Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 11:29pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

He did try to blame alcohol, including suggesting that Diageo's products were involved. The disgusting WhatsApp messages were sent the following day, after Jackson and Olding would have sobered up, so alcohol can't be blamed for their misogynistic attitudes.

Are we all not blaming alcohol? Because we should.

He didn't blame Diageo for what happened, he said alcohol was involved and it was hypocritical of a drinks company to claim to have 'values' given that.

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 11:31pm

jm08 wrote: »

Vulgarity is the least of the issues I'd have with their text messages. I'd have more of a problem with their attitude to women. Eileen Battersby wrote an article in Irish Times where she talked about being in the company of the Munster team (her husband was Munster's Press person), where young women would be actually throwing themselves at the players, but the players were able to restrain themselves and not take advantage of them.

Why would Eileen's issue not be with the 'young women' in this scenario?

13-06-2019 11:36pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No he didn't. He alluded to the hypocrisy of a company claiming to have 'values' while selling it's product any which way it can.

No Francie....he mentioned alcohol and maybe even diageo products were consumed and contributed to the incident.. Did you even watch it or are you just disagreeing as I'm not a Jackson fanboy

Gimme A Pound · 13-06-2019 11:37pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would Eileen's issue not be with the 'young women' in this scenario?

Quote marks unnecessary.

Seems to me she recognises their eejitry.

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 11:38pm

Augeo wrote: »

No Francie....he mentioned alcohol and maybe even diageo products were consumed and contributed to the incident.. Did you even watch it or are you just disagreeing as I'm not a Jackson fanboy

The context of what he was saying was the hypocrisy of a drinks company having 'values' about this.

Do you think we would be here if they were all sober?

13-06-2019 11:38pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are we all not blaming alcohol? Because we should.

He didn't blame Diageo for what happened, he said alcohol was involved and it was hypocritical of a drinks company to claim to have 'values' given that.

Why should we blame alcohol?
FFS would you wake up 😂

13-06-2019 11:41pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

....

Do you think we would be here if they were all sober?

Yup....quite likely.
The lads weren't too drunk according to themselves iirc.

jm08 · 13-06-2019 11:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And yourself. The people at that party where not there under duress. What we know is that one person says there was no consent. That person was drunk and went to the house alone and somehow ended upstairs with a man she didn't know, not once, but twice.
The jury decided there was no evidence worthy of saying that rape occurred.

I don't think that person was drunk (from what she said she had to drink and testimony of one of the 3 girls).

As for evidence of rape - there never is. Its one person's word against anothers (or 4 peoples).

I'd love to know that you think of this bit of conversation:

Just before noon on June 28th, McIlroy had asked in a message: “What the f*** was going on? Last night was hilarious.” A subsequent message was not recovered, however McIlroy followed that up with: “really f*** sake” and “Did U calm her and where did she live.” Harrison immediately replied; “Mate no jokes she was in hysterics” and “Wasn’t going to end well.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/inside-court-12-the-complete-story-of-the-belfast-rape-trial-1.3443620

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-06-2019 11:49pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are we all not blaming alcohol? Because we should.

He didn't blame Diageo for what happened, he said alcohol was involved and it was hypocritical of a drinks company to claim to have 'values' given that.

"None of it would have happened if alcohol hadn't been involved"

"I'd wonder how much of Diageo's product was consumed on the night"

Given the fact that most people can consume alcohol without becoming 'top shaggers' who view a woman they were 'spit-roasting' as being akin to 'a merry-go-round at a carnival', it seems unfair to blame alcohol for Jackson and Olding's actions.

KaneToad · 13-06-2019 11:50pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

He did try to blame alcohol, including suggesting that Diageo's products were involved. The disgusting WhatsApp messages were sent the following day, after Jackson and Olding would have sobered up, so alcohol can't be blamed for their misogynistic attitudes.

Olding testified he had consumed:

Eight cans of beer, “a few” pints of Guinness, two gin and tonics, five vodka and lemonades, “a few” shots, and a beer.

FrancieBrady · 13-06-2019 11:51pm

Augeo wrote: »

Yup....quite likely.
The lads weren't too drunk according to themselves iirc.

Pre club drinks - drinks in the club and beers at the house. The girl's memory was hazy because of what she had drunk.

jm08 · 13-06-2019 11:57pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would Eileen's issue not be with the 'young women' in this scenario?

Why would she have an issue with them?

Gangu · 13-06-2019 11:57pm

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

They were fairly happy to have a rugby player who cheated on his wife with multiple men with the threat of spreading HIV front and centre for them weren't they?

I also have a feeling they won't be pulling any sponsorship of Irish Rugby considering Sean O'Brien can't control his bladder now..[/quote
Ah true colours here. Bias.

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2019 12:00am

jm08 wrote: »

I don't think that person was drunk (from what she said she had to drink and testimony of one of the 3 girls).

As for evidence of rape - there never is. Its one person's word against anothers (or 4 peoples).

I'd love to know that you think of this bit of conversation:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/inside-court-12-the-complete-story-of-the-belfast-rape-trial-1.3443620

I have a family member, an in-law, who ends up fighting with somebody at family parties and in tears etc etc. drink does not suit them. It is as sure as the sun sets. There are hundreds of comments of a similar nature in our various family Whatsapps.
Anybody reading them dispassionately and refusing to believe that such people exist would think the worst of us too.

Muahahaha · 14-06-2019 12:02am

jm08 wrote: »

I doubt if Olding had 20+ pints of Guinness!

According to Olding himself he had eight cans, four pints, five vodkas, two gins and three shots

https://twitter.com/SkepticalHippo_/status/1139294800731992065

FrancieBrady · 14-06-2019 12:03am

jm08 wrote: »

Why would she have an issue with them?

'Young women throwing themselves' at men who are not interested? Can any blame be attached to women these days?

14-06-2019 12:09am

jm08 wrote: »

Why would she have an issue with them?

why do you have an issue with any of it?

if woman are throwing themselves at rugby players, what about that do you think strengthens anything you're arguing?

that some fella who was around that atmosphere told his wife that nothing ever happened that he saw?

jesus even if this wasnt third hand and frankly highly likely to be sanitised, its hardly relevant at all to your desperation for these lads to have been found guilty

(they werent btw not sure youve spotted that)

hullaballoo · 14-06-2019 12:13am

Locking this thread up to give mods a chance to review.

Some absolutely cack performances from all sorts though.

Belfast rape trial discussion thread II

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