’ve nothing more to add to this convo but I hope you all try and get a match in in the LOI this season.


    How so?


    A tallaght person has many local teams but decides to follow bohs.


    You said its about where you're from?


    So is there a km limit you impose? or ?


  • #159
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Arthur Daley wrote: »
    Well another poster referred to middle of the Championship. Talking about the top teams here. Do you think there is a crazy gulf between middle of the Championship and Huddersfield and Fulham? I don't see it myself. A team in the middle of the Championship today can string a few results together and be promoted in the playoffs in May.

    Marketing tells us there are these gulfs, our experiences might challenge that.

    First of all you're assuming I agree with middle championship level. That'd be a mistake.

    Nottingham Forrest, a significant size club that have won 2 European championships were relegated to tier 3 of the English league as recently as 2006/7.

    To think Dundalk or Cork (Look at them this season) could compete in even the third tier is laughable. The very best of the best i.e. Seanie Maguire of Cork get poached by the second tier English clubs. But, that's only the best. If LOI players were as good as tier 3 players in the English league that's where they would be playing. Even Cork lost 9 players from last season because their season/1 year contracts were up.


  • #160
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    NewbridgeIR wrote: »
    Well you have things like this

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    Saw plenty of half 'n' half Liverpool / Rangers scarves when I used to visit Belfast regularly c12-15 years ago.

    Official merc? :pac:

    I see your fan made tat and raise you...

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0502/959889-victorious-liverpool-players-offer-support-to-sean-cox/


  • #161
    Maurice Yeltsin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 127 ✭✭Maurice Yeltsin


    8-10 wrote: »
    And I feel a real sense of belonging at Anfield. That's what supporting your team is about.

    Do you think the Scousers really think you belong?

    I'm not trying to offend here, but I truly think that proper football men from England are baffled as to why Irish people can be obsessive fans of a foreign club. Go to a FB group like Football Away Days, numerous fans complaining that the atmosphere just isn't what it used to be because of the presence of too many daytrippers.

    It's great to see foreign football tourists at LOI games as you often do but these lads are purists, a gawk at the local team is an essential part of the holiday and something I like to fit in when I'm away myself, but I'd be amazed to meet anyone from Holland in the boozer afterwards who goes on about how ****e the Eredivise is.


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  • #162
    Maurice Yeltsin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 127 ✭✭Maurice Yeltsin


    limnam wrote: »
    So it's not just an Irish thing.


    Glad we cleared that up.

    Yes. It is primarily just an Irish thing, in Europe at least.


  • #163
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Maurice Yeltsin wrote: »
    Do you think the Scousers really think you belong?

    You mean blue nose* Everton fans?:P


    * I think that's a banable offence in the soccer forum. :rolleyes:


  • #164
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Maurice Yeltsin wrote: »
    Do you think the Scousers really think you belong?


    Do bohs fans think tallaght people belong in dalymount?


  • #165
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    8-10 wrote: »
    That’s a topic for a different thread. The OP is basically saying Irish Catholics should support Everton just like they should support Celtic.

    I disagree with both, we should be far past using religion as the basis for doing anything. We have free will, we are no longer obliged to follow the church blindly

    But overall I don’t even agree with the assertion the Everton is a Catholic club and Liverpool isn’t. Both are far more diverse and international these days, I don’t think that opinion is based in reality. If they’re officially Catholic they don’t show it and haven’t mentioned it anytime recently

    You are wrong-Everton is recognised as the Catholic club and Liverpool was always traditionally protestant.


  • #166
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    You are wrong-Everton is recognised as the Catholic club and Liverpool was always traditionally protestant.

    Recognised by who, the UN or the 19th century?


  • #167
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    You are wrong-Everton is recognised as the Catholic club

    Link please


  • #168
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Maurice Yeltsin wrote: »
    Do you think the Scousers really think you belong?

    I'm not claiming to be from the city, I'm not saying I'm a scouser.

    But yes always get a great welcome there, it's a very friendly city and has some great Irish links going back, I think Michael D was over there recently


  • #169
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    Those who follow English teams are active participants in the long standing and active process of turning Ireland into little England. Speak English, watch English tv, follow English teams, act like English people, mirror societal views from England, this list goes on. Then you have some of the younger generation aiming for the little America title. What's wrong with our own culture? I'll point out, this is not only an issue for Ireland, many countries are also turning their backs on their own traditions.


  • #170
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Perifect wrote: »
    Those who follow English teams are active participants in the long standing and active process of turning Ireland into little England. Speak English, watch English tv, follow English teams, act like English people, mirror societal views from England, this list goes on. Then you have some of the younger generation aiming for the little America title. What's wrong with our own culture? I'll point out, this is not only an issue for Ireland, many countries are also turning their backs on their own traditions.

    Which is worse culturally in terms of turning back on traditions in your opinion, speaking English or supporting a Premier League team?


  • #171
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Perifect wrote: »
    Those who follow English teams are active participants in the long standing and active process of turning Ireland into little England. Speak English, watch English tv, follow English teams, act like English people, mirror societal views from England, this list goes on. Then you have some of the younger generation aiming for the little America title. What's wrong with our own culture? I'll point out, this is not only an issue for Ireland, many countries are also turning their backs on their own traditions.

    That's one thing is true. In 10-20 years Irishness will be a thing of the past and within 30 we'll be back where we started in the Union.


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  • #172
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Perifect wrote: »
    Those who follow English teams are active participants in the long standing and active process of turning Ireland into little England. Speak English, watch English tv, follow English teams, act like English people, mirror societal views from England, this list goes on. Then you have some of the younger generation aiming for the little America title. What's wrong with our own culture? I'll point out, this is not only an issue for Ireland, many countries are also turning their backs on their own traditions.


    and here you're typing out the queens English instead of hanging around the tg4 forums.


    If you're not part of the solution....


  • #173
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Perifect wrote: »
    Those who follow English teams are active participants in the long standing and active process of turning Ireland into little England. Speak English, watch English tv, follow English teams, act like English people, mirror societal views from England, this list goes on. Then you have some of the younger generation aiming for the little America title. What's wrong with our own culture? I'll point out, this is not only an issue for Ireland, many countries are also turning their backs on their own traditions.

    You might have some credence if you posted that as gaeilge. :p

    It's multi cultural world. There's literally an entire world outside of the comely maidens dancing at the cross roads. And, btw, would the local LOI garrison playing teams be Irish enough for you?


  • #174
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    Is it because Irish teams are ****e and English teams are far superior?


  • #175
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    8-10 wrote: »
    Link please

    I don't need a link I live there-btw,I think it's a good thing that there is a healthy interest in the EPL-I'm on twitter and follow Everton supporters clubs in Ireland,NI and the US.
    I think the Catholic/Protestant thing in Liverpool has gradually died out since the 70's,but traditionally it existed-Everton were originally called St Domingo FC.


  • #176
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    You are wrong-Everton is recognised as the Catholic club and Liverpool was always traditionally protestant.

    They were both formed by the same people who were members of the same church, a Protestant church.


  • #177
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    That's one thing is true. In 10-20 years Irishness will be a thing of the past and within 30 we'll be back where we started in the Union.

    We're already in the union. The EUROPEAN Union, which are doing a fine job having our back against perfidious Albion :pac:


  • #178
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    Is it because Irish teams are ****e and English teams are far superior?


    The quality is defintiley part of the problem, match day experience etc


  • #179
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    8-10 wrote: »
    Which is worse culturally in terms of turning back on traditions in your opinion, speaking English or supporting a Premier League team?

    It's all apart of the one thing. It's sad.


  • #180
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    limnam wrote: »
    and here you're typing out the queens English instead of hanging around the tg4 forums.


    If you're not part of the solution....

    Maybe I'm speaking American English? Where did I say I was part of the solution?


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  • #181
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Perifect wrote: »
    Maybe I'm speaking American English? Where did I say I was part of the solution?


    I took by "those who" that you're not one of them...


  • #182
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    You might have some credence if you posted that as gaeilge. :p

    It's multi cultural world. There's literally an entire world outside of the comely maidens dancing at the cross roads. And, btw, would the local LOI garrison playing teams be Irish enough for you?

    Irish culture is about dancing at the crossroads and being against foreign sports? :confused: You've just proved my point.


  • #183
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    No you're not. :rolleyes:

    Where did I say I'm a part of the solution?


  • #184
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I don't need a link I live there

    Right...but I'm the one who needs a link because I don't live there. Why do you think I asked for one? For you?


  • #185
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    limnam wrote: »
    I took by "those who" that you're not one of them...

    I don't follow English teams, I think it's important to be proud of our culture and traditions. It's clear here, many look down their nose at our culture and traditions, hence they are active participants in turning Ireland into little England.


  • #186
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Perifect wrote: »
    Irish culture is about dancing at the crossroads and being against foreign sports? :confused: You've just proved my point.

    How have I proved your point - I'm having a tough time trying to see what your point is.

    What Irish culture do you think is in danger and that should be preserved?


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  • #187
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Perifect wrote: »
    I don't follow English teams, I think it's important to be proud of our culture and traditions. It's clear here, many look down their nose at our culture and traditions, hence they are active participants in turning Ireland into little England.


    Seems you're missing the point then....


  • #188
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    How have I proved your point - I'm having a tough time trying to see what your point is.

    What Irish culture do you think is in danger and that should be preserved?

    You look down your nose at Irish culture while embracing English culture.


  • #189
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    limnam wrote: »
    Seems you're missing the point then....

    On the contrary, the point has completely sailed over your head.


  • #190
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Me uncle worked in Manchester in the 70s, or something.


  • #191
    Maurice Yeltsin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 127 ✭✭Maurice Yeltsin


    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    Is it because Irish teams are ****e and English teams are far superior?

    Bury, Oldham, Rochdale and Stockport are comparatively ****e.

    In a county with a population half of that of Ireland and with four giants within spitting distance they get more through the gates than the whole LOI. Four small teams that share a city with two of the biggest teams in the world get more in the gate of any of the big three Dublin clubs. Tens of thousands through the gates at eternal non achievers in the London area (Crystal Palace, Millwall, West Ham, Brentford, Leyton, Southend, Charlton Athletic, Luton, Crawley, AFC Wimbledon, QPR, Fulham) when the easy option would be to fob these off in favour of Chelsea and, to a lesser extent, Spurs and Arsenal.

    It's a cultural problem in this country more than anything. We are event junkies. Kids today wouldn't believe that until 18 or so years ago very few people outside of South east Dublin and Limerick cared for the rugby side.


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  • #192
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Perifect wrote: »
    On the contrary, the point has completely sailed over your head.


    It seems to be sailing over most people's.


    Maybe you can formulate it better.


  • #193
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    8-10 wrote: »
    Right...but I'm the one who needs a link because I don't live there. Why do you think I asked for one? For you?

    Apologies
    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/question-of-religion-as-basis-for-support-still-contentious-1.1655070


  • #194
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Perifect wrote: »
    You look down your nose at Irish culture while embracing English culture.

    Pointing out the deficiencies in LOI football is looking down on Irish culture? :confused:

    Pog mo thoin! :p


  • #195
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Maurice Yeltsin wrote: »
    Bury, Oldham, Rochdale and Stockport are comparatively ****e.

    In a county with a population half of that of Ireland and with four giants within spitting distance they get more through the gates than the whole LOI. Four small teams that share a city with two of the biggest teams in the world get more in the gate of any of the big three Dublin clubs. Tens of thousands through the gates at eternal non achievers in the London area (Crystal Palace, Millwall, West Ham, Brentford, Leyton, Southend, Charlton Athletic, Luton, Crawley, AFC Wimbledon, QPR, Fulham) when the easy option would be to fob these off in favour of Chelsea and, to a lesser extent, Spurs and Arsenal.

    It's a cultural problem in this country more than anything. We are event junkies.

    Leinster and Munster get good attendances though it has to be said. Their average Pro 14 attendance is higher than many established Premiership clubs like Gloucester, Northampton, Bath etc


  • #196
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    8-10 wrote: »
    Leinster and Munster get good attendances though it has to be said. Their average Pro 14 attendance is higher than many established Premiership clubs like Gloucester, Northampton, Bath etc

    The rugger is loike the place to be seen though loike. Instariffic.


  • #197
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    limnam wrote: »
    It seems to be sailing over most people's.


    Maybe you can formulate it better.

    Having to face up to the fact that you're apart of the little England alliance has upset you. You can do something about it!


  • #198
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    The rugger is loike the place to be seen though loike. Instariffic.

    You don't think it's because the teams are good at playing said rugger?


  • #199
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    8-10 wrote: »
    You don't think it's because the teams are good at playing said rugger?

    No, it's barely a sport when you look at the actual skills involved. Most of them haven't a clue what's going on anyway, but that's not why they're there. Prosecco anyone?


  • #200
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    Perifect wrote: »
    Having to face up to the fact that you're apart of the little England alliance has upset you. You can do something about it!


    Doesn't upset me.


    Regular LOI attendee :)


  • #201
    ShadyAcres
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭ShadyAcres


    Born in England to Irish parents, grew up there until adulthood and now living in Ireland half my life.
    Growing up there I supported my local team who have always floated between Div 1 and the championship. I attended most home games and often away games.
    Everybody I knew had two teams, the local team and a premier league team and they still seem to going on Fb posts.
    Nowadays I couldn't give a rats ass about any league. The only football I see is when Ireland play (depressing) and then during the world cup or Euro's where I haven't a clue who a lot of the players are but i'll watch as many games as i can and enjoy it.
    My housemates sit down in their united jerseys and watch every single EPL game on Sky sports and occasionally fly over to matches.
    I can't understand why people are so affected by what other people do. Why work yourself up over it?


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