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Why don't women follow women's sports?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    seamus wrote:
    I'm pretty sure women watch men's sports for exactly the same reasons that men do. And a large part of it comes down to the fact that men's sports take the lion's share of the advertising and funding in a continuous feedback loop that means that men's sport is better resourced than women's.

    That's not it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Women like men's sports for the same reason men do - a loada youngfellas runnin around in shorts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭CloudCumulus


    In fairness I watch a lot of men's sports and never any women's. I think I would if they were broadcast as readily as the men's, but they're not.
    It's not solely based on lads running around in shorts, I don't really watch that much soccer. There's no shorts involved in golf and snooker, thsnk god.
    But finding a player attractive adds an impetus for me to support them. Maybe I'm just shallow!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Im a big fan of the LFL myself :D

    (lingerie football league)


  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gimmick wrote: »
    Most women don't like sports and those that pretend to do only so they can bag a man.

    What women have you been hanging with? I have not met them.

    In my experience - in my circles - which I would not presume to extrapolate like you have - the men around me love watching sports but hardly ever play them. The women I know spend a lot of time playing them but hardly ever watch them.

    Perhaps the message is - given that our sex has more of a penchant for things like porn - we enjoy watching more than engaging? :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    What women have you been hanging with? I have not met them.

    In my experience - in my circles - which I would not presume to extrapolate like you have - the men around me love watching sports but hardly ever play them. The women I know spend a lot of time playing them but hardly ever watch them.

    Perhaps the message is - given that our sex has more of a penchant for things like porn - we enjoy watching more than engaging? :)


    What women have you been hanging out with? I wouldn't presume to extrapolate like you have, but in my experience, in my circles, the women I hang out with enjoy porn, and sports, just as much as I do.

    Perhaps that's why we're such good friends, we have a lot in common :D


  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah maybe the statistics on porn would support me more than the stats on sport support the other user. But I would be _very_ happy to be corrected otherwise :) _please_ correct me on this :)

    But - I hope you will notice - my own extrapolation had a smiley at the end. I only wish HIS did.

    As to OUR common ground - it does make me laugh sometimes :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    What women have you been hanging out with? I wouldn't presume to extrapolate like you have, but in my experience, in my circles, the women I hang out with enjoy porn, and sports, just as much as I do.

    Perhaps that's why we're such good friends, we have a lot in common :D
    Please, for the love of god don't get him started.


  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Please, for the love of god don't get him started.

    Started? He has been making my point for me so well - I feel I could retire :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Started? He has been making my point for me so well - I feel I could retire :p


    What was your point that you think I was making for you? You appeared to be saying that the men in your circles enjoy watching sports, but hardly ever play them, while the women you know spend a lot of time playing them than watching them. Then you went on to posit that "given our sex (men) have more of a penchant for things like porn - we enjoy watching more than engaging?"

    I think it is about time to retire when you start offering generalisations that are as strange as the stereotypes offered in the opening post.


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  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think it is about time to retire when you start offering generalisations

    But I didn't :)

    Not once.

    What I offered was a statistic from which someone could make a "better" generalization.

    But I never - not once ever not even if you wanted to get bored and even think about it - offered one of my own :)

    "do keep up"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Well I have to admit the amount of sports I'd spectate at is limited.

    I don't watch any ball games, so GAA, soccer & rugby is out for me.

    I follow (mostly) combat sports, and coach Judo.

    I much prefer to watch women fight than men, I prefer to coach a woman too ~ they're easier, they don't pretend they already know how to fight without coaching and when they do learn they're fecking tenacious.

    When women fight its almost entirely technical and very aggressive.

    Give me a woman to train to fight over most men, and they're usually spectacular to watch.

    My other sport (I don't compete) would be cycling, tbh I've no idea why I don't watch women cycling events ~ maybe they're not televised as much.

    My missus is having her first fight tomorrow evening. I thought she'd be a pain to coach but she has committed herself totally and is soaking up things like a sponge. I know for a fact now if she keeps it up she'll fight to a higher level than me. In her show tomorrow as well I know for a fact her's will be one of the most engaging and technical.

    Women fighters seem to switch off more and act in a much more methodological fashion in the ring, would watch them all day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    FTA69 wrote: »
    My missus is having her first fight tomorrow evening. I thought she'd be a pain to coach but she has committed herself totally and is soaking up things like a sponge. I know for a fact now if she keeps it up she'll fight to a higher level than me. In her show tomorrow as well I know for a fact her's will be one of the most engaging and technical.

    Women fighters seem to switch off more and act in a much more methodological fashion in the ring, would watch them all day.

    Don't know if you're referring to boxing or not, but anybody who watched Kellie Harrington at the world championships last month will understand just how great women's boxing is to watch and how it has come on leaps and bounds in a short space of time. She is as adept and skillful as most male amateur boxers I have seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,019 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Those were due to the womens final containing an American hero in Serena Williams with a largely American viewing audience. The Mens 2014 final also contained two largely unknown (to irregular viewers) foreign players in Nishikori & Cilic, which affected figures. Womens Tennis isn't anywhere near as popular as Mens generally, by any metric


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭Juan8


    When I saw this thread I just thought of this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdIpdGS9m1g

    Could you blame them for laughing if we're honest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    I follow quite a few sports, but athletics is my lifelong #1 - even went to a Diamond League meeting (in Eugene, Oregon) on my honeymoon! It's quite balanced overall gender-wise in terms of coverage.

    I also went to the women's FA Cup final last year - full lower tier at Wembley, good craic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    What I offered was a statistic from which someone could make a "better" generalization.

    But I never - not once ever not even if you wanted to get bored and even think about it - offered one of my own :)


    What statistic did you offer?

    This is the generalisation I was referring to:

    Perhaps the message is - given that our sex has more of a penchant for things like porn - we enjoy watching more than engaging? :)


    That might be a given to you, but I wouldn't take it as a given, which is why to me it appears to be based on stereotypes rather than statistics. You haven't offered any statistics, you've only offered an opinion based upon your own circles of friends?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    Those were due to the womens final containing an American hero in Serena Williams with a largely American viewing audience. The Mens 2014 final also contained two largely unknown (to irregular viewers) foreign players in Nishikori & Cilic, which affected figures. Womens Tennis isn't anywhere near as popular as Mens generally, by any metric
    Regardless, the gap in popularity between mens' and womens' tennis is far less than you see in football.

    Why is that? A major reason is playing both competitions (men and women) at the major Grand Slams (Aus/Fre/Wim/US) at the same time. I guarantee you'd see a similar upsurge in popularity in the womens game if the same happened at this years Euros in France.


  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Then you went on to posit that "given our sex

    You are almost there. You might get it yet :)

    That sentence was offered up as a CONTRAST to the guy who said "Most women don't like sports and those that pretend to do only so they can bag a man."

    The point was to make a JOKE about how "our sex" spends more time watching sport than playing it.

    That it went over your head was a given from the start :) But I hope you appreciate the joke now :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,442 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Regardless, the gap in popularity between mens' and womens' tennis is far less than you see in football.

    Why is that? A major reason is playing both competitions (men and women) at the major Grand Slams (Aus/Fre/Wim/US) at the same time. I guarantee you'd see a similar upsurge in popularity in the womens game if the same happened at this years Euros in France.

    Great point. You could have the women's final the day before the men's. I could see that idea working. It would be better then watching a men's 3rd/4th placed play off and the neutrals might go for the craic

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    Cos they're shiote


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Actually almost all the biggest ppv buys of all time are heavyweight fights bar Floyd.
    Permabear wrote: »
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    If that's the case you must not watch much football.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭Juan8


    Permabear wrote: »
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    4 Floyd fights, 5 Heavyweight fights, how isn't it true?

    And if there were some actual good heavyweights around these days I'm sure there'd be more fights in that top 10.

    And just because a game is 4-3 doesn't make it one of the best games ever, you're entitled to your opinion fair enough, but I watched the highlights there and the quality was poor enough,

    If you think that game is one of the best ever with that quality of defending you obviously don't watch much football, if the defending for the 2nd goal happened in the semis of a men's tournament I'd just shake my head in disbelief, never mind some of the defending for the others


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    I really like the Invicta MMA. When I could commit to staying up until 6am on a Saturday/Sunday night I watched a lot of MMA. I don't know if McGregor had just signed or was just not considered ranked at the time. He was definitely starting at the bottom of the UFC.

    The women's MMA was really interesting though. A totally different take on the top 10 UFC, and the lower end of the UFC. There was much better matchmaking, not always perfect but the fights were more likley to be competitive. There were a few one sided ones but generally there was some balance between the women. The competitors were of course nowhere near as skilled as the UFC top ten, which is to be expected. I enjoyed it a lot more than an average UFC night though.

    Similarly, North America has had their first professional rugby competition running this year. There is a mixture of both amazing and awful. I've seen people fall off the simplest of tackles, and the next person, and another before the runner cruises in for a try. And I've seen the most intricate, passing backs moves result in huge gains on the pitch. I haven't watched many games, but the few I have have been really enjoyable.

    Maybe I just have a thing for lower level sport. Sometimes you see an amazing football time like Barcelona play, and I use a football term here, they play like pure poetry. What they do is absolute joy to watch. The level of skill, and control, not just personal control, or team control, but control over the entire game even when they're playing a difficult opponent is like watching the most well oiled intelligent, emotional machine. There's nothing like it. But if I tune into two weeks of the Champions League the chances of finding a game I really enjoy, without any dedication to a particular team is low. If I tune into Invicta, or the American rugby, I'll find something charming about it.

    I think a lot of sport is theoreticised, and intellectualised, where everything is calculated to cancel every opposing thing out it's not enjoyable to watch. Sometimes you get superb moments where brilliance breaks through. Often not though. I think the lower level sports can be a lot more interesting to watch, as someone who just likes watching sports.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    I witnessed the whole of Houston Station coming to a standstill to watch one of her fights they had on TV one afternoon a few years ago

    Sheep mentality. Most wouldn't know a box if it hit them in the face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I witnessed the whole of Houston Station coming to a standstill to watch one of her fights they had on TV one afternoon a few years ago

    Never knew she was so popular in Texas.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Isn't the real question here why men watch men's sports?

    Personally, I like watching football. It's 22 men running around in shorts, some of them quote handsome, and all of them with nice bodies. Brilliant entertainment.

    I never understood what straight men would get out of it, though.


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