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The sun is dead!! Mini iceage???

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    We are officially into Solar Cycle 25 according to NOAA..

    https://www.weather.gov/news/201509-solar-cycle

    They state that solar minimum occurred in December 2019 and we are heading towards a solar maximum in 2025.

    They predict solar cycle 25 to be small but similar to solar cycle 24. They are not expecting there to be any Maunder type minimum approaching after that.

    But then again these solar predictions are very hard to make so anything is still possible in that respect, and we will probably know a lot more when this cycle progresses to see how right they are.

    They got the last cycle prediction completely wrong.

    Im sticking with zharakova. She hasnt been wrong with solar cycle prediction yet.

    But NASA agree with her (now) that this cycle will be similar to the last. Its the solar cycle after that, where Zharkova says the cycle will bottom out.

    Time will tell I guess.

    Edit: her latest editorial..
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    They got the last cycle prediction completely wrong.

    Im sticking with zharakova. She hasnt been wrong with solar cycle prediction yet.

    But NASA agree with her (now) that this cycle will be similar to the last. Its the solar cycle after that, where Zharkova says the cycle will bottom out.

    Time will tell I guess.

    does that mean if were to "notice anything" definitive it would be the far side of 2030?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    They got the last cycle prediction completely wrong.

    Im sticking with zharakova. She hasnt been wrong with solar cycle prediction yet.

    But NASA agree with her (now) that this cycle will be similar to the last. Its the solar cycle after that, where Zharkova says the cycle will bottom out.

    Time will tell I guess.

    I didn't think they were that far out. In 2009 they predicted the cycle peak to be in May 2013with a maximum sunspot number of 90.
    The peak actually happened in April 2014 with maximum sunspots of 114.

    I guess we will know more about this cycle when we get close to maximum, but we may not find out if another Maunder type minimum is likely for maybe another 10 or 11 years.

    NOAA actually predict that solar cycles will start going up in intensity again after this one so it will be very interesting to see how it pans out, we are just going to have to wait many years for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    I didn't think they were that far out. In 2009 they predicted the cycle peak to be in May 2013with a maximum sunspot number of 90.
    The peak actually happened in April 2014 with maximum sunspots of 114.

    I guess we will know more about this cycle when we get close to maximum, but we may not find out if another Maunder type minimum is likely for maybe another 10 or 11 years.

    NOAA actually predict that solar cycles will start going up in intensity again after this one so it will be very interesting to see how it pans out, we are just going to have to wait many years for it.

    yeah. She predicted this last solar cycle at 1/2 strength in 2000 and was laughed at. Her reply, we just have to wait and see. Shes been bang on so far, but under fierve attack as she is predicting temp drop.

    Silverharp, yes in her latest editorial she says:

    This, in turn, can lead to a drop of the terrestrial temperature by up to 1.0°C from the current temperature during the next three cycles (25–27) of grand minimum 1. The largest temperature drops will be approaching during the local minima between cycles 25 − 26 and cycles 26–27 when the lowest solar activity level is achieved using the estimations in Figure 2 (bottom plot) and Figure 3. Therefore, the average temperature in the Northern hemisphere can be reduced by up to 1.0°C from the current temperature, which was increased by 1.4°C since Maunder minimum. This will result in the average temperature to become lower than the current one to be only 0.4°C higher than the temperature measured in 1710. Then, after the modern grand solar minimum 1 is over, the solar activity in cycle 28 will be restored to normal in the rather short but powerful grand solar cycle lasting between 2053 and 2370

    ....so who knows? But my moneys on her. Shes been ahead of the game all along, and only one of 2 world wide who correctly predicted the last 1/2 strength solar cycle.


  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    They got the last cycle prediction completely wrong.

    Im sticking with zharakova. She hasnt been wrong with solar cycle prediction yet.

    But NASA agree with her (now) that this cycle will be similar to the last. Its the solar cycle after that, where Zharkova says the cycle will bottom out.

    Time will tell I guess.

    Edit: her latest editorial..
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243


    That was a really good read cheers for sharing


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    The sun is very quiet at the moment - 31 days blank in a row today, Solar Flux is 70

    Spotless Days
    Current Stretch: 31 days
    2020 total: 187 days (71%)
    2019 total: 281 days (77%)
    2018 total: 221 days (61%)
    2017 total: 104 days (28%)
    2016 total: 32 days (9%)
    2015 total: 0 days (0%)
    2014 total: 1 day (<1%)
    2013 total: 0 days (0%)
    2012 total: 0 days (0%)
    2011 total: 2 days (<1%)
    2010 total: 51 days (14%)
    2009 total: 260 days (71%)
    2008 total: 268 days (73%)
    2007 total: 152 days (42%)
    2006 total: 70 days (19%)


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Two contradictory headlines on spaceweather.com
    A MONTH WITHOUT SUNSPOTS: The sun has been without sunspots for 31 straight days--a full month. This interval has pushed the current Solar Minimum into historic territory. Since 2016, there have been 825 spotless days. To find a lull in the solar cycle with more spotless days, you have to go back to the years around 1913 when the sun racked up 1023 spotless days. We are now experiencing a century-class Solar Minimum.Aurora alerts: SMS text.

    SOLAR CYCLE 25 STRIKES BACK: The face of the sun is blank now, but it won't be blank for long. A new sunspot group is about to rotate over the eastern edge of the sun. Its magnetic canopy is visible in this image from NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory:

    So maybe tomorrow there will be a new sunspot coming around.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lets just hope we don't get a super flare, have those anti static bags ready for your phone and shortwave radio. Though if one that big comes the phone network will most likely be useless. Always good to have a shortwave radio protected.

    We missed a big one was it last year ? luckily the sun spat out the super big flare away from Earth.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    I get that some of these sites and stuff want clicks but I've found some of the dramatics over cycle 25 thus far a bit funny.

    So much 'WOW SOLAR CYCLE 25 ROARING IN TO ACTION' every time a single spot pops up, even if it's the most pathetic little thing that dissipates in a day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Lucreto


    On the 19th September last year there was 185 spotless days. This year its 187 days.

    The new cycle is not first out the gate anyway.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lapua20grain




  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like cycle 25 is now wide open.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭Mr Velo




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Interesting new research suggests the next solar sunspot cycle may be a maximum not a minimum - https://phys.org/news/2020-12-sunspot-strongest.html
    In direct contradiction to the official forecast, a team of scientists led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) is predicting that the Sunspot Cycle that started this fall could be one of the strongest since record-keeping began.

    Quite an good read, time will tell how accurate their prediction is.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As an Amateur radio Operator I can see the effects of the recent Sun Spots, propagation is definitely up on the higher bands above 14 Mhz.

    More Sun activity is definitely good news.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    CME and dense solar wind incoming and due to hit around the same time tomorrow.



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The method that spaceweather use to measure spotless days is laughable right now, we're already exceeding last year's levels.
    Sunspot number: 0
    What is the sunspot number?
    Updated 07 Jan 2021

    Spotless Days
    Current Stretch: 4 days
    2021 total: 4 days (57%)
    2020 total: 208 days (57%)
    2019 total: 281 days (77%)
    2018 total: 221 days (61%)
    2017 total: 104 days (28%)
    2016 total: 32 days (9%)
    2015 total: 0 days (0%)


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bazlers


    Looking into next years winter ( bit stupid with this winter not past yet) but i wonder could there be a delay in the effects of low solar activity. Sun spots still actually quiet low.
    If this was combined with a VEI 6 volcanic explosion in Iceland namely Katla, timed at the right time to effect winter. What major effects to Winter could we expect anyone? Fantasy stuff here but strange times as they are anything goes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,956 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    bazlers wrote: »
    Looking into next years winter ( bit stupid with this winter not past yet) but i wonder could there be a delay in the effects of low solar activity. Sun spots still actually quiet low.
    If this was combined with a VEI 6 volcanic explosion in Iceland namely Katla, timed at the right time to effect winter. What major effects to Winter could we expect anyone? Fantasy stuff here but strange times as they are anything goes.

    Hoefully a repeat of the winter of 1947! But seriously, i always thought the eruption of the Volcano in Iceland during 2010 had an impact on our winter that year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    What a load of horse manure no correction this thread is just pure unrecyable plastic waste, Spoof strung out into fourteen paragraphs is still spoof.

    The Earth will be consumed by the Sun long before it dies which will be around the same time the Andromeda galaxy merges with the Milkyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    What a load of horse manure no correction this thread is just pure unrecyable plastic waste, Spoof strung out into fourteen paragraphs is still spoof.

    The Earth will be consumed by the Sun long before it dies which will be around the same time the Andromeda galaxy merges with the Milkyway.

    Is there context to this or deleted post before it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Nabber wrote: »
    Is there context to this or deleted post before it?

    Classic attempt at misdirection there Nabber whatever deleted post your on about has nothing todo with me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Classic attempt at misdirection there Nabber whatever deleted post your on about has nothing todo with me.

    I think he was referring to the below incoherent rambling that seems to be unlinked to any post on this page. I also can't make head nor tail of it.
    What a load of horse manure no correction this thread is just pure unrecyable plastic waste, Spoof strung out into fourteen paragraphs is still spoof.

    The Earth will be consumed by the Sun long before it dies which will be around the same time the Andromeda galaxy merges with the Milkyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I think he was referring to the below incoherent rambling that seems to be unlinked to any post on this page. I also can't make head nor tail of it.

    It’s relevant to the thread.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    What a load of horse manure no correction this thread is just pure unrecyable plastic waste, Spoof strung out into fourteen paragraphs is still spoof.

    The Earth will be consumed by the Sun long before it dies which will be around the same time the Andromeda galaxy merges with the Milkyway.

    MOD NOTE :

    DONT POST IN THIS THREAD AGAIN PLEASE


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So anyway, what's the latest with the sunspots is the sun waking up or is it still asleep with this new cycle ?


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So anyway, what's the latest with the sunspots is the sun waking up or is it still asleep with this new cycle ?
    There was a splurge of sunspots in the last quarter of last year, which brought down the yearly count from 70% to about 60% spotless, but since the start of the year it has gone quiet again (Earth side facing).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    So anyway, what's the latest with the sunspots is the sun waking up or is it still asleep with this new cycle ?


    As dolanbaker said there was a spike in 2020, I think it was from late November through early December. To lazy to verify.

    31 spotless days so far.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Very quiet in here.

    We've had the first proper earth directed CME impact of this sunspot cycle. It was a small one and not expected to induce much of Geomagnetic Storm if one at all. If it it did reach Storm levels then perhaps it was predicted to be no more than Kp 5. However, when it hit yesterday a Geomagnetic Storm magnitude of Kp 7 was reached.

    Edit: Just to add there was no coronal hole boost to the solar Wind so the storm was almost entirely attributable to the CME.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    It's happened again. Except with just the solar wind this time, not a CME. A weak wind was expected to impact a day or so ago but never arrived, suggesting it was a weak wind with low speed. A weak wind usually doesn't register much on the Kp index and so this is what was forecast by NOAA (forecast.jpg).

    They have had to revise their forecast. Updated since this morning. (forecast revised.jpg).

    Basically small scale and normal solar events have had slightly larger than expected geomagnetic impacts. Two recent occurrences does not make a trend but keep an eye.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Latest CMEs didn't impact as hard as predicted so no, no trend yet it seems.

    Cycle 25 is starting to ramp up now anyway in the last couple of months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Major solar flare ongoing. First x-flare of solar cycle 25 I believe.

    https://twitter.com/_SpaceWeather_/status/1411332929708494849?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Another Geomagnetic Storm as a result of a very weak CME.



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  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Another study that concludes that the sun is the most significant contributor to climate change mainly due to flawed temperature readings used by climate scientists.

    "A diverse expert panel of global scientists finds blaming climate change

    mostly on greenhouse gas emissions was premature. Their findings

    contradict the UN IPCC’s conclusion, which the study shows, is grounded

    in narrow and incomplete data about the Sun’s total solar irradiance. "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,292 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Link doesn't work, but then again, am I surprised?



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the link does work, it is to a PDF file that can be downloaded, not a web page.


    copy of article (minus images) below











    A diverse expert panel of global scientists finds blaming climate change

    mostly on greenhouse gas emissions was premature. Their findings

    contradict the UN IPCC’s conclusion, which the study shows, is grounded

    in narrow and incomplete data about the Sun’s total solar irradiance.

    Most of the energy in the Earth’s atmosphere comes from the Sun. It has long been recognized

    that changes in the so-called “total solar irradiance” (TSI), i.e., the amount of energy emitted

    by the Sun, over the last few centuries, could have contributed substantially to recent climate

    change. However, this new study found that the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate

    Change (IPCC) only considered a small subset of the published TSI datasets when they were

    assessing the role of the Sun in climate change and that this subset only included “low solar

    variability” datasets. As a result, the IPCC was premature in ruling out a substantial role for

    the Sun in recent climate change.

    A new scientific review article has just been published on the role of the Sun in climate change

    over the last 150 years. It finds that the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate

    Change (IPCC) may have been premature in their conclusion that recent climate change is mostly

    caused by human greenhouse gas emissions.

    The paper by 23 experts in the fields of solar physics and of climate science from 14 different

    countries is published in the peer-reviewed journal Research in Astronomy and Astrophysics

    (RAA). The paper, which is the most comprehensive to date, carries out an analysis of the 16 most

    prominent published solar output datasets, including those used by the IPCC. The researchers compared them to 26 different estimates of Northern Hemisphere temperature trends since the 19th

    century (sorted into five categories), including the datasets used by the IPCC. They focused on the

    Northern Hemisphere since the available data for the early 20th century and earlier is much more

    limited for the Southern Hemisphere, but their results can be generalized for global temperatures.

    The study found that scientists come to opposite conclusions about the causes of recent climate

    change depending on which datasets they consider. For instance, in the graphs above, the panels

    on the left lead to the conclusion that global temperature changes since the mid-19th century have

    been mostly due to human-caused emissions, especially carbon dioxide (CO2), i.e., the conclusion

    reached by the UN IPCC reports.

    In contrast, the panels on the right lead to the exact opposite conclusion, i.e., that the global

    temperature changes since the mid-19th century have been mostly due to natural cycles, chiefly

    long-term changes in the energy emitted by the Sun. Both sets of panels are based on published scientific data, but each uses different datasets and

    assumptions. On the left, it is assumed that the available temperature records are unaffected by the

    urban heat island problem, and so all stations are used, whether urban or rural. On the right, only

    rural stations are used. Meanwhile, on the left, solar output is modeled using the low variability

    dataset that has been chosen for the IPCC’s upcoming (in 2021/2022) 6th Assessment Reports. This

    implies zero contribution from natural factors to the long-term warming. On the right, solar output

    is modeled using a high variability dataset used by the team in charge of NASA’s ACRIM sun-

    monitoring satellites. This implies that most, if not all, of the long-term temperature changes

    are due to natural factors.

    Dr. Ronan Connolly, lead author of the study, at the Center for Environmental Research

    and Earth Sciences (CERES):

    “The IPCC is mandated to find a consensus on the causes of climate change. I understand the

    political usefulness of having a consensus view in that it makes things easier for politicians.

    However, science doesn’t work by consensus. In fact, science thrives best when scientists are

    allowed to disagree with each other and to investigate the various reasons for disagreement. I fear

    that by effectively only considering the datasets and studies that support their chosen narrative,

    the IPCC have seriously hampered scientific progress into genuinely understanding the causes of

    recent and future climate change. I am particularly disturbed by their inability to satisfactorily

    explain the rural temperature trends.”

    The 72 page review (18 figures, 2 tables and 544 references) explicitly avoided the IPCC’s

    consensus-driven approach in that the authors agreed to emphasize where dissenting scientific

    opinions exist as well as where there is scientific agreement. Indeed, each of the co-authors has

    different scientific opinions on many of the issues discussed, but they agreed for this paper to fairly

    present the competing arguments among the scientific community for each of these issues, and let

    the reader make up their own mind. Several co-authors spoke of how this process of objectively

    reviewing the pros and cons of competing scientific arguments for the paper has given them fresh

    ideas for their own future research. The authors also spoke of how the IPCC reports would have

    more scientific validity if the IPCC started to adopt this non-consensus driven approach.

    The full citation for the study is:

    R. Connolly, W. Soon, M. Connolly, S. Baliunas, J. Berglund, C. J. Butler, R. G. Cionco, A.

    G. Elias, V. M. Fedorov, H. Harde, G. W. Henry, D. V. Hoyt, O. Humlum, D. R. Legates, S.

    Luning, N. Scafetta, J.-E. Solheim, L. Szarka, H. van Loon, V. M. Velasco Herrera, R. C.

    Willson, H. Yan (晏宏) and W. Zhang (2021). How much has the Sun influenced Northern

    Hemisphere temperature trends? An ongoing debate. Research in Astronomy and Astrophysics,

    doi: 10.1088/1674-4527/21/6/131

    Quotes from some of the other co-authors

    Víctor Manuel Velasco Herrera, Professor of Theoretical Physics and Geophysics at the

    National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM):

    “This paper is very special in that all 23 co-authors set aside our research directions and

    specialties to produce a fair and balanced scientific review on the subject of sun-climate

    connections that the UN IPCC reports had mostly missed or simply neglected.”

    Nicola Scafetta, Professor of Oceanography and Atmospheric Physics at the University of

    Naples Federico II (Italy):

    “The possible contribution of the sun to the 20th-century global warming greatly depends on the

    specific solar and climatic records that are adopted for the analysis. The issue is crucial because

    the current claim of the IPCC that the sun has had a negligible effect on the post-industrial climate

    warming is only based on global circulation model predictions that are compared against climatic

    records, which are likely affected by non-climatic warming biases (such as those related to the

    urbanization), and that are produced using solar forcing functions, which are obtained with total

    solar irradiance records that present the smallest secular variability (while ignoring the solar

    studies pointing to a much larger solar variability that show also a different modulation that better

    correlates with the climatic ones). The consequence of such an approach is that the natural

    component of climate change is minimized, while the anthropogenic one is maximized. Both solar

    and climate scientists will find the RAA study useful and timely, as it highlights and addresses this

    very issue.”

    Ole Humlum, Emeritus Professor of Physical Geography at the University of Oslo, Norway:

    “This study clearly demonstrates the high importance of carefully looking into all aspects of all

    available data. Obviously, the old saying ‘Nullius in verba’ is still highly relevant in modern

    climate research.”

    Gregory Henry, Senior Research Scientist in Astronomy, from Tennessee State University’s

    Center of Excellence in Information Systems (U.S.A.):

    “During the past three decades, I have acquired highly precise measurements of brightness

    changes in over 300 Sun-like stars with a fleet of robotic telescopes developed for this purpose.

    The data show that, as Sun-like stars age, their rotation slows, and thus their magnetic activity

    and brightness variability decrease. Stars similar in age and mass to our Sun show brightness

    changes comparable to the Sun’s and would be expected to affect climate change in their own

    planetary systems.”

    Valery M. Fedorov, at the Faculty of Geography in Lomonosov Moscow State University,

    Russia:

    “The study of global climate change critically needs an analytical review of scientific studies of

    solar radiation variations associated with the Earth's orbital motion that could help to determine

    the role and contributions of solar radiation variations of different physical natures to long-term

    climate changes. This paper steers the scientific priority in the right direction.”

    Richard C. Willson, Principal Investigator in charge of NASA’s ACRIM series of Sun-

    monitoring Total Solar Irradiance satellite experiments (U.S.A.):

    “Contrary to the findings of the IPCC, scientific observations in recent decades have demonstrated

    that there is no ‘climate change crisis’. The concept that’s devolved into the failed CO2

    anthropogenic global warming (CAGW) hypothesis is based on the flawed predictions of imprecise

    1980’s vintage global circulation models that have failed to match observational data both since

    and prior to their fabrication.

    The Earth’s climate is determined primarily by the radiation it receives from the Sun. The amount

    of solar radiation the Earth receives has natural variabilities caused by both variations in the

    intrinsic amount of radiation emitted by the Sun and by variations in the Earth-Sun geometry

    caused by planetary rotational and orbital variations. Together these natural variations cause the

    Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) at the Earth to vary cyclically on a number of known periodicities

    that are synchronized with known past climatic changes.”

    WeiJia Zhang, Professor of Physics at Shaoxing University (China) and a Fellow of the Royal

    Astronomical Society (UK):

    “The quest to understand how the Earth’s climate is connected to the Sun is one of the oldest

    science subjects studied by the ancient Greeks and Chinese. This review paper blows open the

    mystery and explains why it has been so difficult to make scientific advances so far. It will take the

    real understanding of fluid dynamics and magnetism on both the Sun and Earth to find the next

    big leap forward.”

    Hong Yan (晏宏), Professor of Geology and Paleoclimatology at the Institute of Earth

    Environment and Vice Director of the State Key Laboratory of Loess and Quaternary

    Geology in Xi’an, China:

    “Paleoclimate evidence has long been informing us of the large natural variations of local,

    regional and hemispheric climate on decadal, multidecadal to centennial timescales. This paper

    will be a great scientific guide on how we can study the broad topic of natural climatic changes

    from the unique perspective of external forcings by the Sun’s multi-scale and multi-wavelength

    impacts and responses.”

    Ana G. Elias, Director of the Laboratorio de Ionosfera, Atmósfera Neutra y Magnetosfera

    (LIANM) at the Facultad de Ciencias Exactas y Tecnología in the Universidad Nacional de

    Tucumán (FACET-UNT), Argentina:

    “The importance of this work lies in presenting a broader perspective, showing that all the relevant

    long-term trend climate variability forcings, and not just the anthropogenic ones (as has been done

    mostly), must be considered. The way in which the role of these forcings is estimated, such as the

    case of solar and geomagnetic activity, is also important, without minimizing any one in pursuit

    of another. Even the Earth’s magnetic field could play a role in climate.”

    Willie Soon, at the Center for Environmental Research and Earth Sciences (CERES), who

    also has been researching sun/climate relationships at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for

    Astrophysics (U.S.A.) since 1991:

    “We know that the Sun is the primary source of energy for the Earth’s atmosphere. So, it always

    was an obvious potential contributor to recent climate change. My own research over the last 31

    years into the behavior of stars that are similar to our Sun, shows that solar variability is the norm,

    not the exception. For this reason, the Sun’s role in recent climate change should never have been

    as systematically undermined as it was by the IPCC’s reports. Hopefully, this systematic review

    of the many unresolved and ongoing challenges and complexities of Sun/climate relationships can

    help the scientific community return to a more comprehensive and realistic approach to

    understanding climate change.”

    László Szarka, from the ELKH Institute of Earth Physics and Space Science (Hungary) and

    also a member of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences:

    “This review is a crucial milestone on the way to restoring the scientific definition of ‘climate

    change’ that has become gradually distorted over the last three decades. The scientific community

    should finally realize that in science there is no authority or consensus; only the right to seek the

    truth.”

    For further information contact:

    • Dr. Ronan Connolly, Ireland (ronan@ceres-science.com)

    • Dr. Richard C. Willson, U.S.A. (rwillson@acrim.com)

    • Dr. Ana G. Elias, Argentina (aelias@herrera.unt.edu.ar)

    • Dr. Valery Fedorov, Russia (fedorov.msu@mail.ru)

    • Dr. Ole Humlum, Norway (ole.humlum@geo.uio.no)

    • Dr. László Szarka, Hungary (szarka@ggki.hu)

    • Dr. Willie Soon, U.S.A. (willie@ceres-science.com)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    A diverse panel of disgraced scientists and lunatics you mean?



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You've already lost the argument when you diss the contributors as opposed to the data & their analysis of same.

    You may now leave the big brother house!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Eh, You tried to introduce them with an argument from Authority by stating they were a 'diverse group of climate experts'

    I merely challenged their expertise and credibility

    You don't need to debunk every last murmer of Andrew Wakefield or his cultists

    Do you waste your time debunking Davide Icke's claims about lizard people?



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    David Ike = strawman,

    So, No, I don't waste time debunking his claims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ronan Connolly = Not a climate scientist who set up his own fake peer reviewed journal to self publish his daft ideas

    Willie Soon, = a disgraced scientist who was found taking more than a million dollars in funding from the oil industry for paid research and never declared any of these payments as potential conflict of interest


    So no, I won't waste time debunking his claims.



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