The Strike is over. What happens now?

Robson99 · 18-10-2019 11:42pm

ruwithme wrote: »

i would have thought you thats always posting figures would have realised it was a 8 cent a kg increase.

He is not on about that.

Bass Reeves · 19-10-2019 12:07am

Panch18 wrote: »

Christ do you actually think this is some kind of victory or something??

WOW

Yes

Panch18 wrote: »

This ****ing 20 cent you keep on about. How do you know who’s getting or who isn’t?

You don’t. Your just guessing

The only ones doing the bullying are those who stood on factory gates totally against the will of most beef farmers. A cohort of loud mouthed f@@kers who had nothing to loose themselves but we’re more than willing to sacrifice beef finishers. That’s a simple fact for yiu

The majority backed the protest. There was a reason why ICSA, ICMSA, andIFA all came behind it becase the MAJORITY of farmers backed it

duffysfarm wrote: »

well said. and as for the 20 cents extra, i got one animal away this morning to Eurofarm Duleek and took 20 cents lessa kg than any other factory was offering. the only reason that i took 20 cents less was because Duleek was the only place that would take her off me!

We are taking about the base for prime cattle heifers and steers not the odd canner cow

duffysfarm wrote: »

well it there was a problem at the factory gate then the protests made it worse. i am telling ya, larry came up with the protest idea in the first place. who else would be that stupid to protest at that time of the year.

Delusions and conspiracy theories. I suppose there no family holiday next year For some it more mundane it a case of putting kids through college, bread on the table, or a few pints Saturday night after the local team win the County Final

duffysfarm · 19-10-2019 6:03am

Keep on dreaming boss, Larry still loves you

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes

The majority backed the protest. There was a reason why ICSA, ICMSA, andIFA all came behind it becase the MAJORITY of farmers backed it

We are taking about the base for prime cattle heifers and steers not the odd canner cow

Delusions and conspiracy theories. I suppose there no family holiday next year For some it more mundane it a case of putting kids through college, bread on the table, or a few pints Saturday night after the local team win the County Final

greysides · 19-10-2019 7:36am

Mod: Okay lads, let's cool this down a level. Don't make it personal.

duffysfarm · 19-10-2019 7:38am

Agree, maybe it should be closed down as I don't see it going anywhere at this stage

greysides wrote: »

Mod: Okay lads, let's cool this down a level. Don't make it personal.

wrangler · 19-10-2019 7:45am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes

The majority backed the protest. There was a reason why ICSA, ICMSA, andIFA all came behind it becase the MAJORITY of farmers backed it

We are taking about the base for prime cattle heifers and steers not the odd canner cow

Delusions and conspiracy theories. I suppose there no family holiday next year For some it more mundane it a case of putting kids through college, bread on the table, or a few pints Saturday night after the local team win the County Final

IFA told farmers it was up to themselves and to be fair the mess was landed in on them when it went bad.
To accuse them of backing it would be an exaggeration
I'm sure they knew well that any deal was going to end badly and were brave to get involved, It was a no win situation,
If brexit happens those protests will be the gift that keeps on giving for a long long time if demand from britain is curtailed in any way

memorystick · 19-10-2019 10:19am

duffysfarm wrote: »

Agree, maybe it should be closed down as I don't see it going anywhere at this stage

The thread or farming?

Good loser · 19-10-2019 11:29pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

BS the price of cattle in the marts is dictated by finished cattle prices that factories pay. Poor returns are because of poor factory prices. It not like processors will compete for farmers cattle in the mart

Amazing you see that connection - store prices reflecting beef prices

And not the fact that factory prices reflect market prices for beef.

There is no difference. Unless you're a conspiracy theorist!

Incidentally do you think there is a conspiracy among factories to pay 10c more for heifers than bullocks?

Bass Reeves · 20-10-2019 12:30am

Good loser wrote: »

Amazing you see that connection - store prices reflecting beef prices

And not the fact that factory prices reflect market prices for beef.

There is no difference. Unless you're a conspiracy theorist!

Incidentally do you think there is a conspiracy among factories to pay 10c more for heifers than bullocks?

The UK take over 50% of our beef. A market report in late summer showed that retail beef prices rose by 10%, the Irish factory price is running about 10-15% lower this year on the higher end if you take bull prices into account. The factory price drop would be much more if the strikes did not happen. Processors were talking about 3/kg most opinion was that they had an autumn price of lower than 3.3/kg in there sights. Under the payment system we are at 3.52 of a base for steers at the present base price of 3.45/kg

The reason processors pay 10c/kg more for heifers is I imagine that a much higher percentage fall within the UK supermarket spec which is the highest paying market. Only a small percentage of heifers go above 330kgs DW compared to the percentage of steers that go above 400kgs DW

No I am not a conspiracy theorist as yesterday
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-announces-public-consultation-for-utp-directive/

kk.man · 20-10-2019 9:34am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The UK take over 50% of our beef. A market report in late summer showed that retail beef prices rose by 10%, the Irish factory price is running about 10-15% lower this year on the higher end if you take bull prices into account. The factory price drop would be much more if the strikes did not happen. Processors were talking about 3/kg most opinion was that they had an autumn price of lower than 3.3/kg in there sights. Under the payment system we are at 3.52 of a base for steers at the present base price of 3.45/kg

The reason processors pay 10c/kg more for heifers is I imagine that a much higher percentage fall within the UK supermarket spec which is the highest paying market. Only a small percentage of heifers go above 330kgs DW compared to the percentage of steers that go above 400kgs DW

No I am not a conspiracy theorist as yesterday
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-announces-public-consultation-for-utp-directive/

I was talking to a guy who finishes alot of cattle during the week. He was furious with the grades he is getting for his finished stock since the new grading system is in place.

gerryirl · 20-10-2019 10:10am

kk.man wrote: »

I was talking to a guy who finishes alot of cattle during the week. He was furious with the grades he is getting for his finished stock since the new grading system is in place.

Ill have to take his word on it.. I cant get anything killed to find out...:D

Hard Knocks · 20-10-2019 10:53am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The UK take over 50% of our beef. A market report in late summer showed that retail beef prices rose by 10%, the Irish factory price is running about 10-15% lower this year on the higher end if you take bull prices into account. The factory price drop would be much more if the strikes did not happen. Processors were talking about 3/kg most opinion was that they had an autumn price of lower than 3.3/kg in there sights. Under the payment system we are at 3.52 of a base for steers at the present base price of 3.45/kg

The reason processors pay 10c/kg more for heifers is I imagine that a much higher percentage fall within the UK supermarket spec which is the highest paying market. Only a small percentage of heifers go above 330kgs DW compared to the percentage of steers that go above 400kgs DW

No I am not a conspiracy theorist as yesterday
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-announces-public-consultation-for-utp-directive/

Don’t forget the IFJ events earlier in the year were warning of €2.50/kg

Danzy · 20-10-2019 11:01am

Without the protests, beef price would be significantly less.

I feel for the lad who has the full shed waiting but the pain of 3 a kg would be brutal as well.

Add in on top of that, it would finish lads bringing cattle to the Mart for short or longer term beef finishers. I buy most all my animals circa 400kg, 50 kg either way for differing reasons.

Unless larger operators will rear calves. Cabt aee that happening.

Gods Gift · 20-10-2019 11:15am

2 600kg bullocks made €1350 yesterday in ballinakill.
Bps is out.

duffysfarm · 20-10-2019 3:04pm

only the mods can close down this thread. the strikes are doing their best to close down the farming

memorystick wrote: »

The thread or farming?

kk.man · 20-10-2019 3:18pm

gerryirl wrote: »

Ill have to take his word on it.. I cant get anything killed to find out...:D

My last load gone today thank God. They went to ABP Cahir never sent them there before. Between 3 factories I eventually got 1!

gerryirl · 20-10-2019 3:22pm

kk.man wrote: »

My last load gone today thank God. They went to ABP Cahir never sent them there before. Between 3 factories I eventually got 1!

good on you.. they wont take them up my way unless you were killing with them already

MIKEKC · 20-10-2019 4:43pm

kk.man wrote: »

My last load gone today thank God. They went to ABP Cahir never sent them there before. Between 3 factories I eventually got 1!

Lucky you locals waiting weeks to get cattle into Cahir

Bass Reeves · 20-10-2019 4:43pm

duffysfarm wrote: »

only the mods can close down this thread. the strikes are doing their best to close down the farming

You seem to be very interested in getting this thread closed down.

By the way the strikes are for the beef farming to survive. At 3/kg we all be closed down.

Water John · 20-10-2019 4:50pm

I find 'unfollow' usually solves the problem if I'm unhappy with a discussion thread. No reason to stop others continuing the conversation.

Bass Reeves · 20-10-2019 4:56pm

Water John wrote: »

I find 'unfollow' usually solves the problem if I'm unhappy with a discussion thread. No reason to stop others continuing the conversation.

Unless you have an agenda

coolshannagh28 · 20-10-2019 5:10pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Unless you have an agenda

Fifth columnists ?

patsy_mccabe · 20-10-2019 6:09pm

kk.man wrote: »

My last load gone today thank God. They went to ABP Cahir never sent them there before. Between 3 factories I eventually got 1!

So will you be restocking again?

Danzy · 20-10-2019 6:11pm

duffysfarm wrote: »

only the mods can close down this thread. the strikes are doing their best to close down the farming

Yeah, beef farming was lifting up to the day the strike started.

kk.man · 20-10-2019 8:34pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

So will you be restocking again?

I will. I have some stores and plenty of fodder so no hurry.

Bass Reeves · 21-10-2019 8:47am

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Fifth columnists ?

Na I say more agent provocateur's

_Brian · 21-10-2019 9:05am

Is the tradtorcade to block Dublin the natural progression from the strike ?

I feel if anything is being done a more surgical style of protest would be better rather than inconveniencing the average worker who we need on our side.

Bass Reeves · 21-10-2019 9:20am

_Brian wrote: »

Is the tradtorcade to block Dublin the natural progression from the strike ?

I feel if anything is being done a more surgical style of protest would be better rather than inconveniencing the average worker who we need on our side.

It used to once be the part of all IFA presidents itinerary. At some stage during there tenure they have a tractorcade to Dublin. I think Dillion was the last one.

Water John · 21-10-2019 9:27am

A protest at the factories was arranged for them this time, they contracted out for the service, Cullinan turned up.

alps · 21-10-2019 12:11pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It used to once be the part of all IFA presidents itinerary. At some stage during there tenure they have a tractorcade to Dublin. I think Dillion was the last one.

Any IFA protest is designed and timed not to effect the general public. They are your customers...You don't s### on your own doorstep...

_Brian · 21-10-2019 12:38pm

alps wrote: »

Any IFA protest is designed and timed not to effect the general public. They are your customers...You don't s### on your own doorstep...

Absolutely.
One only has to see the absolute vitriol towards the Extinction Rebellion group because they had intentionally obstructed the ordinary person to know how it would be counterproductive to do it.

Base price · 21-10-2019 12:55pm

_Brian wrote: »

Is the tradtorcade to block Dublin the natural progression from the strike ?

I feel if anything is being done a more surgical style of protest would be better rather than inconveniencing the average worker who we need on our side.

Would it not be better to let the Beef Taskforce have a meeting. I haven't heard if the injunctions by C&D Foods on the two Longford farmers have been removed yet.

Siamsa Sessions · 21-10-2019 1:18pm

_Brian wrote: »

Absolutely.
One only has to see the absolute vitriol towards the Extinction Rebellion group because they had intentionally obstructed the ordinary person to know how it would be counterproductive to do it.

Correct.

Well-meaning intentions are one thing but that's not enough to change hearts and minds. You can't shout or shame people into changing their behaviour. Better to encourage and cajole for *any* reason to do the right thing, rather than trying to get them to do the right thing *and* for the right reason.

_Brian · 21-10-2019 2:18pm

Base price wrote: »

Would it not be better to let the Beef Taskforce have a meeting. I haven't heard if the injunctions by C&D Foods on the two Longford farmers have been removed yet.

Indeed.
I’m not promoting any further action, just that a tractorcade is the least effective I could think of

But there seems to be huge appetite for a tractorcade.

Water John · 21-10-2019 2:30pm

Tractorcade lets clowns bring their best shiny model. They sort of miss the whole PR purpose on the demo.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-10-2019 3:13pm

Water John wrote: »

Tractorcade lets clowns bring their best shiny model. They sort of miss the whole PR purpose on the demo.

A tractorcade of scraper tractors in their working clothes straight from the yard is what we need:pac:

Jb1989 · 21-10-2019 3:18pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

A tractorcade of scraper tractors in their working clothes straight from the yard is what we need:pac:

A series of airlocked 168s and overheated 4000s in the city centre would raise an eye to the crisis alright.

mf240 · 21-10-2019 6:06pm

Resulting in hundreds of farmers discussing tax and insurance on the train home.

orm0nd · 21-10-2019 6:23pm

we blocked up limerick city on the 8th Dec. ( forget the year possibly early 80's ) a few nuffields and Mf 65's & a large number of foot soldiers,

initially it was thought the crowd was small but ppl were late arriving due to traffic and parking problems , so we were told to walk 5 abreast with a metre either side and front and back of you to
made the parade look big

great support from the culchie shoppers in town for the day, a city jackeen started shouting abuse , our club chairman was in the row in front of me and clocked your man with a left hook that conor mcgregor would have been proud of, 2 guardai just turned the other way

great crack later and a few pubs gave out free soup and sandwiches

mf240 · 21-10-2019 8:03pm

Is there any chance of protests returning.

gerryirl · 21-10-2019 8:10pm

mf240 wrote: »

Is there any chance of protests returning.

is there any chance of getting a few cattle killed

Base price · 21-10-2019 8:20pm

mf240 wrote: »

Is there any chance of protests returning.

Hopefully not as I wasn't in favour with the last ones due to the timing. I'm not a member of the Beef Plan/Independent Farmers Movement but two of their members still have High Court injunctions hanging over their heads that were instigated by C&G Foods in Longford. C&G Foods are not members of MII (Meat Industry Ireland) but the company is owned by Larry Goodman's group of companies and one would have thought that those injunctions would have been wiped out after the recent agreement.

Joe Healy (IFA) has stated that unless those injunctions are removed then the Beef Taskforce talks will not take place.

gerryirl · 21-10-2019 8:52pm

Its right up MII's alley for the talk not to take place but having said that Id rather the injuctions were gone. No one wants that over there heads.

tractorporn · 21-10-2019 9:45pm

Sure aren't the Chinese going to buy all our beef now?

We'll all be millionaires this time next year rodders!

Water John · 21-10-2019 9:46pm

They're taking our pigs already. Not sure of the wealth.

kk.man · 21-10-2019 9:50pm

gerryirl wrote: »

Its right up MII's alley for the talk not to take place but having said that Id rather the injuctions were gone. No one wants that over there heads.

I believe the verbal abuse directed at Larry outside the department was atrocious from the protestors. There is a difference between a strike and personal abuse.

alps · 21-10-2019 10:35pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Sure aren't the Chinese going to buy all our beef now?

We'll all be millionaires this time next year rodders!

Just in time for dairy calf sales....yippeeee

Base price · 21-10-2019 10:54pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Sure aren't the Chinese going to buy all our beef now?

We'll all be millionaires this time next year rodders!

My prediction is that the Chinese interests will buy up the main three processors within the next 5 years.

Danzy · 21-10-2019 11:42pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Sure aren't the Chinese going to buy all our beef now?

We'll all be millionaires this time next year rodders!

If China eats beef like the yanks do, they will eat every piece of beef that is exported In the world.

African Swine fever is taking out the main source of protein In the world.

Beef is a smaller player in global meat.

The killing of half the pigs in China is bigger than every beef animal in Europe and North America dying.

It certainly take a the pressure off.

_Brian · 22-10-2019 7:54am

Base price wrote: »

My prediction is that the Chinese interests will buy up the main three processors within the next 5 years.

Up until the pork problem in China I would have said that was unlikely. However I’d not be surprised.
It would be more their style to own full production systems so they may want to own a bunch of feedlots too to control supplies. I do not see the Chinese being the saviour of Irish beef. They may need us temporarily but it’s not their style to rely on buying processed food.

I would wonder if they are going spending money would they not buy up production systems in places like Romania where no doubt better value is likely.

The Strike is over. What happens now?

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