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Can we talk about AH?

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  • #52
    dulpit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,403 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    The AH charter:


    This is literally the opposite of what AH has become.

    This is exactly the problem. It's become apparent into other forums too, but then other parts of the site are brilliant, so it's very frustrating how the moderation/decisions seem to vary so wildly.


  • #53
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Equating agreement with what Casey said about travellers - nobody else, just travellers (that they should be held to the same standards as everyone else, which is the opposite to discrimination) - to racism (against whom?) and being extreme right is just another unreasonable position in a tapestry of them on After Hours. From various political angles.


  • #54
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which was the point of boards originally. A group of like minded individuals that wanted to disuss stuff.

    Your posts come across as yearning for the good old days of 1998, when Boards had about ten members, all with the same interests and views.

    Boards is now a business with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Posters will inevitably disagree about issues. Short of banning everyone who doesn't fit your definition of "like-minded," there's no point in talking about the founders' original intentions more than twenty years ago.


  • #55
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    The most obvious manifestation of the hard push to the extreme right was the Presidential election poll, where Casey ended up with more than 50% of the vote, more than double what he got in the real world. So in broad terms, boards.ie has twice as many extreme right posters as the national average. Boards.ie is a good 44% more racist than Tipperary - Casey's best performing constituency.

    It seems that the powers that be are happy for Boards to turn into gammon-central. Personally, I'm not sure it bodes well, given the ageing demographic. It's probably not a hugely attractive market for advertisers either.

    Casey is an SDLP guy who sees himself as a 'best fit' for Fianna Fail.
    Your description of him as 'extreme right wing' is ridiculous.

    The problem with AH which is refelected in modern society is that a lot of posters don't have a clue what being left or right wing actually means. Any view which opposes the 'liberal middle class media group think' point of view is shouted down as being extreme right wing.


  • #56
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Casey is an SDLP guy who sees himself as a 'best fit' for Fianna Fail.
    Your description of him as 'extreme right wing' is ridiculous.

    The problem with AH which is refelected in modern society is that a lot of posters don't have a clue what being left or right wing actually means. Any view which opposes the 'liberal middle class media group think' point of view is shouted down as being extreme right wing.


    Some might wager that the populace of AH doesn't give a flying f*ck about wings and the majority of the grumbling in AH stems from people trying to assign a wing position to others.


  • #57
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    The most obvious manifestation of the hard push to the extreme right was the Presidential election poll, where Casey ended up with more than 50% of the vote, more than double what he got in the real world. So in broad terms, boards.ie has twice as many extreme right posters as the national average. Boards.ie is a good 44% more racist than Tipperary - Casey's best performing constituency.

    Extreme right? 23 percent of voters supported Casey. I find it hard to believe that almost a quarter of the Irish population could be categorized as "extreme right."


  • #58
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Any view which opposes the 'liberal middle class media group think' point of view is shouted down as being extreme right wing.

    Absolutely 100% true, and well said.


  • #59
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Deleted User wrote: »
    the ganging up against posters of left leaning persuasions is really ugly to watch, and very rarely anything is done about it.
    normanoffside wrote: »
    Any view which opposes the 'liberal middle class media group think' point of view is shouted down as being extreme right wing.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


  • #60
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    AH has turned into a boring predictable place where one side fights the other constantly and everyone else is just stuck in the middle wondering wtf.

    Nearly every thread starts and finishes the same way.

    How many more social welfare immigration or lgbt related threads can we possibly have ffs!


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  • #61
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Mark Rippetoe wrote: »
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    A lot of people confuse left wing with Hilary Clinton style cultural NeoLiberalism.
    They equate anything which opposes neo-liberal views as being right wing.

    It's Ironic because Neo Liberalism started out as a right wing ecnomic theory embraced by Thatcher and Regan.


  • #62
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    The AH charter:


    This is literally the opposite of what AH has become.

    I've tried. Got nowhere. I've pretty much given up at this point, don't know why I'm still modding the place. Travellers, transgender threads, social welfare, politics (I still get rid of those when I see them), six million threads on RTE personalities, I'd close the lot personally. Light-hearted my arse.


  • #63
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    normanoffside wrote: »
    A lot of people confuse left wing with Hilary Clinton style cultural NeoLiberalism.
    They equate anything which opposes neo-liberal views as being right wing.

    It's Ironic because Neo Liberalism started out as a right wing ecnomic theory embraced by Thatcher and Regan.

    Honestly, who gives a flying crap? This is the complete and utter drivel which should be punted off into space


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    dulpit wrote: »
    Hey all,

    I know there have been a number of threads raised on the topic over the past few months, but I feel that something needs to be done about AH, it has been getting worse and worse with regards to the usual rubbish that is dealt out about travellers, feminists, social welfare, etc. The place is becoming an extremely nasty place to read, and the moderation is either slow, ineffectual or non-existent.

    I understand that you can simply ignore the forum as a whole, but it can be hard to do so, due to the traffic it attracts the posts there are always popping up on home page.

    I also understand that people will say that the mods are overwhelmed with the amount of posts that AH gets, but this thread - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057949890 - has been active since yesterday with limited/no moderation that I can see. The same sorts of comments from the same sorts of posters are always appearing.

    What the solution is - I don't know. I personally feel that either the site needs to go down the route of allowing anything to be said, and be the worse for it, or else clean up it's moderation. Properly ban people, zero tolerance, stuff like that.

    I don't know what else to say, but I will say that AH makes me sad these days, and is pushing me away from using boards in general. I can't be alone in this opinion?


    Oh but you can. I messaged an AH mod a while back to ban myself from AH. It doesn't pop up on the site at all for me anymore. I found the place elicited the same reaction as I got from twitter. I'd get wound up over stupid things. Life is too short for that kind of nonsense.


  • #65
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,727 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Oh but you can. I messaged an AH mod a while back to ban myself from AH. It doesn't pop up on the site at all for me anymore. I found the place elicited the same reaction as I got from twitter. I'd get wound up over stupid things. Life is too short for that kind of nonsense.

    Yeah, you need to get worked up over who is a wolf or just an innocent villager. Those are the important issues!!

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #66
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,438 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Arely Dazzling Sidecar wrote: »
    Equating agreement with what Casey said about travellers - nobody else, just travellers (that they should be held to the same standards as everyone else, which is the opposite to discrimination) - to racism (against whom?) and being extreme right is just another unreasonable position in a tapestry of them on After Hours. From various political angles.
    The issue isn't the label. You can put whatever label you like on it.

    The issue is that boards.ie is significantly harder to the right than the general population.


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  • #67
    Dial Hard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Muckka wrote: »
    We're all over 18 if we want to express hate, not liking people places and things express it...

    Not everyone on Boards is over 18 and I'm pretty sure it was never designed as or intended to be a place for people to "express hate".


  • #68
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭xi5yvm0owc1s2b


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    The issue is that boards.ie is significantly harder to the right than the general population.

    Boards posters also overwhelmingly supported the gay marriage and abortion referendums, to a far greater extent than the actual electorate.

    With equal justification, it could be said that Boards is further to the left than the general population.


  • #69
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    The issue isn't the label. You can put whatever label you like on it.

    The issue is that boards.ie is significantly harder to the right than the general population.
    Lawson Tinkling Fishhook wrote: »
    Boards posters also overwhelmingly supported the gay marriage and abortion referendums, to a far greater extent than the actual electorate.

    With equal justification, it could be said that Boards is further to the left than the general population.


    Glad that we've solved that one.


  • #70
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It seems that the powers that be are happy for Boards to turn into gammon-central. Personally, I'm not sure it bodes well, given the ageing demographic. It's probably not a hugely attractive market for advertisers either.


    This is something that occurred to me lately as well - given the obvious and apparently approved slide of AH from -'light-hearted fun' to an an almost unbroken cycle of threads about who or what is the greatest threat to western civilization (feminists, transpeople, immigrants or dole-recipients!), it's hard to see how this could be at all appealing to advertisers, who I presume are the financial backbone of the whole business.


    It's kind of like if your local pub slowly got taken over by really loud people who just want to take about the muslim threat or the decline of masculinity, so all the people who aren't permanently in a rage about something, who just want a bit of a fun chat and some relaxed socializing start going to another pub, and then the pub becomes That Pub, the one that only the nutjobs go to. It's just bad business sense.


  • #71
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    dulpit wrote: »
    Hey all....

    ........but I will say that AH makes me sad these days, and is pushing me away from using boards in general. I can't be alone in this opinion?

    Tell you what, why not read the threads you want to read and don't read the ones you find "offensive".

    Telling the rest of us what we can say or read on these forums??? Who do you think you are pal?


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  • #72
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Tell you what, why not read the threads you want to read and don't read the ones you find "offensive".

    Telling the rest of us what we can say or read on these forums??? Who do you think you are pal?

    Boards is not a free for all. Never has been. There's always been censorship.

    It's been greatly relaxed over the last few years, but if a bit of censorship makes the hard right/left lads leave, then I'd be all for it. Most of the threads and their content breach the AH charter.

    Even the Mod of AH is saying the place is out of control.


  • #73
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Even the Mod of AH is saying the place is out of control.

    Define "out of control"...


  • #74
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Define "out of control"...
    From the man himself.
    Nixonbot wrote: »
    I've tried. Got nowhere. I've pretty much given up at this point, don't know why I'm still modding the place. Travellers, transgender threads, social welfare, politics (I still get rid of those when I see them), six million threads on RTE personalities, I'd close the lot personally. Light-hearted my arse.


  • #75
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    From the man himself.

    And whats the issue with people talking about those topics? Clearly there is an appetite for discussion.


  • #76
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Nixonbot wrote: »
    I've tried. Got nowhere. I've pretty much given up at this point, don't know why I'm still modding the place. Travellers, transgender threads, social welfare, politics (I still get rid of those when I see them), six million threads on RTE personalities, I'd close the lot personally. Light-hearted my arse.
    I noticed you shut down the Vladimir Putin appreciation thread this morning for being "too political".
    This thread had been running for nearly four years, had 3815 posts and 255 pages, so when and how did you come to the conclusion that it was "too political"?


  • #77
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Keyzer wrote: »
    And whats the issue with people talking about those topics? Clearly there is an appetite for discussion.

    There is. But is AH the place for it? AH as per the charter is for light hearted off beat threads.

    Should we have another forum where threads not fit for politics, LGBT, social welfare forum go and people can say whatever they like?

    Sort of like the Thunderdome.


  • #78
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Took 4 (FOUR) years to figure out the Vladimir Putin thread was political..


  • #79
    Boards.ie: Mark
    Boards.ie Employee Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mark
    Boards.ie Employee


    Mod Note: A reminder that you need 100 posts and to have been registered for at least 3 months to post in Feedback.

    How can I? User's guide to some features on the new site



  • #80
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    I noticed you shut down the Vladimir Putin appreciation thread this morning for being "too political".
    This thread had been running for nearly four years, had 3815 posts and 255 pages, so when and how did you come to the conclusion that it was "too political"?

    You've misquoted him:
    Not sure why we left this open, it's pure Politics, and weird at that. Thread closed, there's plenty in the Cafe and Politics to discuss Putin etc.

    He said it was political, full stop. Not "too" political. Very nuanced yet important difference. So your point is moot.

    FYI, that thread started off light-hearted but had long become the same handful of posters bickering with each other whilst simultaneously reporting each other. 100% unsuitable for AH. Aaaand was around before any AH mods became AH mods.


  • #81
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    I think that way back when I was a mod it was agreed to let the thread run as long as things remained civil.

    Up til the last 24 hours, there has been no mod action on the thread or reported posts for about 8 months.
    :)


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  • #82
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,727 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I've a solution.

    We create two armed groups. They meet in open battle.

    Winner gets to decide what AH should be.


    Weapons allowed: lightsaber, Staff of Magnus, The Holy Hand Grenade, BFG, Sheep Bomb, Fat Man, Bug Catching Net, Cluckshot, The Penetrator, Tuna Sword, Laptop Gun, Mr. Toots, The Old Worm Woman.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #83
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mark Rippetoe wrote: »
    You've misquoted him:



    He said it was political, full stop. Not "too" political. Very nuanced yet important difference. So your point is moot.

    FYI, that thread started off light-hearted but had long become the same handful of posters bickering with each other whilst simultaneously reporting each other. 100% unsuitable for AH. Aaaand was around before any AH mods became AH mods.
    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    I think that way back when I was a mod it was agreed to let the thread run as long as things remained civil.

    Up til the last 24 hours, there has been no mod action on the thread or reported posts for about 8 months.
    :)

    Ok so which is the truth here?


  • #84
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    To the ones who want AH to be fields of flowers and kittens, where exactly do you want general threads that don't fit into that? Politics Cafe where nobody is allowed to post anything?


  • #85
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    I've a solution.

    We create two armed groups. They meet in open battle.

    Winner gets to decide what AH should be.


    Weapons allowed: lightsaber, Staff of Magnus, The Holy Hand Grenade, BFG, Sheep Bomb, Fat Man, Bug Catching Net, Cluckshot, The Penetrator, Tuna Sword, Laptop Gun, Mr. Toots, The Old Worm Woman.

    Or those who are vaccinated against those who are not, and unleash a virulent form of measles.


  • #86
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Why not ban the offenders from the thread rather than lock a 4 year old thread with thousands of posts?


  • #87
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Why not ban the offenders from the thread rather than lock a 4 year old thread with thousands of posts?

    It's the epitome of lazy moderation. Happens too often all across boards where threads are closed far too quick because it's easier than do the above.


  • #88
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Is ah not supposed to be like chatting to your mates down the pub? Relaxed banter about a wide range of topics, current affairs and general stuff. That's why I read/post there and what makes it good to me. There's enough rules, the moderation is grand.


  • #89
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Is ah not supposed to be like chatting to your mates down the pub? Relaxed banter about a wide range of topics, current affairs and general stuff. That's why I read/post there and what makes it good to me. There's enough rules, the moderation is grand.

    It should be. Relaxed being the operative word. Most thread start out well, with a good input from many posters, but usually around page 4 or 5 its the usual suspects soapboxing about the same sh*t.
    There's no discussion. Just people with their own entrenched views arguing with an "I'm right, youre wrong" mentality.

    Id love if someone could write a script to graph the usernames posting in a thread, how often they post and when they entered a discussion.

    I fully believe you'd get a good hodgepodge of users at the start, then the same usual suspects enter the thread and everyone else leaves.


  • #90
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ok so which is the truth here?

    Both. We're not contradicting each other?


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  • #91
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Why not ban the offenders from the thread rather than lock a 4 year old thread with thousands of posts?
    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    It's the epitome of lazy moderation. Happens too often all across boards where threads are closed far too quick because it's easier than do the above.

    Or how about people discuss politics in the politics forum? Or is that the epitome of lazy posting?


  • #92
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Mark Rippetoe wrote: »
    Or how about people discuss politics in the politics forum? Or is that the epitome of lazy posting?

    Because the politics forum is an absolute mess that does not work at all (one could say by design). Maybe sort that out first, or would it require too much effort?


  • #93
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Because the politics forum is an absolute mess that does not work at all (one could say by design). Maybe sort that out first, or would it require too much effort?

    Why bring it up in a thread about After Hours so?


  • #94
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Mark Rippetoe wrote: »
    Honestly, who gives a flying crap? This is the complete and utter drivel which should be punted off into space

    I thought he made a reasonable point.

    I see the thread lock hammer has come out on some fairly innocuous and generally well argued threads in AH recently. Maybe this thread has something to do with that?


  • #95
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Mark Rippetoe wrote: »
    Why bring it up in a thread about After Hours so?

    Because it's the only alternative for the posts that a lot of people are crying about being in AH. Not an adequate one at all, but the only one. That's hardly difficult to grasp is it?


  • #96
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ok so which is the truth here?

    Eh, both can be true.


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  • #97
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Mark Rippetoe wrote: »
    Why bring it up in a thread about After Hours so?

    Maybe its because AH is the only place some people can post a view. If you have a viewpoint that a certain politics mod doesn't like you are carded and banned for petty things that others get away with. Dispute Resolution is full of complaints about him.

    He censors politics and so people post in AH instead.


  • #98
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mark Rippetoe wrote: »
    Both. We're not contradicting each other?

    Im sorry for my confusion but can you tell me when the last mod action was in that thread and when the last reported post was?


  • #99
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    It's the epitome of lazy moderation. Happens too often all across boards where threads are closed far too quick because it's easier than do the above.

    Actually I think we were too lazy not moving it before. Think it's because it just looked like satire. It was anything but.

    Lazy moderation is following the charter, which expressly forbids political threads?
    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Because the politics forum is an absolute mess that does not work at all (one could say by design). Maybe sort that out first, or would it require too much effort?

    That would not be my problem, being an AH mod.


  • #100
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Nixonbot wrote: »
    Actually I think we were too lazy not moving it before. Think it's because it just looked like satire. It was anything but.

    Lazy moderation is following the charter, which expressly forbids political threads?



    That would not be my problem, being an AH mod.

    Indeed it would not. But it's a site problem and feedback is for the whole site. The relation to AH is where posts go that have now been whinged out of AH in this thread, and at the moment there's no actual forum for them to go in relaity.


  • #101
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Im sorry for my confusion but can you tell me when the last mod action was in that thread and when the last reported post was?

    Today and today.


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