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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #5132
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    price690 wrote: »
    Nobody disputes that he won the title. He can call himself world champ for sure. But you simply have to defend it. Likening it to Germany not defending their world cup is just talking nonsense.

    The guy has exited the division and will have for the best part of a year. The title has not been up for grabs in all of that time therefore he shouldn't be allowed to hold onto it. Thats the point. Its not a criticism of him as I know people are sensitive to that in here (as much as people are over the top with their digs at him).

    He seems intent on fighting in the higher weight classes, he is probably a natural 155lber, but they seem intent on leaving the FW belt on him just in case he bombs up there and then they can start marketing him as the best FW in the world again, which he is.

    People getting on their high horse batting away anyone questioning how hes allowed to get away without having to defend his title? This is the fight game, its not soccer ffs. If he doesn't want to defend it then vacate it and leave it to the next best 2 guys in the division.

    There would be no title fights in the UFC if every champ got the McGregor treatment. And IT WILL lead to belts becoming meaningless, just like boxing.

    Again nothing to do with business,so by your reckoning Bisping isnt the champion of the world because he hasnt defended his belt? mind boggling attitude if so.


  • #5133
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Hes currently the 145lb world champion because he beat the ufc featherweight champion (also one of the most dominant champions the sport has ever seen) in a featherweight title fight, winning the championship belt. Therefore he is the ''real'', undisputed featherweight champion of the world, its all quite simple really.


  • #5134
    price690
    Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Again nothing to do with business,so by your reckoning Bisping isnt the champion of the world because he hasnt defended his belt? mind boggling attitude if so.

    What the hell are you on about?

    Bisping is the world champ. If he angles for catchweight fights or wants to go to LHW for the next year though then as reigning champ (with no intention of defending his belt) he should vacate.

    McGregor won the FW title, he beat the man. He won the FW title. A champion must also defend his belt against viable contenders. If he has no interest in doing this for the next year then he should have to step aside and let the next 2 in line fight for the title.

    McGregor should chase the title at 155 or 170 if thats where he wishes to fight. One fight outside of FW is fair enough, he earned if for his exploits. But for the FW champ to go chasing a guy in another weight class once again? if you wanna do that then vacate.

    Imagine Jose Aldo kept pursuing the LW of WW champion before the McGregor fight. People would say how much of a farce it is. Now imagine this went on for the best part of a year, during which time the FW title was not on offer to anyone as the current imcumbent was operating in another division?

    You have your nose out of joint because you think people don't see him as a champion. He beat the best FW in the world in Aldo. But a champion defends his title and McGregor hasn't in a year.

    Using Bisping as an example? He won his title recently. Of course hes the champion. But if he ties up the MW belt for the next year pissing around at LHW then he should be stripped yes, because what are the other guys fighting for then?

    Bisping won't get the same privilege as McGregor though, for him it will be a case of "sh*t of get off the pot".

    Whereas McGregor can sit as long as he wants, Dana will even wipe his hole for him.


  • #5135
    price690
    Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    Depp wrote: »
    Hes currently the 145lb world champion because he beat the ufc featherweight champion (also one of the most dominant champions the sport has ever seen) in a featherweight title fight, winning the championship belt. Therefore he is the ''real'', undisputed featherweight champion of the world, its all quite simple really.

    He beat the FW champ. The record shows and will forever show he won the title.

    How long can you operate outside your weight class before you have to give up that title?


  • #5136
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    jimmii wrote: »
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Its like saying Germany arent the world cup champions because they havent defended it.
    I don't mean in the literal sense,
    I'm not trying to down play winning it , guess im just saying no one remembers the champs fondly that can't defend it,
    Also just to be a smart arse Germany will at least try to defend it,


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  • #5137
    Gamebred
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    price690 wrote: »
    What the hell are you on about?

    Bisping is the world champ. If he angles for catchweight fights or wants to go to LHW for the next year though then as reigning champ (with no intention of defending his belt) he should vacate.

    McGregor won the FW title, he beat the man. He won the FW title. A champion must also defend his belt against viable contenders. If he has no interest in doing this for the next year then he should have to step aside and let the next 2 in line fight for the title.

    McGregor should chase the title at 155 or 170 if thats where he wishes to fight. One fight outside of FW is fair enough, he earned if for his exploits. But for the FW champ to go chasing a guy in another weight class once again? if you wanna do that then vacate.

    Imagine Jose Aldo kept pursuing the LW of WW champion before the McGregor fight. People would say how much of a farce it is. Now imagine this went on for the best part of a year, during which time the FW title was not on offer to anyone as the current imcumbent was operating in another division?

    You have your nose out of joint because you think people don't see him as a champion. He beat the best FW in the world in Aldo. But a champion defends his title and McGregor hasn't in a year.

    Using Bisping as an example? He won his title recently. Of course hes the champion. But if he ties up the MW belt for the next year pissing around at LHW then he should be stripped yes, because what are the other guys fighting for then?

    Bisping won't get the same privilege as McGregor though, for him it will be a case of "sh*t of get off the pot".

    Whereas McGregor can sit as long as he wants, Dana will even wipe his hole for him.


    My Nose is out of joint? really LOL


    We are not even discussing McGregor Jesus Christ,or people vacating divisions the discussion is ANYBODY winning a world title and then not being labeled by certain people (some on here) as not being legit champions.


  • #5138
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Gamebred wrote: »
    price690 wrote: »
    The only reason McGregor has been allowed to hold on to his belt is because he is Conor McGregor and he is a big draw for the company financially. Can totally understand why people think it compromises the integrity of the sport and the FW title. But its understandable from a business standpoint aswell. But it does cheapen the title no matter what anyone says.

    It may be one year (at least) before we see McGregor defend his FW title again, if ever. If he beats Diaz (which I believe he will by unanimous decision) he may decide to vacate his FW title at that stage and concentrate on 155 and beyond.

    Him holding onto the title is an insurance policy for both himself and the UFC no matter what anyone says.

    Im not even talking about McGregor,anyone in any sport who wins a world title fight against the undisputed champion is clearly the champion,some are debating that I think you've the wrong end of the stick,Bisping is the mw world champion how anybody can dispute that is mind boggling.

    Of course he's anyone that wins it is the champion,
    But its nonsense carry on to win a belt and not to defend it in your next two fight and still hold the title,
    No ones degruding him making money and taking the fights he wants but drop the belt while you do it,


  • #5139
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Gamebred wrote: »
    price690 wrote: »
    The only reason McGregor has been allowed to hold on to his belt is because he is Conor McGregor and he is a big draw for the company financially. Can totally understand why people think it compromises the integrity of the sport and the FW title. But its understandable from a business standpoint aswell. But it does cheapen the title no matter what anyone says.

    It may be one year (at least) before we see McGregor defend his FW title again, if ever. If he beats Diaz (which I believe he will by unanimous decision) he may decide to vacate his FW title at that stage and concentrate on 155 and beyond.

    Him holding onto the title is an insurance policy for both himself and the UFC no matter what anyone says.

    Im not even talking about McGregor,anyone in any sport who wins a world title fight against the undisputed champion is clearly the champion,some are debating that I think you've the wrong end of the stick,Bisping is the mw world champion how anybody can dispute that is mind boggling.

    Of course he's anyone that wins it is the champion,
    But its nonsense carry on to win a belt and not to defend it in your next two fight and still hold the title,
    No ones degruding him making money and taking the fights he wants but drop the belt while you do it,


  • #5140
    Gamebred
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Of course he's anyone that wins it is the champion,
    But its nonsense carry on to win a belt and not to defend it in your next two fight and still hold the title,
    No ones degruding him making money and taking the fights he wants but drop the belt while you do it,


    He has stepped up and taken last minute changes of opponents,I think its fair for him to demand a rematch to revenge a loss,again Aldo and Edgar were unavailable or matched in recent months so having won it in december,then he was trying to create history by trying to hold 2 belts,so not sure exactly the problem here you'd swear he's hogging the belt when in reality the previous champion was taking a year between fights.


  • #5141
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,783 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Gamebred wrote: »
    He has stepped up and taken last minute changes of opponents,I think its fair for him to demand a rematch to revenge a loss,again Aldo and Edgar were unavailable or matched in recent months so having won it in december,then he was trying to create history by trying to hold 2 belts,so not sure exactly the problem here you'd swear he's hogging the belt when in reality the previous champion was taking a year between fights.

    Previous champions are injured, not ignoring the division, Previous champ held that belt for 10 years or so


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  • #5142
    weldoninhio
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    He has stepped up and taken last minute changes of opponents,I think its fair for him to demand a rematch to revenge a loss,again Aldo and Edgar were unavailable or matched in recent months so having won it in december,then he was trying to create history by trying to hold 2 belts,so not sure exactly the problem here you'd swear he's hogging the belt when in reality the previous champion was taking a year between fights.

    He was fit and so were Aldo/Edgar for 200. But he demanded Diaz at 170 again. Dana should have said you can have Diaz again, but first you have to defend your title.


  • #5143
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Not denying that,but the ufc doesnt work that way your opinion or mine means absolutely nothing its what the fertittas and Dana think will make money,first fight made 1.8m ppv buys on 12 days build up I personally wanna see him at 155 the Diaz rematch is stupid but if anyone can demand a rematch in the ufc its Conor so I can see why they allowed it.


  • #5144
    newbbieb
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    Reality is Conor took all the risk,taking on a short notice change of opponent.

    Nate hadn't the winning streak or name that Conor had,he had nothing to lose and its not the first time Conor saved a card like this,so its only fair he gets to run it back if he wants to,i think he is owed that much.


  • #5145
    Gamebred
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    newbbieb wrote: »
    Reality is Conor took all the risk,taking on a short notice change of opponent.

    Nate hadn't the winning streak or name that Conor had,he had nothing to lose and its not the first time Conor saved a card like this,so its only fair he gets to run it back if he wants to,i think he is owed that much.


    The cries on here if he sat out after the pull outs and said no im not fighting,he fights stays active and they moan he cant win,just because a few fans want him defending a belt on an internet forum yet all will 100% tune into the Diaz fight thus voting with their feet on that type of match making.


  • #5146
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Not denying that,but the ufc doesnt work that way your opinion or mine means absolutely nothing its what the fertittas and Dana think will make money,first fight made 1.8m ppv buys on 12 days build up I personally wanna see him at 155 the Diaz rematch is stupid but if anyone can demand a rematch in the ufc its Conor so I can see why they allowed it.

    Then you can see how it devalues the belt. If certain people, be it McGregor or Ronda or Khabib decide they want to fight at other weights while uninjured and not bother defending, then it blocks up the division. If McGregor gets injured after 202 it could be 2 years without a defence.


  • #5147
    Gamebred
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Then you can see how it devalues the belt. If certain people, be it McGregor or Ronda or Khabib decide they want to fight at other weights while uninjured and not bother defending, then it blocks up the division. If McGregor gets injured after 202 it could be 2 years without a defence.


    I dont really care about the belts to be honest (plenty of fighters dont either and the ones that do only value the financial trappings of them) they are devalued when you have the ufc handing out interims like its nothing,genuinely interested in seeing the 2nd and 3rd best in the world at 145 fight it out for a chance to fight McGregor,

    Say he defends it against the winner in November thats within a year and he gave us 2 entertaining exhibition fights against Diaz so its not too bad.


  • #5148
    mailburner
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Of course he's anyone that wins it is the champion,
    But its nonsense carry on to win a belt and not to defend it in your next two fight and still hold the title,
    No ones degruding him making money and taking the fights he wants but drop the belt while you do it,

    that's how I see it
    it's not right that he can hold up the fw division for such a long period when the likes of edgar gets royally screwed fighting for the interim belt
    Now if he were to fight diaz once and then go back and defend his belt then that I would have no problem with but to fight twice is something thats just wrong but money talks as ever


  • #5149
    jcd5971
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    mailburner wrote:
    that's how I see it it's not right that he can hold up the fw division for such a long period when the likes of edgar gets royally screwed fighting for the interim belt Now if he were to fight diaz once and then go back and defend his belt then that I would have no problem with but to fight twice is something thats just wrong but money talks as ever

    It's not really held up that much, he won in December, frankie deserves a shot with his run, Aldo deserves a shot with been champ 10 years a decider makes sense, frees mcgregor for Diaz 2.

    And probably around November December again for FW title, it's a while I'll grant you but not too mental


  • #5150
    mailburner
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    jcd5971 wrote: »
    It's not really held up that much, he won in December, frankie deserves a shot with his run, Aldo deserves a shot with been champ 10 years a decider makes sense, frees mcgregor for Diaz 2.

    And probably around November December again for FW title, it's a while I'll grant you but not too mental

    when you put it like that it doesnt sound so bad
    sometimes you just lose track of time (I do anyway)


  • #5151
    Mellor
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    price690 wrote: »
    The guy has exited the division and will have for the best part of a year. The title has not been up for grabs in all of that time therefore he shouldn't be allowed to hold onto it.
    It's been 6 months.
    Sure, the belt hasn't been up for grabs in that time. But 6 months is an entirely normal length of time between title fights. Maybe in the future you're complaints will have substance, right now they don't.

    FWIW
    Cormier has defended his belt since October, Joanna since November, an RDA since December (the week after Conor). But nobody complains about the layoffs.
    price690 wrote: »
    How long can you operate outside your weight class before you have to give up that title?
    Anderson Silva had a gap 1 day short of year between Chael Sonnen and Chris Weidman. In that time, he fought Bonnar at LHW. Nobody cared.
    He also had about a year between Leites and Maia when he fought Griffin at LHW, again nobody cared.


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  • #5152
    sonofenoch
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    Everyone forgets he offered Aldo and Edgar a fight in March


  • #5153
    Swashbuckler
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    sonofenoch wrote:
    Everyone forgets he offered Aldo and Edgar a fight in March


    Let's not have this debate again. He didn't offer at 145 title shot


  • #5154
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,379 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    sonofenoch wrote: »
    Everyone forgets he offered Aldo and Edgar a fight in March
    I don't think anyone forgets that. They were offered fights at 155. Neither was fit.
    There was no way Conor could make 145 on that kind of notice, nor should anyone expect him too.


  • #5155
    dave1982
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    Think point people are making about him not defending is that he's in a different division healthy and ready to fight, while 2 others fight for an interm belt that conor has to go back and unify. I no issue with it I admire him actually going up weight getting beat and wanting to avenge it. If he dropped back down to 145 with attempting to rematch people be saying he's scared wants to fight people smaller than him... It's a no win really whatever he does


  • #5156
    jcd5971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭jcd5971


    dave1982 wrote:
    Think point people are making about him not defending is that he's in a different division healthy and ready to fight, while 2 others fight for an interm belt that conor has to go back and unify. I no issue with it I admire him actually going up weight getting beat and wanting to avenge it. If he dropped back down to 145 with attempting to rematch people be saying he's scared wants to fight people smaller than him... It's a no win really whatever he does


    A year is not excessive in ufc, and it'd on course for around a December title defense I'd imagine.

    Maybe sooner, Conor does like to fight regularly, more so than Aldo did anyway.

    But that's dependant on factors like suspensions etc from his Diaz fight, and even frankly v Aldo.

    So I'd wager a December title fight


  • #5157
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    think about in terms of the 170 division, equivalent there to the aldo-edgar fight is macdonald-wonderboy, could easily be for an interim belt, and robbie is off fighting someone who doesnt deserve a title shot imo. Personally I'd rather see conor in a fight with a bit of backstory to it thathas some meaning than against some challenger who hasnt earned it yet, this 'interim' fiht is just a no.1 contender fight giving the two boys something shiny to play with so theydont whinge too much!


  • #5158
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    jcd5971 wrote: »
    So I'd wager a December title fight

    I would say barring any sort of medical suspension, Conor will fight Edgar/Aldo at 205.

    Can't see UFC not pulling out all stops to get him on that New York card.

    Granted the following was said before 202 was announced and 200 was still up in the air but John Kavanagh at the time said:
    "As an Irish guy in New York, the first card in Madison Square Garden, I think Conor would show up anyway and fight someone in a changing room if [White] doesn't put him on the card. We have to be put on the New York card."


  • #5159
    kumate_champ07
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    he looks slimmer in recent photos, I think he'll weigh in at 160 for Diaz rematch. quicker movement and quicker cut to 145 afterwards, weighing in at 170 offers no benefit against Diaz


  • #5160
    Mellor
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    kumate_champ07 wrote: »
    weighing in at 170 offers no benefit against Diaz
    Not giving away extra weight is a pretty clear advantage of being 170lbs.
    Can't see a scenerio where 160lbs is the best option


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  • #5161
    kumate_champ07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    just because 170 is the limit doesnt mean you have to weigh in close to it,

    some heavyweights are around 220, some 240, only a few come in at 260

    if you rely on quick snappy movements why make yourself heavier than you need to be?


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