Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

Dohnjoe · 29-12-2020 1:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not saying the strain isn't real. There has been many different strains detected. I'm saying the timing of the announcement was political.

It was detected at an earlier stage?

29-12-2020 1:24pm

Trigger wrote: »

It is plausible. The figures in the UK exploded somewhat, but what do they have to gain from holding out the announcement?

They previously stated that they would be open for Christmas. It suddenly became clear that they had to lockdown. They're numbers could have exploded simply due to Christmas coming up. I think they tied the lockdown to this new strain rather than going back on their own word. I'm certainly no expert but I don't understand how they can know the new strain is more virulent so quickly. I thought that's something you can determine in hindsight with statistics.

King Mob · 29-12-2020 1:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm certainly no expert but I don't understand how they can know the new strain is more virulent so quickly. I thought that's something you can determine in hindsight with statistics.

So because you can't understand it, it must therefore be a conspiracy.

29-12-2020 1:51pm

King Mob wrote: »

So because you can't understand it, it must therefore be a conspiracy.

Alright relax dude. Its just something that occurred to me. It's not a hill I'm willing to die on.

King Mob · 29-12-2020 1:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Alright relax dude. Its just something that occurred to me. It's not a hill I'm willing to die on.

Why would I not be relaxed?
Just pointing out the central flaw behind your thinking.

Just because you personally don't understand something doesn't mean it has to be a conspiracy.
It could be that you just don't personally understand it.

29-12-2020 2:10pm

King Mob wrote: »

Why would I not be relaxed?
Just pointing out the central flaw behind your thinking.

Just because you personally don't understand something doesn't mean it has to be a conspiracy.
It could be that you just don't personally understand it.

Then tell me, how can we know so soon that a particular strain is more virulent

Dohnjoe · 29-12-2020 2:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Then tell me, how can we know so soon that a particular strain is more virulent

"It was first detected in September. In November around a quarter of cases in London were the new variant. This reached nearly two-thirds of cases in mid-December."

Decent summary of context and details here
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55388846

King Mob · 29-12-2020 3:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Then tell me, how can we know so soon that a particular strain is more virulent

I don't know off hand.
But Dohnjoe has given you a link that answers your question.

Please explain how it can be a conspiracy?

29-12-2020 3:56pm

King Mob wrote: »

I don't know off hand.
But Dohnjoe has given you a link that answers your question.

Please explain how it can be a conspiracy?

I explained my angle twice already

King Mob · 29-12-2020 4:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I explained my angle twice already

Oh. Is that all you had?
Then as I said, you don't really have a very good reason to buy into that conspiracy theory.

ShatterAlan · 05-01-2021 12:56am

This new "strain", this new "variant"

How dangerous is it? When was it identified as opposed to the original covid-19?

King Mob · 05-01-2021 1:00am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

This new "strain", this new "variant"

How dangerous is it? When was it identified as opposed to the original covid-19?

Have you tried finding out this information before starting to believe the explanation might be that it's a conspiracy?

ShatterAlan · 07-01-2021 3:04am

This laughable American "insurrection".

That would be another one.

Not a helicopter in sight. Nothing from the air, unlike the LA riots.

"The violence was qelled" - Pence

What **** that these fools talk.

King Mob · 07-01-2021 3:22am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

This laughable American "insurrection".

That would be another one.

Not a helicopter in sight. Nothing from the air, unlike the LA riots.

"The violence was qelled" - Pence

What **** that these fools talk.

Again more flippant comments without any coherent thoughts or sentences never mind a coherent theory.

Not sure why this counts as a credible theory.

Dohnjoe · 07-01-2021 9:03am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

This laughable American "insurrection".

That would be another one.

Not a helicopter in sight. Nothing from the air, unlike the LA riots.

"The violence was qelled" - Pence

What **** that these fools talk.

A mob, incited by the incumbent, breached the Capitol. Are you suggesting something else happened?

The Nal · 07-01-2021 10:24am

wrong thread

knucklehead6 · 07-01-2021 10:41am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Finally, the air in the shaft, were the cabin to just drop would compress and slow the thing down like the plunger in a bicycle pump.

I haven't bothered with this forum, because usually trying to deal with a conspiracy theorist is an exercise in frustration, but just something about this post from last month made me laugh.

Are you saying that lift shafts (with all those openings where there are floors) are as airtight as a bicycle pump and the compressed air should slow a lift down if it was falling??

ShatterAlan · 08-01-2021 1:04am

knucklehead6 wrote: »

I haven't bothered with this forum, because usually trying to deal with a conspiracy theorist is an exercise in frustration, but just something about this post from last month made me laugh.

Are you saying that lift shafts (with all those openings where there are floors) are as airtight as a bicycle pump and the compressed air should slow a lift down if it was falling??

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those doors on all those floors are CLOSED.

Try push a bicycle pump plunger into an inner tube that is peppered with holes. You will still feel resistance slowing down your efforts. Try doing the same thing when the pump is not connected to anything and it will be a lot easier to push the plunger.

How many lifts have you ever seen ascending and descending where all the doors on every floor is open as the lift cabin passes by?

A lift rising and dropping does so at a constant velocity when ventilators allow for vacuums (during ascent) or compression (during descent} permit balance.

They are not sufficient to evacuate the air from a lift shaft when the cabin is plunging and indeed accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s.

Doors open on each floor! What are you on?

King Mob · 08-01-2021 1:40am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those doors on all those floors are CLOSED.

Try push a bicycle pump plunger into an inner tube that is peppered with holes. You will still feel resistance slowing down your efforts. Try doing the same thing when the pump is not connected to anything and it will be a lot easier to push the plunger.

How many lifts have you ever seen ascending and descending where all the doors on every floor is open as the lift cabin passes by?

A lift rising and dropping does so at a constant velocity when ventilators allow for vacuums (during ascent) or compression (during descent} permit balance.

They are not sufficient to evacuate the air from a lift shaft when the cabin is plunging and indeed accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s.

Doors open on each floor! What are you on?

Unless of course, as you pointed out the building has been hit by a plane.

Also "closed" does not mean airtight.

ShatterAlan · 08-01-2021 2:13am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

A mob, incited by the incumbent, breached the Capitol. Are you suggesting something else happened?

I am.

silliussoddius · 08-01-2021 2:14am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I am.

Does it begin with A, end with A and have a ntif in the niddle?

King Mob · 08-01-2021 2:19am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I am.

And notice how you cannot supply any evidence or reasoning or anything other than vague paranoia to support this claim.

Still not sure what makes this theory any more credible than Qanon or Flat eartherism.

knucklehead6 · 08-01-2021 7:50am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those doors on all those floors are CLOSED.

Try push a bicycle pump plunger into an inner tube that is peppered with holes. You will still feel resistance slowing down your efforts. Try doing the same thing when the pump is not connected to anything and it will be a lot easier to push the plunger.

How many lifts have you ever seen ascending and descending where all the doors on every floor is open as the lift cabin passes by?

A lift rising and dropping does so at a constant velocity when ventilators allow for vacuums (during ascent) or compression (during descent} permit balance.

They are not sufficient to evacuate the air from a lift shaft when the cabin is plunging and indeed accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s.

Doors open on each floor! What are you on?

Wow. Just how many lift shafts have you ever been in?

Dohnjoe · 08-01-2021 10:16am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I am.

Okay, so what alternatively happened?

Hoop66 · 09-01-2021 11:05am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those doors on all those floors are CLOSED.

Try push a bicycle pump plunger into an inner tube that is peppered with holes. You will still feel resistance slowing down your efforts. Try doing the same thing when the pump is not connected to anything and it will be a lot easier to push the plunger.

How many lifts have you ever seen ascending and descending where all the doors on every floor is open as the lift cabin passes by?

A lift rising and dropping does so at a constant velocity when ventilators allow for vacuums (during ascent) or compression (during descent} permit balance.

They are not sufficient to evacuate the air from a lift shaft when the cabin is plunging and indeed accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s.

Doors open on each floor! What are you on?

You seem to think that a lift fits very snuggly in its lift shaft and that there could be no room on the sides of the lift where air could pass by.

That is not how a lift works. Your theory is not based in the real world.

The Nal · 09-01-2021 11:07am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those doors on all those floors are CLOSED.

Try push a bicycle pump plunger into an inner tube that is peppered with holes. You will still feel resistance slowing down your efforts. Try doing the same thing when the pump is not connected to anything and it will be a lot easier to push the plunger.

How many lifts have you ever seen ascending and descending where all the doors on every floor is open as the lift cabin passes by?

A lift rising and dropping does so at a constant velocity when ventilators allow for vacuums (during ascent) or compression (during descent} permit balance.

They are not sufficient to evacuate the air from a lift shaft when the cabin is plunging and indeed accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s.

Doors open on each floor! What are you on?

Dear oh dear

King Mob · 09-01-2021 11:33am

The Nal wrote: »

Dear oh dear

What's great is that he already agreed all of that is moot since as he pointed out the one example of a lift falling in it's shaft occurred when a building was hit by a plane.

sydthebeat · 09-01-2021 11:46am

Am I reading this right.

Does someone think a lift works in a vacuum?

I mean, the mechanical specifications are EXTREMELY easy to find on line

Dohnjoe · 09-01-2021 12:19pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Am I reading this right.

Does someone think a lift works in a vacuum?

I mean, the mechanical specifications are EXTREMELY easy to find on line

It originates from the same poster who hasn't furnished a single conspiracy theory they've suggested, decided that the facts are wrong because they don't believe them, dodged countless questions, and refers to posters here as "shills", so good luck getting a rational response there

sydthebeat · 09-01-2021 12:21pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It originates from the same poster who hasn't furnished a single conspiracy theory they've suggested, decided that the facts are wrong because they don't believe them, dodged countless questions, and refers to posters here as "shills", so good luck getting a rational response there

I don't ever expect a rational response in this thread.

Isnt that it's actual raison d'etre??

King Mob · 09-01-2021 12:38pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

I don't ever expect a rational response in this thread.

Isnt that it's actual raison d'etre??

Basically I suppose.

Question: "Are there any credible conspiracy theories?"
Answer: "No, you get stuff like this."

ShatterAlan · 12-01-2021 12:11am

sydthebeat wrote: »

Am I reading this right.

Does someone think a lift works in a vacuum?

I mean, the mechanical specifications are EXTREMELY easy to find on line

Lifts DON'T work in a vacuum.

Why would you ask such a question? And who suggested such?

Lifts have multiple safety measures. They do not just slam 100 floors down and sound like and explosion.

King Mob · 12-01-2021 12:44am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Lifts have multiple safety measures. They do not just slam 100 floors down and sound like and explosion.

But they do.
Like you said, there was an example of this when a plane hit the Empire State Building.
Unless you subscribe to the holographic plane conspiracy theory, planes hit the twin towers.

Therefore, lifts can fall and sound like explosions.
This was one of many explanations you were offered and ignored.

Dohnjoe · 12-01-2021 1:43am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Lifts have multiple safety measures. They do not just slam 100 floors down and sound like and explosion.

Jesus christ

"“I saw a couple of elevators in free fall; you could hear them whizzing down and as they crashed, there was this huge explosion, like a fireball exploding out of the bank of elevators,” Kravette said. “People were engulfed in flames."

"Firefighter Peter Fallucca: Before we got in, all the elevators were crashed down in the lobby, and we were going to the stairwell. See all the elevators were crashed down, big slabs of marble on the floor, all the ceiling tiles of the dropped ceiling was falling down, wires hanging. You see wires and stuff hanging inside the elevator shafts, because the doors were blown right off the elevators."

"Firefighter John Moribito: I noticed that some of the elevators had been blown out of their shafts. They came down and crashed out of the shaft. They were buckled, and I had noticed that there were people still in the elevators. I believe that they were at that point deceased. Then I saw the lights in both buildings went out, and I heard the rumble. At that point, I didn’t know what was happening, but 2 World Trade Center was collapsing."

"At the end of this elevator lobby, there was – it just looked to me like something had exploded. I don’t remember how I heard it or who said it, but someone said I think it was an elevator – when the plane hit, it severed the elevator cable and it came all the way down and crashed"

https://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethesouthtower%3Aeyewitnessaccounts

Some elevators hit the ground, on other elevators the emergency brakes worked, other's seemed to come out of their shafts entirely.

Back to the original point, there were a lot of other secondary explosions and what sounded like explosions during and after the plane impacts.

partyguinness · 12-01-2021 11:29am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those doors on all those floors are CLOSED.

Try push a bicycle pump plunger into an inner tube that is peppered with holes. You will still feel resistance slowing down your efforts. Try doing the same thing when the pump is not connected to anything and it will be a lot easier to push the plunger.

How many lifts have you ever seen ascending and descending where all the doors on every floor is open as the lift cabin passes by?

A lift rising and dropping does so at a constant velocity when ventilators allow for vacuums (during ascent) or compression (during descent} permit balance.

They are not sufficient to evacuate the air from a lift shaft when the cabin is plunging and indeed accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s.

Doors open on each floor! What are you on?

There is a glaring fundamental flaw with your 'theory'- elevators/lifts do not and never have operated in a sealed vacuum. Elevator shafts are not a sealed environment.

Lifts move by mechanical means- not by regulating the pressure of the atmosphere.

ohnonotgmail · 12-01-2021 11:58am

partyguinness wrote: »

There is a glaring fundamental flaw with your 'theory'- elevators/lifts do not and never have operated in a sealed vacuum. Elevator shafts are not a sealed environment.

Lifts move by mechanical means- not by regulating the pressure of the atmosphere.

while there are vacuum elevators they are generally single person use only and look like the picture below. The vast of majority of elevators are mechanical as you say.

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ShatterAlan · 12-01-2021 11:10pm

partyguinness wrote: »

There is a glaring fundamental flaw with your 'theory'- elevators/lifts do not and never have operated in a sealed vacuum. Elevator shafts are not a sealed environment.

Lifts move by mechanical means- not by regulating the pressure of the atmosphere.

I didn't say they moved in a vacuum. How would they ascend in an evacuated chamber?

ShatterAlan · 12-01-2021 11:15pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Jesus christ

https://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethesouthtower%3Aeyewitnessaccounts

Some elevators hit the ground, on other elevators the emergency brakes worked, other's seemed to come out of their shafts entirely.

Back to the original point, there were a lot of other secondary explosions and what sounded like explosions during and after the plane impacts.

So according to Firefighter Pete Morbito...."all the elevators" fell. All had their cables severed, the brake shoes failed AND the emergency safety governors also failed and they all plunged down. Correct?

ohnonotgmail · 12-01-2021 11:16pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It originates from the same poster who hasn't furnished a single conspiracy theory they've suggested, decided that the facts are wrong because they don't believe them, dodged countless questions, and refers to posters here as "shills", so good luck getting a rational response there

you are still talking absolute nonsense. lifts in a lift shaft are in no way airtight.

ShatterAlan · 12-01-2021 11:44pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It originates from the same poster who hasn't furnished a single conspiracy theory they've suggested, decided that the facts are wrong because they don't believe them, dodged countless questions, and refers to posters here as "shills", so good luck getting a rational response there

Now you're putting words into my mouth and reaching out to others for support.

You said that I decided that "the facts" were wrong because I don't believe them.

You're the one who talks about "facts" and that they aren't to be questioned or disputed or doubted.

Just because YOU say something is a fact and is indisputable or undeniable or unquestionable, doesn't make it a fact, I'm sorry to inform you.

You could state "as fact" that a rotund, bearded man in a red and white outfit can fly across the sky, his mode of conveyance, a team of equally gifted mammals. He then pauses to to lower himself down a chimney shaft, leave bags of gifts, consume a slice of cake and then make haste and repeat the procedure hundreds of millions of time in a couple of hours.

You could state this as a fact. I still wouldn't believe a word of it but your argument is that because I don't believe your "fact" then somehow I am to be held with suspicion.

King Mob · 12-01-2021 11:53pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

So according to Firefighter Pete Morbito...."all the elevators" fell. All had their cables severed, the brake shoes failed AND the emergency safety governors also failed and they all plunged down. Correct?

Maybe the plane crashes might have had something to do with this?

ShatterAlan · 12-01-2021 11:59pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are still talking absolute nonsense. lifts in a lift shaft are in no way airtight.

Are you referring to me or to DJ?

Dohnjoe · 13-01-2021 2:00am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Now you're putting words into my mouth and reaching out to others for support.

You said that I decided that "the facts" were wrong because I don't believe them.

You're the one who talks about "facts" and that they aren't to be questioned or disputed or doubted.

Just because YOU say something is a fact and is indisputable or undeniable or unquestionable, doesn't make it a fact, I'm sorry to inform you.

Whataboutery

You claim passports didn't survive the impacts based on one thing, that you "cant believe it". This is directly contradicted by the physical evidence that they did survive, something you haven't disputed

Likewise, elevators created secondary explosions and sounds like explosions. Truthers claim these other reports of explosions were actually "controlled demolitions" going off at the event. You've decided that didn't happened because, again, you "can't believe it". Witnesses to the event contradict your incredulity.

You've made no attempt to explain otherwise and you've labelled posters who disagree with you as "shills".

ShatterAlan · 13-01-2021 11:57am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Whataboutery

You claim passports didn't survive the impacts based on one thing, that you "cant believe it". This is directly contradicted by the physical evidence that they did survive, something you haven't disputed

Likewise, elevators created secondary explosions and sounds like explosions. Truthers claim these other reports of explosions were actually "controlled demolitions" going off at the event. You've decided that didn't happened because, again, you "can't believe it". Witnesses to the event contradict your incredulity.

You've made no attempt to explain otherwise and you've labelled posters who disagree with you as "shills".

I don't believe that a passport can survive a fireball. You believe it can. That's where we differ. And your belief is cemented by the report that a passport was found in the street before the towers came down.

That's very similar to stamping your feet and insisting that Jesus existed and miracles can happen because the Shroud of Turin as there as plain as day for all to see. It's all the evidence that's needed.

Dohnjoe · 13-01-2021 12:00pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't believe that a passport can survive a fireball. You believe it can. That's where we differ. And your belief is cemented by the report that a passport was found in the street before the towers came down.

Incorrect.

For the umpteenth time it's not your belief vs someone else's belief. It's your belief vs fact.

Your belief: you can't believe a passport survived a fireball
Fact: The passport did survive the fireball, as evidenced by the fact that it physically exists. You can't explain this.

knucklehead6 · 13-01-2021 12:02pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I didn't say they moved in a vacuum. How would they ascend in an evacuated chamber?

so lifts don't move in a vacuum, yet somehow the air in a lift shaft would stop a lift from falling to the ground as it gets compressed by the falling lift????

ShatterAlan · 13-01-2021 12:50pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Incorrect.

For the umpteenth time it's not your belief vs someone else's belief. It's your belief vs fact.

Your belief: you can't believe a passport survived a fireball
Fact: The passport did survive the fireball, as evidenced by the fact that it physically exists. You can't explain this.

And as has been explained to you umpteen times using the "suicide" victim analogy

My belief: I can't believe that the victim took his own life by shooting himself 3 times in the back of the head.

Fact: He did just that as evidenced by the fact that his body is lying right there in the street.

The Shroud of Turin exists ergo Jesus's image magically transfixed itself onto the fabric. That's the logic you're going by.

Dohnjoe · 13-01-2021 1:01pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

And as has been explained to you umpteen times using the "suicide" victim analogy

My belief: I can't believe that the victim took his own life by shooting himself 3 times in the back of the head.

Fact: He did just that as evidenced by the fact that his body is lying right there in the street.

Another silly analogy demonstrating you still don't understand any of this.

After the airliners struck the buildings, perishable items belonging to people on those flights were recovered. Meaning those items survived the impacts.

You've never explained how these items survived, you've never provided a plausible counter-explanation, all you've done is engage in incredulity "I can't believe it", which isn't an argument against it.

King Mob · 13-01-2021 2:55pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Another silly analogy demonstrating you still don't understand any of this.

After the airliners struck the buildings, perishable items belonging to people on those flights were recovered. Meaning those items survived the impacts.

You've never explained how these items survived, you've never provided a plausible counter-explanation, all you've done is engage in incredulity "I can't believe it", which isn't an argument against it.

It's not only that he hasn't been able to provide a counter example, it's that he's actively gone out of his way to pretend that point has even been brought up.
He has not once acknowledged the other items existing.

He knows they exist. He knows they can and did survive the plane crashes.
But if he acknowledges them, then it's an issue for the conspiracy theory that might cause doubt in the believe. This is of course not allowed.

Overheal · 16-01-2021 12:52am

Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

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