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Leinster Schools Rugby 2012-2013 [Provincial Schools Thread Link in Post 1]

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  • #202
    Quint2010
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    6dsp9 wrote: »
    Don't think any of those lads will make it straight out.Someone mentioned Dooley,Daly,Byrne and McFarland,I'd add Delahunt to that list. Id say Delahunt and Dooley will go into sub academy next year after the summer. Byrne is already in there and judging by how he gets on with Ireland 20s will progress.Moloney is a serious operator but don't think he has the height to make it as a 2nd row. Ross Byrne is another class player with a quality boot. Ste O'Neill is good but not that good if you follow I think. What about this Conor McKeon from Gonzaga? I watched their game against Terenure last year and he was the best player on the pitch. He controls the game excellently and most importlantly looks like he has the attitude and qualities to go very far,as well as being a fearless tackler to boot.

    Agreed about McKeon. Excellent player.


  • #203
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    6dsp9 wrote: »
    How much of an advantage did being big give Tony Buckley and Stewart Maguire? They both got shunned because a more technically proficient player came along. The older you get the less and less size is a factor. Obviously it's always handy to have someone who's naturally big because they might have potential but invariably they don't have the skills to match. Macken was bigger than many at schools and was a very powerful lad who used his size to his advantage,but now he's matured into a very intelligent skilful player with a great step and a fresh pair of hands,despite not being as big as others. I appreciate your opinion

    We’re talking about them going straight into the academy though. When they enter they will be training with the firsts and need to be physically developed enough to handle it. I’m not advocating picking the “gym monkeys” or freaks but if a player needs to bulk up considerably it should be done in the sub academy while leaving the more developed (though still technically proficient) to go straight in. I think this is how it is generally done anyway, and in a perfect world how it would always be done, but I think certain players have/will be given academy spots straight out of school in order to fend off the advances from other provinces/clubs.


  • #204
    ormond lad
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    We’re talking about them going straight into the academy though. When they enter they will be training with the firsts and need to be physically developed enough to handle it. I’m not advocating picking the “gym monkeys” or freaks but if a player needs to bulk up considerably it should be done in the sub academy while leaving the more developed (though still technically proficient) to go straight in. I think this is how it is generally done anyway, and in a perfect world how it would always be done, but I think certain players have/will be given academy spots straight out of school in order to fend off the advances from other provinces/clubs.
    Surely it should be the other way round and the better technically proficient player should make it. The bulk can be added in time so the technically better player should be added to the academy while the technically proficient player is left to develop outside the full academy system.


  • #205
    Quint2010
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Surely it should be the other way round and the better technically proficient player should make it. The bulk can be added in time so the technically better player should be added to the academy while the technically proficient player is left to develop outside the full academy system.

    Agreed. Dan Leavy went straight into The Academy despite only just turned 18 and still having a fair bit of developing to do. If you're talented enough you're old enough.


  • #206
    Foxtrol
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Surely it should be the other way round and the better technically proficient player should make it. The bulk can be added in time so the technically better player should be added to the academy while the technically proficient player is left to develop outside the full academy system.

    There’s adding a bit of bulk and then there’s adding “considerable bulk” as I stated in my comment. I clearly said that I am not advocating gym monkeys at the expense of more technically proficient players but as there is a finite number of players that can enter the full academy do you take the player straight out of school who is technically proficient but slight or the player who is technically proficient but has spent the year in the sub-academy, involved in the Irish under 20’s setup and physically more mature than the school leaver.

    There are some lads who just aren’t physically developed enough to go in and deal with tackling SOB/Healy on a daily basis and would gain far more from taking a year to bulk up and play AIL and Irish Under 20’s and come in ready for the rigours of the academy. I’m obviously not talking about the exceptional players amongst the school leavers but those on the margins.

    The policy used to select the academy is pretty much the same as what I’ve been saying so there must be something to it.


  • #207
    Foxtrol
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Agreed. Dan Leavy went straight into The Academy despite only just turned 18 and still having a fair bit of developing to do. If you're talented enough you're old enough.

    This has nothing to do with age. There are plenty of extremely talented players at all ages who's bodies are not physically capable of daily training with professional players. As I've said I have no problems with a much more talented guy being selected over a freak but when it's a marginal call on talent go with the more physically developed, give the other guy a year to develop and then he can come into the academy.


  • #208
    Quint2010
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    There’s adding a bit of bulk and then there’s adding “considerable bulk” as I stated in my comment. I clearly said that I am not advocating gym monkeys at the expense of more technically proficient players but as there is a finite number of players that can enter the full academy do you take the player straight out of school who is technically proficient but slight or the player who is technically proficient but has spent the year in the sub-academy, involved in the Irish under 20’s setup and physically more mature than the school leaver.

    There are some lads who just aren’t physically developed enough to go in and deal with tackling SOB/Healy on a daily basis and would gain far more from taking a year to bulk up and play AIL and Irish Under 20’s and come in ready for the rigours of the academy. I’m obviously not talking about the exceptional players amongst the school leavers but those on the margins.

    The policy used to select the academy is pretty much the same as what I’ve been saying so there must be something to it.

    Leavy, The Byrne twins and Thornbury-straight into the academy from school without playing AIL or for the U20's.


  • #209
    Foxtrol
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Leavy, The Byrne twins and Thornbury-straight into the academy from school without playing AIL or for the U20's.

    From the post you quoted.
    Me wrote:
    I’m obviously not talking about the exceptional players amongst the school leavers but those on the margins.


  • #210
    Quint2010
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with age. There are plenty of extremely talented players at all ages who's bodies are not physically capable of daily training with professional players.

    Yes-and there are some players whose talent outshines the fact that they arent as physically developed as they would be if they were a year or two older. Leavy played Irish Schools this year. Now he is in the academy. He is not an especially bulky guy for his age. The most important thing is that he has talent. And name me one player who is in the academy who isn't exceptional? That's what the academy is there for-to further develop players who have the most raw talent and because they play a position that Leinster feel they may need reinforcing in the future. They are not picked because they are the most physically developed. In that case-why isn't Peter Robb in the academy?


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  • #211
    Tox56
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    All the players who went straight into the academy from school this year are all pretty big for their age.


  • #212
    Foxtrol
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Yes-and there are some players whose talent outshines the fact that they arent as physically developed as they would be if they were a year or two older. Leavy played Irish Schools this year. Now he is in the academy. He is not an especially bulky guy for his age. The most important thing is that he has talent. And Name me one player who is in the academy who isn't exceptional?

    I think you are getting confused between being exceptional in general (which I would say they all are) and exceptional in a given year (ie the very top of a school leaving group – the way I meant it). To be honest you seem of the opinion that going straight in from school is the be all and end all which is disservice to those who are in the academy but didn’t go straight in.


  • #213
    Quint2010
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    I think you are getting confused between being exceptional in general (which I would say they all are) and exceptional in a given year (ie the very top of a school leaving group – the way I meant it). To be honest you seem of the opinion that going straight in from school is the be all and end all which is disservice to those who are in the academy but didn’t go straight in.[/QUOTE

    No not saying that at all. I am saying is that just because you aren't massively physically developed, haven't played in the AIL or Irish U20 team, doesn't mean you can't go straight into the academy straight from school. My view is that the younger they get guys in the better. Physical development or lack thereof should not be an impediment.


  • #214
    6dsp9
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Surely it should be the other way round and the better technically proficient player should make it. The bulk can be added in time so the technically better player should be added to the academy while the technically proficient player is left to develop outside the full academy system.
    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Yes-and there are some players whose talent outshines the fact that they arent as physically developed as they would be if they were a year or two older. Leavy played Irish Schools this year. Now he is in the academy. He is not an especially bulky guy for his age. The most important thing is that he has talent. And name me one player who is in the academy who isn't exceptional? That's what the academy is there for-to further develop players who have the most raw talent and because they play a position that Leinster feel they may need reinforcing in the future. They are not picked because they are the most physically developed. In that case-why isn't Peter Robb in the academy?


    I agree with you both entirely you have right idea towards development of young players in the country


  • #215
    Hagz
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    Haha, jeez. Once again, when I said physically developed, I did not mean gym wise. I meant naturally/genetically. In the same way that North/Ferris/SBW/Pocock are big specimens. Sure the gym takes some credit for their size, but a lot of it is down to them just being genetically big guys. I do not advocate picking big guys over talented guys either though.


  • #216
    Wexfordboy89
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    just wondering who are the ones to watch player wise.who could be the next big thing in irish rugby(dont know much about schools rugby)


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  • #217
    Foxtrol
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    No not saying that at all. I am saying is that just because you aren't massively physically developed, haven't played in the AIL or Irish U20 team, doesn't mean you can't go straight into the academy straight from school. My view is that the younger they get guys in the better. Physical development or lack thereof should not be an impediment.

    Ok, I'm not quite sure if you are not reading my posts properly or are just arguing for the sake of it. I have never said that a player needs to be massively physically developed, played in the AIL or the Irish U20s to get into the academy or that they can't go straight in straight from school.

    Given the finite number of spaces to get into the academy on a marginally call who would you select out of two players who are the same age, at comparable skill levels but one is straight out of school and the other has been in the sub-academy for a year, played regular AIL and is more physically developed?


  • #218
    Quint2010
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    Foxtrol wrote: »

    Given the finite number of spaces to get into the academy on a marginally call who would you select out of two players who are the same age, at comparable skill levels but one is straight out of school and the other has been in the sub-academy for a year, played regular AIL and is more physically developed?

    Yes of course if they have have comparable skill level.


  • #219
    Foxtrol
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Yes of course if they have have comparable skill level.

    Well we're in agreement then.

    I think some posters are dying to have an argument with someone who thinks bigger is more important than being skilful but unfortunately no one here has actually made that statement.


  • #220
    Fight_Night
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    Wexfordboy89 wrote: »
    just wondering who are the ones to watch player wise.who could be the next big thing in irish rugby(dont know much about schools rugby)

    From Michaels in terms of 6th years it's Kelleher(not sure what position he'll play, played wing last year), Ross Byrne(outhalf), McCarthy(scrumhalf), Murphy(backrow), Moloney(2nd row). Ross Byrne probably the most likely to make it in the future. Potential for all of them though.

    Terenure I'm sure Quint can fill you in on them, don't know much but Brewer, Dardis and O Neil are the top players I think.


  • #221
    6dsp9
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    Jacob Walshe has just joined Roscrea this year for 6th year and has already played Connacht A,loosehead. As well as him they have Sean O'Brien 2ndrow/back row,captained Connacht 20s this year.


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  • #222
    Oldboy 92
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    6dsp9 wrote: »
    Jacob Walshe has just joined Roscrea this year for 6th year and has already played Connacht A,loosehead. As well as him they have Sean O'Brien 2ndrow/back row,captained Connacht 20s this year.

    Does that mean he is ineligible to play schools cup, I assume 20s is deemed adult rugby and Connacht A definitely is! Can anyone throw some light on this, has it happened before?


  • #223
    gfitz95
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    Michaels play clongowes on saturday,in clongowes though,do clongowes have any exceptional players this year?or have they hit a dry spell at last?


  • #224
    its_phil
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    Oldboy 92 wrote: »

    Does that mean he is ineligible to play schools cup, I assume 20s is deemed adult rugby and Connacht A definitely is! Can anyone throw some light on this, has it happened before?

    But 20's is underage rugby??

    Robbie Henshaw played Connacht 20s last year and played for Marist so that is not a problem.


  • #225
    Quint2010
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    gfitz95 wrote: »
    Michaels play clongowes on saturday,in clongowes though,do clongowes have any exceptional players this year?or have they hit a dry spell at last?

    Never write off Clongowes. They may not have the stellar names of the past 3 seasons but they are always exceptionally well trained and never let their school down when it comes to cup time.


  • #226
    ormond lad
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    Oldboy 92 wrote: »
    Does that mean he is ineligible to play schools cup, I assume 20s is deemed adult rugby and Connacht A definitely is! Can anyone throw some light on this, has it happened before?
    Dont think he is inelgible to play schools cup as i dont see how he has been ruled out.
    its_phil wrote: »
    But 20's is underage rugby??

    Robbie Henshaw played Connacht 20s last year and played for Marist so that is not a problem.
    20s is age grade rugby
    Im fairly sure u18s/19s have to get permission from their provincial branch to play 20s
    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Never write off Clongowes. They may not have the stellar names of the past 3 seasons but they are always exceptionally well trained and never let their school down when it comes to cup time.
    I wouldnt write them off either.
    I know this goes without saying but all the schools are exceptionally well trained and never let their school down.


  • #227
    Oldboy 92
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    its_phil wrote: »
    But 20's is underage rugby??

    Robbie Henshaw played Connacht 20s last year and played for Marist so that is not a problem.
    Age grade is u19 down as far as I know so it may vary from province to province, but if that player played an A game for Connacht it was an adult fixture.


  • #228
    ormond lad
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    Oldboy 92 wrote: »
    Age grade is u19 down as far as I know so it may vary from province to province, but if that player played an A game for Connacht it was an adult fixture.
    20s is age grade rugby and 21s is age grade but they do not come under the categories of youths/schools rugby

    The draws for the Leinster Schools Duff and McMullen Cup competitions took place in the Leinster Rugby office in UCD on Thursday afternoon...
    http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/newsroom/10504.php

    Duff and McMullen Cups are the cups for the section A schools


  • #229
    Leinster5
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Terenure have Schmidt, Brewer, Dardis, Madigan (all Leinster u18 players-Madigan from 2011) O'Neill and Clarkin(injured last year-both Leinster U19 players) plus Tom O'Brien and Conor Weakliam all back from last year. I haven't seen 'Michaels backline but would have to be a very good one to come anywhere near Terenure's one. By the sounds of things 'Michaels have a very strong pack and this is where Terenure may struggle if they face them in the cup.

    Well surely Byrne for Michaels is the best 10 in the competition, was a class act last year for Michaels. Along with McCarthy and Leavy. They also have Kelleher who is almost a certainty for Academy next year. Terenure do have a very impressive back-line, but from what I've been told, Michaels are just as strong in the back-line and are supposedly much stronger in the pack.


  • #230
    6dsp9
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    Leinster5 wrote: »
    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Terenure have Schmidt, Brewer, Dardis, Madigan (all Leinster u18 players-Madigan from 2011) O'Neill and Clarkin(injured last year-both Leinster U19 players) plus Tom O'Brien and Conor Weakliam all back from last year. I haven't seen 'Michaels backline but would have to be a very good one to come anywhere near Terenure's one. By the sounds of things 'Michaels have a very strong pack and this is where Terenure may struggle if they face them in the cup.

    Well surely Byrne for Michaels is the best 10 in the competition, was a class act last year for Michaels. Along with McCarthy and Leavy. They also have Kelleher who is almost a certainty for Academy next year. Terenure do have a very impressive back-line, but from what I've been told, Michaels are just as strong in the back-line and are supposedly much stronger in the pack.


    I wouldn't be too quick to say that Byrne is the best 10 going,I'd an eye each on him and McKeon from Gonzaga


  • #231
    Quint2010
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    Leinster5 wrote: »
    Well surely Byrne for Michaels is the best 10 in the competition, was a class act last year for Michaels. Along with McCarthy and Leavy. They also have Kelleher who is almost a certainty for Academy next year. Terenure do have a very impressive back-line, but from what I've been told, Michaels are just as strong in the back-line and are supposedly much stronger in the pack.

    OK 'Michaels have a much better pack and a better backline then Terenure. I just hope 'Michaels have the same mindset as when they played Terenure in the 2010 Junior Cup Final.


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  • #232
    6dsp9
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    OK 'Michaels have a much better pack and a better backline then Terenure. I just hope 'Michaels have the same mindset as when they played Terenure in the 2010 Junior Cup Final.

    snap


  • #233
    gfitz95
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    Well surely Byrne for Michaels is the best 10 in the competition, was a class act last year for Michaels. Along with McCarthy and Leavy. They also have Kelleher who is almost a certainty for Academy next year. Terenure do have a very impressive back-line, but from what I've been told, Michaels are just as strong in the back-line and are supposedly much stronger in the pack.[/QUOTE]

    Leavy is actually a player who has gone under the radar but is an exceptional talent,plays in the outside backs,brings the same aggression levels as his brother aswell,not quite as big as Dan but no squirt either


  • #234
    6dsp9
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    gfitz95 wrote: »
    Well surely Byrne for Michaels is the best 10 in the competition, was a class act last year for Michaels. Along with McCarthy and Leavy. They also have Kelleher who is almost a certainty for Academy next year. Terenure do have a very impressive back-line, but from what I've been told, Michaels are just as strong in the back-line and are supposedly much stronger in the pack.

    Leavy is actually a player who has gone under the radar but is an exceptional talent,plays in the outside backs,brings the same aggression levels as his brother aswell,not quite as big as Dan but no squirt either[/QUOTE]


    he was injured for the interpros I'm pretty sure,other than that Id say he would've started? Yeah he's a unit all right


  • #235
    gfitz95
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    he was injured for the interpros I'm pretty sure,other than that Id say he would've started? Yeah he's a unit all right[/QUOTE]

    not sure of his Leinster involvement but he started for Michaels on the wing last year for the first 3 rounds of the cup


  • #236
    Leinster5
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    OK 'Michaels have a much better pack and a better backline then Terenure. I just hope 'Michaels have the same mindset as when they played Terenure in the 2010 Junior Cup Final.
    I can't believe people still think Junior Cup rugby gives a good indication of Senior level. It's a bunch of 14/15 year old's running around. It's a completely different standard at Senior level, you get ex-pro's coaching most of the 'big' schools. I'm not an expert on this years competition, but I know enough to know that Junior Cup results mean very little 3 years later.


  • #237
    Quint2010
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    Leinster5 wrote: »
    I can't believe people still think Junior Cup rugby gives a good indication of Senior level. It's a bunch of 14/15 year old's running around. It's a completely different standard at Senior level, you get ex-pro's coaching most of the 'big' schools. I'm not an expert on this years competition, but I know enough to know that Junior Cup results mean very little 3 years later.

    Well I think it was hugely relevant to last years final the fact that 'Michaels had beaten Clongowes in the Junior Cup in 2009.


  • #238
    TheKeenMachine
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Well I think it was hugely relevant to last years final the fact that 'Michaels had beaten Clongowes in the Junior Cup in 2009.

    Really? I thought Michaels lost four finals on the bounce.


  • #239
    Oldboy 92
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Well I think it was hugely relevant to last years final the fact that 'Michaels had beaten Clongowes in the Junior Cup in 2009.
    And Clongowes won JCT in 2008 and SCT in 2011. Terenure won JCT 2009 and only beaten by 1 pt in SF last year!!! No devine right to win JCT and then SCT 3 years later but it is reasonable to say they will be contenders when SCT. The change of eligibility for 4th years will undoubtably make JCT in bigger schools stronger, but 3 years later the prsummed better players will have left school.


  • #240
    Hagz
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    I remember my year won the JCT and when the SCT rolled around the team looked completely different. But it might be different in schools with a smaller year group.


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  • #241
    Quint2010
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    TheKeenMachine wrote: »
    Really? I thought Michaels lost four finals on the bounce.

    They beat Clongowes in the quarter finals but then lost to Terenure in the final 5-3. But the fact they had beaten Clongowes in 2009 gave them a mental edge in the final last year IMO


  • #242
    TheKeenMachine
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    They beat Clongowes in the quarter finals but then lost to Terenure in the final 5-3. But the fact they had beaten Clongowes in 2009 gave them a mental edge in the final last year IMO

    Oh yeah apologies, I read your post wrong. I definitely agree though, Junior Cup has a bearing on the Senior Cup, it isn't just a bunch of 14 and 15 year olds running around to quote Leinster5, the nucleus of the two teams is the same and at the moment it's psychological advantage Terenure.


  • #243
    fox_1973
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    Terenure 10 castleknock 10


  • #244
    rugbyman2015
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    fox_1973 wrote: »
    Terenure 10 castleknock 10

    That a surprise? Was it Terenure's full team?


  • #245
    fox_1973
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    rugbyman2015 wrote: »

    That a surprise? Was it Terenure's full team?
    It was a horrible scrappy game to watch. Scoreline didn't really reflect the game as terenure were the better team, was the full team barring stephan o neill, on a brighter note, the seconds won 68 0


  • #246
    RugbyMan10
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    Terenure score a try in the corner in the last play to get a draw.
    10-10


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  • #247
    Leinster5
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    Clongowes drew with Michaels today. Think it finished 24-24. Got to watch most of the game with a few past pupils. Clongowes look like they've a solid backline this year, but the pack is awful compared to last years. Michaels dominated the game for most of the game, especially at set-piece, and really should of won the game if it wasn't for some silly mistakes in the last 5 minutes. Great game though! Doubt my former school will be winning it this year sadly unless they improve hugely.


  • #248
    slackers88
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    Loads of people here are saying michaels have a very strong pack. I thought the nucleus of heir pack last year were 6th years, so what stand out players do they have in the pack this year?


  • #249
    funtime93
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    slackers88 wrote: »
    Loads of people here are saying michaels have a very strong pack. I thought the nucleus of heir pack last year were 6th years, so what stand out players do they have in the pack this year?

    Ross Moloney,Josh Murphy,Alex Penny,James Ryan,Steve Harold,Denis Coulson,Conor Duffy will most likely make up the bulk of their forwards. Moloney and Murphy started the final last year and most of the others were on the bench i think


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    slackers88
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    funtime93 wrote: »
    Ross Moloney,Josh Murphy,Alex Penny,James Ryan,Steve Harold,Denis Coulson,Conor Duffy will most likely make up the bulk of their forwards. Moloney and Murphy started the final last year and most of the others were on the bench i think

    Thanks iv heard of Moloney, thought he was 6th year last year


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    redsoxallday
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭redsoxallday


    funtime93 wrote: »

    Ross Moloney,Josh Murphy,Alex Penny,James Ryan,Steve Harold,Denis Coulson,Conor Duffy will most likely make up the bulk of their forwards. Moloney and Murphy started the final last year and most of the others were on the bench i think


    I was at the game, they looked pretty good but should have closed it out. Worrying that they couldn't. Also I thought team selection looked very odd. Kelleher was a sub, Steve Harold was watching wearing jeans, James Ryan who I'm told is 4th year was recording the games & Denis Coulson & Adam Leavy were actually watching the game sitting on chairs. Conor Duffy wasn't playing or to be seen anywhere. Just seemed very odd not to pick some of their best players, including Ireland players. Clongowes were steely and showed great character to come back. Fromm will be a handful for all. New outhalf was just ok.


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