Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Chuck Schumer starting the counter-attack on the nomination to the senate by letting the voter know the nominee has chosen to reduce Obamacare healthcare options to public, women's right to choice on reproduction, labor unions. LGBT civil rights including marriage [which his daughter availed of]. Given the current Covid-19 epidemic in the U.S, with Trumps campaign against Obamacare coming to the USSC, Schumer is making a blunt appeal to the voter depending on Obamacare for health insurance cover to go straight to their U.S senators and pressure them to vote against Trump's nominee on the basis that she will be a danger to their health and wellbeing in a vote on the issue before the USSC if she is voted on to its bench.

Trump has messed up badly by not getting his and the GOP act together [in a coordinated manner] on a replacement healthcare act, instead just winging it on a bluff. The other issues she also has stated personal opinions against reduce the existing civil rights of the voters enhanced by prior USSC decisions without harming her, or others, religious belief rights under the constitution.

I don't particularly trust the two GOP senators who've said they wont support the nominee by voting for her. One used a senate voting manoeuvre to get around her promise not to vote for Trump on a past issue and yet succeed in ensuring Trump got the benefit of an extra vote by standing aside [pairing with] when a democratic senator wasn't in the chamber to vote on it.

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Turns out Trump respects women, have you seen his wife? Amazing

Have you seen his wife? She hates him! She certainly doesn't respect him.

Both votes were absolutely decided by feelings rather than facts.

Unfortunately too when you get down to it a large contingent of voters, for various reasons other than them just being "bad people" feel negative toward immigrants and people of different colour/creed.

That is exploited and used to stoke up emotion, generally fear and that will drive people to the polls out of a sense of self preservation for their way of life.

StringerBell wrote: »

Both votes were absolutely decided by feelings rather than facts.

Unfortunately too when you get down to it a large contingent of voters, for various reasons other than them just being "bad people" feel negative toward immigrants and people of different colour/creed.

That is exploited and used to stoke up emotion, generally fear and that will drive people to the polls out of a sense of self preservation for their way of life.

Of course racism played a role, but why did Obama win two elections before Trump? Were the racists fine with a black man as president but an old white women was where they drew the line.

The major parties in both the UK and America have failed the people with their brand of neo liberal politics thus it was always possible that something like Trump or Brexit could happen.

Trump obviously is Zombie Reganism on steroids and Brexit will be a ****show, but nonetheless blaming xenophobia is giving those whether it is corporate dems/republicans,,,Blairism etc a pass they don't deserve for laying the groundwork for Brexit and Trump.

Absolutely, apologies if it wasn't clear most elections, referendums, votes in general are decided by feelings. I meant to highlight only how incredibly obvious both the US presidential election and brexit in 2016 are as examples of that.

As to why Obama won two elections, and Hilary couldn't win. Trump won with less votes than Romney lost by previously. It's not that the racists tolerated a black man presidency for some reason. They voted against him, more people "didn't like" Hilary in 2016 so didn't vote for her, still didn't vote trump for the most part just abstained or abstained by voting for a third party. Feelings over facts

Obama was swept in during his first election because of feelings also, the feeling that he would bring real change. The desire to believe what he was selling rather than critically analysing whether he could possibly deliver this or not. It doesn't just go one way.

It seems, according to Trump's chief of white house staff, Mark Meadows, that his boss has varying degrees of trust in his Admin team members and that includes Chris Wray, director of the FBI after he made a statement about Russia being behind ongoing attempts to damage the Biden campaign, as the statement was contrary to what Trump said: that China was behind the attempts to damage the election campaign. Meadows said on Fox News of Mr Wray “With all due respect to Director Wray, he has a hard time finding emails in his own FBI, let alone figuring out whether there’s any kind of voter fraud,”.

It may be more of Trump's attempts to sow discord and mistrust between his senior Dept heads, along with attempting to scare them into personal loyalty to him or lose their jobs. How this will play out with the AG, Mr Barr, has yet to become clear or if he knew zilch about Trump being upset by Mr Wray's statement about Russian current attacks on Trump's opponents election campaign.

looksee wrote: »

I can only offer anecdotal evidence to this question but there is a feeling among conservatives in the US that giving is an act of virtue, a gesture of Christianity - so hospitals, for example, should be kept as charitable services for poor people as it enables the richer people to fulfil their charitable obligations.

That was actually put to me as an explanation why 'socialist' healthcare was not desirable. If they had the same attitude towards paying the taxes that would provide universal healthcare it would come to the same thing - but of course it would remove the warm fuzzy feeling of having helped the poor (in spite of their not deserving it).

With the GoFundMe model of healthcare you get to choose who gets the healthcare rather than the socialist way of just giving it to everyone.

Just tried to get through the morass of stuff to access the NYT but balked at giving them my phone number, so I will just have to wait to read up on the tax return story. I wonder will this slide off him like teflon? Most of his supporters are probably paying more tax than apparently he paid, so it will be interesting.

retalivity wrote: »

He paid $750 in federal taxes in both 2016 & 2017, writing the rest off due to losses. Also 'paid taxes using tax credits', however the hell that works

This could be huge for Biden, he needs to run with this big time.

Have huge posters in the battle states of how much tax trump pays and with Biden in office this ridiculous low rate will not be tolerated....

As many of his companies continue to lose money, Mr. Trump has more than $300 million in loans, for which he is personally responsible, coming due within the next four years. He liquidated hundreds of millions of dollars in stocks in recent years and may have less than $1 million left in his portfolio, according to his public financial disclosures. The pandemic has crippled the hospitality and recreation industry that so much of his portfolio of properties is dependent on.

And hanging over his head is the audit. Should the I.R.S. reverse the huge refund he received 10 years ago, Mr. Trump could be on the hook for more than $100 million. NYT, Charting an Empire: A timeline of Trump's Finances

He is probably in deeper than anyone imagined. Could the IRS move against him while he is president, given Barr's view on the sanctity of the presidency? Are they waiting to see is he re-elected? And there is still three months left of this incredible year.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It needs to be more direct and personal. Trump is broke. Trump is a loser. Trump is frittering away his Daddy’s money. Gloves off time.

Trump is a welfare cheat, playing golf on the government's dime and living like a king while evading tax and laundering cash.

Fantastic reporting by the NYT!

Lol, the business genius is 300 million in the hole

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

The New York Times story. I’ve not read all of it but Jesus it’s not a great look.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

The New York Times story. I’ve not read all of it but Jesus it’s not a great look.

... and they say there's more to come over the next few weeks! :cool:

All-in-all, though, it's only filling in (in detail) what we already knew: the guy is a con-man and a cheat, and rearing his children to be just the same. Not sure Ivanka can ever run for office with the suspiciously incestuous payments that have been highlighted, and that coming on the back of her involvement in the Trump charity fraud.

What's worrying is that Biden paid 5 million in taxes. How much is this guy worth?

How wealthy is Biden?

This could be twisted that trump is a smarter operator paying less tax. I’d say he will point to it as being evidence of his genius. While sleepy joe hands over millions.

hotmail.com wrote: »

What's worrying is that Biden paid 5 million in taxes. How much is this guy worth?

How wealthy is Biden?

I know you're only messing but you can be sure there's some simpleton out there double-thinking his way to the above logic. Like Jordan Peterson says, life is tough with an IQ under 80.

hotmail.com wrote: »

What's worrying is that Biden paid 5 million in taxes. How much is this guy worth?

How wealthy is Biden?

Pretty wealthy by now one would imagine, he and his wife paid a combined 5 million, 1/3 of their total income so that would put the joint earnings that year at 15 million.

Why doesn't he just release his tax returns if this story is fake like he says it is?

A total, utter and absolute fraud. It still boggles my mind that people cannot see him for what he is.

CNN breaking reports that Brad Parscale has been taken to a medical facility by police.

Wife rang to report he was armed, and threatening suicide.
Hope he is ok, but interesting timing and one would have to wonder what the trigger was?

Added link:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/27/politics/brad-parscale-hospitalized/index.html

banie01 wrote: »

CNN breaking reports that Brad Parscale has been taken to a medical facility by police.

Wife rang to report he was armed, and threatening suicide.
Hope he is ok, but interesting timing and one would have to wonder what the trigger was?

Added link:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/27/politics/brad-parscale-hospitalized/index.html

That's disturbing. Hope he gets the help he needs.

banie01 wrote: »

CNN breaking reports that Brad Parscale has been taken to a medical facility by police.

Wife rang to report he was armed, and threatening suicide.
Hope he is ok, but interesting timing and one would have to wonder what the trigger was?

Added link:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/27/politics/brad-parscale-hospitalized/index.html

Let me have a quick guess!!....he was screwing the trump campaign for millions in consulting fees buying Ferrari's and condos. The Lincon Project ran ads that he was screwing Trump and making money off Trump back. Trump saw the ad(he only wants to see Trump making money off the Trump brand:rolleyes:) demoted him and took all the gravy off him in his consulting fees. BUT by this stage Parscale was leveraged up to his eye balls in condo payments and had to hand back the Ferrari etc etc....oh look I have a small arsenal of assault weapons in the corner of the room because this is America...now thanks be to god they got to him before anything else can happen but this is how mass shootings happen.