Rock on, Rockall! (it's back)

Kermit.de.frog · 08-06-2019 2:08am

So if UK naval vessels arrest Irish fishing vessels I presume we will be sending our own naval vessels?

gctest50 · 08-06-2019 2:12am

The UK will/should send out a submarine

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 2:18am

gctest50 wrote: »

The UK will/should send out a submarine

Ireland will send out . . . er . . .let's see . . .panti bliss ?

gctest50 · 08-06-2019 2:21am

Nobelium wrote: »

Ireland will send out . . . er . . .let's see . . .panti bliss ?

What's long, hard, full of seamen and f*cks Irish fishing boats ?

https://www.thejournal.ie/shelga-state-papers-1984-1837788-Jan2015/

suicide_circus · 08-06-2019 5:53am

how about this, the UK gets the entire northern third of our island and we get a tiny rock in the north sea?

namloc1980 · 08-06-2019 7:39am

jef yo budra wrote: »

they still have the Trident nuclear submarines though

No they don't. The UK government has those. The Scottish government have strongly worded letters and an inflatable dinghy.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-06-2019 7:48am

We are part of the European Union - whose fishermen also fish there.

If the Scots arrest our fishermen then we should send just one OPV and arrest theirs.

Although I am still at a loss as to how Scotland intends to enforce something they have zero capability of doing.

Cosmo Kramer · 08-06-2019 7:49am

Being served enforcement action by the Scottish Government feels a bit like the international relations equivalent of being served enforcement action by your local community council.

No offence lads, but you're not a real country and it's not a real government, so just go away will ya.

Maybe if they ask their (soon to be) new leader Boris nicely, he might give the issue a mention while he's giving away their fishing rights in return for a few crumbs from the EU table after Brexit.

delly · 08-06-2019 8:00am

I hope they've learned from their Cod War experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LhQ64CP1xo

malinheader · 08-06-2019 8:08am

Cant see the threat by Scotland coming to much. But then again if the Irish government did anything sensible to help their own fishermen it will be a first. Let's hope it doesn't come to our leaders to look for a compromise.

Harry Palmr · 08-06-2019 8:10am

History's least impressive sea battle coming up.

fryup · 08-06-2019 10:15am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XeDvKqI4E

Harry Palmr · 08-06-2019 10:16am

That was in my head after posted but couldn't be arsed to find clip on my mobile while in bed

08-06-2019 10:28am

We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in Rockall, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our unihabitable piece of granite rock, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds (but there are no landing grounds), we shall fight in the fields and in the streets (of which, none), we shall fight in the hills (neither); we shall never surrender (but why?)

TheValeyard · 08-06-2019 10:31am

Can we just move the rock?

Mad_maxx · 08-06-2019 10:34am

Nobelium wrote: »

Fishing rights/administration for Scotland has been devolved to the Scottish Government by the British Parliament.

Scotland is one of the most sectarian countries in the world.

- There's certain loyalist Scottish elements that can be the most anti Irish and sectarian when they start.

The clueless out of touch Dublin government need to wakey wakey on this one.

Most Scots hate us

JohnnyFlash · 08-06-2019 10:42am

I suggest we take a number of our most passionate, and boring, barstool Republicans from this forum and place them on Rockall so they can defend Ireland from the imperialistic swagger of the Scots.

Each will be provided with an air rifle, a book of Pádraic Pearse poetry, and a biscuit tin of ham sandwiches.

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 11:03am

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Being served enforcement action by the Scottish Government feels a bit like the international relations equivalent of being served enforcement action by your local community council.

No offence lads, but you're not a real country and it's not a real government, so just go away will ya.

Maybe if they ask their (soon to be) new leader Boris nicely, he might give the issue a mention while he's giving away their fishing rights in return for a few crumbs from the EU table after Brexit.

That would be a rather foolish assumption. If the Scottish Government asks the British to enforce perceived fishing rights, they will be only too happy to, as it would be a nice political arrangement that would eminently suit both parties.

Brandog · 08-06-2019 11:44am

The Scots are not independent and therefore cannot set their own policy's much.
It is a smoke screen devised by Whitehall. Their shambles political establishment has been exposed for all to see, the emperors new clothes to say. They are leaderless, rudderless, adrift with no moral compass to guide, only some far right myth based on hatred, contempt and the glory of a past soaked in blood, balanced on the misery of countless voiceless souls.
Every now and then some fool, whom believes he controls the sea, plops a union jack upon that rock and claims it. They could always stick a nice base there for a few billion with shiny rockets and marching men to protect.
Smash and grab lads, we will defend the seas inalienable right to be free of the pillaging claims of men.

its_steve116 · 08-06-2019 11:50am

Expected to Rockall, by midnight tonight.

archer22 · 08-06-2019 2:17pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I suggest we take a number of our most passionate, and boring, barstool Republicans from this forum and place them on Rockall so they can defend Ireland from the imperialistic swagger of the Scots.

Each will be provided with an air rifle, a book of Pádraic Pearse poetry, and a biscuit tin of ham sandwiches.

Don't forget the pints of Guinness to keep their motivation up...and the Wolf Tone's music blaring in the background :cool:

blinding · 08-06-2019 2:28pm

SNP . Scotland No Pope must be going back to their roots .

Scotland = A “ Country “ that would not Vote itself a Country when given the Chance = Not a Country .

They also still have more than their share of Orange Bigots .

08-06-2019 3:15pm

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Totally mad to try and claim 24 miles or so of the sea. Bang out of order in my opinion. I've seen UK / Spanish and French boats off the South Coast, I fully expect us to threaten to police our 12 mile limit if the Scottish think the can police somewhere they don't even officially own.

24 miles?

If the radius is 12 miles, then the area is 144 pi, approx 450 miles sq.

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 3:17pm

malinheader wrote: »

But then again if the Irish government did anything sensible to help their own fishermen it will be a first. Let's hope it doesn't come to our leaders to look for a compromise.

Perceptive comment. The Dublin government will do little for Irish interests, especially anything that doesn't effect the Dublin economy or the livelihood of people outside Dublin.

Alf Veedersane · 08-06-2019 3:24pm

Maybe if we give them back Aiden McGeady, we can sort this whole sorry affair up easily enough and everyone is a winner.

Especially Ireland.

Church on Tuesday · 08-06-2019 3:41pm

Gosh, this is a tricky situation.

Real edge of your seat stuff.

blinding · 08-06-2019 3:47pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Gosh, this is a tricky situation.

Real edge of your seat stuff.

Don’t worry about the Scots . A Country that is unwilling to vote itself to be a Real Country when given the chance is not to be taken seriously .

Jim Gazebo · 08-06-2019 3:50pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

24 miles?

If the radius is 12 miles, then the area is 144 pi, approx 450 miles sq.

In other words a 24 mile diameter circle

frosty123 · 08-06-2019 3:54pm

blinding wrote: »

SNP . Scotland No Pope must be going back to their roots .

Scotland = A “ Country “ that would not Vote itself a Country when given the Chance = Not a Country .

They also still have more than their share of Orange Bigots .

And what are you with a comment like that?? Pots and kettles??

08-06-2019 3:58pm

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

In other words a 24 mile diameter circle

Why would you describe a circle in that way, though?

Presumably, it's a way of underestimating the sheer size of the area under discussion. 450-odd square miles sounds somewhat more significant.

It's not much smaller in size than Co. Armagh.

Alf Veedersane · 08-06-2019 3:58pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

24 miles?

If the radius is 12 miles, then the area is 144 pi, approx 450 miles sq.

Mmmmmm....pie.

Charles Babbage · 08-06-2019 4:00pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Why would you describe a circle in that way, though?

Presumably, it's a way of underestimating the sheer size of the area under discussion. 450-odd square miles sounds somewhat more significant.

It's not much smaller in size than Co. Armagh.

Have the British managed to successfully patrol Co. Armagh?

08-06-2019 4:06pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Have the British managed to successfully patrol Co. Armagh?

Getting beyond my scope of knowledge here. I was only interested in the size of the restricted area around Rockall. I don't know who owns Rockall, nor have I any idea of the history of this carraig mara, at which even Peig would turn up her thick snout.

Surely there is some way of sharing the rock.

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 4:17pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Getting beyond my scope of knowledge here. I was only interested in the size of the restricted area around Rockall. I don't know who owns Rockall, nor have I any idea of the history of this carraig mara, at which even Peig would turn up her thick snout.

Surely there is some way of sharing the rock.

Britain (now devolved to Scottish government) claims jurisdiction since they annexed it in 1955, Ireland doesn't claim jurisdiction, but claims it's international waters from a fishing point of view.

"The UK does not make a claim to extended EEZ based on Rockall, as it has ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS); this says that "rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf".[1] However, such features are entitled to a territorial sea extending 12 nautical miles. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

blinding · 08-06-2019 4:33pm

frosty123 wrote: »

And what are you with a comment like that?? Pots and kettles??

My Post = Facts .

blinding · 08-06-2019 4:34pm

In a Fish War . Which Fish fight for which side ?

Del.Monte · 08-06-2019 4:42pm

Good old Scots getting the boot/boat in while they still have a navy. Post independence the Irish naval service should be able to see them off.

badtoro · 08-06-2019 4:49pm

Easy win here, station a few oul wooden trawlers around the rock with instructions to swarm and ram any tan dinghy that approaches.
Start dredging the seabed to build a Ryanair sponsored airstrip to ferry in the specialist troops of feral jackeen teenagers, tell them it's a tour to love island or something.
Put up a windmill to recharge around a dozen off the shelf drones, instant airspace denial force, we've seen the brits ground their entire country at the mere hint of a flying camera.
Float speakers under weather baloons playing the Farage proclaimers song just to remind the Snots how much of a country they're not, and how stupid the country that owns them looks.
Sell the drilling rights for a song, probably to REDACTED.
The Donegal Catch filing cabinet lad can have the fesh.

recedite · 08-06-2019 5:18pm

blinding wrote: »

In a Fish War . Which Fish fight for which side ?

Its more or less 50;50, until the Scots roll out the Loch Ness Monster.
At that point, all the Irish fish change sides.

bob mcbob · 08-06-2019 5:22pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We are part of the European Union - whose fishermen also fish there.

If the Scots arrest our fishermen then we should send just one OPV and arrest theirs.

Although I am still at a loss as to how Scotland intends to enforce something they have zero capability of doing.

Ahem.

https://www2.gov.scot/Topics/marine/Compliance/resources/Vessels

Britain's sea fisheries have been protected and controlled by the authority of Parliament for nearly 200 years, but in 1882 responsibility for protecting Scottish waters was given to the Fishery Board for Scotland.

The first vessel that the Board took over was a former Royal Navy sailing cutter "Vigilant", which had worked for some years on protection tasks. Over the years, new ships were added to the fishery protection fleet and responsibility for managing the task of fishery protection was transferred at different times to various Government bodies, including the Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency and now Marine Scotland Compliance.

Currently, Marine Scotland Compliance has three ships in its fleet of Marine Protection Vessels (MPVs):

MPV Minna

MPV Minna was built at Ferguson's Shipyard, Port Glasgow and was launched in 2003. She is 42 metres in length and has a gross tonnage of 781. She has a crew of 15, a top speed of 14 knots and is used mainly for inshore enforcement tasks.

MPV Jura

MPV Jura was built at Ferguson's Shipyard, Port Glasgow. She was launched in 2005 and entered service in March 2006. Currently the largest vessel in the fleet - at 1 tonne heavier than the MPV Hirta - she is 84 metres in length and has a gross tonnage of 2,181. She has a crew of 17, a top speed of 18 knots and is used mainly for offshore enforcement tasks.

MPV Hirta

MPV Hirta is the newest of our ships and is the same type of ship as the FPV Jura. Built at the Remontowa Yard in Gdansk, Poland she entered service in 2008. She is 84 metres in length and has a gross tonnage of 2,181. She has a crew of 17, a top speed of 18 knots and is used mainly for offshore enforcement tasks.

archer22 · 08-06-2019 5:28pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Good old Scots getting the boot/boat in while they still have a navy. Post independence the Irish naval service should be able to see them off.

In fairness the Scots are tough fighters, majority of the SAS are Scots.

And in the first world war the Germans used to refer to the Scots as "the ferocious ladies"

cml387 · 08-06-2019 5:29pm

I remember this vaguely (Irish Times is source):

In 1977, with Mike Murphy, he (Adrian Cronin Late Late Show director) challenged the BBC to a race to Rockall with the costs to be paid by the loser. This was after the BBC programme Nationwide said it would send a team to the disputed rock and plant a Union Jack, thereby reinforcing Britain’s claim to ownership. But Nationwide refused to accept the challenge; a spokesman said its plan was part of a film schedule, and not a race.

08-06-2019 5:35pm

policarp wrote: »

So it,s like the Faulklands, we,ll have to fight over it.

Not that different politically.

The Argentine government start banging on about the Falklands when they start losing popularity. It seems the SNP are doing the same thing.

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 5:36pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We are part of the European Union - whose fishermen also fish there.

If the Scots arrest our fishermen then we should send just one OPV and arrest theirs.

Although I am still at a loss as to how Scotland intends to enforce something they have zero capability of doing.

Do you really think the Scottish and British have not thought this through, their tactics, Ireland's likely next moves, and their counter moves, before kicking this off and choosing to provoke it at this time ? You're a fool if you think they haven't. Ireland and it's government needs to plan there next few moves very carefully.

08-06-2019 5:37pm

Nobelium wrote: »

Do you really think the Scottish and British have not thought this through, their tactics, Ireland's likely next moves, and their counter moves, before kicking this off and choosing to provoke it at this time ? You're a fool if you think they haven't. Ireland and it's government needs to plan there next few moves very carefully.

You mean, like Brexit :pac:

janfebmar · 08-06-2019 5:37pm

archer22 wrote: »

In fairness the Scots are tough fighters, majority of the SAS are Scots.

And in the first world war the Germans used to refer to the Scots as "the ferocious ladies"

That reminds me, didn't some SAS man ledge himself on top of the rock a good few decades ago and stay there a few months, to claim it for Britain? Tough as nuts.

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 5:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You mean, like Brexit :pac:

Britians brexit problems are due to conservatives not having a large enough parliamentary majority, not lack of strategy.

08-06-2019 5:59pm

Nobelium wrote: »

Britians brexit problems are due to conservatives not having a large enough parliamentary majority, not lack of strategy.

You think it was well thought out?!?

And to ask what strategy the UK had, though humorous, would derail the thread.

gozunda · 08-06-2019 6:01pm

Reckon we could replace the Americans with the Scots in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajq8eag4Mvc

Silent Running · 08-06-2019 6:02pm

This could lead to an interesting conversation if Brexit goes badly and the Scots want to break away and rejoin the EU. The first words from the EU might be: So, Rockall, eh?

Rock on, Rockall! (it's back)

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