N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

ExoPolitic · 29-02-2020 5:12am

It's still not been updated on Google maps as open... Anybody know which mapping/gps system to use to use the bridge? Thanks.

JohnC. · 29-02-2020 9:46am

Waze has it open.

FishOnABike · 29-02-2020 10:12am

ExoPolitic wrote: »

It's still not been updated on Google maps as open... Anybody know which mapping/gps system to use to use the bridge? Thanks.

OsmAnd has the bridge included. Other openstreetmap based satnav apps probably also include it.

You would think Google could data mine their live traffic data to automatically detect where and when a new road is opened. It's not like thousands of vehicles per day are suddenly going to start taking the exact same route across fields and rivers at a steady 100kmh.

Alun · 29-02-2020 10:24am

It's strange that it seems to be taking so long. Other recent new roads such as the latest stretch of the M11, or the Enniscorthy bypass appeared fairly quickly.

The problem is that on Google Maps there's no easy way that I've found to inform them of a brand new road. Plenty of opportunity to tell them about changes to existing ones though.

Also because Google rarely seem to perform any kind of checks on user submitted changes, we now have two entries for the bridge, one correct one with the right name, another slightly west of that entitled "NewRoss River Bridge" and another entry close by called the Hannah Parr Project which seems to have been completely misplaced (it was a Norwegian emigrant ship that ran into trouble and docked in Limerick for repairs apparently) but which has attracted loads of comments about the bridge.

Hibernicis · 29-02-2020 10:28am

ExoPolitic wrote: »

It's still not been updated on Google maps as open... Anybody know which mapping/gps system to use to use the bridge? Thanks.

Apple Maps had it the day after it opened.

Hibernicis · 29-02-2020 10:57am

There was some discussion here before the opening of the bridge and the bypass about the likely impact on the town. The following articles from the New Ross Standard give a local perspective and it appears to be all positive

skodacb · 29-02-2020 12:24pm

Alun wrote: »

It's strange that it seems to be taking so long. Other recent new roads such as the latest stretch of the M11, or the Enniscorthy bypass appeared fairly quickly.

The problem is that on Google Maps there's no easy way that I've found to inform them of a brand new road. Plenty of opportunity to tell them about changes to existing ones though.

Also because Google rarely seem to perform any kind of checks on user submitted changes, we now have two entries for the bridge, one correct one with the right name, another slightly west of that entitled "NewRoss River Bridge" and another entry close by called the Hannah Parr Project which seems to have been completely misplaced (it was a Norwegian emigrant ship that ran into trouble and docked in Limerick for repairs apparently) but which has attracted loads of comments about the bridge.

I added the Enniscorthy bypass to Google Maps the day it was opened and Google had it reviewed and added in a day or 2.

Done the same with the New Ross bypass and it's still sitting in pending under my contributions.

Alun · 29-02-2020 12:28pm

skodacb wrote: »

I added the Enniscorthy bypass to Google Maps the day it was opened and Google had it reviewed and added in a day or 2.

How did you do that? As mentioned I can only find ways to report inaccuracies in existing roads, or to add new "places" but not roads.

skodacb · 01-03-2020 1:18am

Alun wrote: »

How did you do that? As mentioned I can only find ways to report inaccuracies in existing roads, or to add new "places" but not roads.

Should be under the new contribute settings, edit map and then there's a list of options, including add missing road. I am at level 7 though on Google maps, not sure whether that makes a difference.

L1011 · 01-03-2020 1:46am

Level massively makes a difference in speed of review, but not quality - I'm level 6 (halfway to 7 though I doubt I've enough more to contribute to get there) and some stuff has been marked as fixed when it just isn't - pedestrian accesses not being marked giving insane routes mainly.

I actually just checked two old "closed" reports - two massive detours they were causing due to not realising there was access and the one that requires climbing a nearly hidden set of steps has been fixed but the one missing a really obvious, visible from overhead photos footpath hasn't been!

Alun · 01-03-2020 11:08am

skodacb wrote: »

Should be under the new contribute settings, edit map and then there's a list of options, including add missing road. I am at level 7 though on Google maps, not sure whether that makes a difference.

I'm a few points shy of level 6, but the vast majority of my edits are accepted. A few haven't, but there's no real reason given apart from that Google "couldn't verify" them, and there's no way to contest this or engage with them further. google in a nutshell, really.

There's one I entered recently, a small car park up in the Mournes which is in twice, once with it's real name and another with a makey-uppy name and I suggested removing it as there was a duplicate, got a refusal within minutes despite anybody with half a brain cell being able to see from the satellite imagery that it's the same place.

Alun · 01-03-2020 11:18am

skodacb wrote: »

Should be under the new contribute settings, edit map and then there's a list of options, including add missing road. I am at level 7 though on Google maps, not sure whether that makes a difference.

Hmm, can't find anything like "edit map" anywhere. Possibly a level issue as you say.

two wheels good · 01-03-2020 11:43am

I wonder is it updated on Garmin or OSM (OpenStreetMaps)? I should update to check.

Victor · 01-03-2020 12:31pm

two wheels good wrote: »

I wonder is it updated on Garmin or OSM (OpenStreetMaps)? I should update to check.

OpenStreetMaps usually has and major road or rail project mapped on the day it opens.

Sam Russell · 01-03-2020 1:44pm

two wheels good wrote: »

I wonder is it updated on Garmin or OSM (OpenStreetMaps)? I should update to check.

I updated my Garmin yesterday and it shows the RFK bridge.

Alun · 01-03-2020 1:51pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

I updated my Garmin yesterday and it shows the RFK bridge.

Garmin were uncharacteristically quick with this one, certainly. I updated my maps on 10th February and it was on there then, version 2020.30.

Jamie2k9 · 01-03-2020 2:15pm

skodacb wrote: »

I added the Enniscorthy bypass to Google Maps the day it was opened and Google had it reviewed and added in a day or 2.

Done the same with the New Ross bypass and it's still sitting in pending under my contributions.

That might explain why N11 hasn't been changed to an R road then or is it officially N11 still.

Chris_5339762 · 01-03-2020 2:43pm

Victor wrote: »

OpenStreetMaps usually has and major road or rail project mapped on the day it opens.

...or before, if a user sneaks onto it with a bike and a GPS a few days before

Victor · 01-03-2020 7:54pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

...or before, if a user sneaks onto it with a bike and a GPS a few days before

Nah. Satellite images mean you can map it months or years in advance.

L1011 · 01-03-2020 8:30pm

There was a user here I used to send GPS traces and similar to for stuff I just can't understand on OSM editing (I do POI info updates only, anything else confuses me :pac:) but they no longer post here.

There's two traffic flow changes, one quite significant in impact, that are long since implemented on the ground; and a new pedestrian walkway I'm aware of all not reflected on OSM if there's anyone who knows what they're doing.

Victor · 01-03-2020 9:54pm

L1011 wrote: »

There was a user here I used to send GPS traces and similar to for stuff I just can't understand on OSM editing (I do POI info updates only, anything else confuses me :pac:) but they no longer post here.

There's two traffic flow changes, one quite significant in impact, that are long since implemented on the ground; and a new pedestrian walkway I'm aware of all not reflected on OSM if there's anyone who knows what they're doing.

If you want, use the "Add a note to the map" feature and let me know about it - I'm VictorIE there.

L1011 · 01-03-2020 10:17pm

Will do tomorrow when I'm at a PC with a bigger screen.

m17 · 01-03-2020 10:27pm

27/02/20

skodacb · 02-03-2020 1:39pm

Finally showing on GMaps as of this morning.

Alun · 02-03-2020 1:43pm

skodacb wrote: »

Finally showing on GMaps as of this morning.

Still showing the old route as the E30 though.

Hibernicis · 02-03-2020 1:47pm

Alun wrote: »

Still showing the old route as the E30 though.

And still using the old route for route planning

Alun · 02-03-2020 1:50pm

Hibernicis wrote: »

And still using the old route for route planning

Weird, you can't even specify a start and end point anywhere on the new road section!!

blindsider · 03-03-2020 12:28am

skodacb wrote: »

Finally showing on GMaps as of this morning.

Dunno if it's a coincidence but I lodged two submissions to Google yesterday, on foot of some comments here...

Anyway, it's there now...

BelfastVanMan · 03-03-2020 9:57am

Seems they DO pay attention to us, at Google Maps.

Just wish they'd read the 2nd half of my email, telling them to downgrade the old roads to R roads....

chooseusername · 03-03-2020 10:05am

Shaves 3 km and 3 mins (traffic permitting) off your journey, according to Google!
They,re calling the old route "E30".
Why not call it "R251 or something?
Not on Google street view yet.

marno21 · 03-03-2020 10:17am

chooseusername wrote: »

Shaves 3 km and 3 mins (traffic permitting) off your journey, according to Google!
They,re calling the old route "E30".
Why not call it "R251 or something?
Not on Google street view yet.

The old route is the R723 but Google haven't got around to updating that yet.

It probably won't be on Google Street View for some time.

chooseusername · 03-03-2020 10:25am

marno21 wrote: »

The old route is the R723 but Google haven't got around to updating that yet.

It probably won't be on Google Street View for some time.

Thanks Marno,
I can see that now;

https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=R733

josip · 03-03-2020 11:26am

chooseusername wrote: »

Thanks Marno,
I can see that now;

https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=R733

Do Google have a Street View car permanently in Ireland or do they only bring one in on an as needs basis?

L1011 · 03-03-2020 11:47am

They bring them - far more than one - in. They only do Ireland in better weather so usually May to October

pajoguy · 03-03-2020 12:39pm

L1011 wrote: »

They bring them - far more than one - in. They only do Ireland in better weather so usually May to October

There are a lot of images around the country from june 2018 when we had a really good summer... if only we could roof it.....

yannakis · 03-03-2020 10:18pm

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Seems they DO pay attention to us, at Google Maps.

Just wish they'd read the 2nd half of my email, telling them to downgrade the old roads to R roads....

In the meantime, you can try Waze which is up to date since weeks

https://www.waze.com/en-GB/livemap/directions?latlng=52.396710577108536%2C-6.898169517517091

L1011 wrote: »

They bring them - far more than one - in. They only do Ireland in better weather so usually May to October

Coincidentally, I think I saw a Streetview car in Drumcondra last week. I was driving in the opposite direction and it was in the bus lane hiding behind traffic so not 100% certain, but it looked like the 7 lens 140 Megapixel yoke.

Alun · 04-03-2020 8:56am

Google Maps seems to be using the new road for routing now at last.

CrabRevolution · 04-03-2020 11:17am

L1011 wrote: »

They bring them - far more than one - in. They only do Ireland in better weather so usually May to October

From the current Streetview images it looks like they visited New Ross last September, so it could be a while before they go down that neck of the woods again.

L1011 · 04-03-2020 11:23am

yannakis wrote: »

Coincidentally, I think I saw a Streetview car in Drumcondra last week. I was driving in the opposite direction and it was in the bus lane hiding behind traffic so not 100% certain, but it looked like the 7 lens 140 Megapixel yoke.

Could be them, Apple - or Garmin could have put cameras on too, last time I saw them it was just aerials.

road_high · 08-03-2020 12:35am

Fascinating piece on the old N25 from the late 1980s. Really amazing indepth footage and analysis. The old road looked dreadful, even the surface and signage were woeful.
https://www.rte.ie/archives/collections/news/21271228-kilkenny-road-causing-concern/

What year was it eventually bypassed? Things must have moved fairly quickly after this video

NewbridgeIR · 08-03-2020 12:58am

road_high wrote: »

Fascinating piece on the old N25 from the late 1980s. Really amazing indepth footage and analysis. The old road looked dreadful, even the surface and signage were woeful.
https://www.rte.ie/archives/collections/news/21271228-kilkenny-road-causing-concern/

What year was it eventually bypassed? Things must have mixed fairly quickly after this video

Thanks for that; nice to relive the trip again; did it umpteen times over the years. There was a great chipper van out by the Pink Rock in the 80s. That bridge was the scene of many collisions - including a fatal one between a CIE bus and a van c.1991

The road was eventually bypassed in 1992 or 1993 when most of my circle got our first provisional licenses.

road_high · 08-03-2020 10:25am

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

Thanks for that; nice to relive the trip again; did it umpteen times over the years. There was a great chipper van out by the Pink Rock in the 80s. That bridge was the scene of many collisions - including a fatal one between a CIE bus and a van c.1991

The road was eventually bypassed in 1992 or 1993 when most of my circle got our first provisional licenses.

Just skipped across it in the RTE archives, had no idea the piece was there. It’s amazing how cavalier the attitude to safety was - there was minimal warning about the bridge or anything like that. Irish road network has come a long way in 30 years

alta stare · 08-03-2020 10:41am

Interesting video and hard to believe that was the main road between New Ross and Waterford. I bet that commute was a nightmare.

road_high · 08-03-2020 10:53am

alta stare wrote: »

Interesting video and hard to believe that was the main road between New Ross and Waterford. I bet that commute was a nightmare.

People tended to avoid even small commutes back then. They were more likely to stay put with the limited opportunities in their local town. I remember though people from Kilkenny used “commute” a lot to Carlow town in the early 90s as it had a lot of industrial jobs but that stretch of the old N9 was relatively good.
Some of the old N25 featured has just been doubly bypassed now.
The N25 wasn’t unique the country was full of awful N roads then

JohnC. · 08-03-2020 10:53am

Never mind New Ross to Waterford, it was the main road from a major port to a good portion of the country.

eagerv · 08-03-2020 11:14am

road_high wrote: »

Fascinating piece on the old N25 from the late 1980s. Really amazing indepth footage and analysis. The old road looked dreadful, even the surface and signage were woeful.
https://www.rte.ie/archives/collections/news/21271228-kilkenny-road-causing-concern/

What year was it eventually bypassed? Things must have moved fairly quickly after this video

Thanks for posting link. The last 20 seconds or so I found particularly interesting approaching New Ross.

road_high · 08-03-2020 11:34am

eagerv wrote: »

Thanks for posting link. The last 20 seconds or so I found particularly interesting approaching New Ross.

Was trying to figure that out- think the now old N25 was realigned along there and that petrol station is still there it selling used cars? It’s an amazing video alright. 32 years ago today

Harry Palmr · 08-03-2020 11:39am

Ah the good old days, a fcking boreen it was. Impossibly narrow at some points.

Of course it's real problem was that it was in south Kilkenny, the neglect and sheer lack of interest that Kilkenny Coco has for infrastructure at the "wrong" end of the county is ongoing. If it links Wexford and Waterford they have no interest.

road_high · 08-03-2020 12:01pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Ah the good old days, a fcking boreen it was. Impossibly narrow at some points.

Of course it's real problem was that it was in south Kilkenny, the neglect and sheer lack of interest that Kilkenny Coco has for infrastructure at the "wrong" end of the county is ongoing. If it links Wexford and Waterford they have no interest.

Let’s not get into conspiracy theories, the road was sorted/transformed as was the N9, The country then was littered with dreadful N roads- is the current N25 in east cork or around Dungarvan the result of the same thing? I don’t think any one would argue it is. That idea was raised in the video and neutralised- the political pull was clearly focused elsewhere and they said as much in the video with the EU funding sent elsewhere- a central government at the decision. Clearly though someone got their arses in gear as it was bypassed only 3/4 years later

road_high · 08-03-2020 12:07pm

Interesting to see the old rail line still in use too for freight. Was that a fertiliser train? Must have closed soon after too

N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

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