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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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    #1442
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    indy_man wrote: »
    This is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate abortion supporting side.

    https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/992433880266412032

    Looks to me like he was introduced to 2 important scientific concepts, Archimedes law of the lever and gravity.


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    #1443
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Jaysis, he should sign for some of the Italian teams, he took a fierce dive there.

    "We have trouble getting this out in the media,"
    "90% of our posters are torn down in Dublin,"

    Really does have the spiel down pat.

    Although it was wrong of yer man, if they did have permission to put it up there.


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    #1444
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    indy_man wrote: »
    This is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate abortion supporting side.

    https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/992433880266412032

    I wish the Americans would keep their fceking nose out of our business on both sides of the referendum. :mad: Seriously mind yer own fecking business........


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    #1445
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it


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    #1446
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Looks like a telephone/ESB pole - if it is, then they have no right to put the poster up.

    Have you not got a comment on the young drag queen who was assaulted for wearing his repeal the 8th jumper?

    That is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate forced birth supporting side.

    I was attacked last Saturday by a man who took exception to my Repeal necklace. He came and ripped it of my neck. I wasn't out campaigning, I was just walking down the street minding my own business. I know of at least two other women who have been treated in a similar way.


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    #1447
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

    Noone is hiding from it.

    You're wrong though, but you just keep on keeping on, it's not like you'll listen.


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    #1448
    spookwoman
    Registered Users Posts: 9,922 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I can tell you that Fiona was absolutely dreading it as she knew she would be outnumbered. The presence of the Repeal supporters meant a lot to her and really gave her heart. Especially as a full on attack against her was launched on twitter calling her credentials into question and asking what right she had to even be involved as she is based in the U.K.

    Yeah - what would a Tipp woman educated in U.C.C who went on to become a human rights expert and law professor in two very prestigious universities know about it. :rolleyes:
    When you see someone like Caroline Simons just lashing out at a group of people for no reason you know she is desperate and on the ropes. :D


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    #1449
    kylith
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    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

    That’s not what happens in a termination at 12 weeks, which is medical not surgical.

    What is your opinion of the banners being displayed outside maternity hospitals the last few days?

    What is your opinion of the young woman left with internal injuries because the baby was born sideways and the midwife did nothing because the foetus was not at risk?

    What is your opinion of a woman in labour having her vagina cut without her consent?

    What is your opinion of a pregnant woman being denied medical treatment until her life is at ‘real and substantial’ risk?


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    #1450
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it



    Please explain how misoprostol and mifepristone pills do this ?


    nanobots ?


    magic ?


    or is bullsh!t ?


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    #1451
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    ASISEEIT wrote:
    When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it


    That's the reality of a surgical abortion, the majority of abortions however are not surgical.
    Nobody is hiding from any of this though we all know how it works


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    #1452
    joe40
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    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it
    I don't see how that could true. A child is several month old before it has the co ordination to control muscle movements. That is a bit like the yawning even though they are not breathing in the womb. A babies muscle movements at birth are not in a controlled way.
    Maybe someone else would have more information on development of muscle movement and control
    Late stage abortion are still very difficult and I'm sure must be a nightmare for parents. Thankfully they are rare.


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    #1453
    indy_man
    Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭indy_man


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Looks to me like he was introduced to 2 important scientific concepts, Archimedes law of the lever and gravity.


    More heartless comments from those who want to make stopping hearts legal.


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    #1454
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    indy_man wrote: »
    More heartless comments from those who want to make stopping hearts legal.

    Any comments on the heartless remarks and distressing pictures being exhibited where vulnerable people and children can see them?


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    #1455
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    indy_man wrote: »
    This is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate abortion supporting side.

    https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/992433880266412032



    That's Declan Ganleys brother with the ladder in his hand

    Declan would know a lot of people in the USA

    The guy with the beard is from the USA

    Funny dat

    Declan had Libertas

    John McGuirk was spokesman for Libertas


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    #1456
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    indy_man wrote: »
    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Looks to me like he was introduced to 2 important scientific concepts, Archimedes law of the lever and gravity.


    More heartless comments from those who want to make stopping hearts legal.

    Ummmm, he fell over, my apologies if my comment offends your sensibilities


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    #1457
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    JennyVin wrote:
    Reading much misinformation on this board. Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.


    So you completely disregard the recent discussion on the actual report where it is made very clear that the 8th was reason Savita's case was mismanaged, and instead you post an opinion piece... and have the nerve to say there is misinformation and that you have the truth?


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    #1458
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Mr. No


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/on-the-mysterious-trail-of-mr-no-1.1216330




    A request for an interview with Ganley, or with a representative of Libertas, so that the points being made in this article could be discussed, was declined. "We will not be co-operating with this piece. You are free, of course, to write what you wish, provided you can back it up," Libertas spokesman John McGuirk said in response to the request.


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    #1459
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

    That is a complete and utter lie with zero scientific and medical foundation.


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    #1460
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    So, timing eh?

    I've just had my mother come to me in tears with news about my younger brother , who's girlfriend is 27 weeks pregnant. A girl my own kids were delighted about ( my youngest, at 6, is the baby, over both sides of the family so he was chuffed that he wouldn't be anymore).

    Myself and the missus had been wondering between us how come they'd had so many scans, seemed a lot over the last while. Apparently they'd noticed a few things and it's all come to a head now, having seen a geneticist and whatever other doctors you see about these things . I don't know the full ins and outs because I'm getting the information 3rd hand but the jist is the baby may survive , and could survive a long life span but it would not be a life worth lioving. A life being kept alive , pretty much just for th awake of not being dead. A life of suffering for both child and parents, aswell as sacrifice for any other children they may have. So now they are looking at the prospect of having to go abroad, to see doctors and specialist and go through all the hurt and suffering all over again , to have a baby induced that won't survive and then have to travel straight back home to deal with it.
    These are two kids (relativly speaking I mean. They are mid 20s) and this is their first experience of pregnancy and the effects and stresses of what happens when it goes wrong. "Sorry folks, nothing we can do, here's a plane ticket so someone else can deal with you"


    From the beginning I have been pro choice and tbh I assu ed my mother was too, but this resulted in a bit of heated discussion ( not helped that we were both upset) when she went on the "abortion on demand" bit . She didn't seem to see any issue or connection between her upset and what others might be dealing with I their lives just because our family's particular situation is wholly medical.


    **** the laws and **** the 8th amendment.


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    #1461
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So, timing eh?

    I've just had my mother come to me in tears with news about my younger brother , who's girlfriend is 27 weeks pregnant. A girl my own kids were delighted about ( my youngest, at 6, is the baby, over both sides of the family so he was chuffed that he wouldn't be anymore).

    Myself and the missus had been wondering between us how come they'd had so many scans, seemed a lot over the last while. Apparently they'd noticed a few things and it's all come to a head now, having seen a geneticist and whatever other doctors you see about these things . I don't know the full ins and outs because I'm getting the information 3rd hand but the jist is the baby may survive , and could survive a long life span but it would not be a life worth lioving. A life being kept alive , pretty much just for th awake of not being dead. A life of suffering for both child and parents, aswell as sacrifice for any other children they may have. So now they are looking at the prospect of having to go abroad, to see doctors and specialist and go through all the hurt and suffering all over again , to have a baby induced that won't survive and then have to travel straight back home to deal with it.
    These are two kids (relativly speaking I mean. They are mid 20s) and this is their first experience of pregnancy and the effects and stresses of what happens when it goes wrong. "Sorry folks, nothing we can do, here's a plane ticket so someone else can deal with you"

    **** the laws and **** the 8th amendment.

    My sympathies. Every day there is a more heartbreaking story of what this hideous amendment is causing


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    #1462
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So, timing eh?

    I've just had my mother come to me in tears with news about my younger brother , who's girlfriend is 27 weeks pregnant. A girl my own kids were delighted about ( my youngest, at 6, is the baby, over both sides of the family so he was chuffed that he wouldn't be anymore).

    Myself and the missus had been wondering between us how come they'd had so many scans, seemed a lot over the last while. Apparently they'd noticed a few things and it's all come to a head now, having seen a geneticist and whatever other doctors you see about these things . I don't know the full ins and outs because I'm getting the information 3rd hand but the jist is the baby may survive , and could survive a long life span but it would not be a life worth lioving. A life being kept alive , pretty much just for th awake of not being dead. A life of suffering for both child and parents, aswell as sacrifice for any other children they may have. So now they are looking at the prospect of having to go abroad, to see doctors and specialist and go through all the hurt and suffering all over again , to have a baby induced that won't survive and then have to travel straight back home to deal with it.
    These are two kids (relativly speaking I mean. They are mid 20s) and this is their first experience of pregnancy and the effects and stresses of what happens when it goes wrong. "Sorry folks, nothing we can do, here's a plane ticket so someone else can deal with you"


    From the beginning I have been pro choice and tbh I assu ed my mother was too, but this resulted in a bit of heated discussion ( not helped that we were both upset) when she went on the "abortion on demand" bit . She didn't seem to see any issue or connection between her upset and what others might be dealing with I their lives just because our family's particular situation is wholly medical.


    **** the laws and **** the 8th amendment.

    That’s heartbreaking.


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    #1463
    Dressing gown
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭Dressing gown


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So, timing eh?

    I've just had my mother come to me in tears with news about my younger brother , who's girlfriend is 27 weeks pregnant. A girl my own kids were delighted about ( my youngest, at 6, is the baby, over both sides of the family so he was chuffed that he wouldn't be anymore).

    Myself and the missus had been wondering between us how come they'd had so many scans, seemed a lot over the last while. Apparently they'd noticed a few things and it's all come to a head now, having seen a geneticist and whatever other doctors you see about these things . I don't know the full ins and outs because I'm getting the information 3rd hand but the jist is the baby may survive , and could survive a long life span but it would not be a life worth lioving. A life being kept alive , pretty much just for th awake of not being dead. A life of suffering for both child and parents, aswell as sacrifice for any other children they may have. So now they are looking at the prospect of having to go abroad, to see doctors and specialist and go through all the hurt and suffering all over again , to have a baby induced that won't survive and then have to travel straight back home to deal with it.
    These are two kids (relativly speaking I mean. They are mid 20s) and this is their first experience of pregnancy and the effects and stresses of what happens when it goes wrong. "Sorry folks, nothing we can do, here's a plane ticket so someone else can deal with you"


    From the beginning I have been pro choice and tbh I assu ed my mother was too, but this resulted in a bit of heated discussion ( not helped that we were both upset) when she went on the "abortion on demand" bit . She didn't seem to see any issue or connection between her upset and what others might be dealing with I their lives just because our family's particular situation is wholly medical.


    **** the laws and **** the 8th amendment.

    Ah so sad. Very sorry for you’re brother and his girlfriend. This is my biggest problem with the 8th. It’s an absolute disgrace not to be supporting them in the situation here in their own country surrounded by their families.


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    #1464
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    indy_man wrote:
    More heartless comments from those who want to make stopping hearts legal.

    Why the weird focus on beating hearts, as if that's the seat of personhood? It's not the middle ages anymore.


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    #1465
    indy_man
    Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭indy_man


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    My sympathies. Every day there is a more heartbreaking story of what this hideous amendment is causing




    No, everyday there are more and more girls not regretting terminating their pregnancies.


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    #1466
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    When you scrape a baby-arms ,legs,head-yes it is scraped or sucked out=dont kid yourselves-it recoils/try to defend herself/himself. This is the reality of abortion. Dont hide from it

    No it's not. That's a lie. A 12 week feotus cannot recoil. It is not developed enough.


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    #1467
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    indy_man wrote: »
    No, everyday there are more and more girls not regretting terminating their pregnancies.


    It's so nice you know what all the women need and make the decision for them so they don't have to worry their little heads with the big issues.


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    #1468
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    indy_man wrote: »
    No, everyday there are more and more girls not regretting terminating their pregnancies.

    Sounds like they made the right decision.


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    #1469
    indy_man
    Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭indy_man


    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.

    Even youtube has done all it can to suppress this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RVuXcgcnwWk


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    #1470
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    indy_man wrote: »
    No, everyday there are more and more girls not regretting terminating their pregnancies.

    No, there aren't. Anyone who makes that choice in no way regrets it. Which is why you should trust the woman to know what is best for her.


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    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,865 ✭✭✭✭January


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So, timing eh?

    I've just had my mother come to me in tears with news about my younger brother , who's girlfriend is 27 weeks pregnant. A girl my own kids were delighted about ( my youngest, at 6, is the baby, over both sides of the family so he was chuffed that he wouldn't be anymore).

    Myself and the missus had been wondering between us how come they'd had so many scans, seemed a lot over the last while. Apparently they'd noticed a few things and it's all come to a head now, having seen a geneticist and whatever other doctors you see about these things . I don't know the full ins and outs because I'm getting the information 3rd hand but the jist is the baby may survive , and could survive a long life span but it would not be a life worth lioving. A life being kept alive , pretty much just for th awake of not being dead. A life of suffering for both child and parents, aswell as sacrifice for any other children they may have. So now they are looking at the prospect of having to go abroad, to see doctors and specialist and go through all the hurt and suffering all over again , to have a baby induced that won't survive and then have to travel straight back home to deal with it.
    These are two kids (relativly speaking I mean. They are mid 20s) and this is their first experience of pregnancy and the effects and stresses of what happens when it goes wrong. "Sorry folks, nothing we can do, here's a plane ticket so someone else can deal with you"


    From the beginning I have been pro choice and tbh I assu ed my mother was too, but this resulted in a bit of heated discussion ( not helped that we were both upset) when she went on the "abortion on demand" bit . She didn't seem to see any issue or connection between her upset and what others might be dealing with I their lives just because our family's particular situation is wholly medical.


    **** the laws and **** the 8th amendment.

    2 women a week are given this news. It was only a matter of time it affected someone on or someone close to someone on this thread and yet you still have the anti choice side chiming in their ****ing opinion that stamps all over other women's bodies and lives.

    I hope that whatever your family member decides they're treated with compassion and love and I hope one day others won't have to travel if they decide on a compassionate induction of labour.


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