Why do people have children that they can't afford?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:32pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

You're aware it's not a documentary yeah?

People can afford kids. Just depends how you define afford.

It's cheap to feed and clothe a child and send them to school.

When you factor in Montessori and college and gaelteacht and trips abroad while maintaining the standard of living you had as a single person, while also probably recently got married and bought a house, yeah I can see why it may be expensive.

Priorities like.

Ach you're espousing the concepts of self sacrifice and selflessness, which are alien to the OPs fabricated persona.

road_high · 19-11-2019 10:34pm

Simple- there’s an overly generous welfare state that asks zero questions and dishes out the “entitlements” no questions asked. Simple really and if you look at where the bulk of kids are being born these days it’s blindingly obvious

Sardonicat · 19-11-2019 10:36pm

wiggle16 wrote: »

Ah now, you'd have to rehome all the free buggies, remember?

And the free houses. What would we do with them?!

wiggle16 · 19-11-2019 10:37pm

road_high wrote: »

Simple- there’s an overly generous welfare state that asks zero questions and dishes out the “entitlements” no questions asked. Simple really and if you look at where the bulk of kids are being born these days it’s blindingly obvious

In hospitals?

19-11-2019 10:38pm

wiggle16 wrote: »

In hospitals?

lol :pac::pac::pac::pac:

wiggle16 · 19-11-2019 10:40pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

And the free houses. What would we do with them?!

Sure what can you do? Free houses and free buggies roaming the streets, digging up the grass verges. Frightening pensioners. Piddling in the water supply. Mauling people to death.

Anarchy, Sardonicat, anarchy.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:41pm

wiggle16 wrote: »

In hospitals?

Now he'll moan about who pays for the hospitals.

2pacshakur · 19-11-2019 10:42pm

U okay Hun?

I love me free house while other idiots go out and work in stressful jobs. Why work when you can have free money from the state and a roof over your head for the rest of me life.

You people who work and gave s 30 year mortgage are the suckers. Houses worth half as much with the recession while I was grand Nd cozy in me free council house.

Thank you for you taxes for my free lively modern gaff. Your all too kind.

I've three babbies now and plan on having three more and all with different daddies so more maintenance money for me.

You all need to know how to work the system

I guess I'm smarter than all of you

Dakota Dan · 19-11-2019 10:46pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Surely parents should know if they can afford a 2nd, 3rd or 4th kid? Plus abortions are free, so there's no excuse anymore really.

For the same reason that people post stupid threads, they don't think it pout beforehand.

wiggle16 · 19-11-2019 10:47pm

Meredith Some Poppycock wrote: »

Now he'll moan about who pays for the hospitals.

LOL I know. You can nearly hear it coming:

Joe Taxpayer, that's who! I don't sit here on my hole typing my fingers to the bone all bleeding day just so the NANNY STATE can be giving away free hospitals *has apopleptic fit*

Blah blah blah.

Dakota Dan · 19-11-2019 10:48pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.

Because abortion only became legal after they had them :rolleyes:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:48pm

I see the OPs usual 9pm bedtime kicked in.

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 10:50pm

Meredith Some Poppycock wrote: »

I see the OPs usual 9pm bedtime kicked in.

Nah, still up lad.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-11-2019 10:51pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Nah, still up lad.

Does Mammy know you're on the net under the blankets?

Dakota Dan · 19-11-2019 10:54pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Because not everyone wants to go through having an abortion? They arent compulsory just because they are now legal

Ronald Reagan — 'I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

Dakota Dan · 19-11-2019 10:58pm

minikin wrote: »

OP, why did you create this thread?
It’s not wanted, is of no value to society and should be aborted.

:D:D

Padre_Pio · 19-11-2019 11:18pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Ronald Reagan — 'I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.

Albert Einstein - "Everyone against it has already been born too.
Funny that"

joe40 · 19-11-2019 11:24pm

My wife and I have decided we can't afford to have children.
We're going to tell them this evening.

Dakota Dan · 19-11-2019 11:25pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Albert Einstein - "Everyone against it has already been born too.
Funny that"

Very true Sherlock.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 19-11-2019 11:28pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.

OP, please go on Joe Duffy. I would pay money to listen in.

riclad · 19-11-2019 11:38pm

Contraception does not work all the time,
people have sex when they are not sober.
We need more young people , young people will be worker,s ,tax payers
in 20 years .
some small towns in japan are just populated by old people .
20 per cent of young people in japan do not have sex,
no girl friend,s or boyfriend.
The birth rate is very low.
1000,S of People retire every year,
for the tax system to work , they have to replaced by young workers .
In the system we have now , if you want a council house, you have to have 2 children at least.
Is it your opinion that only well off middle class people should be allowed
to have children ?
Most people are not economic experts,
when people have sex , they do not think can i afford to have a child.
I Think its very cynical to think that people just have children
to get a free house .

Pmacv1 · 19-11-2019 11:46pm

riclad wrote: »

Contraception does not work all the time,
people have sex when they are not sober.
We need more young people , young people will be worker,s ,tax payers
in 20 years .
some small towns in japan are just populated by old people .
20 per cent of young people in japan do not have sex,
no girl friend,s or boyfriend.
The birth rate is very low.
1000,S of People retire every year,
for the tax system to work , they have to replaced by young workers .
In the system we have now , if you want a council house, you have to have 2 children at least.
Is it your opinion that only well off middle class people should be allowed
to have children ?
Most people are not economic experts,
when people have sex , they do not think can i afford to have a child.
I Think its very cynical to think that people just have children
to get a free house .

Yes.

Padre_Pio · 19-11-2019 11:48pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Yes.

The bots are getting better.

Jonybgud · 19-11-2019 11:55pm

Introduce a child tax, see how fast the little scrotes will use condoms/the pill/protection/abortion/family planning/adoption/swallow,

HorrorScope · 19-11-2019 11:59pm

Jonybgud wrote: »

Introduce a child tax, see how fast the little scrotes will use condoms/the pill/protection/abortion/family planning/adoption/swallow,

Simple solution is childrens allowance up to 2 children only- if you want more than that **** off and pay for them yourself. There’d be no more Margaret Cash types with a system like that in place.

KaneToad · 20-11-2019 12:04am

blueshade wrote: »

Yeah, the cut off is when the youngest is 8 now, I think. Someone I know just had their second kid with a different daddy, he just turned 9 this Summer. The boyfriend pretends he lives in his own 4 bedroom house which he rents out rooms in when he actually lives out of a suitcase with her. Been going on for 3 years, so he's cashing in on the rental and she's getting her benefits and her rent allowance and not doing a tap of work since she was in her 20's, despite being healthy. She's been getting away with the bogus single mammy thing for a while now.

Why not report her to social welfare? If you're so sure that this is what is happening.

Jonybgud · 20-11-2019 12:19am

HorrorScope wrote: »

Simple solution is childrens allowance up to 2 children only- if you want more than that **** off and pay for them yourself. There’d be no more Margaret Cash types with a system like that in place.

When it comes to children our mobile friends are not the problem. It's the extended dole dynasties, where the last person to work in the family was great, great uncle Anto, who went for a stroll in 1964 and accidentally got a job, and became the black sheep straight away.

It's easy to locate those council funded spawning estates by the clouds of benson and hedges smoke, the road verges littered with dutch gold cans and pajamas being the preferred attire of the walking wombs, probably to provide easy access for any lad willing to have a go at increasing the tramps dole money.

Padre_Pio · 20-11-2019 12:21am

Jonybgud wrote: »

When it comes to children our mobile friends are not the problem. It's the extended dole dynasties, where the last person to work in the family was great, great uncle Anto, who went for a stroll in 1964 and accidentally got a job.

It's easy to locate those council funded spawning estates by the clouds of benson and hedges smoke, the road verges littered with dutch gold cans and pajamas being the preferred attire of the walking wombs, probably to provide easy access for any lad willing to have a go at increasing the tramps dole money.

Lads, instead of constantly giving out on a forum, why don't you report them?

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx

Jonybgud · 20-11-2019 12:23am

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Lads, instead of constantly giving out on a forum, why don't you report them?

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx

Where's the fun in that? When we can wave our sticks at liberalism here.......

Millionaire only not · 20-11-2019 12:27am

Jonybgud wrote: »

When it comes to children our mobile friends are not the problem. It's the extended dole dynasties, where the last person to work in the family was great, great uncle Anto, who went for a stroll in 1964 and accidentally got a job, and became the black sheep straight away.

It's easy to locate those council funded spawning estates by the clouds of benson and hedges smoke, the road verges littered with dutch gold cans and pajamas being the preferred attire of the walking wombs, probably to provide easy access for any lad willing to have a go at increasing the tramps dole money.

It’s a simple law, fuc all after 2 children even after 1 .
These people can’t mind themselves and they burden the state ,and more importantly us with there baggage.
2nd and 3rd generation no workers in the family only scrounges!

Jonybgud · 20-11-2019 12:30am

Millionaire only not wrote: »

It’s a simple law, fuc all after 2 children even after 1 .
These people can’t mind themselves and they burden the state ,and more importantly us with there baggage.
2nd and 3rd generation no workers in the family only scrounges!

That's the spirit, I'm going out to howl at the moon....

Padre_Pio · 20-11-2019 12:32am

Millionaire only not wrote: »

It’s a simple law, fuc all after 2 children even after 1 .
These people can’t mind themselves and they burden the state ,and more importantly us with there baggage.
2nd and 3rd generation no workers in the family only scrounges!

No children for anyone!! Lets be done with this once and for all!!:pac:

Jonybgud · 20-11-2019 12:34am

Padre_Pio wrote: »

No children for anyone!! Lets be done with this once and for all!!:pac:

Damn right, abortions for some, small flags for others......

Badly Drunk Boy · 20-11-2019 12:51am

Jonathan Swift had an idea nearly 300 years ago, written in a little piece called A Modest Proposal (For preventing the Children of Poor People From being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick). I'm sure not everybody would go for it, though.

20Wheel · 20-11-2019 12:52am

Because they never raise their perception of life above the social aspect.

'should I have a child?' 'should I bring life into this futile existence? ' never comes into it, their highest level is the pursuit of their social instincts and material goods.

To a jayo or a jacinta it doesn't go deeper than having a plasma screen and a bleedin deadly car.

No why, only how. Like a donkey after a carrot.

Padre_Pio · 20-11-2019 12:59am

20Wheel wrote: »

Because they never raise their perception of life above the social aspect.

'should I have a child?' 'should I bring life into this futile existence? ' never comes into it, their highest level is the pursuit of their social instincts and material goods.

To a jayo or a jacinta it doesn't go deeper than having a plasma screen and a bleedin deadly car.

No why, only how. Like a donkey after a carrot.

And what pray tell is your highest level of pursuit, oh man on internet at midnight on a Tuesday?

20Wheel · 20-11-2019 1:06am

Padre_Pio wrote: »

And what pray tell is your highest level of pursuit, oh man on internet at midnight on a Tuesday?

Well it's higher than most of those folks who can't, or don't choose to plan their children.

..... Oh man on the Internet at midnight on a Tuesday.

kowloon · 20-11-2019 1:10am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Surely parents should know if they can afford a 2nd, 3rd or 4th kid? Plus abortions are free, so there's no excuse anymore really.

If I'd known that I'd have gotten myself aborted ages ago.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 20-11-2019 1:17am

Maybe we could reopen the magdalene laundries and mother and baby homes?

From what little I've read on them they seemed to be fantastic Irish institutions. We would be the envy of the world once again with these places back in operation. Can only see the upside to this plan.

Make Ireland Great Again.

Bobblehats · 20-11-2019 1:24am

Yeah that particular aspect wouldn’t be too MEGA now would it

khaldrogo · 20-11-2019 1:27am

blueshade wrote: »

Yeah, the cut off is when the youngest is 8 now, I think. Someone I know just had their second kid with a different daddy, he just turned 9 this Summer. The boyfriend pretends he lives in his own 4 bedroom house which he rents out rooms in when he actually lives out of a suitcase with her. Been going on for 3 years, so he's cashing in on the rental and she's getting her benefits and her rent allowance and not doing a tap of work since she was in her 20's, despite being healthy. She's been getting away with the bogus single mammy thing for a while now.

Report her and him

bodhrandude · 20-11-2019 1:58am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.

They might kinda ehhhhh! Love them, like.

Mysterypunter · 20-11-2019 2:30am

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Lads, instead of constantly giving out on a forum, why don't you report them
Rat

Cee-Jay-Cee · 20-11-2019 9:09am

blueshade wrote: »

Yeah, the cut off is when the youngest is 8 now, I think. Someone I know just had their second kid with a different daddy, he just turned 9 this Summer. The boyfriend pretends he lives in his own 4 bedroom house which he rents out rooms in when he actually lives out of a suitcase with her. Been going on for 3 years, so he's cashing in on the rental and she's getting her benefits and her rent allowance and not doing a tap of work since she was in her 20's, despite being healthy. She's been getting away with the bogus single mammy thing for a while now.

So why not report them to Revenue/Social Welfare??? No point complaining about it when you can actually do something.

zerosugarbuzz · 20-11-2019 9:23am

What an array of prejudice there is on here. Anyone heard of judge not lest you should be judged? If you posted similarly about ethnic minorities or emigrants all hell would break loose but vulnerable single mothers are fair game. Try to have a bit of compassion, it’s nearly Christmas after all....... oh wait.....

HorrorScope · 20-11-2019 9:34am

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

What an array of prejudice there is on here. Anyone heard of judge not lest you should be judged? If you posted similarly about ethnic minorities or emigrants all hell would break loose but vulnerable single mothers are fair game. Try to have a bit of compassion, it’s nearly Christmas after all....... oh wait.....

What is prejudiced about saying I don’t want my taxes drained indefinitely by some walking pregnancy machine? 2 kids and allowance for both is more than enough for most families, someone on the dole who has never and will never contribute a cent to the country popping out 7 kids and potentially more (and watching their payments stack up) is simply unacceptable. Why should we pay for those people to lie on their back and take take take?

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 20-11-2019 9:39am

Having less/no children is the first thing people should be doing for the planet/climate. Then no driving, less long haul flights, becoming vegan.

HorrorScope · 20-11-2019 9:56am

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Having less/no children is the first thing people should be doing for the planet/climate. Then no driving, less long haul flights, becoming vegan.

Yawn.

JohnnyFlash · 20-11-2019 9:57am

Always Tired wrote: »

I'm more concerned about people who start threads that no one wants to read or that have already been done a thousand times. Between this bloke and mr fegelien it's just a wasteland of useless threads.

We need a system to tackle this.

Start a few threads yourself, dude. That goes for the backseat moderators in general. Real bang of Statler and Waldorf off the place - tut tutting about how bad the place has got while doing nothing about it themselves.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 20-11-2019 10:02am

HorrorScope wrote: »

Yawn.

Wake up. Jesus.

Why do people have children that they can't afford?

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