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  • #1232
    Blueboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Blueboyd


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    he killed innocent kids, not politicians who knew what they were doing

    in any case, I believe in peaceful change whenever possible. I was just making a comparison between a violent left-wing revolution and a right-wing one: as horrible it is to kill even thoroughly guilty people, it is not nearly a bad as killing innocent ones.


    So you want to be the judge and the jury and the executor.


  • #1233
    shadowninty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    I wouldn't do it to them if it were in my power, no, but I wouldn't shed too many tears if they were.
    So you think the people that saved countless lives in Afghanistan from the Taliban deserve to be killed. FFS. The Northern Alliance had been pleeing for help for years. If you think the ruling parties of NATOs members deserve death for helping the NA with air support and then subsequently deploying ground forces you dont understand the situation there.


  • #1234
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    This Anders guy said wanted to save Norway and Europe from take over by the Muslim culture so he goes and murders Norweigians .

    Then looking to get an even bigger spotlight asks the police today '' Can I wear a black unifrom in court '' ? with little or no notion of the unbelievable pain and suffering he has caused .He has strong sociopath tendencies and beyond any feelings or real awareness of what he's done .


  • #1235
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    sock puppet wrote: »
    FFS. A man has just killed dozens of people because he thought they deserved to die. You've just made the same distinction he did. Unbelievable.

    It's not the same thing at all, executing a man who has taken the lives of innocent teenagers is not the same as killing those teenagers. It's the same difference between kidnapping a child and jailing a rapist.


  • #1236
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    BBC news coverage has gone beyond bizare. Newsnight has clearly lost the plot.


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  • #1237
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    BBC news coverage has gone beyond bizare. Newsnight has clearly lost the plot.


    Whats the story?


  • #1238
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    he killed innocent kids, not politicians who knew what they were doing

    in any case, I believe in peaceful change whenever possible. I was just making a comparison between a violent left-wing revolution and a right-wing one: as horrible it is to kill even thoroughly guilty people, it is not nearly a bad as killing innocent ones.

    I know what you're getting at but the problem is that if someone is the would be killer they'd be the one who decides who's guilty or not.


  • #1239
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    They had the leader of the English Defense League on. They're really pushing this ''far right activist'' thing. White guy killing white people + far right does not compute.

    Clearly there's no chance of inviting the English supreme lodge leader or whatever. The Norwegean freemasons have issued a statement earlier today BTW.


  • #1240
    opinion guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    gambiaman wrote: »
    Whats the story?

    Well this is off topic but have you noticed whats not the story anymore ??
    Neither sky nor bbc have mentioned the phone hackign scandal for days. understandable that Norway takes precedence, but the promotion of the Amy Winehouse story over the hacking scandal is not really understandable


  • #1241
    Keen2win
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Keen2win


    Is there any videos out there of that video he posted on youtube?


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  • #1242
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Keen2win wrote: »
    Is there any videos out there of that video he posted on youtube?

    Here


  • #1243
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    opinion guy wrote: »
    Well this is off topic but have you noticed whats not the story anymore ??
    Neither sky nor bbc have mentioned the phone hackign scandal for days. understandable that Norway thats precedence, but the promotion of the Amy Winehouse story over the hacking scandal is not really understandable

    Amy Winehouse over hacking and famine in Somalia.


  • #1244
    opinion guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Amy Winehouse over hacking and famine in Somalia.

    And the rail crash in China


  • #1245
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    The death of Amy Winehouse is tragic and the phone hacking scandal will surface again and be around a lot longer but the Oslo massacre is still on most peoples minds ,at least around Europe and rightly so .


  • #1246
    Corsendonk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    If they cant prove he is insane the max time he will serve in Norweigan prison is 21 years for 70 odd murders, so he will be out when he is 53. The last serial killer in Norway served 21 years for 23 patients they killed while a nurse. And we think Irish Lawis bad!


  • #1247
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    If they cant prove he is insane the max time he will serve in Norweigan prison is 21 years for 70 odd murders, so he will be out when he is 53. The last serial killer in Norway served 21 years for 23 patients they killed while a nurse. And we think Irish Lawis bad!

    I think they can extend that for acts of terrorism or something similar, not 100% sure on that.


  • #1248
    Blueboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Blueboyd


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    If they cant prove he is insane the max time he will serve in Norweigan prison is 21 years for 70 odd murders, so he will be out when he is 53. The last serial killer in Norway served 21 years for 23 patients they killed while a nurse. And we think Irish Lawis bad!

    Life imprisonment in Norway

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    By law it is possible to receive life imprisonment in Norway, but there are no examples of such after the latest correctional law passed in 2002. There are basically two types of maximum penalty laws:
    • The maximum determinate penalty is 21 years imprisonment, but only a small percentage of prisoners serve more than 14 years. Prisoners will typically get unsupervised parole for weekends etc. after serving ⅓ of their sentence (a maximum of 7 years) and can receive early release after serving ⅔ of their sentence (a maximum of 14 years).
    • The maximum indeterminate penalty, called "containment" (Norwegian: forvaring), is also set at 21 years imprisonment, and the prisoner is required to serve at least 10 years before becoming eligible for parole. "Containment" is used when the prisoner is deemed a danger to society and there is a great chance of committing violent crimes in the future. If the prisoner is still considered dangerous after serving the original sentence, the prisoner can receive up to five years additional containment. If the additional time is served, and the offender is still considered dangerous, a prisoner can continue to receive up to five years additional containment, and this, in theory, could result in actual life imprisonment.[1] However, the offender can be paroled or released at any time if it is determined that the offender is no longer a danger to society.


  • #1249
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,560 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    If they cant prove he is insane the max time he will serve in Norweigan prison is 21 years for 70 odd murders, so he will be out when he is 53. The last serial killer in Norway served 21 years for 23 patients they killed while a nurse. And we think Irish Lawis bad!

    I think people have posted links showing if he is charged a particular way then he will constantly have years added to his sentence if they keep judging him a danger to society.

    EDIT: Previous poster


  • #1250
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Corsendonk wrote: »
    If they cant prove he is insane the max time he will serve in Norweigan prison is 21 years for 70 odd murders, so he will be out when he is 53. The last serial killer in Norway served 21 years for 23 patients they killed while a nurse. And we think Irish Lawis bad!

    Another murderous health professional?

    /shudders

    I get the impression that the Norwegians are not prone to knee jerk reactions and changing laws to suit one crime. They seem to take justice and fairness seriously and have a mature understanding of the complexities of both. While I understand the frustration and the sense that the punishment does not fit the crime I support that measured approach.

    Of course, it's easy for me to say this as I haven't been trapped on an island with a pathetic sack of **** with delusions of intellgence and a gun

    Can he be sane?


  • #1251
    Blueboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Blueboyd


    Sardonicat wrote: »

    Can he be sane?

    Can anyone who kills another human being be sane?


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  • #1252
    Corsendonk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Another murderous health professional?

    /shudders

    ?

    Never fall ill in the greater Manchester area seems to be the rule.


  • #1253
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Blueboyd wrote: »
    Can anyone who kills another human being be sane?

    Yes, I believe so. Chillingly sane. Not convinced this impotent piece of nothing is, though.


  • #1254
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    One could pore through his manifesto for hours there is that much in there. Particularly if one looks to the end it describes what his intentions were for the "martyrdom mission" including his plans to celebrate before it. Intriguing but discussing it at length would almost give credence to his ideology. It even goes through his finances and initial plans.

    He's very clearly from the evidence in there well read, and highly intelligent. There is scarcely a region of the world that he hasn't covered and analysed in depth even if one disagrees with the conclusions that he actually draws.


  • #1255
    Nevermind_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭Nevermind_


    Glenn Beck hits 'new low'; compares Norway victims to Hitler Youth

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/glenn-beck-hits-a-new-low-compares-norway-victims-to-hitler-youth.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.html

    FFS how the hell is this guy still given a platform on any network!!:eek:


  • #1256
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Nevermind_ wrote: »
    Glenn Beck hits 'new low'; compares Norway victims to Hitler Youth

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/glenn-beck-hits-a-new-low-compares-norway-victims-to-hitler-youth.html

    FFS how the hell is this guy still given a platform on any network!!:eek:

    Torbjørn Eriksen, the former press secretary to Norway's prime minister, was not amused.

    "Young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about," Eriksen told The Daily Telegraph. "Glenn Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful," he added.

    ^ Says it all .

    The murderer would have being more at home in Hitlers youth tbh .


  • #1257
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Nevermind_ wrote: »
    Glenn Beck hits 'new low'; compares Norway victims to Hitler Youth

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/glenn-beck-hits-a-new-low-compares-norway-victims-to-hitler-youth.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.html

    FFS how the hell is this guy still given a platform on any network!!:eek:

    The closest I've ever come to tossing a laptop and work notebook across the room was because of Glenn Beck. Here this might cheer you up:)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JnDY2Gv5YQ


  • #1258
    Blueboyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Blueboyd


    Glenn is confused.


    He probably meant this summer camp when he talked about Hitler Youth


  • #1259
    Moomoo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Moomoo1


    Blueboyd wrote: »
    So you want to be the judge and the jury and the executor.

    no, I am just giving my opinion. Regarding what is worse: a left-wing violent revolt or a right-wing one.

    at no point did I say I was going to send anyone to death


  • #1260
    Moomoo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Moomoo1


    shadowninty wrote: »
    So you think the people that saved countless lives in Afghanistan from the Taliban deserve to be killed. FFS. The Northern Alliance had been pleeing for help for years. If you think the ruling parties of NATOs members deserve death for helping the NA with air support and then subsequently deploying ground forces you dont understand the situation there.

    to avoid going into an argument about Afghanistan: I wouldn't kill them, but given the choice between a revolt that killed them and a revolt that killed people based on colour I would choose the first.


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  • #1261
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Moomoo1 wrote: »
    yeah. Difference is, in a left-wing revolution the violence would be against the people at the top - who let's face it probably deserve it. In a right-wing revolution the violence would be against people who are not responsible for the state this country is in.

    Ugh. Do you really think that if there is a "revolution" on the left where violence can be used if necessary and if people oppose that that people wouldn't exercise violence against the opponents, or indeed that nobody would justify it?

    It's about as bad as any other form of terrorism. Indeed, there are more cases of left-wing terrorism in Europe in a given year than far-right terrorism according to Europol figures.


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