pearl jam

Banzai600 wrote: »

After Abbruzzese left , i left too.

The musical direction PJ took just wasn't for me, and the drumming was lackluster since then and pretty sloppy imo.

I don't have time to pick holes in this post as it would take way to long. I'll summarise by saying.... No.

Banzai600 wrote: »

After Abbruzzese left , i left too.

The musical direction PJ took just wasn't for me, and the drumming was lackluster since then and pretty sloppy imo.

Thanks for weighing in on the last what...25 years.

Kinda feel like they used Cameron to great effect on Binaural, and Riot Act to an extent. Then they settled into rawk band territory.

I think the last 3 albums have been great to mediocre (in that order) but I think a lot of that has to do with PJ wanting to reap the rewards of their longevity. Thus the last 3 are more legacy type albums, rather than anything overtly challenging.

Ah well flasher tbh I just enjoy Avocado quite a lot, and sits as an anomaly of sorts between the 96-02 output and the pop rock of the last two.

greenspurs wrote: »

Filler, filler filler...……

You might get 1 killer album out of their last 3-4 releases !

Lightning Bolt - sound like Pearl Jam covering a Robbie Williams album.... Not 1 song liked.

Backspacer - not bad really , I don't know. I have 3 songs 'saved' to my 'Liked songs …

"Avocado " - 3 songs liked.... the rest …. Pah.

Riot Act - 6 songs...

No Code - 10 songs out of the 13 liked.....


Sometimes its better to just stop ….. so just stop.

Riot Act is my favourite pearl jam album, I'm delighted they didnt stop.

eviltimeban wrote: »

Not mine. I like about three songs off that album. The fact that Vedder didn't lift his voice beyond a mumble most of the time really brings it down.

'Avocado' had great promise - World Wide Suicide, Big Wave - but I'm struggling to remember any other songs now without looking at the tracklist.

Backspacer was way better, and for me their best album since Yield. Unthought Known is fantastic.

Lightning Bolt - well. I was ok with Mind Your Manners, though I was sort of sick of that punky Spin the Black Circle style of PJ song. Sirens was "OK". Infallible was a good song, as was Yellow Moon.

I found Binaural a difficult listen at the time, but in recent years I've been playing it every so often. It's very mixed, but something like Sleight of Hand is an interesting listen. I prefer the slower ones to the fast ones.

Avocado - Life Wasted, Marker in the Sand, Come Back, Inside Job, Parachutes are great songs

Backspacer - quality whole way through. Would gladly hear any song from it live.

Lightning Bolt - Sirens is the stand out, but Pendulum, Infallible are decent. Dont think this album works so well though.

I could handle less punky ones this time out. No surprise as my favourite types of their songs are Who You Are, Off He Goes, Thumbing my Way.

Very much enjoy this one, dont think itll be repeated too often through the album.

I always feel that people that dismiss Pearl Jam's 2000's work either haven't heard the albums or have an agenda.

-Light Years
-Sleight Of Hand
-Grievance
-Save You
-I Am Mine
-You Are
-Thumbing My Way
-Life Wasted
-Marker In the Sand
-Unemployable
-Arny Reserve
-Against The Waves
-Just Breathe
-Force Of Nature
-Mind Your Manners
-Infallible
-Pendulum
-Getaway

Just a sample of some of the fantastic songs on those later-career albums, and could double the length of that list. Most bands would kill for songs of that quality and these songs allegedly come from a band past their best.

fluke wrote: »

Can you expand on this re: agenda? Long time PJ fan, so I'm curious.

Maybe "agenda" isn't the right word, but I just find people that dismiss the band's later career to be pretty weird. I'm maybe a rare person that goes back to Ten probably less than any of the rest of their records, bar Lightning Bolt (which I like about half of, and hate Sirens with a passion).

Probably got a bit easily sparked by that person earlier!

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I always feel that people that dismiss Pearl Jam's 2000's work either haven't heard the albums or have an agenda.

-Light Years
-Sleight Of Hand
-Grievance
-Save You
-I Am Mine
-You Are
-Thumbing My Way
-Life Wasted
-Marker In the Sand
-Unemployable
-Arny Reserve
-Against The Waves
-Just Breathe
-Force Of Nature
-Mind Your Manners
-Infallible
-Pendulum
-Getaway

Just a sample of some of the fantastic songs on those later-career albums, and could double the length of that list. Most bands would kill for songs of that quality and these songs allegedly come from a band past their best.

That was my point .
From 5 albums you liked 18 songs ! ….

Too much filler unfortunately ..

fluke wrote: »

In fairness gs, joe said it was just a sample.

Said it was a sample of "fantastic songs". I think that's stretching it a bit - Mind your manners??
It's not a great indication where for every one song that is good, the next 2 are going to be average. From a band with PJs pedigree and potential.
From my own point of view, I'd have Got Some on that list. Soft spot for that tune. And Come Back
Ten is a classic rock album. They could never reach those heights. After that they had some good albums - with enough quality tunes to keep the momentum going - with the hope that they'd throw together Ten; Part 2 some time. But didn’t happen. Even now, in anticipation of a new tune, most of us are just hoping that it’s not going to be a dud. I’ve listened to it a few times, and I like it. First time in a while that I’ve felt a little excitement about upcoming PJ music.
In reality, it’s the live setting that has kept PJ going. Phenomenal. With the 10 albums that they have, plus B-sides, plus good covers, they have a good 40 songs to make a very memorable quality gig.

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Maybe "agenda" isn't the right word, but I just find people that dismiss the band's later career to be pretty weird. I'm maybe a rare person that goes back to Ten probably less than any of the rest of their records, bar Lightning Bolt (which I like about half of, and hate Sirens with a passion).

Probably got a bit easily sparked by that person earlier!

I don't really get it myself, I feel it's sort of akin to mega Star Wars fans never being happy with any of the output outside the original trilogy, probably in part due to the nostalgia factor but you can't re-create the past. I don't really have that as I only got properly into Pearl Jam after Backspacer and it's probably my fave PJ album as a result and while I found Lightening Bolt a pretty disappointing follow up, returning to it since I'm definitely less harsh on it.

The idea that all their post-90s material is average at best is nonsense imo but everyones got different tastes.

Ten through to Riot Act great. Avocado solid as is Backspacer (if a little slight) and then Lightning Bolt which is patchy.

All there is to it really.

RicketyCricket wrote: »

Bit too much slagging off of Matt Cameron here for my liking. Great drummer. Listen to some bloody Soundgarden and realise how good he is. Love the new song, especially the anrgy-ish vocals from Eddie. Severed Hand is my favourite song from PJ from recent albums. Great intro, guitars and vocals. Oh man to hear it live again!

He was fine with Soundgarden. But he was always the SG drummer right? So there was no one to compare him to.

PJ had arguably the best drummer in 90s alternate rock (Dave A) playing across two albums and live shows. We're still talking about him so he must've been good.