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    #5222
    BandMember
    Registered Users Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    Sorry for my irrelevant updates, but I FINALLY have my broadband. Kn came out this morning, so thanks to the tech support who actually got things moving after hours of calls. Fault was from something that had been done whilst installing elsewhere (they said any way). They didn't do anything inside my house.

    It's fantastic. Good luck to everyone who gets theirs, it really is unbelievable we get these speeds out here in the arse end of nowhere.

    You know the rules - speedtest pics or GTFO.... ;)


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    #5223
    GalwayMagpie
    Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭GalwayMagpie


    Hi,
    Does anyone have a summary of the packages/providers for FTTH? 
    Not the 3 month introductory price, but the actual long term price.


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    #5224
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,958 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    BandMember wrote: »
    You know the rules - speedtest pics or GTFO.... ;)

    Once I've finished downloading ALL the Internet I'll post a pic :)

    Edit, ok, couldn't resist: Here's current speedtest result from my phone on 5g wifi (with loads downloading over ethernet). Ping of 6ms which is quite good as I understand :):)

    http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/2819198512

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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    #5225
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    Once I've finished downloading ALL the Internet I'll post a pic :)

    Edit, ok, couldn't resist: Here's current speedtest result from my phone on 5g wifi (with loads downloading over ethernet). Ping of 6ms which is quite good as I understand :):)

    http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/2819198512

    the only issue I am having since I got my broadband is the Wifi. All my devices use 2.4g, can't get 5g on any of my devices.

    My TV and PS4 are on wifi 2.4g at the moment, and connect fine and get speeds relative to the distance from the router. No issues at all with the wifi on these devices.

    However I am having an issue with mobile devices connected with the 2.4g wifi like smartphones and tablets. The devices appear to get the full wifi signal all the time and generally get great speeds, however frequently data refuses to load and it may take 30 seconds for something to load and then it will work great for a few minutes and drop again then suddenly load everything again. The thing is the wireless signal never shows signs of dropping, yet nothing may load for a certain length of time as if there is no connection, then suddenly works again so it is very intermittent. let me know if you experience 'issues' with the wifi on 2.4g using mobile devices.


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    #5226
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Gonzo wrote: »
    the only issue I am having since I got my broadband is the Wifi. All my devices use 2.4g, can't get 5g on any of my devices.

    My TV and PS4 are on wifi 2.4g at the moment, and connect fine and get speeds relative to the distance from the router. No issues at all with the wifi on these devices.

    However I am having an issue with mobile devices connected with the 2.4g wifi like smartphones and tablets. The devices appear to get the full wifi signal all the time and generally get great speeds, however frequently data refuses to load and it may take 30 seconds for something to load and then it will work great for a few minutes and drop again then suddenly load everything again. The thing is the wireless signal never shows signs of dropping, yet nothing may load for a certain length of time as if there is no connection, then suddenly works again so it is very intermittent. let me know if you experience 'issues' with the wifi on 2.4g using mobile devices.

    That could be interference on the channel - try using a different channel. Generally my experience with 5ghz is that it's less stable than 2.4. With FTTH you should upgrade the whole shagging lot to 5ghz. :-) Friend of mine got fttc installed a few years ago and was wondering why he was getting crap speeds - turned out to be the baby monitor causing interference, I think he just changed the channel it was using.


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    #5227
    yammagamma
    Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭yammagamma


    re FTTH and absolutely no usage limits,and unlimited used in advertising the word limit is defined in company law is it not as in a limited company so therefore it has a quontum and therefore the reverse holds true ie unlimited has no quontum, also the courts/other bodies ruled did they not in people missold mortgate protection that the advertising/sales formed part of the contract and the person was not expected to read every word line of the contract and so were missold a product,,

    and on another note the fibre cables are hanging fair close when lads go up the road on tractors and the front bucket/forks up in the air and also artic trucks ,i can see so many stoppages breaks around the country ,


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    #5228
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    That could be interference on the channel - try using a different channel. Generally my experience with 5ghz is that it's less stable than 2.4. With FTTH you should upgrade the whole shagging lot to 5ghz. :-) Friend of mine got fttc installed a few years ago and was wondering why he was getting crap speeds - turned out to be the baby monitor causing interference, I think he just changed the channel it was using.

    I'll give that a shot!

    the thing is very few devices support 5g

    Currently I use these devices and none of them support 5G unfortunately-

    1 - PS4
    2 - Sony TV 1080p
    3 - Huawei p9 lite
    4 - Google Nexus 7 (2014)

    I have 2 desktop pc's both are wired to the network, I am planning to wire the TV and PS4 to the network at some point.


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    #5229
    Sytax Error
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭Sytax Error


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    4mg lined connection I could live with until FTTH!!

    Me too...this is as fast as I can get...


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    #5230
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    Does anyone know the carrying capacity of trunk fibre cables? I am seeing a slim fibre cable on poles not too far away from an exchange with 3 multicore copper cables underneath. Could the cable be carrying data to up to about 200 premises? Will contention be an issue in places in the future?
    Just some perspective on this: I don't know what brand of cable (or strand count) eir are using on any given run, but it's possible to get aerial cable with 144 fibre strands at only 15mm diameter. Each of those strands could be split 32 ways to provide connections to 4,608 premises.

    I'm not saying that's how it is cabled - just that you shouldn't worry about the size of the fibre cables. They've got adequate capacity.
    yammagamma wrote: »
    and on another note the fibre cables are hanging fair close when lads go up the road on tractors and the front bucket/forks up in the air and also artic trucks ,i can see so many stoppages breaks around the country ,
    All cables crossing roads are installed at a specified minimum height, I think it's around 5.2m or so. Road-going vehicles have a height limit well below this, I think it's 4.65m. Even with forks raised, tractors can easily clear the lines. They've been driving under copper lines for years.


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    #5231
    Wombatman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Gonzo wrote: »
    the only issue I am having since I got my broadband is the Wifi. All my devices use 2.4g, can't get 5g on any of my devices.

    My TV and PS4 are on wifi 2.4g at the moment, and connect fine and get speeds relative to the distance from the router. No issues at all with the wifi on these devices.

    However I am having an issue with mobile devices connected with the 2.4g wifi like smartphones and tablets. The devices appear to get the full wifi signal all the time and generally get great speeds, however frequently data refuses to load and it may take 30 seconds for something to load and then it will work great for a few minutes and drop again then suddenly load everything again. The thing is the wireless signal never shows signs of dropping, yet nothing may load for a certain length of time as if there is no connection, then suddenly works again so it is very intermittent. let me know if you experience 'issues' with the wifi on 2.4g using mobile devices.

    Same problem here. Also Admin console can be very slow to open at times.

    Last night I changed the wifi channels, disabled 5ghz and also used Google dns instead of Eirs. I also disabled the host wifi yesterday.

    No time to test fully last night but looked to have improved things with the wifi. Slow admin console load is annoying.


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    #5232
    Sytax Error
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Just some perspective on this: I don't know what brand of cable (or strand count) eir are using on any given run, but it's possible to get aerial cable with 144 fibre strands at only 15mm diameter. Each of those strands could be split 32 ways to provide connections to 4,608 premises.

    I'm not saying that's how it is cabled - just that you shouldn't worry about the size of the fibre cables. They've got adequate capacity.

    All cables crossing roads are installed at a specified minimum height, I think it's around 5.2m or so. Road-going vehicles have a height limit well below this, I think it's 4.65m. Even with forks raised, tractors can easily clear the lines. They've been driving under copper lines for years.

    See:

    http://www.acome.fr/en/content/download/28192/530416/file/UND1534%20Outdoor%20Distribution%20Cable%20Aerail%20Duct%2002%20to%20288%20Fo.pdf

    Eir are using a 36 core cable - more than enough capacity for quite some time to come.


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    #5233
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Sytax Error wrote: »
    See:

    http://www.acome.fr/en/content/download/28192/530416/file/UND1534%20Outdoor%20Distribution%20Cable%20Aerail%20Duct%2002%20to%20288%20Fo.pdf

    Eir are using a 36 core cable - more than enough capacity for quite some time to come.

    I got some related info back in Jan .......

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102307853&postcount=3013
    It is 36 core, 12 each of three different colours ....... and one of those colour batches is reserved for some future use, so 24 fibres to be used.


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    #5234
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I'll give that a shot!

    the thing is very few devices support 5g

    Currently I use these devices and none of them support 5G unfortunately-

    1 - PS4
    2 - Sony TV 1080p
    3 - Huawei p9 lite
    4 - Google Nexus 7 (2014)

    I have 2 desktop pc's both are wired to the network, I am planning to wire the TV and PS4 to the network at some point.

    Yeah I'm soooo FTTH ready it's ridiculous, I even considered running fibre internally during the build a few years back! My TVs, pcs, xbox are all ethernet connected to a gigabit switch. My phone is 5ghz and I've got the nexus 9.
    So eir - get your ass in gear and fire up the fibre on my road.:D
    Feels like i've been stuck in a time warp since I moved here.


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    #5235
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    Yeah I'm soooo FTTH ready it's ridiculous, I even considered running fibre internally during the build a few years back! My TVs, pcs, xbox are all ethernet connected to a gigabit switch. My phone is 5ghz and I've got the nexus 9.
    So eir - get your ass in gear and fire up the fibre on my road.:D
    Feels like i've been stuck in a time warp since I moved here.

    When you get it there is no turning back! I have it now almost 3 weeks and could never go back to my old connection. You will be the same. Really looking forward to everyone getting their connections sorted and seeing pics/speedtests. When is your area due to go live? They are really starting to power through the rollout now, compared to up to a few months ago.

    Yesterday I saw new wiring in the Tara exchange north of Dunshaughlin near Ross Cross. Whole area looks to be wired up, splitters not installed yet tho.


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    #5236
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Gonzo wrote: »
    When you get it there is no turning back! I have it now almost 3 weeks and could never go back to my old connection. You will be the same. Really looking forward to everyone getting their connections sorted and seeing pics/speedtests. When is your area due to go live? They are really starting to power through the rollout now, compared to up to a few months ago.

    Yesterday I saw new wiring in the Tara exchange north of Dunshaughlin near Ross Cross. Whole area looks to be wired up, splitters not installed yet tho.

    Mine is down for the end - typical - winter 2018 - but I live in hope since a few exchanges jumped forward.

    Yeah 5ghz is pretty decent I copy files now and again from my laptop to my pc and it's much faster to copy them over the ac wireless than my crappy USB keys, handy for backing stuff up etc. Would really go hand in hand with FTTH.


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    #5237
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    With Eir's F2000 modem, It has been reported by various other customers that there is often an issue with the wifi at 2.4g, but the 5g works fine. Unfortunately none of my devices support 5g, I am particularly surprised by the huawei p9 lite which is a decent phone only only released last year, it only supports 2.4.

    When friends call over they have to use their wireless provider as the Wifi is just too unreliable on mobile devices. I will try all the wireless channels to see if it will make a difference.


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    #5238
    Pangea
    Registered Users Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭Pangea


    First person in my neighbourhood got the fibre in, I see the line is carried along the outside wall, the same install Gonzo got .


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    #5239
    KOR101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    I've asked this before, but I'm curious whether anyone with FTTH is hitting the limit of their download speed and being constrained by it. I'm curious whether I would hit the limit even with 350m/bits, and clearly this is P2P I'm talking about.

    I'm on FTTC and hit my limit now on a daily basis.

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    #5240
    long_b
    Registered Users Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭long_b


    Pangea wrote: »
    First person in my neighbourhood got the fibre in, I see the line is carried along the outside wall, the same install Gonzo got .
    Pangea wrote: »
    First person in my neighbourhood got the fibre in, .

    Ditto.

    Chatting to the KN crew they said they couldn't install in an attic. Said they had an email about it Fire risk or some such thing.


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    #5241
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,958 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    long_b wrote: »
    Ditto.

    Chatting to the KN crew they said they couldn't install in an attic. Said they had an email about it Fire risk or some such thing.

    Mine went through the attic, but that was 2 weeks ago, so maybe it's changed again.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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    #5242
    Pangea
    Registered Users Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭Pangea


    long_b wrote: »
    Ditto.

    Chatting to the KN crew they said they couldn't install in an attic. Said they had an email about it Fire risk or some such thing.

    Thanks Sounds like they want to cut down their install times. Considering that electric 230 volt cables are running through attics, fibre cables should be fine.


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    #5243
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Pangea wrote: »
    Thanks Sounds like they want to cut down their install times. Considering that electric 230 volt cables are running through attics, fibre cables should be fine.

    It is not the cables that would be the worry ........ they do not want the responsibility for having a powered device put in there. Power supplies can fail, and cause serious problems if not noticed.

    I would never recommend an attic install of any powered equipment.


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    #5244
    Pangea
    Registered Users Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭Pangea


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    It is not the cables that would be the worry ........ they do not want the responsibility for having a powered device put in there. Power supplies can fail, and cause serious problems if not noticed.

    I would never recommend an attic install of any powered equipment.

    Oh I see what you mean. Sorry I didn't mean actual attic install, i meant putting the cables through the attic and dragging it down to the desired room. Something which I hope to do.


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    #5245
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Pangea wrote: »
    Oh I see what you mean. Sorry I didn't mean actual attic install, i meant putting the cables through the attic and dragging it down to the desired room. Something which I hope to do.

    From the info posted on here there seems to be only a short cable from the passive unit to the powered one so I don't know how that would work out.


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    #5246
    long_b
    Registered Users Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭long_b


    It's a bit strange because when I told them my house was an unobstructed overhead cable to the gable-end they were all "Oh I hope we get that install so".

    If they're reluctant to deal with attics (as I've heard) they must be just glad it's not ducted and will be planning to go around the fascia.

    Guy at work was telling me that his sister had to get them out 3 times to finish her install due to duct issues.


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    #5247
    naughto
    Registered Users Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭naughto


    KOR101 wrote: »
    I've asked this before, but I'm curious whether anyone with FTTH is hitting the limit of their download speed and being constrained by it. I'm curious whether I would hit the limit even with 350m/bits, and clearly this is P2P I'm talking about.

    I'm on FTTC and hit my limit now on a daily basis.

    Untitled_1.jpg

    45 GB how long did it take?


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    #5248
    overtime
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭overtime


    Got mine installed today - still can't believe it

    last speedtest from Vodafone this morning:

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    And over wifi this evening:

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    #5249
    vintagevrs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    That's some difference!


    On the install side of things I was wondering about this myself. My master socket currently is upstairs in the 'hotpress', although it's not an actual hotpress as no hot water tank in there. That is where I have a small node 0 type set up. All network cables from house go back to there, and I then have a few wireless routers providing wifi around the house.

    For FTTH I assume it's a fibre cable that goes into the modem, and if so how will they get this to this room which is upstairs in our house. Currently where the phoneline comes into the house, I think they used a pair in one of the network cables that's in that downstairs room to bring the line back up to the hotpress and install the faceplate there.

    Will they just put a new faceplate in the room where the line enters the house?


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    #5250
    John1993W
    Registered Users Posts: 30 ✭John1993W


    I was on to an eir rep on the forums over my eircode being a stumbling block for me to get fibre.

    I quote "the cabinet is live... fibre is subject to availability and we would be unable to guarantee the service to you".

    Whatever the hell that means.

    My neighbours either side of me are passing, they are no greater than 15ft each side. Worst thing is, they don't even have internet in their homes! Both elderly couples well into their late 70s/early 80s and have absolutely no intention of getting internet let alone fiber.

    My house is on the yellow line and is marked as a "Light Blue" candidate on the Department of Communications website


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    #5251
    overtime
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭overtime


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    That's some difference!


    On the install side of things I was wondering about this myself. My master socket currently is upstairs in the 'hotpress', although it's not an actual hotpress as no hot water tank in there. That is where I have a small node 0 type set up. All network cables from house go back to there, and I then have a few wireless routers providing wifi around the house.

    For FTTH I assume it's a fibre cable that goes into the modem, and if so how will they get this to this room which is upstairs in our house. Currently where the phoneline comes into the house, I think they used a pair in one of the network cables that's in that downstairs room to bring the line back up to the hotpress and install the faceplate there.

    Will they just put a new faceplate in the room where the line enters the house?
    Same setup with me except all network cables come back to a cabinet under the stairs. The original telephone line wasn't in an ideal position but wasn't a runner anyway because the ducting was blocked somewhere along the way. Anyway he was happy to feed the fibre line in at the gable as long as I did the work in the attic (which of course I was perfectly willing to do) and I fed the fibre down some piping I'd left in place when I built the house for an occasion just like this. Regarding faceplate I don't know as I just went for Standalone (no phone at all) but I imagine the phones just attach to the modem unless that's for VoIP???


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