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Noonan is off to Bilderberg this year.

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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    What other Irish people have partaken in the child sacrifice meeting? Michael o'Leary and Mary Robinson are the only ones that come to mind. Did DOB ever get an invite?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I tend to read the full thread before posting to avoid making posts like yours.

    I have read the full thread. It's only a couple of pages long. What's your point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    HensVassal wrote: »
    I have read the full thread. It's only a couple of pages long. What's your point?

    You didn't read it properly, I'm not here to hold your hand.

    Now, go away please.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Essentially they are.

    Capitalism means the freedom to do what you want, setup a small business or set up a massive corporation.

    As for Bilderberg, its increasingly difficult for any small group of people to control anything in the capitalist west.

    That being said, of course the heads of Facebook, Microsoft, Intel, large banks and other corporations are going to have huge power and influence. There's nothing new about that.

    Essentially there is nothing to see here. Rich, powerful, influential capitalists meet. So bloody what.

    Ireland's leaders have always taken on board what the likes Intel, Microsoft, Google etc have to say. Without these companies we'd have nothing as a nation, comely maidens dancing at the crossroads would be the height of it.

    You are probably giving out about these corporations using a laptop made by them, using Google to keep up with the story, and driving a car made by one of these "evil" companies.

    At the end of the say they are just companies trying to make a profit and providing a service.

    This has to be on of the most naive posts I've read in a while. You are parrotting the propaganda of capitalists who have convinced you that you are free. Yes free to be exploited and indebted. I'm fine with a free market model but people like you have so little knowledge of how capitalism, especially unregulated capitalism, works that you just spit out slogans and cliches and have absolutely no idea what you've said.

    All the labour reforms and protections that were hard fought for and won over the last 70 years are being stripped back by the IMF and the World Bank and you can bet the farm that the further erosion of these will be high on the Bilderberg agenda as it most usually is.

    You talk about setting up a business, as if you know what that involves. Well not everybody has a business head on them or want to, or can, run a business. But the vast majority of people want to, and can, work. Capitalism exploits those who work and rewards those who do the exploiting. It's as simple as that. Capitalists seek to maximize profit and minimise cost. In economics the costs of production are fixed and variable. The capitalist seeks to slash both while maintaining or increasing production. This involves gutting pensions, freezing or lowering wages, abolishing benefits, increasing work hours but also the removal of costly things like minimum safety standards. If you think that there are only two states in which an economic society can exist: (1) the present paradigm of predatory capitalism, or (2) we all break rocks in a Soviet style gulag and aren't allowed to listen to rock n' roll music, then you are pitifully ignorant of economic doctrine and societal structuring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭FalconGirl


    The secrecy surrounding this event speaks volumes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    FalconGirl wrote: »
    The secrecy surrounding this event speaks volumes.

    Attended by the kind of people who think they should own water because it's not a human right.

    http://naturalsociety.com/nestle-ceo-water-not-human-right-should-be-privatized/

    Think about that next time you buy a kit kat..
    Or any of the other thousands of things Nestlé own :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    Is there a Politician Council to asses the influence of these special interest financial industry meetings?

    Like the Medical Council for doctors to assess the influence of drug company meetings?

    Can a Politician be "struck off" like a doctor can? Is there any oversight or assessment body to ensure impartiality?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Essentially they are.

    Capitalism means the freedom to do what you want, setup a small business or set up a massive corporation.

    As for Bilderberg, its increasingly difficult for any small group of people to control anything in the capitalist west.

    That being said, of course the heads of Facebook, Microsoft, Intel, large banks and other corporations are going to have huge power and influence. There's nothing new about that.

    Essentially there is nothing to see here. Rich, powerful, influential capitalists meet. So bloody what.

    Ireland's leaders have always taken on board what the likes Intel, Microsoft, Google etc have to say. Without these companies we'd have nothing as a nation, comely maidens dancing at the crossroads would be the height of it.

    You are probably giving out about these corporations using a laptop made by them, using Google to keep up with the story, and driving a car made by one of these "evil" companies.

    At the end of the say they are just companies trying to make a profit and providing a service.

    Actually no, they are essentially not the same thing, there are fundamental differences. Corporatism is a system where governments interfere with the economy for the benefit of corporations that have aggressively lobbied them. Monopolies/cartels are created with government assistance, competition is stifled, and corporations are often propped up/subsidised with taxpayers money. That is not free market capitalism. Capitalism - the market decides. Corporatism - governments interfere with the market to give advantage to corporations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    Noonan is one of the Slitheen family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    Some amount of nutjobs in this country . You'll find that people who think this meeting is some subversive meeting is to discuss how to keep control of the people are the same nutjobs who believe in chemtrails, fluoride being used to keep the people down, david ickes theories, homeopathy and crystals curing cancer . Some will believe anything they read on the internet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭flutered


    What other Irish people have partaken in the child sacrifice meeting? Michael o'Leary and Mary Robinson are the only ones that come to mind. Did DOB ever get an invite?

    that suds geezer is a regular, he took that young coveny bloke with him either last year or the year before, the pics did not do them justice, coveny did not look too bad, but the other guy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    FalconGirl wrote: »
    The secrecy surrounding this event speaks volumes.

    Well, it is full of lizard people.

    Can't let the public catch wind of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Some amount of nutjobs in this country . You'll find that people who think this meeting is some subversive meeting is to discuss how to keep control of the people are the same nutjobs who believe in chemtrails, fluoride being used to keep the people down, david ickes theories, homeopathy and crystals curing cancer . Some will believe anything they read on the internet.

    So people should not not even be curious about what the finance minister would be getting up to at an event like this? A footnote in the newspapers and no questions at all, is that the way it should be? It is not that long ago when people who said the annual Bilderberg get together even existed would have been called conspiracy nuts. Now even questioning it at all is enough to earn that moniker from some people. Maybe you are content thinking that Michael ''sew up your pockets'' Noonan has the best interests of the people of this country at heart, his previous form would suggest that he doesn't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    I bet all the clever clogs who spent years mocking anyone who mentioned Bilderberg won't actually accept that they were wrong and say sorry to people they mocked for bringing it up. They'll just come out and say things like 'well, it's probably a good thing for Ireland...'

    Calling someone a "conspiracy theorist" is just (not always) a way for people who are uncomfortable with knowing their vote means nothing, to change the subject so they do not have to confront the reality of how his planet is actually run.

    Are you saying people were mocked for suggesting Bilderberg was a real thing? I mean, it's long been quite clear and uncontroversial that there is an actual meeting, so I don't see how anyone gets to say "we told you so" just because Noonan is going this year. (Hasn't Peter Sutherland attended other years?) It's how to interpret what goes on there that's the question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    RGDATA! wrote: »
    Are you saying people were mocked for suggesting Bilderberg was a real thing? I mean, it's long been quite clear and uncontroversial that there is an actual meeting, so I don't see how anyone gets to say "we told you so" just because Noonan is going this year. (Hasn't Peter Sutherland attended other years?) It's how to interpret what goes on there that's the question.

    10 years ago, yes, anyone who suggested that our government ministers were attending private meetings with leaders of large global corporations and the main banking institutions to direct policy on economic, social and immigration platforms in each country, yes you and Jim Corr would be joked at as a theorist about conspiracies.

    Now in 2016, we have elected Ministers going off to these meetings to be told what policy to enact. Who gets the ear of the minister? It is whoever he meets.

    Any minister attending undocumentable and non-transparent policy groups should be removed from government office. Where is the oversight?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I'm still confused why he needs to go to Germany when he can build a bear here.

    I'm even more confused as to why he needs to build a bear in the first place, but high finance is all Greek to me, I can't even figure out how Bertie could do the job without a bank account.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    I'm not a fan of the conspiracy theory mindset where any evidence of conspiracy is taken as gospel and any counter evidence is rejected out of hand but conspiracies do occasionally actually happen its just they normally aren't that nebulous and their motivations are understandable.

    If I told you that some of the most influential figures in a large Western European country were a few decades ago part of a quasi-Masonic Group that commited numerous criminal acts and attempted to influence policy, you would tell me I was a fantasist.

    Thing is its true (the P2 lodge in Italy)

    Yeah. Hence "every theory going". :)

    I agree with you, being curious and skeptical is healthy. What seems to happen far too often though, is people want desperately to buy into an alternative, no matter how ridiculous it may be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    RGDATA! wrote: »
    (Hasn't Peter Sutherland attended other years?)

    Sutherland attends practically every year, he was on the steering committee up until fairly recently. In FG circles that incredibly sinister character Sutherland is bigger than Jesus. Everything is just business to the likes of him, and people are just statistics, they could bring a whole continent to its knees and not loose a wink of sleep over it.


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