Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

Cookie_Monster · 15-03-2019 8:19am

AllForIt wrote: »

That statement is going to be very very controversial.

why, it was mentioned on the radio here and he made mention of it in his own live stream...

rossie1977 · 15-03-2019 8:21am

ebbsy wrote: »

If this happened in India or Africa etc nobody would give a ****e though.

Mumbai terror attacks made headline news throughout the world in 2008...

The Black Oil · 15-03-2019 8:24am

Been listening to Radio NZ for the last hour, good coverage.

RIP to those who died.

mfceiling · 15-03-2019 8:26am

I said it before...It was only a matter of time before some lunatic massacred people of Muslim/Islamic faith in retaliation to the horrific attacks we have witnessed the past few years.
Unfortunately again it's always the innocent who suffer.
RIP to the victims.

Calltocall · 15-03-2019 8:26am

Pond scum Losers in life who feel the only way they can get noticed is to butcher innocent people including children, **** him, his cronies and every single thing they stand for.

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 8:38am

A despicable and cowardly act. I wonder would it be asking too much to refer to this horrific attack as what it truly is....an act of terrorism.

Just because the shooter is a white man and the victims are Muslim doesn’t make this any less of a terrorist act.

RIP all who lost their lives and condolence to those left behind.

weldoninhio · 15-03-2019 8:40am

Turtwig wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, has there been any terrorist attacks in New Zealand by those who subscribe to a version of Islam? I ask because I can't recall any. How do you radicalise someone to the point of them murdering people of a different identity when that identity hasn't even committed any violence in the radicals' homeland? Extreme level of brainwashing.

In many ways I find this event more disturbing than other mass killings.

Prob had mental health issues. Psychotic break, could be drug induced. Extreme paranoia etc.

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 8:40am

mfceiling wrote: »

I said it before...It was only a matter of time before some lunatic massacred people of Muslim/Islamic faith in retaliation to the horrific attacks we have witnessed the past few years.
Unfortunately again it's always the innocent who suffer.
RIP to the victims.

Those horrific attacks are no excuse for this - not every Muslim is evil personified. These people didn’t deserve this.

no.8 · 15-03-2019 8:43am

AudreyHepburn wrote:

A despicable and cowardly act. I wonder would it be asking too much to refer to this horrific attack as what it truly is....an act of terrorism.

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Just because the shooter is a white man and the victims are Muslim doesnâ€™t make this any less of a terrorist act.

AudreyHepburn wrote:

RIP all who lost their lives and condolence to those left behind.

It has been called out as an act of terrorism already. Horrific

ebbsy · 15-03-2019 8:44am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Turtwig wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, has there been any terrorist attacks in New Zealand by those who subscribe to a version of Islam? I ask because I can't recall any. How do you radicalise someone to the point of them murdering people of a different identity when that identity hasn't even committed any violence in the radicals' homeland? Extreme level of brainwashing.

In many ways I find this event more disturbing than other mass killings.

Prob had mental health issues. Psychotic break, could be drug induced. Extreme paranoia etc.

True. Loon of the week Id say rather than some deep belief.

whiskeyman · 15-03-2019 8:45am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Prob had mental health issues. Psychotic break, could be drug induced. Extreme paranoia etc.

Or maybe he just hated Muslims with a passion due to what he saw and read and acted with extreme aggression on it.

But the above will sound way better to deflect attention as a once off.

weldoninhio · 15-03-2019 8:45am

Zorya wrote: »

The manifesto mentions Ebba Akerlund, a little girl killed in Stockholm attack. Her death was his turning point, he says. That day for some time a devastating picture of Ebba's body was circulating on social media. I saw it here, linked on a boards thread. It was extremely shocking. I almost went into shock. There is so much talk of censorship online etc but yet these images are freely circulating, just as the video of this will. This is deeply wrong, in my opinion. These things radicalise people who are unstable and sick and violent.

Did you feel the same about the propaganda pic of the Kurdish child on the beach??

Samuel Vimes · 15-03-2019 8:48am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Prob had mental health issues. Psychotic break, could be drug induced. Extreme paranoia etc.

Or, more likely all 4 in custody are just evil neo-nazi batsards

kneemos · 15-03-2019 8:48am

whiskeyman wrote: »

Or maybe he just hated Muslims with a passion due to what he saw and read and acted with extreme aggression on it.

But the above will sound way better to deflect attention as a once off.

Hate is one thing. Mass murder is a class of a bigger issue.
No right thinking individual would even think of it.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 15-03-2019 8:48am

Jesus. 40 people now. Nutcase.

Shocking for NZ, a safe country you’d think.

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2019 8:52am

The people on there calling this guy a nutter are seriously downplaying this l, I’ve flicked through the manifesto, this is a deep hated acquired over time and feed by his own bias. This was no random nutcase who just snapped this was planned and the guy who done it had all his mental faculty’s intact

Samuel Vimes · 15-03-2019 8:53am

BBC News now reporting:
Officials have said four people are currently in custody. Initial reports said that was three men and one woman.

In her latest press conference, the prime minister said three men "connected to this attack" were being held. One is an Australian citizen and "an extremist, right-wing, violent terrorist", she said.

A fourth person was arrested separately, she said, but has not given further information.

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 8:56am

whiskeyman wrote: »

Or maybe he just had ated Muslims with a passion due to what he saw and read and acted with extreme aggression on it.

But the above will sound way better to deflect attention as a once off.

Hate is one thing. Taking countless innocent lives off the back of some twisted extremist ideals is another and should never be excused or accepted in a civilized society.

whiskeyman · 15-03-2019 8:59am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Hate is one thing. Taking countless innocent lives off the back of some twisted extremist ideals is another and should never be excused or accepted in a civilized society.

I agree it shouldn't t be accepted, but Im tired of 'mental health' issues blamed for this.
This was a hatred that was fuelled overtime for a reason.

castletownman · 15-03-2019 9:00am

I would have marked New Zealand down as a safe country. Far away and idyllic to be almost immune to such atrocity.

Without downplaying the tragedy though, it seems ironic that it occured in a place called Christchurch.

lbc2019 · 15-03-2019 9:00am

Hate is toxic
Islamophobia is hate
Why would anyone want to watch the video?

15-03-2019 9:01am

Jesus. He started the Live stream by saying the "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" meme.. (There is no link to him, it's a meme that is everywhere.) And then his manifesto has the Navy Seal meme. Guy is whack.

Sad sad story.

tritium · 15-03-2019 9:02am

Oh Christ, there are no words for this. Horrific act on innocent people in a peaceful and beautiful country.

RIP the victims of this awful crime

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-03-2019 9:03am

Lowest of the low attacking people in their place of worship

LuckyGent88 · 15-03-2019 9:03am

To wake up and the first thing on Facebook is one of those marked safe things from a friend of mine is quiet scary.

In absolute shock here. Lived in New Zealand for over 2 years spending a year in Christchurch. Luckily all my friends who are still there appear to be safe.

It’s just another horrible event to happen to a city that is probably just on the verge of really being back to its structural self after the devastating earthquakes.

Ireland and New Zealand have always been closely associated and we mirror each other in a huge amount of ways. Hopefully this type of incident never happens on our shores.

RIP to all victims

Atoms for Peace · 15-03-2019 9:03am

NZ is the last place I think of something like this happening, it can't just be fobbed off as the result of mental illness.

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 9:03am

Thrashssacre wrote: »

The people on there calling this guy a nutter are seriously downplaying this l, I’ve flicked through the manifesto, this is a deep hated acquired over time and feed by his own bias. This was no random nutcase who just snapped this was planned and the guy who done it had all his mental faculty’s intact

I think when people hear about a shooting or other type of attack by a white guy it is instantly thought of as "mental issues" and when a dark skinned person does it it is terrorism.

People forget that white people can be terrorists too.

I've been switching between radio and TV stations. It seems to me that the BBC has barely mentioned it and RTE Radio One spent half an hour droning on about ridiculous Brexit ****e. They are only getting to it now.

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 9:04am

no.8 wrote: »

It has been called out as an act of terrorism already. Horrific

Not to the extent it should be. I just think that in the west/white society when something like this happens we are too quick to try excuse it as a result of mental health issues or anger at what the evil Muslim community have perpetrated on us as if this makes these acts acceptable or understandable. Or we use the term murder or mass murder as if to try and differentiate the act.

It’s terrorism pure and simple and there is absolutely no excuse for it.

ricero · 15-03-2019 9:04am

I always thought of new Zealand as being very simillar to ireland as in a safe place. Terrible thing to wake up to. Humans can be beyond cruel.

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 9:06am

whiskeyman wrote: »

I agree it shouldn't t be accepted, but Im tired of 'mental health' issues blamed for this.
This was a hatred that was fuelled overtime for a reason.

Me too but trying to justify it the way your previous post did isn’t acceptable either imo.

NIMAN · 15-03-2019 9:07am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

NZ is the last place I think of something like this happening, it can't just be fobbed off as the result of mental illness.

When there are 4 in custody, obviously not.

It was not 'a lone madman', but obviously a planned attack by terrorists, well organised.

branie2 · 15-03-2019 9:08am

What is the word coming to? RIP to the victims

Samuel Vimes · 15-03-2019 9:08am

RTE Reporting that death toll now stands at 49.

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 9:08am

I think the Police Commissioner has just said that one of the four arrested looks like he wasn't involved. Wrong place, wrong time.

15-03-2019 9:08am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

whiskeyman wrote: »

I agree it shouldn't t be accepted, but Im tired of 'mental health' issues blamed for this.
This was a hatred that was fuelled overtime for a reason.

Me too but trying to justify it the way your previous post did isn’t acceptable either imo.

Are you crazy???? Nobody tried to justify it.

Zorya · 15-03-2019 9:08am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Did you feel the same about the propaganda pic of the Kurdish child on the beach??

I'm not understanding the connection you are making.
Personally I think all people should be afforded dignity in death and to post images of dead bodies from any circumstance is undignified to the people who have passed. I can never understand when it happens on media these days, where one can see dead bodies and bloodied carnage even on ordinary newspapers - there used to be a time not long ago when that was considered inhumane and abhorrent.

The image of Ebba was circulated from some ghoulish upload by a passerby, and I mentioned it because she is mentioned in the manifesto and because I remembered her due to the image being here, visible on a twitter embed. The image of Aylan was also horrible but the one from Stockholm was brutal.
This person's video and manifesto should not be available either. That's just my opinion. Makes him feel important and relevant, when he is just a despicable savage whose name should not be repeated because that would give him satisfaction. People do remember these names - Anders B is an example.

Giveaway · 15-03-2019 9:09am

Don t dismiss this murderer as a nutter. I am sure he has thought through the likely long term consequences, just like Brevik.

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 9:14am

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you crazy???? Nobody tried to justify it.

That poster suggested that this act was committed out of anger at the many horrific attacks by Muslim extremists - to me that smacks of trying to justify it or least make it something understandable.

super_furry · 15-03-2019 9:14am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

NZ is the last place I think of something like this happening, it can't just be fobbed off as the result of mental illness.

Especially when he's making such a show of referencing online memes and chan culture.

To my mind he's clearly someone who was radicalised by the seemingly never ending stream of Islamophobic and hate fuelled online personalitites.

Atoms for Peace · 15-03-2019 9:14am

Anybody watching or distributioning the disgusting video should be be tracked down and face criminal charges.

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 9:17am

ricero wrote: »

I always thought of new Zealand as being very simillar to ireland as in a safe place. Terrible thing to wake up to. Humans can be beyond cruel.

Sadly I don’t think there’s any truly safe place left in the world nowadays. It’s just that some are safer than others.

Snow Garden · 15-03-2019 9:17am

Wow, I never expected to see Christian terrorists in NZ. It will be interesting to see where and how they got radicalised.

rossie1977 · 15-03-2019 9:17am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

NZ is the last place I think of something like this happening, it can't just be fobbed off as the result of mental illness.

Maybe but western society is so unprepared for any kind of terrorist act

I was just recently in India (Delhi, Mumbai, Agra) and every hotel, major store/supermarkets/place of worship, railway station has metal detectors and baggage checks before you enter. At the airport you won't get in the door without first showing your ticket and passport and then metal detector/baggage check and then you are allowed in the departures hall. After you are in you cannot leave.

With Islamic and right wing terrorism on the rise here in the west might soon see similar security procedures put in place here. I mean that chap in Vegas brought how many bags of guns to his room and was never stopped once. You can walk into us airports where baggage claim is and nobody will stop you

SharpshooterTom · 15-03-2019 9:18am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Anybody watching or distributioning the disgusting video should be be tracked down and face criminal charges.

Distributing it? Yes.

Watching it? No.

I have no interest in watching it myself, but I'm sure thousands have sadly already seen it.

yerwanthere123 · 15-03-2019 9:18am

F*cking hell, what horrific news to wake up to, in New Zealand of all places. RIP to all those poor people.

suicide_circus · 15-03-2019 9:19am

what are the gun laws in NZ? he seemed to have quite the arsenal

Beechwoodspark · 15-03-2019 9:19am

Sickening Awful attack. Cowardly in the extreme.

RIP to all the victims.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 15-03-2019 9:24am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

NZ is the last place I think of something like this happening, it can't just be fobbed off as the result of mental illness.

4 people have been arrested.

God how can people be consumed by such hatred.

irishrover99 · 15-03-2019 9:25am

I wonder how many people will be changing their Facebook profile picture in support of these people that have died?.
You know since they are not white Parisians.

RIP.
Pity they couldn't have taken the scum bag alive.

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 9:26am

irishrover99 wrote: »

I wonder how many people will be changing their Facebook profile picture in support of these people that have died?.
You know since they are not white Parisians.

RIP.
Pity they couldn't have taken the scum bag alive.

Taking him alive only gives him more of a platform for his sick views. Remember Anders Brevik and the bile he was allowed to come out wit at his trial?

Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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