Seems like a good deal on firewood....

limnam · 27-08-2020 3:30pm

Zulu wrote: »

Bought from one of the recommendations here last year. See to be about the same price this year (https://www.logsforsale.ie/price-list) €230 for 1.2m birch.

One thing - last year I could store in a garage, but wont be able to this year. If I'm storing outside (I'll keep wrapped and the water off them) I presume the moisture level will rise? Will it be much of a loss? Or will I be ok?

If heavy rain is kept away and you can get a decent bit of wind at it should be ok

Muahahaha · 27-08-2020 5:12pm

Zulu wrote: »

Bought from one of the recommendations here last year. See to be about the same price this year (https://www.logsforsale.ie/price-list) €230 for 1.2m birch.

Just for information purposes logsforsale.ie and monahans.ie are one and the same company, photos of the crates of logs are identical on both websites and both sites list their address as The Yard, Straffan Road, Barberstown, Straffan, Co.Kildare. Only difference between the two is Monahans prices are all 1 euro lower than what is on logsforsale.ie. I used Monahans last year and likely will again this year unless something better pops up in the next few weeks. I dont think it will though, prices between companies are much of a muchness for kiln dried hardwood.

The main thing is to know the cubic metres of what you're buying and how tightly stacked it is. No point buying a bulk bag that is 0.5 of a cubic metre but has 30% of air inside it.

One thing - last year I could store in a garage, but wont be able to this year. If I'm storing outside (I'll keep wrapped and the water off them) I presume the moisture level will rise? Will it be much of a loss? Or will I be ok?

I've a log store which is open to the elements but only on one side. Search my posts on this thread and the retailer is there. Testing logs that were stored with a moisture metre I did find the moisture had risen to about 25-28%, this was only on logs on the outer row. It was mainly logs stored less than a foot above the ground, my assumption is that heavy rain was hitting the concrete and splashing back up. On the inner one they all stated below the 20% I had bought them at.

The ones that got a bit wet at 25-28% were not a problem as I have two log stores indoors so the wood Im burning has typically been indoors for about 3 weeks before it actually goes in the fire. When tested after 3 weeks indoors (and stored near to the heat of the fire) the moisture in those logs had gone down to about 15-18% and burnt fine.

If you're just covering with a tarpaulin though that could be a different matter, others can advise. But Id be worried about water wicking through it. The other thing is high humidity underneath the tarp. Without airflow it could be like a sweatbox for logs under there. We get winter days here with 80%+ humidity so that could be a factor in making them wetter when there is no airflow around the logs. I think thats the very problem log stores solve, they allow both shelter from the rain but also air to flow around the logs to prevent moisture building up.

Zulu · 27-08-2020 6:34pm

Thanks guys for putting my mind to ease. Good news, I'll be storing them in a windtunnel! and partial rain cover with plastic then to keep the rain off.
Plenty of air flow!!

gooner99 · 13-09-2020 3:35pm

How does €240 for 2.5 cubic meters of ash/beech sound?

vicwatson · 13-09-2020 5:40pm

gooner99 wrote: »

How does €240 for 2.5 cubic meters of ash/beech sound?

Sounds like a bargain

More info?

gooner99 · 13-09-2020 6:20pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Sounds like a bargain

More info?

Based in Donegal. It's on that Facebook image I attached. Unfortunately I don't know anyone that bought from him yet.

Muahahaha · 13-09-2020 6:30pm

Definitely sounds like a bargain on the face of it though you would have to ask what the moisture level its as it is air seasoned hardwodd and not kiln dried. It all depends on how long he has been seasoning it for, I think it needs about 18 months drying to get below 20% moisture level.

Do you have a link to the Facebook page? Im doubting he is delivering nationwide?

gooner99 · 13-09-2020 6:59pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Definitely sounds like a bargain on the face of it though you would have to ask what the moisture level its as it is air seasoned hardwodd and not kiln dried. It all depends on how long he has been seasoning it for, I think it needs about 18 months drying to get below 20% moisture level.

Do you have a link to the Facebook page? Im doubting he is delivering nationwide?

No. Don't think it nationwide delivery.

Typical Facebook I can't find the link now. Based in Letterkenny I think.

Muahahaha · 13-09-2020 9:46pm

yeah proably unlikely to be nationwide delivery, a lot of those operations on Facebook seem to be just local delivery. Still a great price though for people living in Donegal, provided of course that the seasoning it has got has made the wood pretty dry. I wonder might they be getting it from Northern Ireland and thats what is making it cheap for some reason. Have never checked northern Irish fuel companies but might have a scout around tomorrow on the off chance some of them offer nationwide delivery.

gooner99 · 13-09-2020 11:14pm

I might just take a chance as it's local in Donegal. I have a shed to store the wood, so at least the moisture content shouldn't rise too much in the coming months.

How do It tell how much wood I would actually get?

Is there a moisture meter I can get at a decent price?

Muahahaha · 13-09-2020 11:50pm

Well 2.5m3 is a fair bit of wood but it depends how often you light the fire. For comparison last winter I had 1.2m3 of hardwood and lit around two fires a week with three the odd time. It lasted from mid October to around about Paddys day. If I had 2.5m3 I reckon I could get nearly two winters out of it.

To find out the volume in cubic meters you need to measure the height by width by depth of whatever it comes in (a crate or a trailer presumably) to arrive at your answer of exactly how much you are getting. Also be aware of the difference between hand stacked logs in a crate and logs in a bulk bag that has about 30% fresh air in it and thus less logs than a crate.

re: moisture meters they pop up in Aldi/Lidi middle aisles from time to time, around about 15 euro or so. But if you need one quicker then Amazon/ebay should have them for a similar price. Note the cheap ones are not super accurate but they will at least give you a fair idea of how dry the wood is.

If you're going ahead with the local fella in Donegal its a good idea to ask him what moisture content is it before you buy and better if you had a moisture meter to check it upon arrival. Ideally it should be 20% moisture or less but if it showed up and it was 25% I wouldnt be too bothered as it will get drier again in your shed. But if it came in at 35 or 40% Id be sending it back.

lenscap · 15-09-2020 10:58pm

I have used compressed sawdust logs called Rocket Blazers. A pallett of 96 bales I got this time last year and I have still 10 left now.

Ok I burn Ecobrite smokeless coal and eco logs in a 16kw backboiler stove running 11 rads.

On average, ove the last few years, I burn 1 ton of Ecobrite coal and 90 bales of Rocket Blazer ecologs from October through to April, stove burning average 8-10 hours a day.

I found the ecologs easier to use than wood logs, easier to store (must be water tight), and they have moisture of 8-10%.
I got fed up with checking logs for moisture at delivery time and getting consistant heat from them.

soap1978 · 16-09-2020 8:12am

How much you paying for the Rocket Blazer ecologs and where you getting them👍

lenscap · 16-09-2020 3:54pm

soap1978 wrote: »

How much you paying for the Rocket Blazer ecologs and where you getting them👍

A pallet of 96 bales, with free delivery €399.

https://www.ecologs.ie/

oleras · 17-09-2020 12:41am

lenscap wrote: »

I have used compressed sawdust logs called Rocket Blazers. A pallett of 96 bales I got this time last year and I have still 10 left now.

Ok I burn Ecobrite smokeless coal and eco logs in a 16kw backboiler stove running 11 rads.

On average, ove the last few years, I burn 1 ton of Ecobrite coal and 90 bales of Rocket Blazer ecologs from October through to April, stove burning average 8-10 hours a day.

I found the ecologs easier to use than wood logs, easier to store (must be water tight), and they have moisture of 8-10%.
I got fed up with checking logs for moisture at delivery time and getting consistant heat from them.

You can keep a 16kw back boiler stove going 10 hours a day on 6 of those eco logs...with coal ? How much coal are you burning a day ? in KG ?

lenscap · 17-09-2020 1:57pm

oleras wrote: »

You can keep a 16kw back boiler stove going 10 hours a day on 6 of those eco logs...with coal ? How much coal are you burning a day ? in KG ?

Yes, but remember it's average over 6-7 months over the last 3 years.
So average coal is 5 or 6 kg. I know it sounds ridiculously small amount but that is the average of 3 years fuel consumption.
One year I have logs left over, another I ran out and had to use local logs.
Max running stove is 10 hours and that is only in very cold weather.

Skippy along · 17-09-2020 2:02pm

gooner99 wrote: »

I might just take a chance as it's local in Donegal. I have a shed to store the wood, so at least the moisture content shouldn't rise too much in the coming months.

How do It tell how much wood I would actually get?

Is there a moisture meter I can get at a decent price?

Got this yesterday

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003CSNV2Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fab_o51yFb27A6AGV

Pacifico · 19-09-2020 8:21pm

First time log buyer here! Looking at the 2m pallet of ash/oak for 350...any better value out there? I assume the ash/oak is worth the extra 20 over the birch?!

deisedav · 19-09-2020 11:30pm

Pacifico wrote: »

First time log buyer here! Looking at the 2m pallet of ash/oak for 350...any better value out there? I assume the ash/oak is worth the extra 20 over the birch?!

Yeah definitely. Birch is good for starting a fire it burns hot but it doesn't last long compared to oak or Ash.

Cloudio9 · 20-09-2020 8:17am

deisedav wrote: »

Yeah definitely. Birch is good for starting a fire it burns hot but it doesn't last long compared to oak or Ash.

Also birch is very messy inside the house with bits of bark peeling off.

OmegaGene · 20-09-2020 9:04am

Anyone any thoughts on this

https://logsonline.ie/kiln-dried-firewood-logs-ash-20-nets?ff=3&fp=69&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0pOB_6D36wIVQ83tCh1E0Af4EAsYAiABEgLi-vD_BwE

I normally get wood from my ovoid supplier but he won’t deliver wood only

Cloudio9 · 20-09-2020 9:50am

OmegaGene wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on this

https://logsonline.ie/kiln-dried-firewood-logs-ash-20-nets?ff=3&fp=69&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0pOB_6D36wIVQ83tCh1E0Af4EAsYAiABEgLi-vD_BwE

I normally get wood from my ovoid supplier but he won’t deliver wood only

As they’re charging €263 for a crate it looks like an expensive place.

Muahahaha · 20-09-2020 1:50pm

Pacifico wrote: »

First time log buyer here! Looking at the 2m pallet of ash/oak for 350...any better value out there? I assume the ash/oak is worth the extra 20 over the birch?!

Yeah Im going to go with the 2m3 crate this year myself as it offers better value over the 1.2m3 ones-
1.2m3 @ 240 euro = 200 euro per cubic metre
2m3 @ 350 euro = 175 euro per cubic metre

The 'free delivery' you get is really costing you 50 euro so there is an overall saving by buying it in bigger quantities (if you have the storage space) and hence having less deliveries. Out of the 2m3 I'll likely use about 1.2m3 of wood this winter and then have 0.8m3 left to get me two thirds the way through the following winter, perhaps to about February. Then another 2m3 crate will finish off that winter and take care of all of the next one with no need to buy again for the winter of 2022.

Zulu · 21-09-2020 9:38am

lenscap wrote: »

A pallet of 96 bales, with free delivery €399.

https://www.ecologs.ie/

Are these worth the extra money to hardwood logs? Or is 96 bales bigger than the 1.2/2m pallets? What am I missing here?

HeidiHeidi · 21-09-2020 10:25am

Zulu wrote: »

Are these worth the extra money to hardwood logs? Or is 96 bales bigger than the 1.2/2m pallets? What am I missing here?

I can't answer the particular ones referred to here, but in general these eco-logs have a much higher calorific value than wood logs.

The ones I use are 4 per 10kg pack (the ones referred to here are 12 per 10kg pack), and if I light the stove at teatime I would use 2 or 2.5 maximum over the course of the night, which heats a large room with a high ceiling.

The main reason I use them is that I have no place to store actual logs, and these are easily stacked in a plastic storage bin out the back, but they're really efficient and clean and I'm happy to pay a bit of a premium for them.

legend99 · 21-09-2020 10:57pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah Im going to go with the 2m3 crate this year myself as it offers better value over the 1.2m3 ones-
1.2m3 @ 240 euro = 200 euro per cubic metre
2m3 @ 350 euro = 175 euro per cubic metre

The 'free delivery' you get is really costing you 50 euro so there is an overall saving by buying it in bigger quantities (if you have the storage space) and hence having less deliveries. Out of the 2m3 I'll likely use about 1.2m3 of wood this winter and then have 0.8m3 left to get me two thirds the way through the following winter, perhaps to about February. Then another 2m3 crate will finish off that winter and take care of all of the next one with no need to buy again for the winter of 2022.

Trying to figure out in the thread but who is the 2m³ supplier you are using?
Tks

vicwatson · 21-09-2020 11:55pm

legend99 wrote: »

Trying to figure out in the thread but who is the 2m³ supplier you are using?
Tks

Www.Monahans.ie

Same company as

Www.Logsforsale.ie

Zulu · 22-09-2020 9:23am

So I know as I ask this that it could be a super stupid question, but how high is the 2m3?

(I'm presuming that it's not 2x2x2 but rather the same volume in a different shape)

TTTT · 22-09-2020 11:24am

Zulu wrote: »

So I know as I ask this that it could be a super stupid question, but how high is the 2m3?

(I'm presuming that it's not 2x2x2 but rather the same volume in a different shape)

2m³ = 2x1x1
2x2x2 = 8m³

Muahahaha · 22-09-2020 12:49pm

legend99 wrote: »

Trying to figure out in the thread but who is the 2m³ supplier you are using?
Tks

yeah as vic said it is Monahans in Straffan, Co.Kildare who deliver nationwide anyway . Ordered a 1.2m3 crate from them last year and it went smoothly. Will likely order a 2m3 crate from them in the coming weeks unless some good offer pops up elsewhere.

Zulu · 22-09-2020 1:07pm

TTTT wrote: »

2m³ = 2x1x1
2x2x2 = 8m³

Your right; I might have hoped the salient point/question would stand.

TTTT · 22-09-2020 2:24pm

Zulu wrote: »

Your right; I might have hoped the salient point/question would stand.

Sorry.

I bought one a few years ago and it was
2.0m high x 1.2m wide x 0.8m deep
Standard pallet size

Zulu · 22-09-2020 2:57pm

TTTT wrote: »

Sorry.

Your grand

TTTT wrote: »

I bought one a few years ago and it was
2.0m high x 1.2m wide x 0.8m deep
Standard pallet size

2m high; thanks!

Now I've a roof to measure

Irish Gunner · 22-09-2020 6:16pm

Okay new stove installed and not lit it up but it's getting cold and be lighting it up soon

Living in Dublin so looking for supplies as noobie so don't know where to start

Also need to look for firewood bunker but that's another post

Muahahaha · 22-09-2020 7:07pm

@Irish Gunner, loads of info on the thread but in general-
-Buy firewood by cubic metre volume, not by weight as the moisture level dictates weight. Heavy firewood=firewood that is wet and doesnt burn well
-Hardwood better than softwood, it burns longer for less volume. If you've bought wood in a petrol station before it was likely softwood and it burns very quickly so you need bigger quentities of it to get the same heat
-Seek kiln dried to below 20% moisture, drier wood burns better and is less smokey
-Ash/Oak burn tend to burn hotter/longer than beech or birch. Birch can also be quite sparky which isnt good for glass stove doors
-Better value buying in crates where the logs are hand stacked over bulk bags which are not the volume of wood they state (lots of air in the bag because of loosely stacked wood, maybe as much as 30%). A bulk bag or tonne bag is typically 80cmx80cmx80cm which is 0.51cm3. When hand stacked in a log store it is even less than that.

On suppliers a few here used Co-Op Superstores as they had a good offer on at the start of last winter. I used www.monahans.ie and will likely do so again. Better to use a bricks and mortar fuel merchant than a Facebook operation with little comeback.
-

vicwatson · 22-09-2020 9:51pm

A fair summation

alias no.9 · 22-09-2020 9:58pm

Irish Gunner wrote: »

Okay new stove installed and not lit it up but it's getting cold and be lighting it up soon

Living in Dublin so looking for supplies as noobie so don't know where to start

Also need to look for firewood bunker but that's another post

If you're getting a pallet of fire wood and would be able to get it around the side/back of the house, get another pallet to sit on top and a tarp to cover it. Saves breaking down the pallet and moving/stacking the logs.

cathy427 · 22-09-2020 10:34pm

Is it worth going for kiln over seasoned (genuinely actually seasoned) where they are just going to be stored in a garden shed?
ie will the kiln dried deteriorate/take on a moisture in a typical timber garden shed.

lenscap · 23-09-2020 3:13pm

Zulu wrote: »

Are these worth the extra money to hardwood logs? Or is 96 bales bigger than the 1.2/2m pallets? What am I missing here?

Sorry for the late reply as I was away.

The logs I am referring are compressed sawdust logs.
I have tried all sorts of sawdust logs over the last few years and I have found these ones to be the best. They don't expand and are long burning and low moisture.

https://www.ecologs.ie/

I use them in a stove where I can control the rate of burn.
The only drawback is that they MUST be kept dry, so they need to be stored correctly.

cathy427 · 23-09-2020 3:40pm

lenscap wrote: »

Sorry for the late reply as I was away.

The logs I am referring are compressed sawdust logs.
I have tried all sorts of sawdust logs over the last few years and I have found these ones to be the best. They don't expand and are long burning and low moisture.

https://www.ecologs.ie/

I use them in a stove where I can control the rate of burn.
The only drawback is that they MUST be kept dry, so they need to be stored correctly.

Would you recommend these over kiln dried? Do they work out at much of a premium over kiln dried?

Also are you referring to the "rocket blaze" or the "blazing briquettes" or the "birch hardwood ruf briquettes"

Muahahaha · 23-09-2020 4:12pm

Did a scout around fuel merchants in northern Ireland and there doesnt seem to be any savings buying from there, by the time you convert pounds to euro prices for a 1.2m3 crate or 2m3 crate are more or less identical to here.

OmegaGene · 23-09-2020 4:38pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Did a scout around fuel merchants in northern Ireland and there doesnt seem to be any savings buying from there, by the time you convert pounds to euro prices for a 1.2m3 crate or 2m3 crate are more or less identical to here.

I’m surprised considering the £ is so poor at the moment but transport is probably killing it

skydish79 · 23-09-2020 9:19pm

https://surefirewood.com/collections/firewood/products/premium-hardwood-1?variant=31346899353699

Says 1.8m3 large bag of oak kiln dried £179 plus delivery

Does it seem good value?

What would this be equal to in a crate?

fulhamfan · 23-09-2020 10:02pm

skydish79 wrote: »

https://surefirewood.com/collections/firewood/products/premium-hardwood-1?variant=31346899353699

Says 1.8m3 large bag of oak kiln dried £179 plus delivery

Does it seem good value?

What would this be equal to in a crate?

They look quite expensive compared to others already mentioned in this thread

2forjoy · 23-09-2020 10:50pm

skydish79 wrote: »

https://surefirewood.com/collections/firewood/products/premium-hardwood-1?variant=31346899353699

Says 1.8m3 large bag of oak kiln dried £179 plus delivery

Does it seem good value?

What would this be equal to in a crate?

You are on the wrong website . They have an ie website

https://surefirewood.ie/collections/premium-kiln-dried-firewood-bulk-bags-and-pallets-delivered-to-your-door/products/premium-hardwood-1?variant=31150936096822#jumptosection

The super jumbo bag is 235euro delivered in the Republic . Look at the size guide . The bag is 1.2m wide and 1.8m high . Thats a lot of logs. Plus it is not just oak . It is Ash, Beech, Oak and Sycamore all hardwood .

vicwatson · 23-09-2020 11:06pm

skydish79 wrote: »

https://surefirewood.com/collections/firewood/products/premium-hardwood-1?variant=31346899353699

Says 1.8m3 large bag of oak kiln dried £179 plus delivery

Does it seem good value?

What would this be equal to in a crate?

Who knows how much air is between the logs

Pacifico · 24-09-2020 7:33am

2forjoy wrote: »

You are on the wrong website . They have an ie website

https://surefirewood.ie/collections/premium-kiln-dried-firewood-bulk-bags-and-pallets-delivered-to-your-door/products/premium-hardwood-1?variant=31150936096822#jumptosection

The super jumbo bag is 235euro delivered in the Republic . Look at the size guide . The bag is 1.2m wide and 1.8m high . Thats a lot of logs. Plus it is not just oak . It is Ash, Beech, Oak and Sycamore all hardwood .

Interesting...anyone ordered this bag? Looks like good value compared to the 2m crates for 350?

lenscap · 24-09-2020 6:54pm

cathy427 wrote: »

Would you recommend these over kiln dried? Do they work out at much of a premium over kiln dried?

Also are you referring to the "rocket blaze" or the "blazing briquettes" or the "birch hardwood ruf briquettes"

The ones I recommend are the Rocket Blazers.

I have burned wood (and coal combination) in my stove since 2012. I have tried all the different type of sawdust logs I could buy and these rocket blazers are the best, IMO.

I have used timber logs from different guys and using a moisture meter but I gave up as the quality?moisture was inconsistent.

I tried kiln dried wood from a supplier in midlands and found it burned too quick, even with my stove controls.

For me the best value were the rocket blazers.

You can buy sample packs on the website and see for yourself.

codie · 24-09-2020 7:08pm

lenscap wrote: »

The ones I recommend are the Rocket Blazers.

I have burned wood (and coal combination) in my stove since 2012. I have tried all the different type of sawdust logs I could buy and these rocket blazers are the best, IMO.

I have used timber logs from different guys and using a moisture meter but I gave up as the quality?moisture was inconsistent.

I tried kiln dried wood from a supplier in midlands and found it burned too quick, even with my stove controls.

For me the best value were the rocket blazers.

You can buy sample packs on the website and see for yourself.

Can you put up a link

OmegaGene · 24-09-2020 9:09pm

codie wrote: »

Can you put up a link

Had a quick google out of curiosity

https://www.ecologs.ie/shop/eco-logs/rocket-blaze-wood-briquettes

Seems like a good deal on firewood....

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