COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

ShineOn7 · 23-10-2020 1:42pm

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We can only hope that the HSE & Dept of Health have some sort of plan

micks_address · 23-10-2020 1:45pm

tayto lover wrote: »

In fairness it’s hardly their fault if the manufacturers put Methylene into their product instead of Ethylene.
Just to be fair minded about it.

you'd have thought someone might have ran down the list of ingredients and thought hmm maybe this isn't suitable or at least used it themselves first... local primary had been using it and its taken paint off doors and discolored floors... any of the staff that have used they have their skin peeling off their hands.. most knew it was rank and brought their own in...day one they said it was awful smell etc but no one cared. its a hugely disappointing thing to let happen... telling everyone that kids are safe in school while poisoning them with dept sourced hand sanitizer.. im sure there will be lawsuits over it and quite rightly so

ShineOn7 · 23-10-2020 1:50pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I hope the Oxford vaccine helps when it comes out. But when do people see normal back again? We're almost at the end of 2020, soon into 2021 and I still don't see any normal for 2021 yet. Maybe the end of next year but is that too optimistic at this stage?

Depends on what you accept as "normal" again I think

There'll be no magical day when everyone says "it's over!", more so a (very) slow fade back to things somewhat "normal"

Sconsey · 23-10-2020 1:54pm

micks_address wrote: »

you'd have thought someone might have ran down the list of ingredients and thought hmm maybe this isn't suitable or at least used it themselves first... local primary had been using it and its taken paint off doors and discolored floors... any of the staff that have used they have their skin peeling off their hands.. most knew it was rank and brought their own in...day one they said it was awful smell etc but no one cared. its a hugely disappointing thing to let happen... telling everyone that kids are safe in school while poisoning them with dept sourced hand sanitizer.. im sure there will be lawsuits over it and quite rightly so

Jesus would ya listen to yourself, it's a faulty product, there is now a product recall out for it. Maybe you should be having a go at the company that made a balls of it instead of blaming the government.

Gael23 · 23-10-2020 1:55pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Depends on what you accept as "normal" again I think

There'll be no magical day when everyone says "it's over!", more so a (very) slow fade back to things somewhat "normal"

Life before March would be my definition

ShineOn7 · 23-10-2020 2:00pm

Gael23 wrote: »

Life before March would be my definition

Same here

But I don't realistically see that till at least 2023

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 2:00pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Depends on what you accept as "normal" again I think

There'll be no magical day when everyone says "it's over!", more so a (very) slow fade back to things somewhat "normal"

There will be no normal again, there will be a new normal and we will adapt to it. Those who are very young kids now will grow up in this new norm and they won't care. For those who are older (or much older) it might be harder to adjust to a different life style.

All pandemics have led to a new normal. Most of us aren't old enough to remember what life was before the last pandemics. Most of us know this "normal", which is different to what was the "normal" before that.

micks_address · 23-10-2020 2:00pm

Sconsey wrote: »

Jesus would ya listen to yourself, it's a faulty product, there is now a product recall out for it. Maybe you should be having a go at the company that made a balls of it instead of blaming the government.

If it was a product on the shelf that people chose to buy and it had to be recalled then fair enough..if it's a product you are mass supplying to schools and forcing kids and teachers to use then you better make sure it's at least safe

ShineOn7 · 23-10-2020 2:03pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

There will be no normal again

Nonsense

2025 would like a word with your statement

landofthetree · 23-10-2020 2:06pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Germany preparing to roll out Pfizer then.

You can be dam sure these vaccination centres will be unbelievable well set up and run. Everyone could learn something from the Germans organisation.

We can only hope that the HSE & Dept of Health have some sort of plan

They will let a private companies run them as well if their hospital system is anything to go by.

We should be putting out the tenders now.

iguana · 23-10-2020 2:08pm

My hope, and I believe it's how it should go. Is that this lockdown should get numbers down, though school closures may be necessary, and it could (probably will) take longer than 6 weeks. Then as we start to open up again, it should hopefully be in conjunction with a vaccine roll out. By January/February we should be in the same place we were in, July with a majority of businesses/society able to open. That would give a few months before the virus numbers start to rise to dangerous levels again. In those months though, enough people should have the vaccine that the same danger to the health service isn't there. That way we won't have to shut anything down again. Masks will probably still be recommended indoors for a while. But at some point in late spring/early summer something very close to normality should be back. Complete freedom of travel and mass gatherings may take a little longer. That will depend on vaccine efficacy and how fast everyone can get it and any possibly necessary booster.

ShineOn7 · 23-10-2020 2:11pm

iguana wrote: »

My hope, and I believe it's how it should go. Is that this lockdown should get numbers down, though school closures may be necessary, and it could (probably will) take longer than 6 weeks. Then as we start to open up again, it should hopefully be in conjunction with a vaccine roll out. By January/February we should be in the same place we were in, July with a majority of businesses/society able to open. That would give a few months before the virus numbers start to rise to dangerous levels again. In those months though, enough people should have the vaccine that the same danger to the health service isn't there. That way we won't have to shut anything down again. Masks will probably still be recommended indoors for a while. But at some point in late spring/early summer something very close to normality should be back. Complete freedom of travel and mass gatherings may take a little longer. That will depend on vaccine efficacy and how fast everyone can get it and any possibly necessary booster.

That's actually a very realistic outlook

I just really hope our "government"/HSE don't fúck up the rollout

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 2:13pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's actually a very realistic outlook

I just really hope our "government"/HSE don't fúck up the rollout

They seem to fúck up everything else, so why not this?

FintanMcluskey · 23-10-2020 2:13pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I hope the Oxford vaccine helps when it comes out. But when do people see normal back again? We're almost at the end of 2020, soon into 2021 and I still don't see any normal for 2021 yet. Maybe the end of next year but is that too optimistic at this stage?

Well unless the vaccine prevents severe symptoms and death in those age 80+, and lowers the transmission rate significantly, normal socialising won’t return under the metrics that it currently has been suspended under. IMO of course

Irish Stones · 23-10-2020 2:13pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Nonsense

2025 would like a word with your statement

My opinion is that, like all other pandemics, our life style and habits will be modified by what is happening/has happened, so the new normal will include a new set of habits that won't be what it is now.
It happened before, it will happen again.

In 5 years for now, we'll be so used to social distancing, masks, hand sanitizers, and other weird things, that we won't even remember what it was before.
I think that not hand-shaking, looking at others like sick potential sick people, etc, will become intrinsic to our new way of living.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 2:20pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

My opinion is that, like all other pandemics, our life style and habits will be modified by what is happening/has happened, so the new normal will include a new set of habits that won't be what it is now.
It happened before, it will happen again.

In 5 years for now, we'll be so used to social distancing, masks, hand sanitizers, and other weird things, that we won't even remember what it was before.
I think that not hand-shaking, looking at others like sick potential sick people, etc, will become intrinsic to our new way of living.

People recover fast.
We'll all be hugging and kissing and shaking hands again before you know it.

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 2:24pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

People recover fast.
We'll all be hugging and kissing and shaking hands again before you know it.

You might. I'm staying away from that shíte. It's absolutely disgusting shaking hands when people are constantly touching their mouth and nose.

Gael23 · 23-10-2020 2:28pm

I think the government will want to allow retail open for Christmas. Public opinion will turn strongly against them otherwise

JDD · 23-10-2020 2:28pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

People recover fast.
We'll all be hugging and kissing and shaking hands again before you know it.

I agree.

I think the permanent changes that might come from this pandemic is that more people will work from home, and you might be more likely to step away from a coughing or sneezing person in the shops or on a bus. That's it.

We had the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago. They had masks then. I don't see that that particular outbreak (which was way more deadly than this one) stopped people from hugging or shaking hands or gathering in large numbers.

The only permanent change from the plague is our fear of rats. And that was a 200 year long outbreak.

Everyone said people would stop flying after 9/11. And then Ryanair started. People forget quickly.

People want to go back to normal, and therefore they will.

tayto lover · 23-10-2020 2:29pm

micks_address wrote: »

you'd have thought someone might have ran down the list of ingredients and thought hmm maybe this isn't suitable or at least used it themselves first... local primary had been using it and its taken paint off doors and discolored floors... any of the staff that have used they have their skin peeling off their hands.. most knew it was rank and brought their own in...day one they said it was awful smell etc but no one cared. its a hugely disappointing thing to let happen... telling everyone that kids are safe in school while poisoning them with dept sourced hand sanitizer.. im sure there will be lawsuits over it and quite rightly so

They took the product as advertised.
The problem was created by the manufacturers, not them.

If I bought a body spray how am I to know that the wrong ingredients are in it until I use it?

marno21 · 23-10-2020 2:29pm

iguana wrote: »

My hope, and I believe it's how it should go. Is that this lockdown should get numbers down, though school closures may be necessary, and it could (probably will) take longer than 6 weeks. Then as we start to open up again, it should hopefully be in conjunction with a vaccine roll out. By January/February we should be in the same place we were in, July with a majority of businesses/society able to open. That would give a few months before the virus numbers start to rise to dangerous levels again. In those months though, enough people should have the vaccine that the same danger to the health service isn't there. That way we won't have to shut anything down again. Masks will probably still be recommended indoors for a while. But at some point in late spring/early summer something very close to normality should be back. Complete freedom of travel and mass gatherings may take a little longer. That will depend on vaccine efficacy and how fast everyone can get it and any possibly necessary booster.

Pity they don’t have iguana on the radio rather than the merchants of doom.

We will be back to normal before long. Look at how fast the vaccines have been coming along and Germany are starting a rollout in less than 2 months time.

I have been reading Fareed Zakaria’s new book recently and one line from it echoed your sentiments: “The pace of progress so far with regards to vaccines has surprised even optimists”.

This will be over before we know it. But until then it will be difficult but the light at the end of the tunnel will make it easier.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 2:30pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You might. I'm staying away from that shíte. It's absolutely disgusting shaking hands when people are constantly touching their mouth and nose.

Do you think there are many people as opposed to it as yourself in general?

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 2:36pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

Do you think there are many people as opposed to it as yourself in general?

Seeing people's behaviour during this pandemic, I might be the only one!

JDD · 23-10-2020 2:37pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You might. I'm staying away from that shíte. It's absolutely disgusting shaking hands when people are constantly touching their mouth and nose.

You're not wrong, but habits are hard to break. Sh*t, I still have my hand half the way out when I meet someone new, before remembering no hand shakes.

After the (presumed) vaccine, I don't think I could stop myself if someone else held their hand out first. My hand would go into autopilot.

I probably will carry around more (ethanol free) sanitiser. Whether I remember to use it or not will be another story.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 2:37pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Seeing people's behaviour during this pandemic, I might be the only one!

True that.

stephenjmcd · 23-10-2020 2:38pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

There will be no normal again, there will be a new normal and we will adapt to it. Those who are very young kids now will grow up in this new norm and they won't care. For those who are older (or much older) it might be harder to adjust to a different life style.

All pandemics have led to a new normal. Most of us aren't old enough to remember what life was before the last pandemics. Most of us know this "normal", which is different to what was the "normal" before that.

Do you actually believe any of the nonsense you've just typed.

No normal? Ok so let me put it to you like this, there won't be large sporting events, festivals, travel etc no ? You honestly think none of that is coming back, people not being social with other people? People meeting others and settling down to build a family?

If you believe any of that is gone for good I fear for you.

New normal after other pandemics... you know nothing changed after other pandemics and life went back to exactly how it was. You can read up on them if you don't believe me.

So what's your version of the future world ??

The only things that'll hang around from this is increased hand hygiene and WFH. The rest goes back to how it was, a vaccine signals a slow return to normal, don't forget all of this is to keep the health services from being over run thats all

Strumms · 23-10-2020 2:40pm

Gael23 wrote: »

I think the government will want to allow retail open for Christmas. Public opinion will turn strongly against them otherwise

I don’t think so at all...

“Yeah I can’t wait until I can spend hours trawling through packed and sweaty shops for hours at a time” is NOT something you are going to hear.

Shopping will be done in the main early as in from around now and online.

Older people without the ability or access to go online will avail of help as in younger family, neighbors... I’ll be doing all my parents Xmas shopping online.

They aren’t a fan as they are old school and like to ‘see what they are buying’ but it’s for one year and the alternative is grim.

The business community will no doubt kick off but we’ve seen what a bunch of selfish and disingenuous fûckers many of them are... couldn’t care less about covid stats, only spreadsheet stats. Fûck em.

dalyboy · 23-10-2020 2:41pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Seeing people's behaviour during this pandemic, I might be the only one!

Howard Hughes ?

Gael23 · 23-10-2020 2:45pm

Strumms wrote: »

I don’t think so at all...

“Yeah I can’t wait until I can spend hours trawling through packed and sweaty shops for hours at a time” is NOT something you are going to hear.

Shopping will be done in the main early as in from around now and online.

Older people without the ability or access to go online will avail of help as in younger family, neighbors... I’ll be doing all my parents Xmas shopping online.

They aren’t a fan as they are old school and like to ‘see what they are buying’ but it’s for one year and the alternative is grim.

The business community will no doubt kick off but we’ve seen what a bunch of selfish and disingenuous fûckers many of them are... couldn’t care less about covid stats, only spreadsheet stats. Fûck em.

Fair point, but the smaller businesses being hit hardest by this don’t have online shopping so they will go under without the Christmas bonanza

Deeper Blue · 23-10-2020 2:47pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

There will be no normal again, there will be a new normal and we will adapt to it. Those who are very young kids now will grow up in this new norm and they won't care. For those who are older (or much older) it might be harder to adjust to a different life style.

All pandemics have led to a new normal. Most of us aren't old enough to remember what life was before the last pandemics. Most of us know this "normal", which is different to what was the "normal" before that.

Do you have any examples of this? I'm not sure this is the case

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