Anti #MeToo letter defends men's right to 'steal a kiss'

Wombatman · 11-01-2018 8:22pm #1

More than 100 prominent French women from all walks of life caused a major stir this week after publishing an editorial in Le Monde, France’s newspaper of record, arguing that the recent backlash against sexual harassment had become a “witch hunt.” The signers included the 14-time Caesar Award nominee Catherine Deneuve, as well as Catherine Robbe-Grillet, a comedian that Vanity Fair once dubbed the country’s most famous dominatrix.

“Men have been punished… when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss,” the women write. “The haste to send the ‘pigs’ to the abattoir, far from liberating women, in reality serves the interests of the enemies of sexual liberty, the religious extremists, the worst reactionaries.” (The French equivalent of #MeToo is #BalanceTonPorc, or “squeal on your pig.”)

riffmongous · 11-01-2018 10:00pm

Wombatman wrote: »

More than 100 prominent French women from all walks of life caused a major stir this week after publishing an editorial in Le Monde, France’s newspaper of record, arguing that the recent backlash against sexual harassment had become a “witch hunt.” The signers included the 14-time Caesar Award nominee Catherine Deneuve, as well as Catherine Robbe-Grillet, a comedian that Vanity Fair once dubbed the country’s most famous dominatrix.

“Men have been punished… when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss,” the women write. “The haste to send the ‘pigs’ to the abattoir, far from liberating women, in reality serves the interests of the enemies of sexual liberty, the religious extremists, the worst reactionaries.” (The French equivalent of #MeToo is #BalanceTonPorc, or “squeal on your pig.”)

Hmm, she was also defending that rapist Polanski a few months ago..

Beefy78 · 11-01-2018 10:10pm

There's a joke in here somewhere about 'kissing frogs'

The_Valeyard · 11-01-2018 10:14pm

Beefy78 wrote: »

There's a joke in here somewhere about 'kissing frogs'

Disney told me they turn into Princes

alan partridge aha · 11-01-2018 10:15pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Hmm, she was also defending that rapist Polanski a few months ago..

Remember Meryl Streep

fatknacker · 11-01-2018 10:24pm

Says the society that cultured the likes of Pepe le Pew.

riffmongous · 11-01-2018 10:38pm

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Remember Meryl Streep

What a hypocrite

daithi1970 · 11-01-2018 10:38pm

Forward Volatility Agreement wrote: »

So long as it's not in the workplace, people should have the right to attempt to seduce. Once rejected however it's time to accept that rejection.

One man's attempted seduction may be someone else's assault..context and circustance is everything..

qwerty ui op · 11-01-2018 10:54pm

Deneuve has moved to the far right, she made a complete fool of herself lately on french radio.
She wants the right to feel wanted walking down the street but she's not going to be exercising that right in rough areas

Harry Palmr · 11-01-2018 11:31pm

This is why a bit of me admires the French, when not surrendering to the Germans they have a contrariness which can act as a break on group think. I'd sooner get lamped by a French woman for being "fresh" than listen to a hashtag obsessed Yank lecturing me about how evil I am.

qwerty ui op · 11-01-2018 11:41pm

This is about as popular in France as Lucinda Creighton was in Ireland

Wombatman · 11-01-2018 11:52pm

“The haste to send the ‘pigs’ to the abattoir, far from liberating women, in reality serves the interests of the enemies of sexual liberty, the religious extremists, the worst reactionaries.”

I find this argument interesting though. Could be on the road back to some kind of "Victorian morality"?

Assetbacked · 12-01-2018 12:04am

The citizens of the U.S. are in general stupid and over-simplify complex issues. They also are generally self-centered and vacuous. Over here on this side of the World we are not as simple as they are so where we can dismiss the MeToo publicity stunt for the drivel it is, they do not understand that we, as Europeans, do not reduce everything to black and white.

Irish Guitarist · 12-01-2018 12:10am

The thing about that #metoo nonsense is you can't label everything with one hashtag. There were women saying "I was raped #metoo" then some other idiot would say "someone in a car wolf whistled at me and called me babe #metoo". So not you too then as it's a completely different situation.

Realt Dearg Sec · 12-01-2018 12:25am

Assetbacked wrote: »

The citizens of the U.S. are in general stupid and over-simplify complex issues. They also are generally self-centered and vacuous. Over here on this side of the World we are not as simple as they are so where we can dismiss the MeToo publicity stunt for the drivel it is, they do not understand that we, as Europeans, do not reduce everything to black and white.

Jesus don't put your shoulder out patting yourself on the back so hard.

12-01-2018 12:33am

I don't know... I quite like the idea that some women aren't publicly (through the media or social media) seeking to label the male gender as rapists, perverts, or other negative behaviors. Makes quite a change from the last few months of media reports.

Vladimir Poontang · 12-01-2018 12:38am

Polanski is a hero in Hollywood. Remember that next time one of those vacuous ***** like Meryl Streep starts moralising.

Assetbacked · 12-01-2018 9:26am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Jesus don't put your shoulder out patting yourself on the back so hard.

Good response

Beta Ray Bill · 12-01-2018 9:59am

Look...

What man here hasn't thrown the washing machine at some young wan on a Boozy night out!?

professore · 12-01-2018 10:31am

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know... I quite like the idea that some women aren't publicly (through the media or social media) seeking to label the male gender as rapists, perverts, or other negative behaviors. Makes quite a change from the last few months of media reports.

Now that's sarcasm!

Ficheall · 12-01-2018 2:53pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

The thing about that #metoo nonsense is you can't label everything with one hashtag. There were women saying "I was raped #metoo" then some other idiot would say "someone in a car wolf whistled at me and called me babe #metoo". So not you too then as it's a completely different situation.

A friend of mine said to me while that metoo nonsense was at its peak that she had only had two instances that could possibly be called assault and "it makes you wonder if there's something wrong with you".
Which is a little bit terrifying.

bnt · 12-01-2018 4:41pm

Wombatman wrote: »

I find this argument interesting though. Could be on the road back to some kind of "Victorian morality"?

More like that scene early in The Handmaid's Tale, where

a man is accused of raping a pregnant woman, and is handed over to the handmaids. They kick and beat him to death. It's later revealed that the accusation was false and he was a captured rebel

.

Lollipops23 · 12-01-2018 4:57pm

Thing is, random men putting their hands on me without my say so does make me really feckin uncomfortable. It's not the same as rape or sexual assault, but it doesn't mean it's ok. No woman should have to put up with an overly touchy boss or men in bars. If this mass hysteria means it doesn't go on as much in the future, so be it.

Stonedpilot · 12-01-2018 5:08pm

Wombatman wrote: »

More than 100 prominent French women from all walks of life caused a major stir this week after publishing an editorial in Le Monde, France’s newspaper of record, arguing that the recent backlash against sexual harassment had become a “witch hunt.” The signers included the 14-time Caesar Award nominee Catherine Deneuve, as well as Catherine Robbe-Grillet, a comedian that Vanity Fair once dubbed the country’s most famous dominatrix.

“Men have been punished… when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss,” the women write. “The haste to send the ‘pigs’ to the abattoir, far from liberating women, in reality serves the interests of the enemies of sexual liberty, the religious extremists, the worst reactionaries.” (The French equivalent of #MeToo is #BalanceTonPorc, or “squeal on your pig.”)

Of course it's a witchhunt I mean have you noticed the Metoo campagin very conveniently ignores all the abuse by female pedophiles and perverts out there?. The bias is 100% against men what about female perverts?..

I mean the bias against men is so incredibly biased the media doesn't even report female pedophilia and female perverts.

Here's one lady speaking about female pedophiles to balance the scales a little. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cBSH1JI7Qs

Now be warned, for posting this the pitchforks and the witchhunt will be against you (and me!.) Batten down the hatches!.

Malayalam · 12-01-2018 5:11pm

Yeah but if every guy who ever tried to steal a kiss with any women ever in the past was to be labeled a sex fiend of some sort, almost all of my male friends and male family members would be labeled as sex fiends for their various sloppy, innocent and foolhardy erotic adventures over their lives, and that would make me some sort of a willing consorter with sex fiends, a harbourer of sex pests, and I don't like where that is going one bit .... Next thing I'll be accused of knowing all along, and not standing up for the sisterhood...and Oh My God...a hashtag will be named after me

Penn · 12-01-2018 5:28pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

The thing about that #metoo nonsense is you can't label everything with one hashtag. There were women saying "I was raped #metoo" then some other idiot would say "someone in a car wolf whistled at me and called me babe #metoo". So not you too then as it's a completely different situation.

The thing about the #metoo thing isn't that it was solely about rape or assault, but all forms of sexual harassment, even minor. It was to show how commonplace it is, how it happens to so many women in all industries. How it can happen when someone's trying just to chat up a woman but goes too far, but also as a woman or even young girl is just walking down the street, or sitting on a bus.

It wasn't just about rape or serious assault, but to show how so many women have put up with at least some form of unwanted sexual harassment in their daily lives.

jiltloop · 12-01-2018 5:30pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Thing is, random men putting their hands on me without my say so does make me really feckin uncomfortable. It's not the same as rape or sexual assault, but it doesn't mean it's ok. No woman should have to put up with an overly touchy boss or men in bars. If this mass hysteria means it doesn't go on as much in the future, so be it.

There's plenty of overly touchy females as well.

B.A._Baracus · 12-01-2018 5:32pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Thing is, random men putting their hands on me without my say so does make me really feckin uncomfortable. It's not the same as rape or sexual assault, but it doesn't mean it's ok. No woman should have to put up with an overly touchy boss or men in bars. If this mass hysteria means it doesn't go on as much in the future, so be it.

Out of curiosity how many men over here have done it?

chrissb8 · 12-01-2018 5:35pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

The citizens of the U.S. are in general stupid and over-simplify complex issues. They also are generally self-centered and vacuous. Over here on this side of the World we are not as simple as they are so where we can dismiss the MeToo publicity stunt for the drivel it is, they do not understand that we, as Europeans, do not reduce everything to black and white.

Bravo, well bloody put. There are shades of grey that Americans don't appreciate. They can be obsessed with being something or being labelled as something. I think Europe are just whatever just be.

Sexual harassment is a complex and big issue that can't be defined as you are or you aren't. I like Americans on an individual level (sometimes) but I think as a collective they are full of s***e.

I enjoy a good conversation with them about this stuff it kinda boggles them that someone could weigh up an argument with a balanced outlook and discuss a topic while respecting each others difference of opinion.

splinter65 · 12-01-2018 5:42pm

jiltloop wrote: »

There's plenty of overly touchy females as well.

There absolutely is.

Realt Dearg Sec · 12-01-2018 5:42pm

chrissb8 wrote: »

There are shades of grey that Americans don't appreciate.

irony, noun.

Anti #MeToo letter defends men's right to 'steal a kiss'

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