COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

iguana · 23-10-2020 2:08pm

My hope, and I believe it's how it should go. Is that this lockdown should get numbers down, though school closures may be necessary, and it could (probably will) take longer than 6 weeks. Then as we start to open up again, it should hopefully be in conjunction with a vaccine roll out. By January/February we should be in the same place we were in, July with a majority of businesses/society able to open. That would give a few months before the virus numbers start to rise to dangerous levels again. In those months though, enough people should have the vaccine that the same danger to the health service isn't there. That way we won't have to shut anything down again. Masks will probably still be recommended indoors for a while. But at some point in late spring/early summer something very close to normality should be back. Complete freedom of travel and mass gatherings may take a little longer. That will depend on vaccine efficacy and how fast everyone can get it and any possibly necessary booster.

ShineOn7 · 23-10-2020 2:11pm

iguana wrote: »

My hope, and I believe it's how it should go. Is that this lockdown should get numbers down, though school closures may be necessary, and it could (probably will) take longer than 6 weeks. Then as we start to open up again, it should hopefully be in conjunction with a vaccine roll out. By January/February we should be in the same place we were in, July with a majority of businesses/society able to open. That would give a few months before the virus numbers start to rise to dangerous levels again. In those months though, enough people should have the vaccine that the same danger to the health service isn't there. That way we won't have to shut anything down again. Masks will probably still be recommended indoors for a while. But at some point in late spring/early summer something very close to normality should be back. Complete freedom of travel and mass gatherings may take a little longer. That will depend on vaccine efficacy and how fast everyone can get it and any possibly necessary booster.

That's actually a very realistic outlook

I just really hope our "government"/HSE don't fúck up the rollout

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 2:13pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's actually a very realistic outlook

I just really hope our "government"/HSE don't fúck up the rollout

They seem to fúck up everything else, so why not this?

FintanMcluskey · 23-10-2020 2:13pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I hope the Oxford vaccine helps when it comes out. But when do people see normal back again? We're almost at the end of 2020, soon into 2021 and I still don't see any normal for 2021 yet. Maybe the end of next year but is that too optimistic at this stage?

Well unless the vaccine prevents severe symptoms and death in those age 80+, and lowers the transmission rate significantly, normal socialising won’t return under the metrics that it currently has been suspended under. IMO of course

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 2:13pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Nonsense

2025 would like a word with your statement

My opinion is that, like all other pandemics, our life style and habits will be modified by what is happening/has happened, so the new normal will include a new set of habits that won't be what it is now.
It happened before, it will happen again.

In 5 years for now, we'll be so used to social distancing, masks, hand sanitizers, and other weird things, that we won't even remember what it was before.
I think that not hand-shaking, looking at others like sick potential sick people, etc, will become intrinsic to our new way of living.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 2:20pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

My opinion is that, like all other pandemics, our life style and habits will be modified by what is happening/has happened, so the new normal will include a new set of habits that won't be what it is now.
It happened before, it will happen again.

In 5 years for now, we'll be so used to social distancing, masks, hand sanitizers, and other weird things, that we won't even remember what it was before.
I think that not hand-shaking, looking at others like sick potential sick people, etc, will become intrinsic to our new way of living.

People recover fast.
We'll all be hugging and kissing and shaking hands again before you know it.

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 2:24pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

People recover fast.
We'll all be hugging and kissing and shaking hands again before you know it.

You might. I'm staying away from that shíte. It's absolutely disgusting shaking hands when people are constantly touching their mouth and nose.

Gael23 · 23-10-2020 2:28pm

I think the government will want to allow retail open for Christmas. Public opinion will turn strongly against them otherwise

JDD · 23-10-2020 2:28pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

People recover fast.
We'll all be hugging and kissing and shaking hands again before you know it.

I agree.

I think the permanent changes that might come from this pandemic is that more people will work from home, and you might be more likely to step away from a coughing or sneezing person in the shops or on a bus. That's it.

We had the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago. They had masks then. I don't see that that particular outbreak (which was way more deadly than this one) stopped people from hugging or shaking hands or gathering in large numbers.

The only permanent change from the plague is our fear of rats. And that was a 200 year long outbreak.

Everyone said people would stop flying after 9/11. And then Ryanair started. People forget quickly.

People want to go back to normal, and therefore they will.

tayto lover · 23-10-2020 2:29pm

micks_address wrote: »

you'd have thought someone might have ran down the list of ingredients and thought hmm maybe this isn't suitable or at least used it themselves first... local primary had been using it and its taken paint off doors and discolored floors... any of the staff that have used they have their skin peeling off their hands.. most knew it was rank and brought their own in...day one they said it was awful smell etc but no one cared. its a hugely disappointing thing to let happen... telling everyone that kids are safe in school while poisoning them with dept sourced hand sanitizer.. im sure there will be lawsuits over it and quite rightly so

They took the product as advertised.
The problem was created by the manufacturers, not them.

If I bought a body spray how am I to know that the wrong ingredients are in it until I use it?

marno21 · 23-10-2020 2:29pm

iguana wrote: »

My hope, and I believe it's how it should go. Is that this lockdown should get numbers down, though school closures may be necessary, and it could (probably will) take longer than 6 weeks. Then as we start to open up again, it should hopefully be in conjunction with a vaccine roll out. By January/February we should be in the same place we were in, July with a majority of businesses/society able to open. That would give a few months before the virus numbers start to rise to dangerous levels again. In those months though, enough people should have the vaccine that the same danger to the health service isn't there. That way we won't have to shut anything down again. Masks will probably still be recommended indoors for a while. But at some point in late spring/early summer something very close to normality should be back. Complete freedom of travel and mass gatherings may take a little longer. That will depend on vaccine efficacy and how fast everyone can get it and any possibly necessary booster.

Pity they don’t have iguana on the radio rather than the merchants of doom.

We will be back to normal before long. Look at how fast the vaccines have been coming along and Germany are starting a rollout in less than 2 months time.

I have been reading Fareed Zakaria’s new book recently and one line from it echoed your sentiments: “The pace of progress so far with regards to vaccines has surprised even optimists”.

This will be over before we know it. But until then it will be difficult but the light at the end of the tunnel will make it easier.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 2:30pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You might. I'm staying away from that shíte. It's absolutely disgusting shaking hands when people are constantly touching their mouth and nose.

Do you think there are many people as opposed to it as yourself in general?

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 2:36pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

Do you think there are many people as opposed to it as yourself in general?

Seeing people's behaviour during this pandemic, I might be the only one!

JDD · 23-10-2020 2:37pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You might. I'm staying away from that shíte. It's absolutely disgusting shaking hands when people are constantly touching their mouth and nose.

You're not wrong, but habits are hard to break. Sh*t, I still have my hand half the way out when I meet someone new, before remembering no hand shakes.

After the (presumed) vaccine, I don't think I could stop myself if someone else held their hand out first. My hand would go into autopilot.

I probably will carry around more (ethanol free) sanitiser. Whether I remember to use it or not will be another story.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 2:37pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Seeing people's behaviour during this pandemic, I might be the only one!

True that.

stephenjmcd · 23-10-2020 2:38pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

There will be no normal again, there will be a new normal and we will adapt to it. Those who are very young kids now will grow up in this new norm and they won't care. For those who are older (or much older) it might be harder to adjust to a different life style.

All pandemics have led to a new normal. Most of us aren't old enough to remember what life was before the last pandemics. Most of us know this "normal", which is different to what was the "normal" before that.

Do you actually believe any of the nonsense you've just typed.

No normal? Ok so let me put it to you like this, there won't be large sporting events, festivals, travel etc no ? You honestly think none of that is coming back, people not being social with other people? People meeting others and settling down to build a family?

If you believe any of that is gone for good I fear for you.

New normal after other pandemics... you know nothing changed after other pandemics and life went back to exactly how it was. You can read up on them if you don't believe me.

So what's your version of the future world ??

The only things that'll hang around from this is increased hand hygiene and WFH. The rest goes back to how it was, a vaccine signals a slow return to normal, don't forget all of this is to keep the health services from being over run thats all

Strumms · 23-10-2020 2:40pm

Gael23 wrote: »

I think the government will want to allow retail open for Christmas. Public opinion will turn strongly against them otherwise

I don’t think so at all...

“Yeah I can’t wait until I can spend hours trawling through packed and sweaty shops for hours at a time” is NOT something you are going to hear.

Shopping will be done in the main early as in from around now and online.

Older people without the ability or access to go online will avail of help as in younger family, neighbors... I’ll be doing all my parents Xmas shopping online.

They aren’t a fan as they are old school and like to ‘see what they are buying’ but it’s for one year and the alternative is grim.

The business community will no doubt kick off but we’ve seen what a bunch of selfish and disingenuous fûckers many of them are... couldn’t care less about covid stats, only spreadsheet stats. Fûck em.

dalyboy · 23-10-2020 2:41pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Seeing people's behaviour during this pandemic, I might be the only one!

Howard Hughes ?

Gael23 · 23-10-2020 2:45pm

Strumms wrote: »

I don’t think so at all...

“Yeah I can’t wait until I can spend hours trawling through packed and sweaty shops for hours at a time” is NOT something you are going to hear.

Shopping will be done in the main early as in from around now and online.

Older people without the ability or access to go online will avail of help as in younger family, neighbors... I’ll be doing all my parents Xmas shopping online.

They aren’t a fan as they are old school and like to ‘see what they are buying’ but it’s for one year and the alternative is grim.

The business community will no doubt kick off but we’ve seen what a bunch of selfish and disingenuous fûckers many of them are... couldn’t care less about covid stats, only spreadsheet stats. Fûck em.

Fair point, but the smaller businesses being hit hardest by this don’t have online shopping so they will go under without the Christmas bonanza

Deeper Blue · 23-10-2020 2:47pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

There will be no normal again, there will be a new normal and we will adapt to it. Those who are very young kids now will grow up in this new norm and they won't care. For those who are older (or much older) it might be harder to adjust to a different life style.

All pandemics have led to a new normal. Most of us aren't old enough to remember what life was before the last pandemics. Most of us know this "normal", which is different to what was the "normal" before that.

Do you have any examples of this? I'm not sure this is the case

JDD · 23-10-2020 2:49pm

Strumms wrote: »

I don’t think so at all...

“Yeah I can’t wait until I can spend hours trawling through packed and sweaty shops for hours at a time” is NOT something you are going to hear.

Shopping will be done in the main early as in from around now and online.

Older people without the ability or access to go online will avail of help as in younger family, neighbors... I’ll be doing all my parents Xmas shopping online.

They aren’t a fan as they are old school and like to ‘see what they are buying’ but it’s for one year and the alternative is grim.

It'll be the retail industry, and the Department for Finance, that will put the government under pressure to open retail, not customers themselves. Even if the shops do reduced business, it'll mean that the pandemic payment won't need to be paid over those three December weeks and into January.

Same financial reason to open cafes and restaurants. Plus the fact that the government will understand that people will want to meet friends over Christmas and if they don't open cafes and restaurants people will meet up in houses, restrictions or not. People may be willing to buy in for these six weeks (and even that is doubtful) but there'll be a lot less compliance if the restrictions are extended into December. They've been very clear that this lockdown is only for 6 weeks.

What ordinary people will be clamoring for is an increase in the number of people allowed in your house rather than shops opening. I can't see the government resisting that, because a large proportion of people will end up doing it anyway, restrictions or not, at least on Christmas Day. And those that do keep to the rules will be raging when seeing that others aren't. It'll be a nightmare for them unless they relax the visiting rules for at least the two weeks around Christmas.

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 2:50pm

JDD wrote: »

I probably will carry around more (ethanol free) sanitiser. Whether I remember to use it or not will be another story.

You mean methanol free?

JDD · 23-10-2020 2:51pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

You mean methanol free?

:pac: Yes

stephenjmcd · 23-10-2020 2:51pm

El Sueño wrote: »

Do you have any examples of this? I'm not sure this is the case

Of course he doesn't. Its widely available to read up on regarding Spanish flu for example

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 2:58pm

El Sueño wrote: »

Do you have any examples of this? I'm not sure this is the case

New hygien rules after every pandemic, for example.
I had read that until the most recent cholera pandemic a few years back, it wasn't customary to wash hands as soon as arrived home from outodoors, or wash hands before eating.

This current pandemic will have us not hand shaking, carrying hand sanitizers or wearing masks more often than before, just like most Japanese do as a regular habit.

BTW, this is the first time in my life that I could walk into a bank or a post office with a mask on my face while the staff is happy to see me. I am quite sure that even when everything is fine again (one year, five years from now, who knows) nobody will object if one walks into a bank with a mask. Who will have the courage to ask you to remove it?

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 2:59pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Of course he doesn't.

Why are you so sure to say this?

polesheep · 23-10-2020 3:01pm

Strumms wrote: »

I don’t think so at all...

“Yeah I can’t wait until I can spend hours trawling through packed and sweaty shops for hours at a time” is NOT something you are going to hear.

Shopping will be done in the main early as in from around now and online.

Older people without the ability or access to go online will avail of help as in younger family, neighbors... I’ll be doing all my parents Xmas shopping online.

They aren’t a fan as they are old school and like to ‘see what they are buying’ but it’s for one year and the alternative is grim.

The business community will no doubt kick off but we’ve seen what a bunch of selfish and disingenuous fûckers many of them are... couldn’t care less about covid stats, only spreadsheet stats. Fûck em.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, fu9k 'em. And fu9k all the jobs they provide and all the money they pay in taxes. Fu9k 'em all.

stephenjmcd · 23-10-2020 3:02pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

Why are you so sure to say this?

Please give an example of how a pandemic changed the social fabric of society then please seeing as you've said there's no return to normal in a previous post which I addressed.

My reference is Spanish flu, life returned to normal

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 3:03pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Do you actually believe any of the nonsense you've just typed.

No normal? Ok so let me put it to you like this, there won't be large sporting events, festivals, travel etc no ? You honestly think none of that is coming back, people not being social with other people? People meeting others and settling down to build a family?

There's something in the middle between no sports events and no travel at all and all back to what it was. There might be new rules to attend events, there might be new way to travel, i.e. not packing trains and airplanes with people.
It's not white or black.

Other pandemics have changed some things that were for granted before them, and you, too, can read up something about this.

polesheep · 23-10-2020 3:03pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

New hygien rules after every pandemic, for example.
I had read that until the most recent cholera pandemic a few years back, it wasn't customary to wash hands as soon as arrived home from outodoors, or wash hands before eating.

This current pandemic will have us not hand shaking, carrying hand sanitizers or wearing masks more often than before, just like most Japanese do as a regular habit.

BTW, this is the first time in my life that I could walk into a bank or a post office with a mask on my face while the staff is happy to see me. I am quite sure that even when everything is fine again (one year, five years from now, who knows) nobody will object if one walks into a bank with a mask. Who will have the courage to ask you to remove it?

It still isn't.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 3:04pm

This thread has gone from one of the most informative threads on boards to sh1t

I apologize for my part in dragging it off topic.

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 3:05pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Please give an example of how a pandemic changed the social fabric of society then please seeing as you've said there's no return to normal in a previous post which I addressed.

I didn't mention social fabric, I said life style.

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 3:05pm

polesheep wrote: »

It still isn't.

It depends on where one lives

stephenjmcd · 23-10-2020 3:06pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

There's something in the middle between no sports events and no travel at all and all back to what it was. There might be new rules to attend events, there might be new way to travel, i.e. not packing trains and airplanes with people.
It's not white or black.

Other pandemics have changed some things that were for granted before them, and you, too, can read up something about this.

Great so you admit then things get back to normal.

If your going to say some things changed then please reference what has changed.

Anyway this thread is vaccine related so we're derailing it here

Deeper Blue · 23-10-2020 3:06pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

New hygien rules after every pandemic, for example.
I had read that until the most recent cholera pandemic a few years back, it wasn't customary to wash hands as soon as arrived home from outodoors, or wash hands before eating.

This current pandemic will have us not hand shaking, carrying hand sanitizers or wearing masks more often than before, just like most Japanese do as a regular habit.

BTW, this is the first time in my life that I could walk into a bank or a post office with a mask on my face while the staff is happy to see me. I am quite sure that even when everything is fine again (one year, five years from now, who knows) nobody will object if one walks into a bank with a mask. Who will have the courage to ask you to remove it?

Ah ok well the part in bold I could see being the case to a certain extent, I thought you meant no more mass gatherings or something extreme like that

Edit: I thought this was the main thread, apologies for the non vaccine talk

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 3:09pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Great so you admit then things get back to normal.

If your going to say some things changed then please reference what has changed.
Anyway this thread is vaccine related so we're derailing it here

I would like to reply, but you're so right, the subject have derailed, I just replied (post #3998) to a slightly off-topic post and things have gone worse, my apologies.

VG31 · 23-10-2020 3:09pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

This current pandemic will have us not hand shaking, carrying hand sanitizers or wearing masks more often than before, just like most Japanese do as a regular habit.

Asian people wear masks mostly because of the air pollution, not because of viruses.

I don't believe mask wearing remaining long-term would be positive at all. Being able to see people's faces and expressions is important in our society.

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 3:12pm

VG31 wrote: »

Asian people wear masks mostly because of the air pollution, not because of viruses.

Asian people visiting a nice quiet village in Europe and wearing mask aren't protecting themselves from the pollution.
Have you ever seen them in the airports, or during a sightseeing tour of a city?
They say it's out of respect for others, in order not to pass any kind of disease.

I won't write anything off-topic, I promise :P

JDD · 23-10-2020 3:12pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

This thread has gone from one of the most informative threads on boards to sh1t
I apologize for my part in dragging it off topic.

Ha! Me too, back to vaccine news.

Micky 32 · 23-10-2020 4:13pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

There will be no normal again, there will be a new normal and we will adapt to it. Those who are very young kids now will grow up in this new norm and they won't care. For those who are older (or much older) it might be harder to adjust to a different life style.

All pandemics have led to a new normal. Most of us aren't old enough to remember what life was before the last pandemics. Most of us know this "normal", which is different to what was the "normal" before that.

I just nominated this post forward to BS of the year post.

Gael23 · 23-10-2020 4:18pm

NVRL to close for the next 2 weekends due to staffing issues

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 4:29pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

I just nominated this post forward to BS of the year post.

If this suits you, you're welcome.

You could read some article from post pandemics and epidemics.
If you don't want to read too old stories, the last cholera about 45 years ago left us a different life style, and nobody can deny that.
Anyway this subject is off-topic.

Micky 32 · 23-10-2020 5:08pm

Of course. Indeed you are correct, my bad. The spanish flu certainly changed things, the roaring 20’s ..;)

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 7:09pm

Take it with a pinch of salt but Trump said last night we'd have a vaccine 'within weeks'

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 8:43pm

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1319725599385149440?s=21

mandrake04 · 23-10-2020 9:32pm

VG31 wrote: »

Asian people wear masks mostly because of the air pollution, not because of viruses.

Also for hay fever, especially in Japan.

Gael23 · 23-10-2020 9:37pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1319725599385149440?s=21

What is the effect of this?

Sconsey · 23-10-2020 10:06pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/afp/status/1319725599385149440?s=21

The AZ news is not surprising, I think they had been hinting at it. But the J&J one is really good news, they had been very quiet about details on their pause. Looks like someone in the trials had a stroke.

hmmm · 23-10-2020 10:19pm

Sconsey wrote: »

The AZ news is not surprising, I think they had been hinting at it. But the J&J one is really good news, they had been very quiet about details on their pause. Looks like someone in the trials had a stroke.

Great news x2. We don't know whether vaccines themselves will solve this on their own, or more likely they will be a part of the answer, but either way having a vaccine is going to mean things are improving.

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1319746785846480897

ACitizenErased · 24-10-2020 12:11am

Fantastic news about J&J today. The participant had a stroke which was not linked to the vaccine itself.

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