This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

unkel · 14-01-2021 9:40pm

Familiale!

That's the more typical 2 + 3 + bench in the third row that I mentioned recently. That Peugeot was an outlier with 2 + 2 + bench

Got a years NCT on it too and seems in good nick. How much would that be worth, surely 5k?

Duke O Smiley · 15-01-2021 2:29am

I'm sure it was on Donedeal for sale originally for €8k?

Duke O Smiley · 15-01-2021 2:30am

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/austin-devon-a40/26979958

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Nice project to keep someone busy over the next few months, €2k

You have to really like these sort of cars to enjoy them though, and I suppose plenty do.

RobAMerc · 15-01-2021 8:10am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I'm sure it was on Donedeal for sale originally for €8k?

yes, and went through this auction too.

you may remember this

Duke O Smiley · 15-01-2021 9:49pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/nissan-micra-1987/26987098

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This is a potentially cheap little fixer upper for someone

I know, a Micra is hardly the last word in bonafide classic circles, but there is something charming about a 34 year old example. Seems well priced at €850 too depending on the kind of work needed. Could be made into a handy little classic tax frugal runaround for someone

BonnieSituation · 15-01-2021 10:07pm

I'm almost certain that was up before for a similar price as well.

It was an 86 3dr in metallic light green. Around August last year for 950.

Duke O Smiley · 16-01-2021 5:40am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I'm almost certain that was up before for a similar price as well.

It was an 86 3dr in metallic light green. Around August last year for 950.

A fella I know out Swords direction had that green Micra. It was a nice one

Toyotafanboi · 16-01-2021 9:45pm

Don't know if it matters too much for the price but is that a big dent in the bonnet?

My mam had a 1990 one, red, 3rd, it was 1.2 i think. Would have very fond memories of it and definitely the car i first got a grasp for driving in at the age of 11 or 12.

bonzodog2 · 16-01-2021 9:59pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Don't know if it matters too much for the price but is that a big dent in the bonnet? .

looks like a shadow from a lamppost?

Toyotafanboi · 16-01-2021 10:00pm

Not there, look just above the Nissan badge.

con747 · 16-01-2021 10:26pm

MK I Cortina /Rover p6 3.5S https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mk-i-cortina-rover-p6-3-5s/26983098?campaign=3
1986 Citroen 2cv Special €8275 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/citroen-2cv-special/26995943

KevRossi · 16-01-2021 11:12pm

con747 wrote: »

MK I Cortina /Rover p6 3.5S https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mk-i-cortina-rover-p6-3-5s/26983098?campaign=3
1986 Citroen 2cv Special €8275 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/citroen-2cv-special/26995943

That Citroen is very good value at that price once they get the NCT done.

elperello · 16-01-2021 11:19pm

This 305 looks very clean.
Bargain at that price
The country was full of these, nearly all gone.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1986-peugeot-305-srd/26995901

Duke O Smiley · 16-01-2021 11:25pm

Cool car, but that bubbling on the rear quarter spells disaster to me

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elperello · 16-01-2021 11:30pm

I missed that.

Looks like someone touched it up badly.

Maybe the rest is solid.

mikehn · 17-01-2021 1:09am

elperello wrote: »

This 305 looks very clean.
Bargain at that price
The country was full of these, nearly all gone.

Always liked these but I suppose the Brexit penalty will be steep. Vat 20% + customs 10% + nox

Duke O Smiley · 17-01-2021 1:11am

Not if it comes from the North (as is registered to a NI address)

mikehn · 17-01-2021 1:55am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Not if it comes from the North (as is registered to a NI address)

Interesting, I was told by a VRT official that they were taking an all Ireland approach to vintage imports, so all good, no penalties for bringing in Northern stuff. But I read a couple of days ago that if the goods originated in the UK and transited through the North then there would be a liability. I assumed then that if you were importing a car from the North with a UK mainland reg., then as having originated in the UK it would be a case of pay up and look happy. So a bit of good news from you. Thanks

CoBo55 · 17-01-2021 12:54pm

con747 wrote: »

MK I Cortina /Rover p6 3.5S https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mk-i-cortina-rover-p6-3-5s/26983098?campaign=3
1986 Citroen 2cv Special €8275 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/citroen-2cv-special/26995943

If the Cortina is actually constructed of steel rather than filler over chicken wire and is a genuine 1500 super you'd be getting a good deal.

welder · 17-01-2021 1:25pm

mikehn wrote: »

elperello wrote: »

This 305 looks very clean.
Bargain at that price
The country was full of these, nearly all gone.

Always liked these but I suppose the Brexit penalty will be steep. Vat 20% + customs 10% + nox

No Nox on over 30 year old

oceanman · 17-01-2021 3:17pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-starlet-1990-1-0-new-nct/25091416

unkel · 17-01-2021 3:24pm

oceanman wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-starlet-1990-1-0-new-nct/25091416

Looks tidy for the money. I always wonder though, if you are going to buy a classic car and avail of the €56 per year vintage tax, no matter how big the engine is, why on earth would you pick a 1.0l car?

oceanman · 17-01-2021 4:03pm

unkel wrote: »

Looks tidy for the money. I always wonder though, if you are going to buy a classic car and avail of the €56 per year vintage tax, no matter how big the engine is, why on earth would you pick a 1.0l car?

probably for simplicity of maintenance and cheap parts.

CoBo55 · 17-01-2021 4:20pm

oceanman wrote: »

probably for simplicity of maintenance and cheap parts.

Neither of which is true in the case of a Starlet, they're a pig to work on and parts prices are certainly not cheap. Been there, not going there again:pac:

oceanman · 17-01-2021 4:33pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

Neither of which is true in the case of a Starlet, they're a pig to work on and parts prices are certainly not cheap. Been there, not going there again:pac:

You obviously never worked on anything very complex if you find a starlet hard...

zetecescort · 17-01-2021 4:42pm

a bit like the Micra a few posts back any buyer would have a nostalgic connection to the model rather than looking for performance

Duke O Smiley · 17-01-2021 6:02pm

There is something appealing (IMO) about the prospect of something like a Micra, Starlet, Polo etc on classic tax that can be insured and maintained for a pittance, biennial NCT now for added appeal. If you’ve got the space, you just leave it in a corner for probably 50 weeks of the year or whatever, spend about €150 keeping the legalities in order, and it’s ready to use whenever you might need it.

In 2018 I bought a 1990 657cc Suzuki Alto from a breakers yard with a full years NCT for €150. It was a total shed, but it ran well and I would argue that it was cheaper to keep and run for the 15 months I had it than paying DART fares five days a week for the same length of time. Four brand new Firestone tyres cost €80, a timing belt and water pump kit was €50, it never took more than about €25 to fill the tank, and at the time I think Autoline added it to my policy for something like €60. It was an awesome little car too, a lot of fun to throw around.

I sold it to a member here in 2019 and he still has it AFAIK, and I’m sure it’s still providing stellar (and cheap!) service as ever.

Of course, this only works if the car itself can be bought cheap. Not even I would pay €2500 for a Starlet!

The day I bought it

Always put to good use

CoBo55 · 17-01-2021 6:49pm

oceanman wrote: »

You obviously never worked on anything very complex if you find a starlet hard...

They aren't as easy as you're portraying and parts are definitely not cheap. Something like a MK1 Punto would fit your criteria.
Lot of smart alecs here this evening... Nothing new I suppose.

RobAMerc · 17-01-2021 7:01pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

There is something appealing (IMO) about the prospect of something like a Micra, Starlet, Polo etc on classic tax that can be insured and maintained for a pittance, biennial NCT now for added appeal. If you’ve got the space, you just leave it in a corner for probably 50 weeks of the year or whatever, spend about €150 keeping the legalities in order, and it’s ready to use whenever you might need it.

I agree Duke, but the Starlet and Micra are just the most characterless cars you could image - the Alto at least has that tiny engine which is willing to spin the nuts off itself to just keep up with traffic etc. I drove a Yaris auto once my Mum was considering, it left me totally cold. She bought a Punto Selecta instead (which despite the horror stories :rolleyes: gave 0 trouble) and it was just a much nicer car to be in.

oceanman · 17-01-2021 7:03pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

They aren't as easy as you're portraying and parts are definitely not cheap. Something like a MK1 Punto would fit your criteria.
Lot of smart alecs here this evening... Nothing new I suppose.

if you find a starlet hard to work on maybe classics are not your thing, and when you say parts are not cheap....compared to what exactly?

CoBo55 · 17-01-2021 7:20pm

oceanman wrote: »

if you find a starlet hard to work on maybe classics are not your thing, and when you say parts are not cheap....compared to what exactly?

A Starlet never was and never will be A Classic. I never said I found it hard to work on, what I said was is that there's this misconception that an aul starlet can be kept on the road for feck all and you'd have the clutch changed before your breakfast, no you won't. Yes they'll drone on forever but when something goes wrong they aren't as easy to work on as you'd think. Compared to a Fiesta, Punto and even the dreaded Micra, parts are more expensive and dealer specific. The 94 xli I was looking after was dealer only for the fanbelt, the auto factors had two types listed neither of which fitted, I had to give Boggans 3 times the price of auto factors belt, and wait over a week to get it. Auto factor drive was wrong, blue print one was wrong, Boggans again...

Duke O Smiley · 17-01-2021 7:56pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

I agree Duke, but the Starlet and Micra are just the most characterless cars you could image - the Alto at least has that tiny engine which is willing to spin the nuts off itself to just keep up with traffic etc. I drove a Yaris auto once my Mum was considering, it left me totally cold. She bought a Punto Selecta instead (which despite the horror stories :rolleyes: gave 0 trouble) and it was just a much nicer car to be in.

Ah, to be fair, driving a thirty four old Micra in modern day traffic can be an event. I’ve had plenty of Starlets, Micras, Cinquecentos etc and they can be enjoyed. However, I do agree that nostalgia is probably the reason that most people buy and keep them.

Tzardine · 17-01-2021 8:56pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

A Starlet never was and never will be A Classic....

I disagree. I think every car will eventually be a classic. Every car has its enthusiasts, and while I would have no interest in a Starlet, I am very fond of Fiestas, and many people would also say they will never be classics.

Believe it or not, in 30 years there will be people that are into classic Dacia Sanderos. Its just the way it is. Each to their own.

SmartinMartin · 18-01-2021 1:04am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

You're feeding that springer too well if she's bringing back sticks like that.

kindalen · 18-01-2021 9:36am

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/citroen-bx-gti/27005352

Claims to have owned it a few years. Motor Tax shows it changing ownership on 2/11/2020.

Think was up for sale for a lot less, anyone remember how much?

Duke O Smiley · 18-01-2021 9:40am

kindalen wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/citroen-bx-gti/27005352

Claims to have owned it a few years. Motor Tax shows it changing ownership on 2/11/2020.

Think was up for sale for a lot less, anyone remember how much?

He has owned it for a few years, I know that for sure. It was advertised about a year or so ago but not for a whole lot cheaper than it is now.

KevRossi · 18-01-2021 9:57am

kindalen wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/citroen-bx-gti/27005352

Claims to have owned it a few years. Motor Tax shows it changing ownership on 2/11/2020.

Think was up for sale for a lot less, anyone remember how much?

It was on sale about 5 years ago for €1500. I wanted it, but was abroad and couldn't get back to look at it. Took a while to sell at that price too. No idea if it needed work or not.

Duke O Smiley · 18-01-2021 10:05am

I think the fact that it’s an 8v does it’s desirability no favours.

unkel · 18-01-2021 10:19am

Still pretty decent value for money though isn't it? By all means a nice classic car in my book. Also has a valid NCT, which seems to be the exception rather than the rule these days.

SmartinMartin · 18-01-2021 10:53am

I remember it well because I was thinking of buying it. It was on for €3950 about 2.5 years ago.

unkel · 18-01-2021 11:23am

Price increase is par for the course now it has the €56 tax. Nice classic car for the money.

Duke O Smiley · 18-01-2021 11:27am

unkel wrote: »

Still pretty decent value for money though isn't it? By all means a nice classic car in my book. Also has a valid NCT, which seems to be the exception rather than the rule these days.

I agree, it’s a lovely car and not something you’ll see w lot of on these shores. Would I have one over an equivalent 8v Golf GTI in similar condition, I’m not sure, but I’m guessing there’s a lot of people out there who’ll dismiss it on account of being a Citroen.

unkel · 18-01-2021 11:33am

ba_barabus had one (not a GTi) and seems to know these cars well, hopefully he'll come on here to comment.

Duke O Smiley · 18-01-2021 11:34am

Ba sold his BX to the guy currently selling the GTI!

KevRossi · 18-01-2021 2:28pm

I checked some emails I sent a mate around the time of the sale. It was on sale in 2013, for around €1250, then dropped to €950. One person I wanted to look over the car for me was in Oz, I was trying to get someone to look at it, but he was too far away.

No idea how much work it needed, can't remmeber if it was NCT'd, but it left a good impression on me. Total bargain if it was OK.

It was up a few years later for around €3K, now over €5K. Worth a shot I guess, but there's a very small market here for them.

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I agree, it’s a lovely car and not something you’ll see w lot of on these shores. Would I have one over an equivalent 8v Golf GTI in similar condition, I’m not sure, but I’m guessing there’s a lot of people out there who’ll dismiss it on account of being a Citroen.

I think the BX Gti regularly won tests against other cars around that time in various magazines, so can't have been too bad.

I love it, but I'm not buying it.

Beltby · 18-01-2021 3:40pm

I'm sure they have the same engine as the Peugeot 205 1.9 gti.

RobAMerc · 18-01-2021 5:05pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I think the fact that it’s an 8v does it’s desirability no favours.

Beltby wrote: »

I'm sure they have the same engine as the Peugeot 205 1.9 gti.

I think thats where all the 16v ones went - into 205gti

I think thats a lovely car and seems decent value and a sure rarity. Having only ever once driven a BX which understeered so awfully I got out to see what was wrong with it, I dont know what brand of saucery Citroen would have had to perform to make it handle anything like a 'GTI' though !

con747 · 18-01-2021 6:14pm

1985 Flat Front Saab 900 €2300 https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/all-original-1985-flat-front-saab-900/26455511
Looks good value if it checks out.

unkel · 18-01-2021 6:24pm

Looks lovely and very cheap. Love that dark green colour. On brit plates though and no MOT...

KevRossi · 18-01-2021 6:56pm

And a sagging headliner. Nice car all the same.

This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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