Irish tourist scratches his name into the wall at Auschwitz

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 4:24pm

wingsof daun wrote:

If there was no gas chamber there during the Holocaust (at Auschwitz) how did the killings happen? And on that scale? I was never told people died from disease, lack of supplies or exposure at Auschwitz yet that is the most realistic answer.

Auschwitz was a small camp, Birkenau was where most of the killings took place many went directly to the gas chambers others were worked to death at various factories operated by such household names as IG Faben others allowed to die of starvation and diease, along with the smaller camps such as Plasow, Triblinka.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 11-10-2018 4:27pm

wingsof daun wrote: »

If there was no gas chamber there during the Holocaust (at Auschwitz) how did the killings happen? And on that scale? I was never told people died from disease, lack of supplies or exposure at Auschwitz yet that is the most realistic answer.

That was towards the end when supply routes were cut off by the Allies. I believe there was also an outbreak of TB.

The Germans demolished gas chambers as the Allies drew near and got rid of all their records.

The mock gas chamber on display today is a converted Air Raid shelter.
They're open about that and will tell you if you ask.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 11-10-2018 4:30pm

Bob24 wrote: »

Maybe people should have a look here before posting on what did or did not happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

It quotes an estimate of 1.1 million people killed at the Auschwitz camps (the article has more details on when and how the killings happened which is probably better for everyone to go review themselves only if they want to).

Not saying Wikipedia is the absolute truth and people can question it if they want and provide other sources, but it seems like to me a bit of self-documentation would be a good thing before anyone posts about what happened or didn’t happen there.

They revise the Auschwitz number all the time. It was 2 million when I visited in 2013.

Nobody will ever be entirely sure exactly how many died there.

gmisk · 11-10-2018 4:34pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Auschwitz was a small camp, Birkenau was where most of the killings took place many went directly to the gas chambers others were worked to death at various factories operated by such household names as IG Faben others allowed to die of starvation and diease, along with the smaller camps such as Plasow, Triblinka.

That is true, however I would kind of in my head consider Auschwitz and Birkenau (wasnt it also called Auschwitz 2?) one and the same as they are right beside each other.
Visiting them was one of the overwhelming experiences in my life, the rooms full of suitcases, spectacles, kids clothes, shoes, it is a truly heartbreaking place.

The mind boggles that people could go around scratching messages onto walls in a place like this.

Bob24 · 11-10-2018 4:37pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Nobody will ever be entirely sure exactly how many died there.

Agree. But but what there is no doubt about is that mass extermination did happen in the Auschwitz camps (all of them as a group), which is what seemed to be questionned above (not by you) and why I thought it was worth positing an estimate/reference before the discussion goes any further. I actually find the thread is getting ackward :-/

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 4:42pm

gmisk wrote:

That is true, however I would kind of in my head consider Auschwitz and Bikenau one and the same as they are right beside each other. Visiting them was one of the overwhelming experiences in my life, the rooms full of suitcases, spectacles, kids clothes, shoes, it is a truly heartbreaking place.

Actually there is a couple of miles between the two camps. Birkenau or Auschwitz II is the one people would be most familiar with due to the films. The spectacles and possessions are nearly all in Auschwitz. The most heart breaking for me was the 'Sauna' at Birkenau where the photos of the victims are on display. The photo of a baby on a sheepskin rug was the most poignant.
Both camps are terrible but at the second camp the errie silence is distrubing.

gmisk · 11-10-2018 4:49pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Actually there is a couple of miles between the two camps. Birkenau or Auschwitz II is the one people would be most familiar with due to the films. The spectacles and possessions are nearly all in Auschwitz. The most heart breaking for me was the 'Sauna' at Birkenau where the photos of the victims are on display. The photo of a baby on a sheepskin rug was the most poignant.
Both camps are terrible but at the second camp the errie silence is distrubing.

Ah you are right its maybe about 5 or 6 years since I went.

That is so true about the silence in the second camp, I remember you couldn't hear anything at all, no birds even both heart breaking places really.
I visited a place called the topography of terror fairly recently in Berlin, it was terrifically well done, very respectful and factual.

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 4:56pm

gmisk wrote:

Ah you are right its maybe about 5 or 6 years since I went.

Been there 3 times, took a private tour the 3rd time. Our party on leaving was brought down a winding road to show us one of the preserved cattle wagons they used for transport. It is a horrible but I believe necessary place if that makes sense.
I'm in Berlin next September I must look out for that installation you mention

gmisk · 11-10-2018 5:10pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Been there 3 times, took a private tour the 3rd time. Our party on leaving was brought down a winding road to show us one of the preserved cattle wagons they used for transport. It is a horrible but I believe necessary place if that makes sense.
I'm in Berlin next September I must look out for that installation you mention

Couldn't agree with that more.
I did a private tour the time I went as well, I would think you definitely see areas larger groups dont.

The topography of terror definitely doesn't give you that same emotional impact that Auschwitz or Birkenau would but its so well done, factual and gives you an idea of the scale and timeline involved. I think its a real credit to Germany that a place like that exists, rather than trying to deny or in anyway play down what happened.

Sycamore Tree · 11-10-2018 5:20pm

wingsof daun wrote: »

Auschwitz is the biggest fraud of a memorial in history. The only gas chamber was put there by Stalin in, guess what year...1947. Two years after the Holocaust. The signs in Auschwitz in 1992 were taken down (some) because the info was being presented as fact to millions of tourists but was totally false. Whatever about the other camps, I cant stand Auschwitz for the above reasons. We had Amy The Holocaust Hubermann on Tubridy, it just goes on and on and on, it is nauseating. Seriously. Remember our own history. The Holocaust is a fking religion that could go on till the end of time.

I am curious, why did Stalin install a gas chamber after the war?

Silentcorner · 11-10-2018 5:32pm

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

I am curious, why did Stalin install a gas chamber after the war?

...to make it look like the Germans were killing Jews...he was a crafty one was Stalin!

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 5:35pm

Silentcorner wrote:

...to show one of the ways the Germans were killing Jews...he was a crafty one was Stalin!

FYP

Skylinehead · 11-10-2018 5:36pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Auschwitz was a small camp, Birkenau was where most of the killings took place many went directly to the gas chambers others were worked to death at various factories operated by such household names as IG Faben others allowed to die of starvation and diease, along with the smaller camps such as Plasow, Triblinka.

Plasow was a labour camp like that, but Treblinka was a death camp. Doesn't receive as much attention as Auschwitz, maybe because Auschwitz was the "bigger" one, but it was just as horrific.

Never been in those but I have been to Sachsenhausen outside of Berlin, sobering stuff. It was more political prisoners in there, along with killing thousands of Soviet prisoners.

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

I am curious, why did Stalin install a gas chamber after the war?

Wouldn't bother, the bang of Holocaust denial off that post.

Ipso · 11-10-2018 5:41pm

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

I am curious, why did Stalin install a gas chamber after the war?

Don't encourage them, if you do there will be tin foil everywhere.

wingsof daun · 11-10-2018 5:51pm

Dan Jaman wrote: »

Not sure whether you're trying to deny the awfulness that was the Holocaust or not, or whether or not Auschwitz was a death camp.
It was certainly a death camp, but mainly as a result of the work-to-death policy of the slave regime in place around that area. There were various manufacturies in place, all drawing labour from the slave pool of Auschwitz camps (plural - it's a huge complex). Many thousands died there, in horrible conditions, but it wasn't actually a mass-extermination camp like a few others. Whatever, the net result was the same.

No. That happened in the Gulags in Soviet Russia, people were worked to death there. People were given 5 or 10 years hard labour often for muttering the wrong political views on the street. The camps under German control were not work camps. Russian prisoners worked in mines and other projects that is well documented. What work was there to do in the concentration camps? The autobahns etc were all built before the holocaust period. Why werent the Jews put to work on them? Maybe they were, but did the Germans not decide to kill them until WWII began? Besides, there is no evidence Jewd died en masse building autobahns.

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 6:06pm

Bosch
Mercedes
Deutsche Bank
V W
Bayer
IG Faben
All used slave labour from the concentration camps the majority of the slave labour used by several of them were Jewish.
Many other German companies used slave labour but have as yet to acknowledge their crimes .
The SS itself ran several companies exclusively using slave labour cement works at Mashiusen ( probably spelt it wrong) was one of the more vile in the camp system.
Let's not forget IBM helped the Nazis with the system they used in the final solution.

wexie · 11-10-2018 6:09pm

I'm gonna guess this guy is wearing either slippers or shoes that close with velcro

B0jangles · 11-10-2018 6:19pm

wexie wrote: »

I'm gonna guess this guy is wearing either slippers or shoes that close with velcro

Dan Jaman · 11-10-2018 6:23pm

wingsof daun wrote: »

No. That happened in the Gulags in Soviet Russia, people were worked to death there. People were given 5 or 10 years hard labour often for muttering the wrong political views on the street. The camps under German control were not work camps. Russian prisoners worked in mines and other projects that is well documented. What work was there to do in the concentration camps? The autobahns etc were all built before the holocaust period. Why werent the Jews put to work on them? Maybe they were, but did the Germans not decide to kill them until WWII began? Besides, there is no evidence Jewd died en masse building autobahns.

Sorry, but you just passed the idiot test.
Welcome to the ignore file.

Wibbs · 11-10-2018 6:41pm

wingsof daun wrote: »

The camps under German control were not work camps. Russian prisoners worked in mines and other projects that is well documented. What work was there to do in the concentration camps?

Incorrect. The Nazi's operated, with some overlap, roughly three types of camp; concentration camps(political prisoner and other "undesirables"), extermination camps and POW camps. Concentration camps were most certainly used for forced labour. Take the subject at hand, the Auschwitz Birkenau complex. It was an example of a mixed set of camps and a truly massive enterprise spread across a huge area, having forced labour, extermination facilities and POWs in the mix(almost entirely from the Soviet and Polish forces). Auschwitz 3 was run as a privately funded and built industrial chemical factory for IG Farben. Companies like Krupps and Seimens ran other smaller camps.

While they were enacting the Final Solution in one area kept away from the rest, letters went back and forth between local commanders and HQ over the unacceptable death rates(10-30%) among the forced labourers, which was screwing with productivity. This correspondence has often been used by deniers to "prove" the Nazi's weren't in the business of killing Jews, but it refers exclusively to the forced labourers. Forced labour was vital to to the German war effort. For a start, unlike Allied nations they never utilised their women as workers. Preferring them as stay at home house fraus producing arians for the Reich. So half their production population was wasted. Even in the extermination part, they selected out the too young, too old and infirm among the Jews, Roma etc and murdered them almost immediately, keeping the young and fit around to work them to death. Later in the war when labour shortages were getting desperate they extended some medical care even to the otherwise fit Jewish prisoners.

About the most famous Jewish voices from that time was Anne Frank. After they were caught she and her family were transported to Auschwitz, where her father was separated from her, her mother and sister. They assumed he was to be killed, but he wasn't. He just got under the wire of being fit enough for slave labour. He though the same horrible fate awaited them, but she survived the selection as she was just old enough to be spared for forced labour. She survived that hell for six months, succumbing to typhus and starvation like her mother and sister after they were moved on to Belsen. Her father survived the war and the camps only to find out his entire family was gone.

Guy:Incognito · 11-10-2018 6:49pm

seamus wrote: »

I wonder is he special needs.

I can't see how a 38 year old man in his full faculties would ever consider this to be reasonable behaviour.

Have a wander around Dublin city and a few suburbs. It won't take long to see grown adults being absolute scumbags and dropping their litter all around them without a care in the world.

People don't need to have special needs to behave like dickheads and/or scumbags.

indioblack · 11-10-2018 6:55pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Never found Dad's Army funny either.

Fair enough.
For my Polish workmate it was the concept of using humour in this way rather than how humorous it actually was.

wingsof daun · 11-10-2018 6:58pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Incorrect. The Nazi's operated, with some overlap, roughly three types of camp; concentration camps(political prisoner and other "undesirables"), extermination camps and POW camps. Concentration camps were most certainly used for forced labour. Take the subject at hand, the Auschwitz Birkenau complex. It was an example of a mixed set of camps and a truly massive enterprise spread across a huge area, having forced labour, extermination facilities and POWs in the mix(almost entirely from the Soviet and Polish forces). Auschwitz 3 was run as a privately funded and built industrial chemical factory for IG Farben. Companies like Krupps and Seimens ran other smaller camps.

While they were enacting the Final Solution in one area kept away from the rest, letters went back and forth between local commanders and HQ over the unacceptable death rates(10-30%) among the forced labourers, which was screwing with productivity. This correspondence has often been used by deniers to "prove" the Nazi's weren't in the business of killing Jews, but it refers exclusively to the forced labourers. Forced labour was vital to to the German war effort. For a start, unlike Allied nations they never utilised their women as workers. Preferring them as stay at home house fraus producing arians for the Reich. So half their production population was wasted.

You think stay at home women are "wasted". I think its honourable for a woman to stay at home and raise more children. Labour is vital to any war effort, the point you fail to make - ethnic Germans "arians" willing worked hard for the renewal of their nation an later for the war effort. Its called patriotism.

wexie · 11-10-2018 7:08pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Incorrect. The Nazi's operated, with some overlap, roughly three types of camp; concentration camps(.....wibbsims......wibbsims
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You know Wibbs, I have to say I have a lot of respect for your patience and willingness to engage with even the most moronic of posters.

But....do you ever think it might be a wasted effort?

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 7:08pm

wingsof daun wrote:

You think stay at home women are "wasted". I think its honourable for a woman to stay at home and raise more children. Labour is vital to any war effort, the point you fail to make - ethnic Germans "arians" willing worked hard for the renewal of their nation an later for the war effort. Its called patriotism.

That's not what he said he said the capability of German Women's labour was not utilised. Being complicit in the destruction of another race is not Patriotism. There are many words to describe it but Patriotism is not one of them.

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 7:10pm

wexie wrote:

But....do you ever think it might be a wasted effort?

It may not educate the morons, but for those with a brain it's good knowledge to be given for free.

Wibbs · 11-10-2018 7:15pm

wingsof daun wrote: »

You think stay at home women are "wasted".

In a war? Yes. Outside of the obvious moral issues, forced labour is rarely quality labour. It requires far more supervision and expense and numbers. Willing labour is far better and as the Allies showed the previously untapped labour force of women made a huge difference in production and ultimately helped their side win.

I think its honourable for a woman to stay at home and raise more children.

If that's what they choose to do, cool.

Labour is vital to any war effort, the point you fail to make - ethnic Germans "arians" willing worked hard for the renewal of their nation an later for the war effort. Its called patriotism.

Any point therein was beyond the remit of the points I was arguing.

Wibbs · 11-10-2018 7:19pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Being complicit in the destruction of another race is not Patriotism.

Races. Anyone considered non Aryan was seen a little more than animals and afforded the same considerations. If anything worse than animals. The Nazi's introduced some of the first laws and regulations with regard to animal rights. If they had won, the extermination wouldn't have stopped. Slavs in whatever territories they held likely would have been next.

indioblack · 11-10-2018 7:21pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Incorrect. The Nazi's operated, with some overlap, roughly three types of camp; concentration camps(political prisoner and other "undesirables"), extermination camps and POW camps. Concentration camps were most certainly used for forced labour. Take the subject at hand, the Auschwitz Birkenau complex. It was an example of a mixed set of camps and a truly massive enterprise spread across a huge area, having forced labour, extermination facilities and POWs in the mix(almost entirely from the Soviet and Polish forces). Auschwitz 3 was run as a privately funded and built industrial chemical factory for IG Farben. Companies like Krupps and Seimens ran other smaller camps.

While they were enacting the Final Solution in one area kept away from the rest, letters went back and forth between local commanders and HQ over the unacceptable death rates(10-30%) among the forced labourers, which was screwing with productivity. This correspondence has often been used by deniers to "prove" the Nazi's weren't in the business of killing Jews, but it refers exclusively to the forced labourers. Forced labour was vital to to the German war effort. For a start, unlike Allied nations they never utilised their women as workers. Preferring them as stay at home house fraus producing arians for the Reich. So half their production population was wasted. Even in the extermination part, they selected out the too young, too old and infirm among the Jews, Roma etc and murdered them almost immediately, keeping the young and fit around to work them to death. Later in the war when labour shortages were getting desperate they extended some medical care even to the otherwise fit Jewish prisoners.

About the most famous Jewish voices from that time was Anne Frank. After they were caught she and her family were transported to Auschwitz, where her father was separated from her, her mother and sister. They assumed he was to be killed, but he wasn't. He just got under the wire of being fit enough for slave labour. He though the same horrible fate awaited them, but she survived the selection as she was just old enough to be spared for forced labour. She survived that hell for six months, succumbing to typhus and starvation like her mother and sister after they were moved on to Belsen. Her father survived the war and the camps only to find out his entire family was gone.

Many years ago I worked with a German woman who had lived with her mother in Berlin during the war.
She told me she was recruited into the German military at the end of the war. She never told me what service it was or what she was expected to do - she did say they gave her a uniform. I'd never heard of this. Perhaps such things happened at the very end of the war.
Her military service was cut short by the arrival of the Red Army who employed her as a typist.
She married a British soldier and, with her mother, moved to England.

Wibbs · 11-10-2018 7:25pm

indioblack wrote: »

Many years ago I worked with a German woman who had lived with her mother in Berlin during the war.
She told me she was recruited into the German military at the end of the war.

Yeah when things went to crap at the end they grabbed every able and not so able bodied man, woman and child in defence of the Reich and especially Berlin. They were handed grenades and antitank rockets and uniforms to attack Soviet forces. Others were used as runners for communications, others as support staff. Even got Hitler to hand out medals to some of these kids. Last film taken of him I believe.

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 7:31pm

indioblack wrote:

Many years ago I worked with a German woman who had lived with her mother in Berlin during the war. She told me she was recruited into the German military at the end of the war. She never told me what service it was or what she was expected to do - she did say they gave her a uniform. I'd never heard of this. Perhaps such things happened at the very end of the war. Her military service was cut short by the arrival of the Red Army who employed her as a typist. She married a British soldier and, with her mother, moved to England.

Basically Hitler was happy to see the entire German people destroyed if defeat was eminent. They were given uniforms and little in the way of weaponry to attack the approaching allies.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-10-2018 7:34pm

indioblack wrote: »

Fair enough.
For my Polish workmate it was the concept of using humour in this way rather than how humorous it actually was.

Eh?

A few old lads defending Britain after the bulk of the army was fighting on the continent? What’s upsetting there?

Of course it is crap comedy. But not for that reason.

wingsof daun · 11-10-2018 7:35pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

That's not what he said he said the capability of German Women's labour was not utilised. Being complicit in the destruction of another race is not Patriotism. There are many words to describe it but Patriotism is not one of them.

It seems they treated women far better than the allies or the Soviets. No women were conscripted into the army nor would they have been accepted. That is a sign of a progressive society, it is not barbarism. Why should women do the work of men?

Strazdas · 11-10-2018 7:39pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah when things went to crap at the end they grabbed every able and not so able bodied man, woman and child in defence of the Reich and especially Berlin. They were handed grenades and antitank rockets and uniforms to attack Soviet forces. Others were used as runners for communications, others as support staff. Even got Hitler to hand out medals to some of these kids. Last film taken of him I believe.

That film was shot in the grounds of the Reich Chancellery right beside the entrance to the bunker on April 20, 1945, ten days before Hitler committed suicide. The Red Army were already in the suburbs of Berlin and fast approaching.

indioblack · 11-10-2018 7:40pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Basically Hitler was happy to see the entire German people destroyed if defeat was eminent. They were given uniforms and little in the way of weaponry to attack the approaching allies.

She didn't give many details of that period - must've been rough for her.
She recognized an SS officer on a railway station dressed in civilian clothes - presumably trying to disappear.

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 7:42pm

wingsof daun wrote:

That is a sign of a progressive society, it is not barbarism. Why should women do the work of men?

We have a different definition of progressive, slaughtering men women and children because you believe them to be inferior is not progressive. Hundreds of German women severed in the SS as camp guards. Several such as Emma Grese were executed after the war for their crimes.

wingsof daun · 11-10-2018 7:43pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Races. Anyone considered non Aryan was seen a little more than animals and afforded the same considerations. If anything worse than animals. The Nazi's introduced some of the first laws and regulations with regard to animal rights. If they had won, the extermination wouldn't have stopped. Slavs in whatever territories they held likely would have been next.

A confused statement. Yes they supported animal rights, but they wanted to kill other races of people? Sounds like something out of Hollywood, not credible.

indioblack · 11-10-2018 7:45pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Eh?

A few old lads defending Britain after the bulk of the army was fighting on the continent? What’s upsetting there?

Of course it is crap comedy. But not for that reason.

The idea of using the war in a sitcom. He disagreed with that.
As for the content, it wasn't such a bad series. Not brilliant - very popular, though.

Wibbs · 11-10-2018 7:47pm

wingsof daun wrote: »

No women were conscripted into the army nor would they have been accepted.

I hate to break it to you but women were accepted as auxiliaries into the Wehrmacht, even had their own branch of the SS. A few hundred thousand of them.

That is a sign of a progressive society, it is not barbarism. Why should women do the work of men?

How so much daft can be fitted into so few words. I salute you Sir.

Ipso · 11-10-2018 7:48pm

wingsof daun wrote: »

A confused statement. Yes they supported animal rights, but they wanted to kill other races of people? Sounds like something out of Hollywood, not credible.

They were veteranaryans.

Wibbs · 11-10-2018 7:50pm

indioblack wrote: »

She recognized an SS officer on a railway station dressed in civilian clothes - presumably trying to disappear.

Extremely difficult to do as with few exceptions all SS men had their blood group tattooed on their arms. It's how they used to single them out in camps after the war. Few survived the process. Not just SS. What is forgotten or left out of stories of the war is the aftermath. Over a million German men never came home, after hostilities had ended.

wingsof daun wrote: »

A confused statement. Yes they supported animal rights, but they wanted to kill other races of people? Sounds like something out of Hollywood, not credible.

Not credible if one finds it difficult to hold two different concepts in one's head.

Wibbs · 11-10-2018 7:51pm

Ipso wrote: »

They were veteranaryans.

*bows* "D

wexie · 11-10-2018 7:51pm

indioblack wrote: »

The idea of using the war in a sitcom. He disagreed with that.

Any war or just 'the war' ie WW2?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-10-2018 7:51pm

indioblack wrote: »

The idea of using the war in a sitcom. He disagreed with that.
As for the content, it wasn't such a bad series. Not brilliant - very popular, though.

Why? Dad’s army was set during a war but not really in it, as Britain wasn’t invaded. There’s no reason not to have movies or TV shows set during the war either - some of the best movies have been set during WWII and Vietnam.

M.A.S.H was set in Korea.
Presumably the war in Poland was too dark to joke about but not so in Britain. ( Although of course Britain did lose thousands of soldiers and was bombed. )

indioblack · 11-10-2018 7:56pm

wexie wrote: »

Any war or just 'the war' ie WW2?

I should have put WW2.
He reminded me of the history of Poland during the WW2. For him it was not a source of humour.
To counter this, another Polish man I worked with, a slightly older man, had no desire to look back at the war at all. He grew up in the Soviet bloc - but, as far as he was concerned, it was all in the past.

indioblack · 11-10-2018 7:58pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Why? Dad’s army was set during a war but not really in it, as Britain wasn’t invaded. There’s no reason not to have movies or TV shows set during the war either - some of the best movies have been set during WWII and Vietnam.

M.A.S.H was set in Korea.
Presumably the war in Poland was too dark to joke about but not so in Britain. ( Although of course Britain did lose thousands of soldiers and was bombed. )

You're right. For him it was too dark too create humour out of.

ZX7R · 11-10-2018 8:23pm

My wife is polish,a few years ago in her parents home I cracked a joke relating to ww2 .
It didn't go down well ,they didn't see the humour in it some of the darkest hours of there lives were lived then.
Her grandmother who sadly passed away told me stories of what she experienced they were very chilling to listen too

gozunda · 12-10-2018 2:03pm

And another ....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/grinning-young-girls-perform-nazi-13395064

Auschwitz officials are trying to identify three girls who performed a Nazi salute outside the 'gate of death' to the World War 2 concentration camp.

Irish tourist scratches his name into the wall at Auschwitz

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