8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Thirdfox wrote: »

It is whataboutery in my eyes to raise the fact that something is legal elsewhere to be solely the determination of if something is to be legal in Ireland.
If we take a principle of "if Irish people can get it elsewhere that is solely a good reason to allow it here" then should we allow prostitution (yes, and tax it too I say) , cannabis use (I actually think we should but that's beside the point), euthanasia or any multitude of laws where other countries' laws differe to our own.

erica74 wrote: »

I'm surprised he has had so much time to post today and hasn't been busy lawyering in his law office doing the law things.

Master of the Rotunda Maternity Hospital warns pro-life posters 'factually inaccurate'

Professor Fergal Malone says the posters are causing “extreme distress” among pregnant women

JupiterKid wrote: »

You know, Iona and the no to repeal crowd seem to think that it is a “certain type” of woman who procures a termination. You know, the “easy girl” the “sl*t”, the “town bike” etc. And the idea that they would just use it as a form of contraception. I doubt ANY woman takes the decision to have an abortion lightly.

Four women that I have known closely in my life have privately disclosed to me that they had terminations. And not one of them was in that supposed category - not by a long shot. It certainly opened up my eyes at the time.

It’s so easy to judge when the person doing the judging isn’t in any way affected. I’d wager that the daughters of some staunch no voters have had terminations in the UK and elsewhere when they were faced with a crisis pregnancy.

Sir, – The recent inquest on Savita Halappanavar has raised important issues about hospital infection in obstetrics. Much of the public attention appears to have been directed at the expert opinion of Dr Peter Boylan who suggested that Irish law prevented necessary treatment to save Ms Halappanavar’s life. We would suggest that this is a personal view, not an expert one.

Furthermore, it is impossible for Dr Boylan, or for any doctor, to predict with certainty the clinical course and outcome in the case of Savita Halappanavar where sepsis arose from the virulent and multi drug-resistant organism, E.coli ESBL.

What we can say with certainty is that where ruptured membranes are accompanied by any clinical or bio-chemical marker of infection, Irish obstetricians understand they can intervene with early delivery of the baby if necessary. Unfortunately, the inquest shows that in Galway University Hospital the diagnosis of chorioamnionitis was delayed and relevant information was not noted and acted upon.

The facts as produced at the inquest show this tragic case to be primarily about the management of sepsis, and Dr Boylan’s opinion on the effect of Irish law did not appear to be shared by the coroner, or the jury, of the inquest.

Obstetric sepsis is unfortunately on the increase and is now the leading cause of maternal death reported in the UK Confidential Enquiry into Maternal Deaths . Additionally there are many well-documented fatalities from sepsis in women following termination of pregnancy. To concentrate on the legal position regarding abortion in the light of such a case as that in Galway does not assist our services to pregnant women.

It is clear that maternal mortality in developed countries is rising, in the US, Canada, Britain, Denmark, Netherlands and other European countries. The last Confidential Enquiry in Britain (which now includes Ireland) recommended a “return to basics” and stated that many maternal deaths are related to failure to observe simple clinical signs such as fever, headache and changes in pulse rate and blood pressure. Many of the failings highlighted in Galway have been described before in these and other reports.

The additional problem of multi-resistant organisms causing infection, largely as a result of antibiotic use and abuse, is a serious cause of concern and may lead to higher death rates in all areas of medicine.

Ireland’s maternal health record is one of the best in the world in terms of our low rate of maternal death (including Galway hospital). The case in Galway was one of the worst cases of sepsis ever experienced in that hospital, and the diagnosis of ESBL septicaemia was almost unprecedented among Irish maternity units.

It is important that all obstetrical units in Ireland reflect on the findings of the events in Galway and learn how to improve care for pregnant women. To reduce it to a polemical argument about abortion may lead to more – not fewer – deaths in the future. – Yours, etc,

Dr JOHN MONAGHAN, DCH FRCPI FRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Portiuncula, Galway;
Dr CYRIL THORNTON, MB BCh MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Cork Clinic;
Dr EAMON Mc GUINNESS, MB BCh MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Mount Carmel Hospital, Dublin;
Dr TREVOR HAYES, MB BCh FRCS MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, St Luke’s General Hospital, Kilkenny; Dr CHRIS KING, MB DCH MRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist, Letterkenny General Hospital;
Dr EILEEN REILLY, MB ChB MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist, Galway Clinic;
Prof JOHN BONNAR, MD FRCPI FRCOG, Prof Emeritus Obstetrics & Gynaecology, Trinity College Dublin;
Prof EAMON O’DWYER, MB MAO LLB FRCPI FRCOG, Prof Emeritus Obstetrics & Gynaecology, NUI Galway;
Prof STEPHEN CUSACK, MB BCh FRCSI, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Cork University Hospital;
Dr RORY PAGE, MB BCh FFA RCSI, Consultant Anaesthetist, Cavan General Hospital; Dr
JAMES CLAIR, MB BCh PhD FRCPath, Consultant Microbiologist, Mercy University Hospital,
Cork.

JennyVin wrote: »

Reading much misinformation on this board. Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

You left out this bit :


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/letter-an-attack-on-my-professional-opinion-says-obstetrician-1.1379025




The obstetricians include three well-known anti-abortion figures - Prof John Bonnar, Prof Eamon O’Dwyer and Prof John Monaghan.

JennyVin wrote: »

Dr JOHN MONAGHAN, DCH FRCPI FRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Portiuncula, Galway;


Dr CYRIL THORNTON, MB BCh MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Cork Clinic;
Dr EAMON Mc GUINNESS, MB BCh MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Mount Carmel Hospital, Dublin;
Dr TREVOR HAYES, MB BCh FRCS MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, St Luke’s General Hospital, Kilkenny; Dr CHRIS KING, MB DCH MRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist, Letterkenny General Hospital;
Dr EILEEN REILLY, MB ChB MRCOG, Consultant Obstetrician/ Gynaecologist, Galway Clinic;

Prof JOHN BONNAR, MD FRCPI FRCOG, Prof Emeritus Obstetrics & Gynaecology, Trinity College Dublin;

Prof EAMON O’DWYER, MB MAO LLB FRCPI FRCOG, Prof Emeritus Obstetrics & Gynaecology, NUI Galway;


Prof STEPHEN CUSACK, MB BCh FRCSI, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Cork University Hospital;
Dr RORY PAGE, MB BCh FFA RCSI, Consultant Anaesthetist, Cavan General Hospital; Dr
JAMES CLAIR, MB BCh PhD FRCPath, Consultant Microbiologist, Mercy University Hospital,
Cork.

JennyVin wrote: »

Reading much misinformation on this board.

Please inform yourself of the truth before you vote.

Dr JOHN MONAGHAN, DCH FRCPI FRCOG Consultant Obstetrician/Gynaecologist, Portiuncula, Galway;

Issues at the hospital first came to light when it was noticed an unusually high number of babies were being sent to Dublin for Therapeutic Hypothermia (sometimes known as baby cooling), a treatment usually used in cases where babies were deprived of oxygen during birth.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/multiple-failures-identified-in-report-into-baby-deaths-at-galway-hospital-1.3482993

The majority of the problems involved poor pre-natal assessment of the babies and a failure to quickly escalate the level of care when problems first presented

Hospital criticised for hiding information on babies’ deaths




Earlier this year the couple commissioned an independent medical expert to review Ms Reilly’s medical files as well as those of Asha and Amber. The expert concluded “the grossly substandard management” of Lorraine’s condition “ was responsible for the intrauterine death of Asha.”


Lorraine Reilly: “If we were told the truth, then there is no way we would have gone back to Portinuncula.”



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hospital-criticised-for-hiding-information-on-babies-deaths-1.3060593

indy_man wrote: »

This is not acceptable and typical of the brain washed obstinate abortion supporting side.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/992433880266412032