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Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

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  • #3202
    p_haugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Thrashssacre wrote: »
    Any word on changes to the 76/A when GAI take over? heard a couple of people mention route changes but they could be mixing it up with bus connects, route could certainly do with some tweaks suffers horrible at peak times with traffic and leaves people behind on the daily due to crush loadings. Even boarded one today before 4pm in clondalkin village and i was the last people let on.

    Probably won't hear anything until ~2 weeks before the changeover, the same as the other routes that switched over.

    So if they're changing on the 2nd Feb, we should hear around the 19th


  • #3203
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    cherryghost wrote: »
    Well theres a disrepancy in the Grifeen area. Bus just completely drives through it, was suggesting to link with the start of the 151 line, and then add stops on the Ballyowen road so that it links back up with the 25s. Wouldn't add too much time to a bus that I've never seen beyond 25% capacity.

    Its the NTA you'd need to be onto. GAI aren't involved in route design.


  • #3204
    stop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭stop


    Is the 18 not swapping in the next batch? Is it the last route to swap?


  • #3205
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    stop wrote: »
    Is the 18 not swapping in the next batch? Is it the last route to swap?

    Yes along with the 76/a which are meant to transfer on 10th February but this date could change


  • #3206
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Its the NTA you'd need to be onto. GAI aren't involved in route design.

    I contacted both. Only GAI bothered replying to me.


  • #3207
    Here we go
    Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭Here we go


    Could someone help me in a discussion with co worker. At induction we where told the driving hours where changed for city buses from 4 and a half to 5 and a half we where also told the max we could work is 90 hours in two weeks. My co worker has worked more then this and when I said that was against regs he said that was also changed but I can't find any proof of this other then his rota.


  • #3208
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Here we go wrote: »
    Could someone help me in a discussion with co worker. At induction we where told the driving hours where changed for city buses from 4 and a half to 5 and a half we where also told the max we could work is 90 hours in two weeks. My co worker has worked more then this and when I said that was against regs he said that was also changed but I can't find any proof of this other then his rota.

    See here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108432687&postcount=2661

    90 hours is still the max, it is set by an EU Regulation and can't be changed by domestic regulation.


  • #3209
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Here we go wrote: »
    Could someone help me in a discussion with co worker. At induction we where told the driving hours where changed for city buses from 4 and a half to 5 and a half we where also told the max we could work is 90 hours in two weeks. My co worker has worked more then this and when I said that was against regs he said that was also changed but I can't find any proof of this other then his rota.

    A wise man once said..."A verbal agreement ain't worth the paper it's not written on" and ne'er a truer word was ever spoken.

    Assuming you have been provided with a written and signed,contract of employment,then I would make that the first stop in any further investigation.

    I would strongly advise against Canteen/Cab/Footplate consultations with friendly co-workers and assorted other experts in a variety of the sciences.....It rarely ends well.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #3210
    RuleNumber6
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭RuleNumber6


    GM228 wrote: »
    See here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108432687&postcount=2661

    90 hours is still the max, it is set by an EU Regulation and can't be changed by domestic regulation.

    I agree this is set by EU law, but does the 90 hour across 2 weeks Driving limit not form part of the EU rules, governing routes of 50km route length or more?

    Local bus services under 50km are therefore not covered by this, same reason they are exempt from tachographs etc?


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  • #3211
    XPS_Zero
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭XPS_Zero


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    A wise man once said..."A verbal agreement ain't worth the paper it's not written on" and ne'er a truer word was ever spoken.

    Assuming you have been provided with a written and signed,contract of employment,then I would make that the first stop in any further investigation.

    I would strongly advise against Canteen/Cab/Footplate consultations with friendly co-workers and assorted other experts in a variety of the sciences.....It rarely ends well.


    Pub and canteen talk should always be dismissed outright, a few examples of things I've learned from pub and canteen talk over the last few years:


    -Asylum seekers get a house when they come into the country
    -You can get €500 a week on disability allowance
    -You can tell the GP you are depressed and they'll put you on disability
    -You can get a funeral grant to pay for the funeral even if you've had insurance: "no questions asked"
    -Social Welfare will pay for your electricity and heat bills and even (different person said your bins) when you're on rent subsidy or a council house.
    -The PSC and FT card has your fingerprints and DNA signature (I asked this person if they remember their prints being taken or getting a cheek swab during SAFE registration, they said no, so how can they have your prints or DNA?, I also pointed out to them that they've been to the US which means the US govt has their prints, so why is it ok for a foreign govt to have them but not yours?)




    I've watched as the introduction of smart phones and social media has meant much narrower attention spans and much bigger spread of misinformation, a deadly combination. People are too lazy to read enough to look up the actual information even though it's at their fingertips now more than ever (but involves some reading, TLDR! SNORE!) and when something pops up quickly on the screen that feeds an existing belief or emotional prejudice it's hoovered right up


    There is often a lot of nonsense going around about working condition laws and labour rights, I point out to people the laws not classified information acts of the oireachtas and ministerial orders are posted online and can be googled...but they don't wanna bother reading them it's hassle and ugh effort. They'll burn energy having a 20 min argument about it but not do 5 minutes of reading to resolve it. Having the correct info is boring LOLZ! Anyway I was watching love island.......Ok so I'm being a bit unfair...but not by much.


  • #3212
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭thomasj


    No timetables yet but statement on the TFI website about the next takover of routes next sunday. says timetables will be up early next week.
    https://www.transportforireland.ie/go-ahead-ireland/


  • #3213
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Summary of changes
    Route 17 Blackrock to Rialto via University College Dublin (UCD) & Dundrum
    Route 17 will continue to operate every half hour and serves the following key locations along its routing: Blackrock DART Station, UCD campus, Dundrum, Nutgrove, Terenure, Kimmage, Dolphin’s Barn and Rialto. There are additional morning peak departures on Monday to Friday and one additional morning and evening departure on Sundays.

    The routing of the service remains unchanged from that operated by Dublin Bus, however for clarity new route numbers have been introduced as follows:

    17 – Blackrock to Rialto Via UCD
    17C – Blackrock to Rialto Not Via UCD
    17D – Dundrum to Rialto

    Route 104 Clontarf DART Station to Dublin City University (DCU)
    Route 104 has a minor route change and will terminate at Clontarf DART Station rather than Clontarf Bus Garage.
    Route 104 will continue to serve the following key locations along its routing:

    Clontarf DART Station, Killester, Artane, Beaumont Hospital Campus, Shantalla Road, Collins Avenue and DCU Campus.

    The timetable has been re-designed to better integrate with Route 220.

    Route 114 Blackrock DART Station to Rockview
    The routing of Route 114 remains unchanged and some additional peak and off peak services have been added to the timetable with departures every forty minutes. In addition, a new Sunday service will also be introduced.

    The timetable has been re-designed to better integrate with DART Services at Blackrock DART Station.

    Route 114 serves the following key locations: Blackrock DART Station, UCD Smurfit, Newtownpark Avenue, Whites Cross, Sandyford Industrial Estate, Lambs Cross and Rockview.

    Route 161 Dundrum to Rockbrook
    The routing of the 161 remains unchanged, however the number of weekday departures has been doubled from 4 to 8.

    Route 161 serves the following key locations: Rockbrook, Ballyboden, Whitechurch, Marlay Park, Nutgrove and Dundrum Village and Luas.

    Route 220 Dublin City University (DCU) to Lady’s Well Road
    The routing of Route 220 remains unchanged apart from being extended from Ballymun to serve the DCU Campus.
    One journey per day will continue to operate via Coolmine Fire Station, this will be renumbered 220A for clarity.

    Route 220 operates hourly and serves the following key locations: DCU Campus, Ballymun, Finglas Village, Ballycoolin, National Aquatic Centre, Connolly Hospital Campus, Blanchardstown Shopping Centre and Lady’s Well Road.

    Route 236 Blanchardstown Shopping Centre to Damastown IBM
    Route 236 operates a Monday to Friday timetable and an additional 3 departures have been added to make a total of six departures in each direction. These three new services will be renumbered 236A to distinguish from its more direct routing between Tyrrelstown and Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.

    There is a slight change to the routing of Route 236 at Tyrrelstown Stop 6005. Plaza Apartments will now be served to match the routing of Route 238 in this area.

    Route 236 serves the following key locations: Blanchardstown Shopping Centre, National Aquatic Centre, Ballycoolin Business Park, Corporate Park, Cruise Park and Damastown IBM.

    Route 238 Lady’s Well Road to Tyrrelstown
    Route 238 will continue to operate an hourly service seven days a week.

    The routing of the 238 remains unchanged and serves the following key locations: Lady’s Well Road, Blanchardstown Shopping Centre, National Aquatic Centre, Corporate Park, Cruise Park and Tyrrelstown.

    Route 239 Blanchardstown Shopping Centre to Liffey Valley Shopping Centre
    Route 239 has an improved timetable. There will be additional departures with hourly weekday operations. Saturday service will commence operations earlier in the day and will run until later.

    The routing of the 239 remains unchanged and serves the following key locations: Blanchardstown Shopping Centre, Clonsilla Station, Lucan Village, Arthur Griffith Park, Castle Road, Fonthill Retail Park and Liffey Valley Shopping Centre.

    Route 270 Dunboyne to Blanchardstown Shopping Centre
    Route 270 will continue to operate hourly Monday to Friday, Saturday and Sunday. There have been a few minor timetable changes to better integrate with Dublin Bus Route 70 between Dunboyne and Littlepace. Two additional services in each direction have been added on Sunday mornings.

    The routing of Route 270 remains unchanged and serves the following key locations: Dunboyne Village, Dunboyne Station, Clonee Village, Littlepace and Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.


  • #3214
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    No mention of the 17 journies on Saturdays that serve Vicent's Hospital are these being kept or gotten rid of I wonder? Also why are they using 17c and 17d but not 17b is 17b reserved for a variant of the 17a. Personally I think the 17a should given a different number as it has no connection with the 17.


  • #3215
    TheChrisD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    devnull wrote: »
    however for clarity new route numbers have been introduced as follows

    That has got to be the complete opposite, reducing clarity by getting people confused now that both north and southside 17 routes have letters. Time to renumber the northside 17A.
    devnull wrote: »
    There have been a few minor timetable changes to better integrate with Dublin Bus Route 70 between Dunboyne and Littlepace.

    More nonsense. Dunboyne-Littlepace journeys aren't that frequent nor have that much demand to remove the 270's old clockwork timetable.
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  • #3216
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    A thorough re-design of the timetable for the 114 when aligned with the DART sounds good to me. Also the confirmation of a new Sunday service is very encouraging to increase demand of the route on the weekends. The biggest changes needed on the timetable are the M-F evening peak times because they are currently woeful when they depart Blackrock DART Station with Dublin Bus.

    I cannot understand though what's the purpose of the 17 when it's going to be split up to 3 separate route numbers by GAI. It going to make a lot of the passengers confused when the timetable is released online soon. I don't what the reaction from it's passengers will be if the route to St Vincent's Hospital is not featured in the new timetable. The frequency of the 47 at the current time is not great for passengers to use at any time of the day. I think the best thing most people can do when the new 17 timetable is released is to get off the 17 at the UCD Flyover & walk down along the N11 past RTÉ down to St Vincent's Hosp.

    The only thing is that if you're elderly & use the 17 to/from St Vincent's Hosp. Your only choice then is getting a bus from Blackrock down to/from the Hospital.


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  • #3217
    obby1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭obby1


    GA's failure to recruit drivers has meant DB have had to hold onto the 18 route, this has forced the delay of the much need 155 along the stillorgan road.


  • #3218
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    A thorough re-design of the timetable for the 114 when aligned with the DART sounds good to me. Also the confirmation of a new Sunday service is very encouraging to increase demand of the route on the weekends. The biggest changes needed on the timetable are the M-F evening peak times because they are currently woeful when they depart Blackrock DART Station with Dublin Bus.

    I cannot understand though what's the purpose of the 17 when it's going to be split up to 3 separate route numbers by GAI. It going to make a lot of the passengers confused when the timetable is released online soon. I don't what the reaction from it's passengers will be if the route to St Vincent's Hospital is not featured in the new timetable. The frequency of the 47 at the current time is not great for passengers to use at any time of the day. I think the best thing most people can do when the new 17 timetable is released is to get off the 17 at the UCD Flyover & walk down along the N11 past RTÉ down to St Vincent's Hosp.

    The only thing is that if you're elderly use the 17 to St Vincent's Hosp. Your only choice then is getting a bus from Blackrock down to the Hospital.

    I think the 114 will benefit from having a consistent hourly service throughout the course of the day as there are a number of gaps in the timetable over the course of the day where the service has a worse than hourly frequency eg there is a bus at 12:10 but the next one isn't until 1:30 a 1hr20 gap also the last bus is at 9:30 as opposed to 11:30.

    17d appears to be reserved for short workings to Dundrum these appear to be something new to the 17 timetable so perhaps it's similar to city centre short working being marked as c eg the 14c. It does seem a bit confusing alright but also over the last number of months the 17 has been unable to use the Owenstown Park entrance to UCD meaning it has to loop back around on the N11 this seems like something that must cost time on the journey.

    I don't know if there's a good reason for it but what's the point on the 17 terminating at Vincent's as it's only once a week a Saturdays that seems pretty useless to most people who'd need to use the hospital. Also most hospital appointments would be during the week so why do this diversion on Saturdays?


  • #3219
    p_haugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    No mention of the 17 journies on Saturdays that serve Vicent's Hospital are these being kept or gotten rid of I wonder? Also why are they using 17c and 17d but not 17b is 17b reserved for a variant of the 17a. Personally I think the 17a should given a different number as it has no connection with the 17.

    The stops that the 17 serves on the route to Vincent's all have the new TFI bus flag on them. As well as this, there is routes marked for St. Vincent's on the journey planner.

    They obviously haven't mentioned it in the press release but it should still be operating.


  • #3220
    p_haugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    obby1 wrote: »
    GA's failure to recruit drivers has meant DB have had to hold onto the 18 route, this has forced the delay of the much need 155 along the stillorgan road.

    Where'd you hear this from?


  • #3221
    obby1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭obby1


    p_haugh wrote: »
    Where'd you hear this from?

    talking to a 145 driver i know, the stillorgan road is a mess, needs extra buses, the 155 was supposed to be launched 20 jan, but has been put back as GA can't take on the 18 as dont have enough drivers


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  • #3222
    p_haugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    obby1 wrote: »
    talking to a 145 driver i know, the stillorgan road is a mess, needs extra buses, the 155 was supposed to be launched 20 jan, but has been put back as GA can't take on the 18 as dont have enough drivers

    Well if that's the case lets hope it doesn't get delayed by too long


  • #3223
    xper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭xper


    Route 17 Blackrock to Rialto via University College Dublin (UCD) & Dundrum
    Route 17 will continue to operate every half hour and serves the following key locations along its routing: Blackrock DART Station, UCD campus, Dundrum, Nutgrove, Terenure, Kimmage, Dolphin’s Barn and Rialto. There are additional morning peak departures on Monday to Friday and one additional morning and evening departure on Sundays.
    This is extremely disappointing if true and nothing like the increased frequency touted a couple of pages back. The late evening and Sunday service on this route is a joke. Has there been a scale back of plans due to lack of drivers or something?


  • #3224
    SG317
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭SG317


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    No mention of the 17 journies on Saturdays that serve Vicent's Hospital are these being kept or gotten rid of I wonder? Also why are they using 17c and 17d but not 17b is 17b reserved for a variant of the 17a. Personally I think the 17a should given a different number as it has no connection with the 17.

    There is a notice on stop 2086 along Nutley Lane, that from January 20th 2019 route 17 will no longer serve St. Vincent's Hospital, and that it will be operated by Go Ahead Ireland. Also I suspect that the 17D buses, will perhaps be interworked with the 161 and thus this is the reason for the new 17D.


  • #3225
    p_haugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    SG317 wrote: »
    There is a notice on stop 2086 along Nutley Lane, that from January 20th 2019 route 17 will no longer serve St. Vincent's Hospital, and that it will be operated by Go Ahead Ireland. Also I suspect that the 17D buses, will perhaps be interworked with the 161 and thus this is the reason for the new 17D.

    Must have been a last minute decision as they've had the TFI Bus flag on those stops since the start of December.


  • #3226
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    obby1 wrote: »
    talking to a 145 driver i know, the stillorgan road is a mess, needs extra buses, the 155 was supposed to be launched 20 jan, but has been put back as GA can't take on the 18 as dont have enough drivers

    The 18 has been penciled in for some time to launch as part of the last phase of the transfer, along with the 76 and 76A which takes place on the 10th February.

    This schedule has been in place since at least mid November, possibly before.


  • #3227
    KD345
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭KD345


    xper wrote: »
    This is extremely disappointing if true and nothing like the increased frequency touted a couple of pages back. The late evening and Sunday service on this route is a joke. Has there been a scale back of plans due to lack of drivers or something?

    The NTA Journey Planner this morning still shows an increased frequency for the 17 starting on Sunday January 20th. There are 28 departures from Blackrock showing for Sunday January 20th up from the current 8. The number of weekday departures is over 40 with a 20 minute frequency for parts of the day. If things have changed then it hasn’t been altered on the planner.
    We’ll have to wait until timetables are published to be sure.


  • #3228
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    devnull wrote: »
    The 18 has been penciled in for some time to launch as part of the last phase of the transfer, along with the 76 and 76A which takes place on the 2nd February.

    This schedule has been in place since at least mid November, possibly before.

    10th February not the 2nd is the correct date.


  • #3229
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    10th February not the 2nd is the correct date.

    Yeah, thinking 2nd, 2nd month, my bad, thanks!


  • #3230
    StreetLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    10th February not the 2nd is the correct date.

    Don't be surprised to see even further slippage on that date.


  • #3231
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    xper wrote: »
    This is extremely disappointing if true and nothing like the increased frequency touted a couple of pages back. The late evening and Sunday service on this route is a joke. Has there been a scale back of plans due to lack of drivers or something?

    I think it has to be asked why Go-Ahead are struggling to get drivers over here in Ireland. I know wages are a fairly big factor as they are lower compared to DB but I don't think it's by a whole lot much also even DB have struggled to get drivers too despite being perceived to pay higher wages than GAI.

    However over in England and specifically London there appears to be no shortage of people applying for bus driver roles. I get the general impression that the reason for this is because the quality of applicant that's accepted is a whole lot lower over in the UK than here in Ireland.

    I have read for example that many people applying for bus driver jobs in London are given nearly more than 5 opportunities to pass their PCV driving test whereas the likes of DB will only give two. Also I get the general impression that London bus drivers are of a lower standard than over here as many appear to be not great drivers and have poor interpersonal skills and in some cases a poor grasp of the English language. I'd imagine for example that Garda vetting takes a lot of time and is effecting recruitment times badly something I don't really view as all that nessecary myself.


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  • #3232
    john boye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭john boye


    We've heard the same lack of drivers guff from the same people before every round of the changeover. It's just tiresome now.


  • #3233
    Stevek101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Stevek101


    Hiring close to 20 drivers a week, before the last phase.


  • #3234
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Stevek101 wrote: »
    Hiring close to 20 drivers a week, before the last phase.

    I do believe there is an issue with Garda vetting taking a while to come through so not nessecarily a recruitment issue 6 weeks or so. I don't really see why bus drivers have to be Garda vetted as they are not specifically working with children for example retail or service workers come into contact with children but don't need Garda vetting unless they're in security. I don't know if drivers in other jurisdictions have to be vetted such as in the UK.


  • #3235
    obby1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭obby1


    john boye wrote: »
    We've heard the same lack of drivers guff from the same people before every round of the changeover. It's just tiresome now.

    Well here is something that will shock you to the core!!!!
    The GA drivers are just like everyone else, shock horror, you could even be bold and strike up a conversation with them, they won't bite, just ask them whats the story with the routes they are currently operating and the routes coming in the future.
    Stunning results are they are friendly and will answer your questions, now those on here posting could be anyone, but i believe it when i hear it coming out of the mouth of a man wearing a GA uniform and who is driving one of their buses.
    So you task for the coming week is to pluck up the courage and turn off you PC and go out into the real word and interact with a GA driver, you will find they are willing to answer polite questions and give you a look behind the curtain if you ask nicely.


  • #3236
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Folks , if you want a clearer idea of the new timetables were talking about, my suggestion would be to download or open the transport for Ireland journey planner app.

    In the timetable online there is a mix of Dublin bus and go ahead services that would confuse people. On the app, you can filter the timetable results to have just go ahead.

    In settings (top right) deselect the non bus modes of transport and also Dublin bus so you should be left with all other buses selected . In the maximum walk time cut down to 5 minutes. Untick The alternative stops box . Go back to the search page now.

    In the from and to boxes enter the stop number of the 2 terminus stops (first and last). A list will come up and you should see the stop in question .

    In the date field I'd say select a February date (the app shows the days and dates) and then put in a time of 05:00 or 06:00 and search . It will bring back the first 4 buses after that time.

    There is a later button at the top right . Clicking that will expand the list. Keep clicking the button until the last bus to get an idea of the timetable .


  • #3237
    p_haugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Was on the 145 going by the top of Nutley Lane a while ago and saw the stop for the 17 from Vincent's was back to a normal DB stop flag. Earlier in December the same stop had the TFI flag on it, so it was either a last minute timetable change or that they put it up by accident?

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  • #3238
    john boye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭john boye


    obby1 wrote: »
    Well here is something that will shock you to the core!!!!
    The GA drivers are just like everyone else, shock horror, you could even be bold and strike up a conversation with them, they won't bite, just ask them whats the story with the routes they are currently operating and the routes coming in the future.
    Stunning results are they are friendly and will answer your questions, now those on here posting could be anyone, but i believe it when i hear it coming out of the mouth of a man wearing a GA uniform and who is driving one of their buses.
    So you task for the coming week is to pluck up the courage and turn off you PC and go out into the real word and interact with a GA driver, you will find they are willing to answer polite questions and give you a look behind the curtain if you ask nicely.

    I really shouldn't bite but.... Last night you said you heard it from a 145 driver you "know". Works for both does he?


  • #3239
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Honestly what the point on sending the 17 to Vincent's as it was only on Saturdays?


  • #3240
    ITV2
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭ITV2


    It never picked anyone up on it.


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  • #3241
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    ITV2 wrote: »
    It never picked anyone up on it.

    Also remember they tried to extend the 18 up to UCD via Vincent's.


  • #3242
    obby1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭obby1


    john boye wrote: »
    I really shouldn't bite but.... Last night you said you heard it from a 145 driver you "know". Works for both does he?

    whats hard to understand?
    i know a DB driver, is that strange or unusual?
    i was talking to a GA driver on a bus that i was travelling on, is that strange or unusual?


  • #3243
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    obby1 wrote: »
    i was talking to a GA driver on a bus that i was travelling on, is that strange or unusual?

    I hope you weren't talking to the driver while the bus was in motion :)


  • #3244
    obby1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭obby1


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I hope you weren't talking to the driver while the bus was in motion :)

    Terminus, waiting for ii to start its journey, nothing nefarious


  • #3245
    RuleNumber6
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭RuleNumber6


    john boye wrote: »
    We've heard the same lack of drivers guff from the same people before every round of the changeover. It's just tiresome now.

    Absolutely agree. Every time there is a rumor of dates changing there are always claims that GA can’t get drivers.

    The fact is, they stopped advertising for drivers months ago on their website. Why would any company short of people stop advertising on their own website?


  • #3246
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    When are they going to start delivering SGs to DB in TFI livery as they are now getting 191 deliveries in DB livery only difference is they have large TFI which are the same as the ones on GAI buses.


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  • #3247
    john boye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭john boye


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    When are they going to start delivering SGs to DB in TFI livery as they are now getting 191 deliveries in DB livery only difference is they have large TFI which are the same as the ones on GAI buses.

    The new direct award contract doesn't start till December I think, possibly then?


  • #3248
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    john boye wrote: »
    The new direct award contract doesn't start till December I think, possibly then?

    Yes but the current direct award allows the NTA to change the colour scheme of vehicles used in the Dublin contract. Only genuine reason I see is that people will confuse DB buses for GAI ones or vice versa and complain to the wrong company as the NTA have done a woeful job so far of integrating the two services with separate websites, helplines etc.


  • #3249
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Saw a GAI ex DB SG being hitched up to a Statewide tow truck today in DL.


  • #3250
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    Timetables should be out from Thursday


  • #3251
    p_haugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    ax586 wrote: »
    Timetables should be out from Thursday

    You mean Tuesday? Because Thursdays very late to be putting up timetables for routes that are changing over on Sunday.


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