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  • #1262
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    I am not even sure who that guy is but he is a fcuking asshole, trying to gain personal attention and notoriety at the expense of dozens of innocent murder victims. That guy really needs to be dropped by whoever he works for and never hired again.


  • #1263
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Another murderous health professional?

    /shudders

    I get the impression that the Norwegians are not prone to knee jerk reactions and changing laws to suit one crime. They seem to take justice and fairness seriously and have a mature understanding of the complexities of both. While I understand the frustration and the sense that the punishment does not fit the crime I support that measured approach.

    Of course, it's easy for me to say this as I haven't been trapped on an island with a pathetic sack of **** with delusions of intellgence and a gun

    Can he be sane?


    There was a Norwegian professor interviewed on BBC News today who said he doubted the bastard would serve much more than the 21 years.
    He simply stated that if he is judged not to be a danger to society in 20/30 years time then he will be released - that things never are much the same in 20 or 30 years time..


  • #1264
    Moomoo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Moomoo1


    philologos wrote: »
    Ugh. Do you really think that if there is a "revolution" on the left where violence can be used if necessary and if people oppose that that people wouldn't exercise violence against the opponents, or indeed that nobody would justify it?

    but the above point would be equally true for a right-wing revolution. But with all else equal I'd prefer high-ranking politicians and rich people to go up against the wall than non-white people.
    philologos wrote: »
    It's about as bad as any other form of terrorism. Indeed, there are more cases of left-wing terrorism in Europe in a given year than far-right terrorism according to Europol figures.

    really? I don't recall anything major since RAF.


  • #1265
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Morlar wrote: »
    I am not even sure who that guy is but he is a fcuking asshole, trying to gain personal attention and notoriety at the expense of dozens of innocent murder victims. That guy really needs to be dropped by whoever he works for and never hired again.
    Would not surprise me if he's one of these Americans with an aresnal of wepons around his house ...the fcukwit .


  • #1266
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    gambiaman wrote: »
    There was a Norwegian professor interviewed on BBC News today who said he doubted the bastard would serve much more than the 21 years.
    He simply stated that if he is judged not to be a danger to society in 20/30 years time then he will be released - that things never are much the same in 20 or 30 years time..
    Either way , there will be one or two angry people might want a word with him .His life wont be worth jack **** .Of course he might also top himself or be topped in jail .


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  • #1267
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    but the above point would be equally true for a right-wing revolution. But with all else equal I'd prefer high-ranking politicians and rich people to go up against the wall than non-white people.

    Who says that it will only be rich / politicians going up against the wall? As for non-white people, in Brevik's case it happened irrespective of race, most of his document is against multiculturalism, it is actually anti-Nazism including racism, pro-LGBT and pro-Israeli. A lot of his views are very surprising when one looks at them in his manifesto.
    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    really? I don't recall anything major since RAF.

    Take a read of this link.


  • #1268
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,560 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    but the above point would be equally true for a right-wing revolution. But with all else equal I'd prefer high-ranking politicians and rich people to go up against the wall than non-white people.

    Equal opportunity mass murder :D


  • #1269
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    gambiaman wrote: »
    There was a Norwegian professor interviewed on BBC News today who said he doubted the bastard would serve much more than the 21 years.
    He simply stated that if he is judged not to be a danger to society in 20/30 years time then he will be released - that things never are much the same in 20 or 30 years time..

    If he is released in 21 years time will he survive?

    He would be safer behind bars for the rest of his life.


  • #1270
    Blueboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Blueboyd


    Now that speculation has gone to if it is more right to kill leftist than right wingers it may be a good time to post a quote from someone who was on that island.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvR2GaL0zQ


  • #1271
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Latchy wrote: »
    Either way , there will be one or two angry people might want a word with him .His life wont be worth jack **** .Of course he might also top himself or be topped in jail .
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    If he is released in 21 years time will he survive?

    He would be safer behind bars for the rest of his life.


    I agree.
    Maybe a tad too tolerant is Norway.

    On another note, just saw Ger Colleran editor Irish Daily Star read out his own headline on VB tonight and the byline labels Bervik as a Nazi...ya couldn't make it up!


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  • #1272
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Norway's justice system is Norway's business.

    And to be honest, given their crime rate and living standards, they must be doing something right.


  • #1273
    Moomoo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Moomoo1


    philologos wrote: »
    Who says that it will only be rich / politicians going up against the wall? As for non-white people, in Brevik's case it happened irrespective of race, most of his document is against multiculturalism, it is actually anti-Nazism including racism, pro-LGBT and pro-Israeli. A lot of his views are very surprising when one looks at them in his manifesto.
    I've read his manifesto, thanks. The anti-Muslim angle is kinda hard to miss. Yeah, he's pro-Israel, ok. But his criteria for Muslims to be able to stay in his future Europe are such that it will be totally islam-free.

    no, I am not saying it will be just the rich up against the wall... only that I prefer a revolt that targets the rich to one that targets coloured people. Yes, innocent bystanders and pacifists will get it too, which is why I am against revolutions and violence, but I was comparing two particular scenarios.


    philologos wrote: »
    Take a read of this link.

    they make no mention of what is counted as 'terrorism'.


  • #1274
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Norway's justice system is Norway's business.

    And to be honest, given their crime rate and living standards, they must be doing something right.

    Yeah, I cannot but stare in bewilderment at the U.S media telling Norway how they should run things. Sort your own f**king mess out first.:D


  • #1275
    Moomoo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Moomoo1


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    If he is released in 21 years time will he survive?

    looking at messageboards throughout the internet, he seems to have an awful lot of supporters. Or at least people who agree with his viewpoint but disagree with what he did.


  • #1276
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    What Glenn beck said was very dodgy.


  • #1277
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    looking at messageboards throughout the internet, he seems to have an awful lot of supporters. Or at least people who agree with his viewpoint but disagree with what he did.

    Golden Rule : Don't go looking on the internet for an insight or understanding into humanity. You will probably lose your own sanity.


  • #1278
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    What Glenn beck said was very dodgy.

    Everything Glen Beck says is dodgy.


  • #1279
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    looking at messageboards throughout the internet, he seems to have an awful lot of supporters. Or at least people who agree with his viewpoint but disagree with what he did.
    Those message boards are unhealthy places at the best of times ,you get all sorts hanging around in them :pac:


  • #1280
    AhSureTisGrand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭AhSureTisGrand


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    yeah. Difference is, in a left-wing revolution the violence would be against the people at the top - who let's face it probably deserve it. In a right-wing revolution the violence would be against people who are not responsible for the state this country is in.

    "Right-wing" means a great many different things to many different people, yet you seem to be assuming that "right-wing" means racist and evil


  • #1281
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Has anyone else noticed that since it emerged that the killings where by a single Norwegian 'christian', the media have stopped calling the events terrorist attacks? They called them horrific,terrible,murders but not terrorist. Why?

    Norwegians wake up in the morning, there is great grief, but not much likelihood of a subsequent attack. The man does not seem to have been a member of a group who will carry on the cause if the intended goals are not met, he seems to have had no particular issue with trying to continue the campaign himself. Terrorism is hard to define, but should include the attainment of goals through fear caused by the threat of unlawful violence in the future. What further threat of violence does Mr Breivik pose, given he seems to have acted alone and surrendered himself?

    NTM


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  • #1282
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Blueboyd wrote: »
    Maybe you are right but I would not underestimate how cookoo "overuse" of anabolics can make you.
    I haven't seen anything about steroid abuse?
    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    They had the leader of the English Defense League on. They're really pushing this ''far right activist'' thing. White guy killing white people + far right does not compute.
    Yes, it does.

    He sees certain groups / political parties within Norway and Europe as national traitors in that he sees them as collaborating with the "islamic invasion" by allowing immigration and promoting tolerance and "multiculturalism".

    And "collaborators" have always been among the most hated of targets during a war, which is what he sees this as (or at least wants us to believe he sees this as).

    This guy has his own slightly weird version of far right extremism, but far right extremism is exactly what it is.
    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    looking at messageboards throughout the internet, he seems to have an awful lot of supporters. Or at least people who agree with his viewpoint but disagree with what he did.
    If one good thing comes out of this, it might be that people wake up and realise that this particular brand of extremism is pretty strong around Europe at the moment.

    Hell, even reading here on AH in the last month, there's a fair few threads / posts I suspect Breivik would have commended. In fairness, that's not to imply that those posters would support his actions, but to my mind it reminds us of how wary we should be of extremism of *all* forms and creeds, and of the hatespeak which fuels it.


  • #1283
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    yeah. Difference is, in a left-wing revolution the violence would be against the people at the top - who let's face it probably deserve it. In a right-wing revolution the violence would be against people who are not responsible for the state this country is in.

    LMFAO!! Are you serious? Left wing revolutions only target the people on top? What about the Communist revolution in Russia, and the millions of middle and lower class lives as a result? Or Mao's Cultural Revolution and Great leap Forward where all classes of society became victims of his fanatical, and doomed, desire to build the perfect state? If you think than left wing revolutions target only those at the top, the "more guilty" as you might term them, then you obviously no nothing about the history of revolutions, and even less about the history of left wing revolutions.
    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    he killed innocent kids, not politicians who knew what they were doing

    Ummm, this is disturbing. Politicians are innocent too, unless guilty of a crime.
    in any case, I believe in peaceful change whenever possible. I was just making a comparison between a violent left-wing revolution and a right-wing one: as horrible it is to kill even thoroughly guilty people, it is not nearly a bad as killing innocent ones.

    What the hell do you mean by guilty people? Are they guilty because they made choices that you don't agree with? If so, you're threading the same path as our Norwegian attacker!
    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    They had the leader of the English Defense League on. They're really pushing this ''far right activist'' thing. White guy killing white people + far right does not compute.

    Well yes, it does compute actually, because of his links with the European far right, his professed admiration of right wing bloggers and activists, and his extremely ring wing manifesto. I don;t think there's any doubt but that this man was right wing. That's a statement of fact, not an attempt to brand the right with a particular brush.


  • #1284
    ch750536
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    Einhard wrote: »
    Well yes, it does compute actually, because of his links with the European far right, his professed admiration of right wing bloggers and activists, and his extremely ring wing manifesto. I don;t think there's any doubt but that this man was right wing. That's a statement of fact, not an attempt to brand the right with a particular brush.

    Missing the most obvious point that he was shooting liberals.


  • #1285
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    randylonghorn wrote: »
    Yes, it does.

    He sees certain groups / political parties within Norway and Europe as national traitors in that he sees them as collaborating with the "islamic invasion" by allowing immigration and promoting tolerance and "multiculturalism".

    And "collaborators" have always been among the most hated of targets during a war, which is what he sees this as (or at least wants us to believe he sees this as).

    This guy has his own slightly weird version of far right extremism, but far right extremism is exactly what it is.

    If one good thing comes out of this, it might be that people wake up and realise that this particular brand of extremism is pretty strong around Europe at the moment.

    Plenty of far right activity in Europe since the dawn of time. Doesn't begin to explain what he did. He discribed himself as a knight templar, a crusader and was a member of the freemasons.

    Evil is drove him to do what he did. His story more resembles the madness Herod had or the evil the crudaders did to get to the temple mount


  • #1286
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    gambiaman wrote: »
    I agree.
    Maybe a tad too tolerant is Norway.

    No. They see people as human and if they think its ok I am 100% sure that it will be ok.

    You won't have the same reaction like you did in the US with a clamp down on security. The king and Queen didn't even have security around them when they met the people. This shows openness and a lack of fear that the rest of the world could learn from.

    They have a tolerant, civil liberty society and I hope that continues. This horror of a man I'm sure will be dealt with in the correct manner by the Norwegians.


  • #1287
    My_left_leg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭My_left_leg


    This guy is not deranged. He is highly calculating, intelligent, determined, but not deranged. His actions deserve outright condemnation.

    However the policies pursued by Governments also deserve scrutiny and condemnation. Mass immigration unchecked is a recipe for disaster. I hope all Govts across Europe take note. To this end perhaps it will be a wake up call, and some good may come from it.

    Allowing the entry of 1,000s of Slavs into this country has been a huge mistake. Many of these people are now unemployed which is unfortunate. Many are involved in criminal activity, as their over representation in our prison system proves.

    As such they are costing the taxpayer enormous sums of much-needed funds. Funds which ought to be going to Irish people in need.

    I know these comments may upset the liberal PC Euro-weeny types, but the truth often is unpalatable.:eek:


  • #1288
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Glenn Beck at it again -
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/26/glenn-beck-norwegian-dead-hitler
    "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like the Hitler youth, or, whatever. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics. Disturbing,"

    However, his latest comments about the "disturbing" nature of political youth camps may come as a surprise to Beck's followers in the Tea Party movement.

    The anti-tax, anti-immigration movement has been holding summer camps in states including Florida and Missouri where children have been taught a curriculum based on God, the US constitution and "the defence of economic liberty".

    Twat.


  • #1289
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    My_left_leg wrote: »
    This guy is not deranged. He is highly calculating, intelligent, determined, but not deranged. His actions deserve outright condemnation.

    However the policies pursued by Governments also deserve scrutiny and condemnation. Mass immigration unchecked is a recipe for disaster. I hope all Govts across Europe take note. To this end perhaps it will be a wake up call, and some good may come from it.

    Allowing the entry of 1,000s of Slavs into this country has been a huge mistake. Many of these people are now unemployed which is unfortunate. Many are involved in criminal activity, as their over representation in our prison system proves.

    As such they are costing the taxpayer enormous sums of much-needed funds. Funds which ought to be going to Irish people in need.

    I know these comments may upset the liberal PC Euro-weeny types, but the truth often is unpalatable.:eek:

    Here man...


    Take it else where. Given that Norway are not in the EU and this awful man shot who he thought were "liberal PC weeny types" who myself would be included. Just leave it out.


  • #1290
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    mike65 wrote: »
    Glenn Beck at it again -
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/26/glenn-beck-norwegian-dead-hitler



    Twat.

    http://www.operatorchan.org/n/arch/src/n129753_I_dont_want_to_live_on_this_planet_anymore.jpg


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  • #1291
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    My_left_leg wrote: »
    Euro-weeny types

    Wtf is a Euro-weeny?


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