Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

Ruraldweller56 · 15-06-2019 1:07am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sound.
paragraphs help your cause too.

So tl;dr for your rant?

Some people were abused and were called bad names. Homophobia.

Lots of other people were abused and called bad names but they weren't gay. It's ok though. Probs not a hate crime.

If you want to be a victim, you can. That goes for everyone of any race, creed or ability.

Identity politics is poison. Except most other poisonous identity politics don't involve mentally ill middle aged men and women shoving their rusty trombones in small young kids faces.

It's high time this crap is stopped.

We get it. Some people are gay.

Now just live your own lives and piss off.

Mod

Banned

Ruraldweller56 · 15-06-2019 1:12am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Identity politics is poison. Except most other poisonous identity politics don't involve mentally ill middle aged men and women shoving their rusty trombones in small young kids faces.

It's high time this crap is stopped.

We get it. Some people are gay.

Now just live your own lives and piss off.

Look at the likes of Paddy Manning.

A decent, good individual who I happen to know personally.

Tells me oppression of gay people is over. Let's move on.

Not enough for our ****lib twats apparently

cloudatlas · 15-06-2019 7:46am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Identity politics is poison. Except most other poisonous identity politics don't involve mentally ill middle aged men and women shoving their rusty trombones in small young kids faces.

It's high time this crap is stopped.

We get it. Some people are gay.

Now just live your own lives and piss off.

If you don’t like it then don’t go to the tiny area of town that it’s on for like an hour then and it won’t be ‘rubbed’ in your face.

Btw it’s not just the parade there’s loads of charity and community work taking place as well.

cloudatlas · 15-06-2019 7:47am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

None for me so far.

If my employer goes down the LGBT mandatory lanyard route I will hand in my notice on grounds of equality.

No organisation would enforce that Ever but that doesn’t serve your hysteria.

cloudatlas · 15-06-2019 7:49am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Look at the likes of Paddy Manning.

A decent, good individual who I happen to know personally.

Tells me oppression of gay people is over. Let's move on.

Not enough for our ****lib twats apparently

Loads of homophobic comments in this thread but glad to hear it’s all over, according to paddy.

_Kaiser_ · 15-06-2019 7:52am

Having read back through the last few dozen posts, the level of vitriolic nonsense and abuse from I'm assuming gay posters towards anyone with a different view on the subject is frankly ridiculous - FFS I even saw a post suggesting someone get steralised!

If these posts are by straight posters then it's even more farcical - but in any case it does prove my previous point about the problem with many 'liberal' folks nowadays: a dangerously simplistic "anyone not with us is against us!" view of the world and an inability to accept or even properly discuss a topic without resorting to abuse.

It's frankly childish, and like dealing with a toddler who hasn't heard the word "no" enough, and it's definitely far more damaging to the "cause" (LGBT normalisation in this case) than anything I've seen posted here. It's always amusing that far from being accepting, and open-minded they are in fact more intolerant and inflexible than those they would attack.

Some people need to take a long hard look at themselves and their attitudes before they start criticising others for their views - but, that would require a level of awareness and openness that I doubt they possess.

Stop moaning ffs · 15-06-2019 8:10am

This the same paddy Manning that campaigned against marriage equality ‘as a gay man’ and appeared on every single panel and debate in the run up to the referendum?
He’s a far right trump loving wing nut. And clearly damaged from something in his past. Definition of self loathing gay. I feel bad for him tbh.

Stop moaning ffs · 15-06-2019 8:36am

This is why pride is important.
1 in 5 LGBT teens attempted suicide this past year

‘Stakeholders in public schools need to take responsibility for their roles in creating welcoming environments for queer and trans youth. We are letting them down.

“Less than half of LGBTQ respondents
were out to an adult at school,
with youth less likely to disclose their gender identity than sexual orientation”

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/The-Trevor-Project-National-Survey-Results-2019.pdf

cloudatlas · 15-06-2019 8:52am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Having read back through the last few dozen posts, the level of vitriolic nonsense and abuse from I'm assuming gay posters towards anyone with a different view on the subject is frankly ridiculous - FFS I even saw a post suggesting someone get steralised!

If these posts are by straight posters then it's even more farcical - but in any case it does prove my previous point about the problem with many 'liberal' folks nowadays: a dangerously simplistic "anyone not with us is against us!" view of the world and an inability to accept or even properly discuss a topic without resorting to abuse.

It's frankly childish, and like dealing with a toddler who hasn't heard the word "no" enough, and it's definitely far more damaging to the "cause" (LGBT normalisation in this case) than anything I've seen posted here. It's always amusing that far from being accepting, and open-minded they are in fact more intolerant and inflexible than those they would attack.

Some people need to take a long hard look at themselves and their attitudes before they start criticising others for their views - but, that would require a level of awareness and openness that I doubt they possess.

Just because you're bent out of shape because your favourite tv show introduced a couple of lgbt characters. You say awareness is lacking, I would say empathy is lacking in the case of the majority of posters who are center right in this thread a failure to imagine what it might be like to be other than they are and a refusal to explore it.

Mad_maxx · 15-06-2019 9:10am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Look at the likes of Paddy Manning.

A decent, good individual who I happen to know personally.

Tells me oppression of gay people is over. Let's move on.

Not enough for our ****lib twats apparently

Paddy manning is attacked for being a pro life Conservative, not for being gay

Mad_maxx · 15-06-2019 9:11am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

This the same paddy Manning that campaigned against marriage equality ‘as a gay man’ and appeared on every single panel and debate in the run up to the referendum?
He’s a far right trump loving wing nut. And clearly damaged from something in his past. Definition of self loathing gay. I feel bad for him tbh.

You don't feel bad for him, stop lieing

gmisk · 15-06-2019 9:25am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

This the same paddy Manning that campaigned against marriage equality ‘as a gay man’ and appeared on every single panel and debate in the run up to the referendum?
He’s a far right trump loving wing nut. And clearly damaged from something in his past. Definition of self loathing gay. I feel bad for him tbh.

His bright orange sign at a protest which just read GAY MAN was a highlight!

Not as good as the holy oven glove and tea towel but close.

I do not in any way feel bad for him or that other well known self loathing gay guy who was at every debate campaigning against gay marriage...who didn't even vote because he was at...eurovision...lol.
He did get a nice wee free trip to Australia after to protest there as well....that went well..

15-06-2019 9:27am

cloudatlas wrote:

Loads of homophobic comments in this thread but glad to hear itâ€™s all over, according to paddy.

Lots of false accusations of homophobia too.

cloudatlas · 15-06-2019 10:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

Lots of false accusations of homophobia too.

I could go back through the thread but 51 pages can't be arsed, the backs against the wall comment, all the 'it's being shoved in my face' comments, the thinly veiled I prefer my gays masc and not camp comments, 'why must they go on about being gay' comments reveal an inherent comfortableness with sex and sexuality, even the comment about 'normalisation' which sounds like something out of nazi eugenics hand book. If these people are truly okay with people going about their everyday and being gay then none of this should be a problem its a minority parade that lasts a very short time in town, you don't have to engage with it, you don't have to watch it but according to this thread their is enforced watching of the parade, eye lids are being prised open and you have to engage with the gay community, nope not buying it sorry you don't simply don't go, simply don't watch, simply... don't.

15-06-2019 10:06am

cloudatlas wrote:

I could go back through the thread but 51 pages can't be arsed, the backs against the wall comment, all the 'it's being shoved in my face' comments, the thinly veiled I prefer my gays masc and not camp comments, 'why must they go on about being gay' comments reveal an inherent comfortableness with sex and sexuality, even the comment about 'normalisation' which sounds like something out of nazi eugenics hand book. If these people are truly okay with people going about their everyday and being gay then none of this should be a problem its a minority parade that lasts a very short time in town, you don't have to engage with it, you don't have to watch it but according to this thread their is enforced watching of the parade, eye lids are being prised open and you have to engage with the gay community, nope not buying it sorry you don't simply don't go, simply don't watch, simply... don't.

Yeah. I haven't seen a lot of people moan about the parade. There has been many questions asked about the suitability for children to attend and the need for pride celebrations to be a month long but with regards to people having a problem with the parade itself? I don't think many (if any) do.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-06-2019 10:16am

I won't be partaking in any pride events probably never will but I'll make up for it by not tolerating prejudice and standing up for any victims of intimidation or bullying I encounter on my travels. No excuse for homophobia or racism in this day and age and that's why pride is a good thing.

cloudatlas · 15-06-2019 10:16am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah. I haven't seen a lot of people moan about the parade. There has been many questions asked about the suitability for children to attend and the need for pride celebrations to be a month long but with regards to people having a problem with the parade itself? I don't think many (if any) do.

The question of the thread is are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month? My niece is coming to the pride breakfast with me, I'm sure some on this thread will clutch their pearls... but there have been most definitely homophobic comments in this thread and comments that are tinged with disgust and lack sex positivity. There are other month long events as you well know. Its just a way for various organisations bookshops, charities, muscians to hold events over a long period in small venues for a couple of hours. Again you very much don't have to attend nobody is shoving it in your face

gmisk · 15-06-2019 11:01am

cloudatlas wrote: »

The question of the thread is are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month? My niece is coming to the pride breakfast with me, I'm sure some on this thread will clutch their pearls... but there have been most definitely homophobic comments in this thread and comments that are tinged with disgust and lack sex positivity. There are other month long events as you well know. Its just a way for various organisations bookshops, charities, muscians to hold events over a long period in small venues for a couple of hours. Again you very much don't have to attend nobody is shoving it in your face

I hope you and your niece enjoy it, I have heard it is a lot of fun.
I agree some of the events around pride are excellent, I went to one with Lydia Foy which I found fascinating and really eye opening, it focussed on transgender rights etc

15-06-2019 11:30am

cloudatlas wrote:

The question of the thread is are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month? My niece is coming to the pride breakfast with me, I'm sure some on this thread will clutch their pearls... but there have been most definitely homophobic comments in this thread and comments that are tinged with disgust and lack sex positivity. There are other month long events as you well know. Its just a way for various organisations bookshops, charities, muscians to hold events over a long period in small venues for a couple of hours. Again you very much don't have to attend nobody is shoving it in your face

I genuinely hope you and your niece have a great time. Enjoy every minute.

Stop moaning ffs · 15-06-2019 2:25pm

There’s that one protester guy that’s been at every single Pride I’ve been to. If you’ve been you’ll have seen him. With the glasses and the John 3:16 sign.

He runs ahead of the March. Stands there with his sign. And when the March has passed he runs all the way to the front of it again.

I don’t know where he gets the energy.

Least he shows up and knows what actually happens.

eviltwin · 15-06-2019 2:30pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

There’s that one protester guy that’s been at every single Pride I’ve been to. If you’ve been you’ll have seen him. With the glasses and the John 3:16 sign.

He runs ahead of the March. Stands there with his sign. And when the March has passed he runs all the way to the front of it again.

I don’t know where he gets the energy.

Least he shows up and knows what actually happens.

Is that the guy who stands opposite the GPO with his microphone telling us how we're all going to hell? He seems to be there a lot on Saturday evenings.

Stop moaning ffs · 15-06-2019 4:20pm

eviltwin wrote: »

Is that the guy who stands opposite the GPO with his microphone telling us how we're all going to hell? He seems to be there a lot on Saturday evenings.

Possibly?

Least he has the guts to protest against the gays to their faces rather than the insipid and relentlessly stupid keyboard warrior nonsense we see on here.

‘I have no problem with the gays BUT’

Please fvck all the way off, anyone and everyone using this as grounds for debate. You look like an idiot when you do it and it’s just so transparent it’s pathetic

uck51js9zml2yt · 15-06-2019 10:13pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

God I liked your little homophobic rant at the end there, being masc gay is okay but not if you act fey, of course. Yes you are the epitome of accepting we don't need pride at all, just hide away inside. All those complaining about pride being flamboyant don't complain about halloween which is basically straight pride where straight people dress up in 'sexy' outfits and converge on the city centre on mass. Just because of gay marriage does not mean that there is total acceptance unfortunately things don't just magically change over night especially for trans people. A gay lad was beaten badly in Cavan, a lesbian couple on a bus in London were attacked. Get over yourself The other absurd comment on this thread was the link between gay pride, pro immigration hypocrisy good lord on that one. Plenty of people fleeing homophobic regimes seeking asylum here. Also the people saying that they are going to get drunk with their straight mates for pride etc., one of the problems is that multi nationals, mainly banks have turned it into a corporate festival and as soon as people see capitalist symbols they think that it's a free for all and that they should participate and that they know how to act appropriately which judging by the insensitivity in this thread ye don't have a clue so please stay away instead of coming pretending that you are part of it and then getting drunk and acting the pr1ck to someone because you have no understanding.

Talking of absurd comments, equating Halloween and hetrosexuals with pride is just weird.

You don't see hetrosexuals having parades declaring their hetrosexuality.

If homosexuals want to be equal its time to behave as though you are instead of having a declaration of how different you are.

Hetrosexual couples get beaten up to. Time to grow up boys and girls. Play with the grown ups and stop throwing your toys out of the pram with accusations when someone disagrees with you.

Annasopra · 15-06-2019 10:17pm

Gabrielle Alive Nitwit wrote: »

Talking of absurd comments, equating Halloween and hetrosexuals with pride is just weird.

You don't see hetrosexuals having parades declaring their hetrosexuality.

If homosexuals want to be equal its time to behave as though you are instead of having a declaration of how different you are.

Hetrosexual couples get beaten up to. Time to grow up boys and girls. Play with the grown ups and stop throwing your toys out of the pram with accusations when someone disagrees with you.

Heterosexual couples dont get beaten up because they are heterosexual. End of story. So quit your whataboutery.

15-06-2019 10:26pm

Joeytheparrot wrote:

Heterosexual couples dont get beaten up because they are heterosexual. End of story. So quit your whataboutery.

No. And not all instances of violence against gay people is homophobia.

Annasopra · 15-06-2019 10:28pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No. And not all instances of violence against gay people is homophobia.

I never said it was. More pointless whataboutery.

uck51js9zml2yt · 15-06-2019 10:31pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I never said it was. More pointless whataboutery.

As I said, time for you to stop throwing the accusations when someone disagrees with you.

Just to balance things up...an interesting article from the UK on discrimination against hetrosexual couples.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/supreme-court-victory-for-heterosexual-couple-in-civil-partnership-fight-851422.html

Annasopra · 15-06-2019 10:33pm

Gabrielle Alive Nitwit wrote: »

As I said, time for you to stop throwing the accusations when someone disagrees with you.

Meh. Like seriously its the end of the wirld cause you were accused of whataboutery.

uck51js9zml2yt · 15-06-2019 10:34pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Meh.

Thanks for confirming my point

Fanny Wank · 15-06-2019 10:34pm

Does having an Allied Irish over lezzer porn count?

Annasopra · 15-06-2019 10:35pm

Gabrielle Alive Nitwit wrote: »

Just to balance things up...an interesting article from the UK on discrimination against hetrosexual couples.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/supreme-court-victory-for-heterosexual-couple-in-civil-partnership-fight-851422.html

Whatabout whataboutery

15-06-2019 10:37pm

To be clear and to not be misrepresented;

I believe there is no difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals apart from what they get up to in the bedroom.

I don't feel a need to celebrate their sexuality as it is a non issue to me.

I think being proud of your sexuality is a little odd but I understand that after years of oppression, you would want to celebrate it, therefore the pride festival, although something I wouldn't attend, is fair enough.

People get attacked for all kinds of reasons. It's abhorrent that a gay person would be attacked for being gay. It's equally abhorrent for someone to be attacked for the color of their skin/hair or their weight or their sight.

Bad people will hurt other people regardless and use hurtful names. It doesn't make it right, but it doesn't mean you are a perpetual victim.

I have been attacked unprovoked on countless times and had many insults and slurs thrown at me while I got beaten. One one occasion, I was nearly beaten to death. It's a horrible and frightening scenario and I genuinely feel for those who are in constant fear of it.

But when I am told that I am homophobic for refusing point blank to accept that gay people are victims and saying that this country offers more protections than most for these people then I get a little pissed off.

I'm not homophobic, I treat gay people as equals, not some precious and brave subsection of culture.

Most of the gay people I know appreciate that. Those who don't can continue to be victims.

Spleerbun · 15-06-2019 10:37pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Please fvck all the way off, anyone and everyone using this as grounds for debate. You look like an idiot when you do it and it’s just so transparent it’s pathetic

Woah woah woah. Trans Parents are people too pal.

klaaaz · 15-06-2019 10:38pm

Gabrielle Alive Nitwit wrote: »

As I said, time for you to stop throwing the accusations when someone disagrees with you.

Just to balance things up...an interesting article from the UK on discrimination against hetrosexual couples.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/supreme-court-victory-for-heterosexual-couple-in-civil-partnership-fight-851422.html

Gays did not discriminate against that couple, it was other heterosexuals who set the law. Your anger is misdirected, that case was nothing to do with homosexuals at all, they do not set the laws. Heterosexuals set the laws for everyone!!

uck51js9zml2yt · 15-06-2019 10:44pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Gays did not discriminate against that couple, it was other heterosexuals who set the law. Your anger is misdirected, that case was nothing to do with homosexuals at all, they do not set the laws. Heterosexuals set the laws for everyone!!

The voting citizens of a country set the laws not just one section of that group
Everyone is on about marriage equality for homosexuals. This was a case of marriage inequality for hetrosexuals. So much for being equal !

klaaaz · 15-06-2019 10:54pm

Gabrielle Alive Nitwit wrote: »

The voting citizens of a country set the laws not just one section of that group
Everyone is on about marriage equality for homosexuals. This was a case of marriage inequality for hetrosexuals. So much for being equal !

Don't think you understand do you?

The vast majority of the country's population is heterosexual hence those elected represent heterosexual viewpoints. Those in power are vastly populated by heterosexuals, they set the laws hence they when setting that law in the UK "forgot" about civil marriage for heterosexuals. Nothing to do with homosexuals at all despite your stretch of the imagination.

cloudatlas · 16-06-2019 12:21am

Gabrielle Alive Nitwit wrote: »

Talking of absurd comments, equating Halloween and hetrosexuals with pride is just weird.

You don't see hetrosexuals having parades declaring their hetrosexuality.

If homosexuals want to be equal its time to behave as though you are instead of having a declaration of how different you are.

Hetrosexual couples get beaten up to. Time to grow up boys and girls. Play with the grown ups and stop throwing your toys out of the pram with accusations when someone disagrees with you.

You don't get it at all. I was joking about halloween because of the comments about ass less chaps and gays expressing themselves by wearing sexy costumes in the street, halloween is a prime example of heteros wearing sexy costumes in the streets.
Gay pride is a response to being shamed. People don't march in pride parades because being queer all by itself is an accomplishment, what people take pride in is what they've managed to do about their queerness despite the shame, hostility, violence, the judgement (see this thread for details), the religious condemnation. Real violence is done to queer people by their families, churches, governments, we have been/are still told that fact about us is sick and wrong and not something we should ever tell anyone about ever and yet we manage to find each other and we manage to find it within ourselves to reject the shame and the fear and despite violence live openly, proud of the history for example proud of people who fought for gay marriage in Ireland and legalisation of homosexuality in very recent times and to highlight oppression in other countries. Marching for many signifies how far we've come and we march in solidarity in a sense to make our own contribution. This year is also the 50th anniversary of the stonewall riots which marked one of the most successful movements for social justice in the last 100 years. That is worth marking. I'm sorry you don't get it and maybe that's because of the recent co-opting of pride by corporations I don't know but pride is much more than just a parade there is a lot going on in terms of events and a history behind it.

ToddyDoody · 16-06-2019 12:25am

I liked it when straight people were terrified of gay events.

upandcumming · 16-06-2019 12:43am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Possibly?

Least he has the guts to protest against the gays to their faces rather than the insipid and relentlessly stupid keyboard warrior nonsense we see on here.

‘I have no problem with the gays BUT’

Please fvck all the way off, anyone and everyone using this as grounds for debate. You look like an idiot when you do it and it’s just so transparent it’s pathetic

So brave...

klaaaz · 16-06-2019 12:57am

upandcumming wrote: »

So brave...

Too right. Better to be brave than beaten to a pulp for being gay. (Yes it still happens in this country)

Lackadaisical · 16-06-2019 1:06am

My only issue with Pride is that it should be more solidly political. I think there's been a wishy-washy commercialisation of what is still very much a live civil rights movement. It's been morphed into commercialised Mardi gras.

I'm not saying it can't be fun, but the serious message is being lost to many the more commercialised that the festival gets.

I'm fine with people being allies and companies being supportive but when you've an LGBT sandwich in M&S donating pennies to a charity and many companies just throwing an old rainbow flag in absolutely anything and everything without any commitment to anything at all you'd start to wonder about what's going on. That flag means something. It's not Christmas wrapping paper.

Yeah, things have finally radically improved in Ireland but you still have some issues and residues of homophobic stuff going on and globally LGBT rights aren't great at all and are even rolling backwards in places like the US. Even up North the whole marriage equality issue hasn't been processed at all.

I'm all for positive celebration but I don't think big commercial Pride festivals in places like Ireland are doing nearly enough to really hammer home those issues.

Pride has to be a serious event at its core or it just turns into nothing more than a street festival.

ToddyDoody · 16-06-2019 1:31am

What about a private inner pride to complement the public outer pride... or is that just stupid?

alan partridge aha · 16-06-2019 1:36am

Pride!!! What for. Fu5k off.

Annasopra · 16-06-2019 2:40am

ToddyDoody wrote: »

What about a private inner pride to complement the public outer pride... or is that just stupid?

Ye wha?

Stop moaning ffs · 16-06-2019 11:44am

Posted this in another thread so I hope it’s ok to post it here too as it’s relevant.

This is another example of why pride is important. Kids and teens live near this person and some may even attend his church.

How Christian of him

Tennessee preacher-cop calls for execution of LGBTQ people

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/tennessee-preacher-cop-lgbtq/index.html

16-06-2019 9:56pm

*checks map*

Der Stier · 17-06-2019 8:15am

..and this is why pride parades are actually bad for the LGB community

https://youtu.be/_9Mbh0PsVw4

nozzferrahhtoo · 17-06-2019 8:34am

Der Stier wrote: »

..and this is why pride parades are actually bad for the LGB community

Almost nothing about the video is about pride parades. It starts off mentioning them sure, but then the entire video goes on a spree of tangents from there. Many of the tangents having nothing to do with LGBT at all, but just sexuality as a whole. And the only link between those tangents..... and LGBT or pride...... is they happen to have been put in the same video.

For example the video cherry picks sentences out of talks about paedophilia. Nothing to do with LGBT. Nothing to do with Pride. It was a video from a scholar that was discussed, and highly misrepresented, here on boards.ie before.

In fact by the end of the video the speaker is ranting about abortion and male gender roles and his problem with mini socks or no socks on men. And vegans. How the hell has that got anything to do with Pride? Some dude who obsesses over socks?

kunst nugget · 17-06-2019 1:48pm

Der Stier wrote: »

..and this is why pride parades are actually bad for the LGB community

https://youtu.be/_9Mbh0PsVw4

That video is a like a parody of the alt-right... it's completely incoherent.

JJJJNR · 17-06-2019 2:19pm

Is there any pride events that would be suitable for a thirteen and a nine year old girl, my daughter has said she would like to attend but I'm not comfortable at this age to allow her to.

From what I've seen over the years from working in the city, there seems to be a lot of under age drinking, and lewd behavior at it which I don't want to expose either of them to.

Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

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