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Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

  • 09-08-2019 12:57pm
    #1
    [Deleted User]
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    This is really bad for Biden. The fact he is the frontrunner says a lot about the state of the Democrats. Sanders is too old and too far left. Harris was destroyed in the last debate. The only one who looks half decent is Elizabeth Warren.

    Trump will easily beat "Sleepy Joe" now in 2020.
    After a pause, during which a few people clapped, Mr Biden added: “Wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids....think how we think about it.”

    The 76-year-old is currently the Democratic frontrunner but has a history of making distracting gaffes.

    In the last few months he has come under scrutiny for allegedly hugging and touching women in an inappropriate manner.

    He has also been criticised for joking about the controversy.

    The former vice president has since been attacked for suggesting it was acceptable to mock a “gay waiter” five years ago and for fondly recalling his friendly relationship with a segregationist former senator.

    The latter remarks, in which Mr Biden discussed working with James O Eastland, prompted fury in Democratic ranks.

    Kamala Harris and Cory Booker were among those who criticised the 76-year-old’s comments about Mr Eastland.

    “I do not believe you are a racist. And I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground,” Ms Harris said to the former vice president, during the second Democratic debate.

    “But I also believe – and it’s personal, and it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations and careers on the segregation of race in this country.”

    A wave of Democratic candidates are scheduled to visit the Iowa State Fair this weekend.

    The crucial Iowa caucuses, the first contest of the campaign trail, will be held in February 2020.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/joe-biden-iowa-democratic-primary-gaffes-race-campaign-us-election-a9047856.html


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  • #2
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,791 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Hard to decide if he is this election's Jeb Bush or John Kerry.


  • #3
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Trump has set the bar very low given his pussy and other comments.

    Biden seems very acceptable in comparison.


  • #4
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Trump has set the bar very low given his pussy and other comments.

    Biden seems very acceptable in comparison.

    Are you sure about that? Check up 'Creepy Uncle Joe' on YouTube.


  • #5
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,729 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Sure Elizabeth Warren can claim to be the first Native American President.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #6
    14dMoney
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Trump has set the bar very low given his pussy and other comments.

    Biden seems very acceptable in comparison.

    Not really. People expect it from Trump, not from a career politician.


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  • #7
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Are you sure about that? Check up 'Creepy Uncle Joe' on YouTube.
    No great shining stars on the Dem's side this time out and if YouTube is the extent of your view of the world I'd say you really need to find a new source.


  • #8
    Vince135792003
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,045 ✭✭✭Vince135792003


    He made a speech following the shootings which I thought was very strong and it got alot of coverage. He came across presidential but November 2020 is a long way away yet. I think he does have a likeability factor and seems very genuine when speaking about loss.

    But, in debate situations and discussing policy detail he is below par.

    Along with his verbal gaffes and his long political record that is open for scrutiny though he's far from a sure thing.


  • #9
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    14dMoney wrote: »
    Not really. People expect it from Trump, not from a career politician.
    That all depends on the US voters and in a Biden-Trump race he'd still be in with a decent shout.


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Throwing out labels like "Sleepy Joe" reminds one of a belligerent in a playground. If this coarse piffle doesn't galvanise his voter base, then victimhood isn't far behind.


  • #11
    BloodBath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    I know Sanders is an old man at this stage but surely he's the best thing the Dems have to offer and has been for a long time.

    An imbecile could fix the US problems. Cut military spending by at least 50%, put the money into health and education and anything else that needs more funds.

    It's amazing how many Americans would be against this though. The level of brainwashing is up there with North Korea. Against spending their tax dollars for socialist programs that benefit society massively but are fine with blowing it on the military.

    What benefit to society is all of this military spending?, outside of job creation, which would also happen by putting the funds into other areas. At least they got to blow up a few hundred nukes in the 50's which increased the radiation levels in every living organism on the planet by 30%. USA USA USA!!!

    discretionary_spending_pie%2C_2015_enacted_large.png


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  • #12
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    It's hard to say. They'll accept the likes of Trump but hold the like of Biden to a higher bar. Trump's advantage is he can be as dirty and crooked as he likes. It's almost accepted at this stage, whereas every other candidate is held to a higher level. Basically they all need play by a different rule book than Trump, who's separated children from parents, caged children, the pussy comments, the racism, the divisive rhetoric etc. And what, Biden might be racially incentive? Saunders wanting to give too much to the American people?


  • #13
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    End of Biden? Nah. This is ‘we’ll have to settle election” for Democrats… like Kerry was in 2004 and McCain was for the GOP in 2008. Sadly, crazy uncle Joe just comes off as too old and hasn’t been able to shine in live debates anymore. It will be a close election regardless as the democrats could run a sack of potatoes and start off with 212 electoral college votes in the election [California (55), New York (29), Illinois (20), Michigan (16), New Jersey (14), Washington (12), Massachusetts (11), Maryland (10), Minnesota (10), Oregon (7), Connecticut (7), Hawaii (4), Maine (4), Rhode Island (4), Delaware (3), Vermont (3), as well as Washington, D.C. (3)]. 270 votes is need to win. If the economy stays relatively strong and unemployment low Trump should win reelection by a narrow margin... but as 2016 has proven anything is possible and age old formulas don't always count.

    I still can't wrap my head around who he would pick as a running mate but it is sure to be a woman to counter his 'creepy' image.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #14
    odyssey06
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    It's hard to say. They'll accept the likes of Trump but hold the like of Biden to a higher bar. Trump's advantage is he can be as dirty and crooked as he likes...

    I don't think Trump would have won the Democratic nomination though, which is what Biden is chasing! And you'd have to be lacking some sort of base radar to think that now is a good time to make comments about good times with a segregationist senator.

    If a Republican candidate made same comments, probably wouldn't even raise a headline.
    Republicans would have different tripwires, e.g. Trump pivoting to pro-life.

    Are they holding Biden to a higher bar than Bill Clinton? The 'Creepy Uncle Joe' thing seems to pale in comparison... so it could be just mud slinging by rivals for the democratic nomination trying to use any angle to gain an advantage.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #15
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,149 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    notobtuse wrote: »
    End of Biden? Nah. This is ‘we’ll have to settle election” for Democrats… like Kerry was in 2004 and McCain was for the GOP in 2008. Sadly, crazy uncle Joe just comes off as too old and hasn’t been able to shine in live debates anymore. It will be a close election regardless as the democrats could run a sack of potatoes and start off with 212 electoral college votes in the election [California (55), New York (29), Illinois (20), Michigan (16), New Jersey (14), Washington (12), Massachusetts (11), Maryland (10), Minnesota (10), Oregon (7), Connecticut (7), Hawaii (4), Maine (4), Rhode Island (4), Delaware (3), Vermont (3), as well as Washington, D.C. (3)]. 270 votes is need to win. If the economy stays relatively strong and unemployment low Trump should win reelection by a narrow margin... but as 2016 has proven anything is possible and age old formulas don't always count.

    Just curious, what would say is the Republican starting position with regard to electoral college votes?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #16
    James Brown
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    I think Trump will go low with the nicknames and such who ever the Dems pick. It's like dealing with a brat, you need be the adult. I think Biden has the best chance but again, he doesn't instill any sense of progress or a better U.S.. Just another old school Dem. The U.S. really needs some fresh minds. Bernie is already labelled as too socialist. The greatest achievement of the American right was making looking after the working man seem like a bad thing.


  • #17
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Thread pretty much already exists, with mentions of Creepy Joe galore.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057893861

    Another 4yr of the Donald is the most likely scenario anyway,
    Yang (outsider) is the only quality contendor, but too many egos block the way.


  • #18
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Just curious, what would say is the Republican starting position with regard to electoral college votes?
    I’d guess 101-157. For sure Texas (38), Alabama (9), South Carolina (9), Oklahoma (7), Mississippi (6), Utah (6), Kansas (6), Nebraska (4), Idaho (4), South Dakota (3), North Dakota (3), Alaska (3), and Wyoming (3). On the fence with Georgia (16), North Carolina (15), Arizona (11), Indiana (11), and Montana (3).

    The real battlegrounds will be Pennsylvania (my state), Florida and Wisconsin. In Pennsylvania, if it wasn't for Philadelphia and Pittsburgh the state would be solid Trump.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #19
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No great shining stars on the Dem's side this time out and if YouTube is the extent of your view of the world I'd say you really need to find a new source.

    I've been long aware of Bidens proclivities for touching up and feeling up very young children as well as adults.
    It's been common knowledge for many years


  • #20
    Harvey Weinstein
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    What's most telling about creepy uncle Joe is the fact that some liberals are perfectly willing to let such disturbing behaviour around children slide which says it all about their supposed moral compass


  • #21
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    The stupidsphere makes far too much over Biden’s supposed creepiness. He’s old school and originally from my parts (and hour up the pike). Everyone of that age had a relative who was know for touching and affection in a innocent and non-threatening way. Yeah, times change and Biden has a problem with letting go of the past, but I really believe he means nothing by it.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • #22
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    odyssey06 wrote: »

    Are they holding Biden to a higher bar than Bill Clinton? The 'Creepy Uncle Joe' thing seems to pale in comparison... so it could be just mud slinging by rivals for the democratic nomination trying to use any angle to gain an advantage.

    The Clinton stuff came out after he was elected.


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    The stupidsphere makes far too much over Biden’s supposed creepiness. He’s old school and originally from my parts (and hour up the pike). Everyone of that age had a relative who was know for touching and affection in a innocent and non-threatening way. Yeah, times change and Biden has a problem with letting go of the past, but I really believe he means nothing by it.

    You can make the exact same argument about Trump's Grab em by the pussy comment... Clearly a joke comment about how some women will let rich men do anything they want to them, which is objectively true. 50 shades of grey is basically a book about this.

    Always surprises me how people hold people to different standards if they are on their side or not.


  • #24
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can make the exact same argument about Trump's Grab em by the pussy comment... Clearly a joke comment about how some women will let rich men do anything they want to them, which is objectively true. 50 shades of grey is basically a book about this.

    Always surprises me how people hold people to different standards if they are on their side or not.
    I'm hardcore Republican.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #25
    tipptom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Ive seen the montage of videos a while back of Biden and the photo opps.
    Not sure what to make of it,is it an old man just been like an old person with kids like they use to be able to be with kids or is it more sinister.

    If its the latter then you have a paedophile running for POTUS?


  • #26
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Sanders/Warren is the best ticket by a country mile, and if either of them win the Democrat nomination I can absolutely see the other being the running mate because they're close friends.

    You can even see it in the last debate. Neither were interested in slinging mud against the other.

    Wouldn't be at all surprised if Trump won against them, but he'd definitely beat Biden in my opinion.


  • #27
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,149 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The Clinton stuff came out after he was elected.

    After he was elected President yes but his approval ratings on leaving office suggest Democrats (and much of the wider country) didn't care about it one way or another.
    Even as far out as 2012 he was still being feted at Democratic National Convention. It's only lately he is being distanced.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #28
    Yurt2
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    BloodBath wrote: »
    I know Sanders is an old man at this stage but surely he's the best thing the Dems have to offer and has been for a long time.

    An imbecile could fix the US problems. Cut military spending by at least 50%, put the money into health and education and anything else that needs more funds.

    It's amazing how many Americans would be against this though. The level of brainwashing is up there with North Korea. Against spending their tax dollars for socialist programs that benefit society massively but are fine with blowing it on the military.

    What benefit to society is all of this military spending?, outside of job creation, which would also happen by putting the funds into other areas. At least they got to blow up a few hundred nukes in the 50's which increased the radiation levels in every living organism on the planet by 30%. USA USA USA!!!

    discretionary_spending_pie%2C_2015_enacted_large.png

    I'd tend towards agreeing with you but the US military is a major employer of poorer demographics and minorities in America. If there was swinging cuts to the military budget, the cuts will come on the manpower end of things. Lockheed Martin and BAE systems' lobbyists will still ensure they get their lucrative contracts. There probably isn't enough Taco Bell and Walmart jobs to go around for those that would be made redundant.

    These folks get extremely good training while in uniform and an education via the GI Bill.

    There is also the unfortunate reality that the US military maintains the peace and balance of power in critical areas of the world, most particularly East-Asia.


  • #29
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    BloodBath wrote: »
    . . . .An imbecile could fix the US problems. Cut military spending by at least 50%, put the money into health and education and anything else that . . .

    Only someone willing to die for their cause would dare cut the military industrial complex (MIC), the last time there was significant resistance against that military was doing the 1960s and 70s over the Vietnam war compulsory draft. My own pet theory is the 9/11 attacks in 2001 were permitted (not planned) by the MIC in response to the post cold war cutbacks, the Anthrax attacks definitely originated from within MIC and seemed to have been aimed at silencing any opposition to the Patriot act. If you ask the question Cui bono? from the events of 2001 - clearly the MIC did.


    The MIC is embedded within the media and various "think tanks" so any American president (or presidential candidate) who wants to take this on will need the support of the population at large. The current anti-war candidate is Tulsi Gabbard, in previous years Ron Paul on the Republican got pushed down the memory hole where he started getting any traction.


    The Empire Is Coming for Tulsi Gabbard

    Tulsi Gabbard Pushes No War Agenda – and the Media Is out to Kill Her Chances


    Colbert Smears Tulsi Gabbard To Her Face While Telling Zero Jokes
    Hawaii Congresswoman and Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard recently appeared on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, where instead of the light, jokey banter about politics and who she is as a person that Democratic presidential candidates normally encounter on late night comedy programs, the show’s host solemnly ran down a list of textbook beltway smears against Gabbard and made her defend them in front of his audience.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0jnKb8MDks



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  • #30
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,149 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I think that chart on spending priorities is a bit of a distortion of what tax dollars are spent where. It looks like 54% of US tax spend is on military.
    But the spending on healthcare by US states is larger than the federal government military budget... The US spends 3.2% of GDP on military, which does not seem an unreasonable amount.

    Even the figures for Federal spending look dodgy:
    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-much-does-federal-government-spend-health-care
    The federal government spent nearly $1.1 trillion on health care in fiscal year 2018. Of that, Medicare claimed roughly $583 billion, Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) about $399 billion, and veterans’ medical care about $70 billion.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #31
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Only someone willing to die for their cause would dare cut the military industrial complex (MIC), the last time there was significant resistance against that military was doing the 1960s and 70s over the Vietnam war compulsory draft. My own pet theory is the 9/11 attacks in 2001 were permitted (not planned) by the MIC in response to the post cold war cutbacks, the Anthrax attacks definitely originated from within MIC and seemed to have been aimed at silencing any opposition to the Patriot act. If you ask the question Cui bono? from the events of 2001 - clearly the MIC did.


    The MIC is embedded within the media and various "think tanks" so any American president (or presidential candidate) who wants to take this on will need the support of the population at large. The current anti-war candidate is Tulsi Gabbard, in previous years Ron Paul on the Republican got pushed down the memory hole where he started getting any traction.


    The Empire Is Coming for Tulsi Gabbard

    Tulsi Gabbard Pushes No War Agenda – and the Media Is out to Kill Her Chances


    Colbert Smears Tulsi Gabbard To Her Face While Telling Zero Jokes

    Gabbard seems far and away the best and sanest candidate for the Democrats, which is why there's no chance of her getting the nomination. Same with Sanders last time, whom had to be shafted in order to get him off the ticket.
    The irony being that Sanders in 2016 and Gabbard in 2020 would be most likely to beat Trump and most likely to siphon a large proportion of Trump voters.


  • #32
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    I've been long aware of Bidens proclivities for touching up and feeling up very young children as well as adults.
    It's been common knowledge for many years
    Some people call it touchy-feely and apart from him not being related to people there are no prosecutions for him "feeling" anyone up. Post #MeToo anything sticks. He'll be at the Dems convention anyway.


  • #33
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Gabbard seems far and away the best and sanest candidate for the Democrats, which is why there's no chance of her getting the nomination. Same with Sanders last time, whom had to be shafted in order to get him off the ticket.
    The irony being that Sanders in 2016 and Gabbard in 2020 would be most likely to beat Trump and most likely to siphon a large proportion of Trump voters.

    Sanders beating Trump in 2016 is really the subject of conjecture and it is unlikely since American voters would hear the words "raise your taxes" and reject him - remember there is no such thing as a free meal and that's what Sanders was promising, even Clinton pushed for new taxes. Trump was able to carry the election by tapping into the distrust of Washington and if he does not do anything radically stupid he will likely take 2020 as well, in what could be a rerun of the 1968 campaign.


    Is the Left Playing with Fire Again?
    Patrick Buchanan, February 14, 2017

    To those who lived through that era that tore us apart in the '60s and '70s, it is starting to look like "deja vu all over again."

    <snip>
    His presidency broken by Vietnam and the riots, LBJ decided not to run again. Vice President Humphrey's chances were ruined by the violent protests at his Chicago convention, which were broken up by the club-wielding cops of Democratic Mayor Richard J. Daley.

    Race riots in the cities, student riots on campus, and that riot of radicals in Chicago helped deliver America to Richard Nixon.


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  • #34
    is_that_so
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Sanders beating Trump in 2016 is really the subject of conjecture and it is unlikely since American voters would hear the words "raise your taxes" and reject him - remember there is no such thing as a free meal and that's what Sanders was promising, even Clinton pushed for new taxes. Trump was able to carry the election by tapping into the distrust of Washington and if he does not do anything radically stupid he will likely take 2020 as well, in what could be a rerun of the 1968 campaign.


    Is the Left Playing with Fire Again?
    Patrick Buchanan, February 14, 2017
    Until the field clears down to 5-6 we just won't know where they are going to go. I think the Bernie adventure will run out of steam.


  • #35
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Until the field clears down to 5-6 we just won't know where they are going to go. I think the Bernie adventure will run out of steam.

    It already has. Warren is currently running second to Biden for the nomination. He’s at 29 cents and she’s at 24 cents on Predictit. Other contenders are at 14 cents and lower. She could become a vice-presidential nominee or a presidential nominee.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #36
    Reisers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Reisers


    Yurt! wrote: »
    I'd tend towards agreeing with you but the US military is a major employer of poorer demographics and minorities in America. If there was swinging cuts to the military budget, the cuts will come on the manpower end of things. Lockheed Martin and BAE systems' lobbyists will still ensure they get their lucrative contracts. There probably isn't enough Taco Bell and Walmart jobs to go around for those that would be made redundant.

    These folks get extremely good training while in uniform and an education via the GI Bill.

    There is also the unfortunate reality that the US military maintains the peace and balance of power in critical areas of the world, most particularly East-Asia.

    You could argue the dictators were doing the above before the US intervened.


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  • #37
    MrFresh
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    If the "Creepy Joe" narrative is being pushed on a Friday I presume there will be something about Trump and young girls coming out in the next day or two.


  • #38
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    It already has. Warren is currently running second to Biden for the nomination. He’s at 29 cents and she’s at 24 cents on Predictit. Other contenders are at 14 cents and lower. She could become a vice-presidential nominee or a presidential nominee.
    Physically I mean! These "debates" are a distraction and a circus. I think Warren should be on the ticket regardless of how she does.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    The stupidsphere makes far too much over Biden’s supposed creepiness. He’s old school and originally from my parts (and hour up the pike). Everyone of that age had a relative who was know for touching and affection in a innocent and non-threatening way. Yeah, times change and Biden has a problem with letting go of the past, but I really believe he means nothing by it.

    Sounds a bit too much like the "handsy" priest or christian brother we unfortunately ran into in the 80s ....


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
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    If any sort of "credible" candidate emerges from the Democrats, mark my words, a "war" of some description will be created somewhere in the world, just before the election, with American involvement - it will allow Trump to be seen as the "alpha male" - very hard to beat that in an election year, especially when half the electorate are acting like sheep- it's a very hard act to "trump".

    And no, Joe B is not that candidate. It's definitely the end of the road for him.


  • #41
    Pa ElGrande
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    If the "Creepy Joe" narrative is being pushed on a Friday I presume there will be something about Trump and young girls coming out in the next day or two.

    Doubt it. Trump is a horndog however he tends to go for top heavy women.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • #42
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sounds a bit too much like the "handsy" priest or christian brother we unfortunately ran into in the 80s ....
    There's also a generation that thought that physical contact with kids was perfectly normal by patting their heads, squeezing cheeks or hugging them. It was innocent and perfectly harmless unless you didn't want to be patted! In 2019 it's another thing altogether.


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    odyssey06 wrote: »
    After he was elected President yes but his approval ratings on leaving office suggest Democrats (and much of the wider country) didn't care about it one way or another.
    Even as far out as 2012 he was still being feted at Democratic National Convention. It's only lately he is being distanced.

    This was all pre #MeToo where consensual sex between adults wasn't called into question like it is now. Ironically the stuff levelled at Trump means that if the same standards are applied to pretty much any man, and a lot of women in politics, they will fail the test. Even saying someone is attractive or looks well is a no no these days.


  • #44
    is_that_so
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    If any sort of "credible" candidate emerges from the Democrats, mark my words, a "war" of some description will be created somewhere in the world, just before the election, with American involvement - it will allow Trump to be seen as the "alpha male" - very hard to beat that in an election year, especially when half the electorate are acting like sheep- it's a very hard act to "trump".

    And no, Joe B is not that candidate. It's definitely the end of the road for him.
    He's the leading candidate according to polls. Not a bad place for the end of the road.


  • #45
    MrFresh
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Doubt it. Trump is a horndog however he tends to go for top heavy women.


    There's evidence to say otherwise.


    Fifteen women have now gone on record to say that Donald Trump sexually assaulted them. Out of all of their stories, one is the most explosive and bizarre — a woman who says Trump violently raped her at an orgy when she was just 13 years old. But the horrific details of her accusation have gotten the least attention.


    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation


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    is_that_so wrote: »
    He's the leading candidate according to polls. Not a bad place for the end of the road.

    Whether he is or not doesn't matter- he won't win against Trump.


  • #47
    odyssey06
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    Honestly I don't know how much there is to the Creepy Joe stuff, is it something (A) dodgy or (B) something that was fine in the 80s and now is viewed in a different light.

    But at a political level, regardless of whether it's A or B, it is 2019, at a political level the behaviour is a liability (whether that's just in terms of the Democratic nomination or the national poll not sure) and he doesn't seem to be able to flip out of it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #48
    Chris_Heilong
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    None of them are very good, the closest thing to a competent candidate on their side that is not fully indoctrinated into identity politics or Marxism is Tulsi Gabbard but with all the in fighting I dont think she will get very far, Be ready for Trump 2020.


  • #49
    Pa ElGrande
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    There's evidence to say otherwise.

    Far be it from me to defend Trump but a link to a politically biased mag is not evidence. There are only allegations made in the heat of an election cycle (i.e. muck raking), and in the wake of the fallout from #MeToo the old rule still applies "innocent until proven guilty" even for Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein.

    If both of those individuals come out and state that 2+2=4 and I agree with that statement and handshake over it, does that mean then that I also agree with any actions they may have taken that do not comply with the law or conventional moral codes? Of course not and except that is the standard much of the media is applying.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #50
    MrFresh
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Far be it from me to defend Trump but a link to a politically biased mag is not evidence. There are only allegations made in the heat of an election cycle (i.e. muck raking), and in the wake of the fallout from #MeToo the old rule still applies "innocent until proven guilty" even for Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein.

    If both of those individuals come out and state that 2+2=4 and I agree with that statement and handshake over it, does that mean then that I also agree with any actions they may have taken that do not comply with the law or conventional moral codes? Of course not and except that is the standard much of the media is applying.


    The evidence is in the court filing.

    The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she Was enticed by promises of money and a modeling career to attend a series of underage sex parties held at the New York City residence of Defendant Jeffrey E. Epstein and attended by Defendant Donald J. Trump.


    On the first occasion involving the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, Was forced to manually stimulate Defendant Trump With the use of her hand upon Defendant Trump’s erect penis until he reached sexual orgasm.


    On the second occasion involving the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, Was forced to orally copulate Defendant Trump by placing her mouth upon Defendant Trump’s erect penis until he reached sexual orgasm.


    On the third occasion involving the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson Was forced to engage in an unnatural lesbian sex act with her fellow minor and sex slave, Maria Doe age 12, for the sexual enjoyment of Defendant Trump. After this sex act, both minors Were forced to orally copulate Defendant Trump by placing their mouths simultaneously on his erect penis until he achieved sexual orgasm. After Zipping up his pants, Defendant Trump physically pushed both minors away While angrily berating them for the “poor“ quality of their sexual performance


    On the fourth and final sexual encounter with the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, Was tied to a bed by Defendant Trump who then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff Johnson. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff Johnson loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to “please wear a condom”. Defendant Trump responded by violently striking Plaintiff Johnson in the face With his open hand and screaming that “he would do whatever he wanted” as ”he refused to Wear protection.” After achieving sexual orgasm, the Defendant, Donald J. Trump put his suit back on and when the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, in tears asked Defendant Trump what Would happen if he had impregnated her, Defendant Trump grabbed his wallet and threw some money at her and screamed that she should use the money “to get a ****ing abortion”.


  • #51
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    The evidence is in the court filing.

    This account smells like it's made up. It's exactly the caricature of Trump that is shown in the media. Maybe it's true, but it's just too convenient, especially the part about "get an abortion".

    I'm not a Trump fan, but this smells off


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