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Options for enforcing no parking on a private road

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  • #202
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    Marcusm wrote: »
    You are comparing apples with potatoes. You don’t own the toad outside your house. If you have set back your front wall to ensure sight lines, you are perfectly entitled to set it up in a manner to preclude parking. Otherwise they are parking on a public road.

    This is an entirely different situation. Cyrus and his neighbours paid for the roads to be built (as part of their new build price) and they will pay to insure and maintain them via their service charges. They will need to ensure themselves against people walking and slipping/falling on the roads and paths to claim money. There is no god given or otherwise available right to park on probate property. Driving into your drive contravenes the law in precisely the same manner as parking in thet estate.

    Leave my toad out of this :D he’s done nothing to warrant public discussion!


  • #203
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    You can't just say you own it because the council haven't taken charge of it. Did ye all buy the land and develop it or something.

    They aren’t taking charge of it it’s not that they haven’t , they never will.

    Developer bought the land and developed it, once all the houses were sold the omc which owns and manages the common areas on behalf of the residents was transferred to us .

    Who do you think owns the land ?


  • #204
    Vestiapx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    Has this always happened but ue never noticed because you were at work and when work from home started the schools were shut?


  • #205
    iwillhtfu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Cyrus wrote: »
    They aren’t taking charge of it it’s not that they haven’t , they never will.

    Developer bought the land and developed it, once all the houses were sold the omc which owns and manages the common areas on behalf of the residents was transferred to us .

    Who do you think owns the land ?

    I'd have said the developer or possibly nama but not the residents. I'm not sure why the council would take charge of an estate they believe to be owned or accessed privately it sounds like a nightmare scenario for them to try maintain roads, lighting etc. I'd say there main reason is it's incomplete development. Were there more houses planned?


  • #206
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    Has this always happened but ue never noticed because you were at work and when work from home started the schools were shut?

    It’s not limited to the school we have had issues with people parking as long as I have been here , mostly visiting people in houses down the road and then also using our estate as a place to walk their dogs as the view is nice and it’s a place for them to defecate freely it would seem.


  • #207
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    I'd have said the developer or possibly nama but not the residents.

    You'd be wrong in the case of many recent developments.

    It is quite usual for the shared spaces to transfer to the Owners Management Company (OMC) upon completion.

    Each resident is a shareholder in the OMC so they do collectively own the estate.


  • #208
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    I'd have said the developer or possibly nama but not the residents. I'm not sure why the council would take charge of an estate they believe to be owned or accessed privately it sounds like a nightmare scenario for them to try maintain roads, lighting etc. I'd say there main reason is it's incomplete development. Were there more houses planned?

    It’s fully complete I’m not sure why you think otherwise? And it was a condition of planning that they wouldn’t take it in charge . It’s not uncommon so I’m not really sure what you are getting at .

    We maintain the grounds and the lighting and the rest.

    Again this is all beside the point .


  • #209
    iwillhtfu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Graham wrote: »
    You'd be wrong in the case of many recent developments.

    It is quite usual for the shared spaces to transfer to the Owners Management Company (OMC) upon completion.

    Each resident is a shareholder in the OMC so they do collectively own the estate.

    Perhaps it's a Dublin thing as I know of plenty of completed developments yet none with management companies.

    If that's the case I fail to see why OP can't just do as previously mentioned and put in gates or clamping and forget about the council taking charge as it obviously wont happen.


  • #210
    Vestiapx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    Cyrus wrote: »
    It’s not limited to the school we have had issues with people parking as long as I have been here , mostly visiting people in houses down the road and then also using our estate as a place to walk their dogs as the view is nice and it’s a place for them to defecate freely it would seem.

    I'd have serious issues with the dog dirt but is that not something you could use to your advantage ? Get some of the dirt analysed and there will likely be something in it that will be a danger to the local kids or dogs and use this as leverage . Next as a group of high net worth individuals you should employ someone to lobby on your behalf in order to get automatic gates approved. Nothing is set in stone and any spend will more than be made up for in the resulting gain in house prices.


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  • #211
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    Perhaps it's a Dublin thing as I know of plenty of completed developments yet none with management companies.

    If that's the case I fail to see why OP can't just do as previously mentioned and put in gates or clamping and forget about the council taking charge as it obviously wont happen.

    Maybe it is Dublin or specific to some of the cc’s not sure.

    You need planning for gates and it’s unlikely to be granted but we may try again.

    And yes clamping is an option.


  • #212
    Vestiapx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Maybe it is Dublin or specific to some of the cc’s not sure.

    You need planning for gates and it’s unlikely to be granted but we may try again.

    And yes clamping is an option.

    Clamping is crass and also likely to be ineffective and do you really want Karen doing your head in over how you scratched the wheel of her Kia?

    Worse yet is if a visitor was to be clamped, crazy embarrassing. Gates are the answer the question is who do we have to pay to get gates .


  • #213
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    Perhaps it's a Dublin thing

    OMCs for estates are not a uniquely Dublin thing.


  • #214
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Marcusm wrote: »
    It’s entirely relevant. When people see your fellow members acting in this manner with impunity conjoined with relative inaction for other matter such as on pavement parking, double yellow parking etc, they feel that they can do the same thing themselves.

    There is a thing in the Irish psyche that we like to push the limits, thumb our nose at authority (maybe an anti-British thing). The effect of this is that we can rarely have nice things and not have them besmirched.

    Gardai should be like Caesar’s wife, ie above reproach, as opposed to poster children for rule breakers.

    Wasn’t if Bill Brattton who called it the broken windows theory - little infringements whic are allowed to be unpunished result in a greater impact of lawlessness on people generally.

    How the **** is my occupation or what Gardai do relevant to this thread about trespassing in a private estate? Come off it.

    I got a speeding ticket before as well. Think to confuse us with the pope


  • #215
    spyderski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭spyderski


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    I'd have serious issues with the dog dirt but is that not something you could use to your advantage ? Get some of the dirt analysed and there will likely be something in it that will be a danger to the local kids or dogs and use this as leverage . Next as a group of high net worth individuals you should employ someone to lobby on your behalf in order to get automatic gates approved. Nothing is set in stone and any spend will more than be made up for in the resulting gain in house prices.

    High net worth individuals don’t tend to live in estates like these. The council in questions’ policy regarding gated communities isn’t going to change any time soon either.

    That said, there’s no excuse for anyone not picking up after their dog, regardless of the location.


  • #216
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    What's the difference, I'm from the country so I genuinely have no idea what a private road or a public road looks like. I have no experience of what I assume is suburban living.

    It's very simple, who maintains it. If a public authority doesn't, it ain't public.


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  • #217
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    Perhaps it's a Dublin thing as I know of plenty of completed developments yet none with management companies.

    If that's the case I fail to see why OP can't just do as previously mentioned and put in gates or clamping and forget about the council taking charge as it obviously wont happen.

    Who cleans the road and repairs it?

    I full to see the confusion here. The council don't clean or repair the roads inside the estate because they aren't public. Yup can't just build a road and then wipe your hands, voila a new public road for the council to take care of


  • #218
    Vestiapx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    spyderski wrote: »
    High net worth individuals don’t tend to live in estates like these. The council in questions’ policy regarding gated communities isn’t going to change any time soon either.

    That said, there’s no excuse for anyone not picking up after their dog, regardless of the location.

    High net worth is 1 million dollars in assets. Previous poster said that the house was 900k and there are many gates in South co dublin


  • #219
    spyderski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭spyderski


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    High net worth is 1 million dollars in assets. Previous poster said that the house was 900k and there are many gates in South co dublin

    Dunno about dollars, and not sure if having a mortgage reduces this somewhat? €900k doesn’t make you rich around these parts anyhow.

    Lots of gated communities around here. None built since the council adopted its current policy about 10 years ago.


  • #220
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    spyderski wrote: »
    High net worth individuals don’t tend to live in estates like these.

    No they would have their own house on their own plot like you and have access to senior counsels to antagonise their neighbours:D

    You should also tell Lochlann Quinn about this, he will probably be surprised ;)


  • #221
    Vestiapx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    spyderski wrote: »
    Dunno about dollars, and not sure if having a mortgage reduces this somewhat? €900k doesn’t make you rich around these parts anyhow.

    Lots of gated communities around here. None built since the council adopted its current policy about 10 years ago.

    Ok; thank you; bye bye.


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  • #222
    spyderski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭spyderski


    Cyrus wrote: »
    No they would have their own house on their own plot like you and have access to senior counsels to antagonise their neighbours:D

    You should also tell Lochlann Quinn about this, he will probably be surprised ;)

    Is that the problem? Are you also worried about sustaining damage to your multi million euro Ferrari collection? Now it all makes sense. Riff raff out.


  • #223
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    Perhaps it's a Dublin thing as I know of plenty of completed developments yet none with management companies.

    If that's the case I fail to see why OP can't just do as previously mentioned and put in gates or clamping and forget about the council taking charge as it obviously wont happen.

    Not a Dublin thing, these privately owned developments are all over Ireland. It’s not a necessity to have a managed development but a lot were conditions of planning so the council didn’t have to take care of them when completed.


  • #224
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    spyderski wrote: »
    Is that the problem? Are you also worried about sustaining damage to your multi million euro Ferrari collection? Now it all makes sense. Riff raff out.

    According to you we are the riff raff , are we not ?


  • #225
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,782 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Who cleans the road and repairs it?

    I full to see the confusion here. The council don't clean or repair the roads inside the estate because they aren't public. Yup can't just build a road and then wipe your hands, voila a new public road for the council to take care of

    It happens all the time. My estate was finished in 1996. No gates. Council to this day still haven’t taken it in charge.

    Developer is well gone.


  • #226
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,440 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    99nsr125 wrote: »
    If someone has a problem with a dad or mom picking up a 6 or 8 year old, they have a problem with everyone. Lest we forget we were all 6 or 8 year olds picked up by our dad or mom. So the op doesn't want any not from our area people having the audacity to stray in off the street

    Speak for yourself. Some of us walked or cycled or took the bus, and weren't picked up by dad or mom.


  • #227
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Gumbo wrote: »
    It happens all the time. My estate was finished in 1996. No gates. Council to this day still haven’t taken it in charge.

    Developer is well gone.

    Correct and its on you as the owners, to maintain. Thats exactly what I said.


  • #228
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,440 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Cyrus wrote: »
    It’s not limited to the school we have had issues with people parking as long as I have been here , mostly visiting people in houses down the road and then also using our estate as a place to walk their dogs as the view is nice and it’s a place for them to defecate freely it would seem.

    Jeez, that's awful, people defecating freely around your estate. You should definitely do something about that.
    Vestiapx wrote: »
    Clamping is crass and also likely to be ineffective and do you really want Karen doing your head in over how you scratched the wheel of her Kia?

    Worse yet is if a visitor was to be clamped, crazy embarrassing. Gates are the answer the question is who do we have to pay to get gates .

    Karen will do the clampers heads in, and they'll be well used to it. Karen won't whinge her way out of this one.


    The only embarrassment arising from a visitor being clamped is the embarrassment of the visitor for parking illegally. No-one else has anything to be embarrassed about.

    Vestiapx wrote: »
    What's the difference, I'm from the country so I genuinely have no idea what a private road or a public road looks like. I have no experience of what I assume is suburban living.
    Then don't park on roads. This is your problem to solve. Your ignorance isn't someone else's problem to solve. Get your own act together and don't park on streets until you know what the story is.
    spyderski wrote: »
    High net worth individuals don’t tend to live in estates like these.
    Actually, quite a few do live in managed estates, like the K Club, Mount Juliet, and what was the fancy one in Malahide for the northsiders (yer man from Anglo Irish and some of the Boyzone or Westlife lads).


  • #229
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Mod Note

    AndrewJRenko, fair warning. Next trolling post wins you a thread ban at minimum.

    Do not reply to this post.


  • #230
    99nsr125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Speak for yourself. Some of us walked or cycled or took the bus, and weren't picked up by dad or mom.

    I do and I have done all of those things when older not as a 6 year old, young children need to be accompanied and you're not going to walk or cycle in the hammering rain.


  • #231
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    99nsr125 wrote: »
    I do and I have done all of those things when older not as a 6 year old, young children need to be accompanied and you're not going to walk or cycle in the hammering rain.

    I can assure you I did walk by the age of 6 and no, lifts were not provided just because it was raining. It's Ireland ffs, that's every second day!


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  • #232
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    This thread reminds me of an apartment block i rented in years ago.
    There was loads of parking in the place. So much so that there werent even any designated parking spaces. No need.
    There was a creche around the corner on a main road and some of the parents you to park in there when bringing their kids to and from creche. No problem at all. So much space to park.
    So this one resident banded a few others together and got 2 space marked out for each apartment. So people used to park in the no marked out space. Still loads of room.
    Next thing there was a clamping company brought in. And there is the woman every day sitting at her window checking and calling the clamper when a car would park there.
    It got so bad that visitors to people living there were getting clamped.
    Had she nothing else to do but spend her days working on a cause for no other reason than she didnt want people parking in HER apartment block car park.
    People need to lighten up.


  • #233
    [Deleted User]
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Problems with gates are a much more immediate, pressing issue, and indeed a possible safety and security issue. If you don't have a sinking fund, people can still get in and out.

    We've an automated gate where I live. It stops working occasionally, it's 50/50 if it's open or closed when it gives trouble. There's a way to open it when it won't open using a mechanical key in a locked box. The insurance company did indeed request modifications to the gate in the last few years to ensure it's safe (sensors in case there's someone in it's path etc etc) ............. Overall, it's brilliant, works well and doesn't cost much when the cost is spread out.


  • #234
    Claw Hammer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    This thread reminds me of an apartment block i rented in years ago.
    There was loads of parking in the place. So much so that there werent even any designated parking spaces. No need.
    There was a creche around the corner on a main road and some of the parents you to park in there when bringing their kids to and from creche. No problem at all. So much space to park.
    So this one resident banded a few others together and got 2 space marked out for each apartment. So people used to park in the no marked out space. Still loads of room.
    Next thing there was a clamping company brought in. And there is the woman every day sitting at her window checking and calling the clamper when a car would park there.
    It got so bad that visitors to people living there were getting clamped.
    Had she nothing else to do but spend her days working on a cause for no other reason than she didnt want people parking in HER apartment block car park.
    People need to lighten up.
    you think that's bad? Near where I live there is an apartment block with the car park on the ground underneath (the block is effectively on stilts). One of the residents got out of his car one day and was approaching the lift shaft. Out from behind a pillar steps a woman who demands to know who years and wary is going. He explains that he is a resident of 10 years standing and continues. 30 seconds later before he gets to the lift shaft another woman appears and a similar conversation ensues.
    These women were standing behind pillars in the car park trying to catch trespassers, not even sitting in their apartments.


  • #235
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,440 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    99nsr125 wrote: »
    I do and I have done all of those things when older not as a 6 year old, young children need to be accompanied and you're not going to walk or cycle in the hammering rain.

    Lots of people walk or cycle in the rain, though I would disagree with the other poster about how often this happens.

    https://irishcycle.com/myths/myths-weather/

    I'd agree about accompanying a six year old, but there are lots of children of an age not necessarily requiring adult accompanying being chauffeured short distances to school, just because.


  • #236
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    99nsr125 wrote: »
    I do and I have done all of those things when older not as a 6 year old, young children need to be accompanied and you're not going to walk or cycle in the hammering rain.

    I walked to school in the rain, snow, hail and wind. I also walk to work in the rain as well, I wear a raincoat! Irish people are so reliant on their cars, no wonder obesity is at such a high level.


  • #237
    99nsr125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    I can assure you I did walk by the age of 6 and no, lifts were not provided just because it was raining. It's Ireland ffs, that's every second day!

    I never said you didn't.

    I said young children need to be accompanied and not drowned on the way there or home because that's a fantastic way to get sick.

    If you think it's alright to send a small child off to school in the rain on her own maybe you should talk to some other parents because it's not.


  • #238
    99nsr125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    Lux23 wrote: »
    I walked to school in the rain, snow, hail and wind. I also walk to work in the rain as well, I wear a raincoat! Irish people are so reliant on their cars, no wonder obesity is at such a high level.

    As an adult you can make a choice for yourself but as a parent your default choice will always be the option that keeps your children warm, dry and safe. Your choice will not be cold or wet or unguided for children. The latter choice may even be ascribed as neglect.

    There are lots of warm and dry places to exercise, obseity is a function of available lifestyle and inequality, simply more income allows better choices and better lifestyle.


  • #239
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    99nsr125 wrote: »
    As an adult you can make a choice for yourself but as a parent your default choice will always be the option that keeps your children warm, dry and safe. Your choice will not be cold or wet or unguided for children. The latter choice may even be ascribed as neglect.

    There are lots of warm and dry places to exercise, obseity is a function of available lifestyle and inequality, simply more income allows better choices and better lifestyle.

    Such dramatics over a bit of rain. Just clad the kids in a rain gear and wellies and walk with them to school. They're not made of sugar you know. This notion that their walking in rain is somehow neglectful and unsafe is just ridiculous. Poor Oisín and Fionn can take a bit of splashing in the 'hammering' rain if parents dress them properly. No need to be clogging up the whole place and trespassing with SUVs just to keep them 'warm, dry and safe'. Such hand wringing nonsense.


  • #240
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,440 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    99nsr125 wrote: »
    I never said you didn't.

    I said young children need to be accompanied and not drowned on the way there or home because that's a fantastic way to get sick.

    It's actually a fantastic way to stay healthy, and to set down habits of a lifetime that don't encourage obesity and don't poison your neighbours and classmates with toxic emissions.

    I recall some research showing how children perform better academically in school when they use active modes of travel.


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  • #241
    99nsr125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    coolbeans wrote: »
    Such dramatics over a bit of rain. Just clad the kids in a rain gear and wellies and walk with them to school. They're not made of sugar you know. This notion that their walking in rain is somehow neglectful and unsafe is just ridiculous. Poor Oisín and Fionn can take a bit of splashing in the 'hammering' rain if parents dress them properly. No need to be clogging up the whole place and trespassing with SUVs just to keep them 'warm, dry and safe'. Such hand wringing nonsense.

    It's not dramatic, it's the truth, not everyone lives five minutes from their school. A classmate of mine who was almost exactly the same distance from school as me developed pneumonia after getting wet on the way there.

    My primary school for an adult was a half an hour walk away and three quarters of an hour for my cousin and an adult walks circa 50% faster than a child. Also to set aside as a parent working or not 2 or 3 hours from your day to walk your children to school is completely unfeasible. They need to get to and from there in a timely and safe manner.


  • #242
    99nsr125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It's actually a fantastic way to stay healthy, and to set down habits of a lifetime that don't encourage obesity and don't poison your neighbours and classmates with toxic emissions.

    I recall some research showing how children perform better academically in school when they use active modes of travel.

    That's great if the weather is good and you have the time to do it but it's Ireland and the school year also runs through the winter not the summer. It is not always feasible.

    Look at today for example.


  • #243
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    99nsr125 wrote: »
    It's not dramatic, it's the truth, not everyone lives five minutes from their school. A classmate of mine who was almost exactly the same distance from school as me developed pneumonia after getting wet on the way there.

    My primary school for an adult was a half an hour walk away and three quarters of an hour for my cousin and an adult walks circa 50% faster than a child. Also to set aside as a parent working or not 2 or 3 hours from your day to walk your children to school is completely unfeasible. They need to get to and from there in a timely and safe manner.

    This thread has now reached the absurd.

    Child neglect and pneumonia??

    Wow.

    Options the OP has are apply for PP for gates, or introduce clamping.



    By the way, getting wet in the rain is not a cause of pneumonia.


    Bacterial pneumonia. This type is caused by various bacteria. The most common is Streptococcus pneumoniae. It usually occurs when the body is weakened in some way, such as by illness, poor nutrition, old age, or impaired immunity, and the bacteria are able to work their way into the lungs. Bacterial pneumonia can affect all ages, but you are at greater risk if you abuse alcohol, smoke cigarettes, are debilitated, have recently had surgery, have a respiratory disease or viral infection, or have a weakened immune system.

    Viral pneumonia. This type is caused by various viruses, including the flu (influenza), and is responsible for about one-third of all pneumonia cases. You may be more likely to get bacterial pneumonia if you have viral pneumonia.

    Mycoplasma pneumonia. This type has somewhat different symptoms and physical signs and is referred to as atypical pneumonia. It is caused by the bacterium Mycoplasma pneumoniae. It generally causes a mild, widespread pneumonia that affects all age groups.


  • #244
    [Deleted User]
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    99nsr125 wrote: »
    I never said you didn't.

    I said young children need to be accompanied and not drowned on the way there or home because that's a fantastic way to get sick.

    If you think it's alright to send a small child off to school in the rain on her own maybe you should talk to some other parents because it's not.

    Who are you to decide that or judge my parenting skills? Because you and your kids are too lazy to walk in a bit of rain?

    Distance is a factor I notice you ignore. When I was in primary school, thinking 1982 now, I walked at 6. I knew lots of kids that did the same from a greater distance. It was the norm.

    Again in secondary. It was normal, cars didn't line street for miles to avoid their little cherub from having to use their legs.

    Now i or my wife will walk with the girls to school. It's 10 minutes away. They wear coats and scarfs and we are usually quicker than the car brigade that sit in traffic they are causing because they need to be bang at the school gates. Pathetic.

    Rain doesn't cause illness by the way. Can't believe that myth still exists and is being used as an excuse


  • #245
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Mod Note

    ok folks, I think it's fair to say we've strayed off topic and well outside what might be relevant to the Accommodation & Property forum.

    For parenting discussion there's a dedicated parenting forum

    To discuss where parents should be allowed to park when dropping/collecting children to/from school, please start a separate thread in the relevant forum.

    As a quick reminder the question is:

    What are the options for enforcing no parking on a private road?


  • #246
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The options at this stage have been done.

    A, Commit criminal damage and probable end up with Gardai onsite

    B, Look for permission and then fund the installation of a Gate

    C, Put up more signs that are very clear

    D, Employ clampers.

    E, Yellow lines.

    F, All or part of the above

    All bring their own grief above the current situation in my opinion but there they are


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  • #247
    Uncle Pierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    You forgot my suggestion :(

    E - Paint yellow lines and remove the "Private Property" sign, to create the impression it's a regular road after all, and the regular "no parking" rules apply.

    Overall though, will just say that I was already thinking after only the first few pages of this thread about how this sort of thing is another reason I'm glad I don't live in the city any more. And the way things developed after that just makes me think that even more..........


  • #248
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Uncle Pierre wrote: »
    You forgot my suggestion :(

    E - Paint yellow lines and remove the "Private Property" sign, to create the impression it's a regular road after all, the the regular "no parking" rules apply.

    Overall though, will just say that I was already thinking after only the first few pages of this thread about how this sort of thing is another reason I'm glad I don't live in the city any more. And the way things developed after that just makes me think that even more..........

    how could I?;)

    Amended to include your sensible suggestion


  • #249
    The Continental Op
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Don't for get my suggestion :pac:

    A chain that can just be pulled across for the school run.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • #250
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Uncle Pierre wrote: »
    You forgot my suggestion :(

    E - Paint yellow lines and remove the "Private Property" sign, to create the impression it's a regular road after all, and the regular "no parking" rules apply.

    Overall though, will just say that I was already thinking after only the first few pages of this thread about how this sort of thing is another reason I'm glad I don't live in the city any more. And the way things developed after that just makes me think that even more..........

    i think a combo of C&E is best myself


  • #251
    The Continental Op
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Cyrus wrote: »
    i think a combo of C&E is best myself

    But anyone with any common sense (may not include drives on the school run) will realise that the double yellow lines are "fake" and don't mean anything.

    My parents had them outside their house on a private road and no one took any notice.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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